NationStates Jolt Archive

"A nation that kills its own children is a nation without hope."
--Pope John Paul II

"It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish."
-- Mother Teresa

"I am dedicated to spending the rest of my life undoing the law that bears my name. I would like nothing more than to have this law overturned."
--Norma L. McCorvey ("Jane Roe" of Roe v. Wade)

"When we consider that women are treated as property, it is degrading to women that we should treat our children as property to be disposed of as we see fit."
-- Elizabeth Cady Stanton

"After tens of millions of [abortion] 'procedures,' has America lost anything? Another Edison, perhaps? A Gershwin? A Babe Ruth? A Duke Ellington? . . . As it is, we will never know what abortion has cost us all."
-- Joseph Sobran, Editorial Columnist

"Abortion is about many, many things, but first and foremost it represents the exercise of power by the strong over and against the weak. If we step back, we see that abortion represents a profound failure of moral obligation and moral imagination.

The unborn’s right to life depends, not on the kindness of strangers, but rather on what is owed to him/her by their own family. Too often, out of sight means out of mind, a potentially lethal failure of moral imagination and human empathy."
--Father Pavone (Priests For Life)

I hope all you "pro-choice" people take a good look at some of those quotes. Some of the greatest minds are against abortion, which is genocide. Even Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony, two of the greatest womens rights activists, were super opposed to abortion. Abortion is a national disgrace. Liberals claim to put childrens rights first but they support child murder and infanticide so they obviously have no respect for life. Abortion is murder that has to be stopped.

Took a damn good look, and I must say...these quotes were based on no facts.

Especially the one that said that we might've lost another Einstein. You know that Hitler's mother contemplated abortion after discovering she was pregneant with Adolf?

And besides, I'm not telling a women to abort her child because I want her to. I'm giving them a choice to do it if they want to. Geez, since when did I kill children and strip them of their rights by giving their mothers a choice?

An embryo has no rights. Rights do not pertain to a potential, only to an actual being. A child cannot acquire any rights until it is born. The living take precedence over the not-yet-living (or the unborn).
— Ayn Rand

Here's one for you-

"Killing an unborn child is wrong, but shooting dead innocent people outside abortion clinics is A-OK!"

"I don't give a rat's ass what other people think about abortion."

~Me

If the time machine is ever developed, I think it would be ironic if someone went back and convinced every pro-choicer's mother to get an abortion.

Actually, I like the one about losing an Einstein or Edison. We can't know what they could have achieved if they had lived. And if they turn out like Hitler, THEN we can kill them.

On second thought, we all die anyway, right? We might as well abort all children and then commit mass suicide to speed up the process.

Here, I'll start. Goodbye.

"Zygotes and embryones are not children!"
--Me

An embryo has no rights. Rights do not pertain to a potential, only to an actual being. A child cannot acquire any rights until it is born. The living take precedence over the not-yet-living (or the unborn).
— Ayn Rand

Ayn Rand was a heartless bitch and you know that :p

The aborton debate is long winded and gets no where so I'm going to be happy with just flaming Ayn Rand for being a heartless bitch.

"I don't give a rat's ass what other people think about abortion."

~Me
Ahh, c'mon...you stole my idea!

Ahh, c'mon...you stole my idea!

That's because I'm so awesome.

"I'm against abortion, but for killing babies. That way everyone loses, and I win. I'm neither pro choice, nor pro life; I'm pro you-shutting-the-hell-up."
- Maddox

"I'm against abortion, but for killing babies. That way everyone loses, and I win. I'm neither pro choice, nor pro life; I'm pro you-shutting-the-hell-up."
- Maddox
That has to be one of the best quotes I've ever heard.

You've posted pretty much the same stuff before, Commando2. You're not going to make your opinion more palatable by giving us a few quotes by famous people who share your views.

That has to be one of the best quotes I've ever heard.
Maddox is a genius

Ayn Rand was a heartless bitch and you know that :p

The aborton debate is long winded and gets no where so I'm going to be happy with just flaming Ayn Rand for being a heartless bitch.

Ayn Rand isn't heartless, she's just delusional in her fantasy world belief that all it takes to get ahead in life is hard work, but that's a tune from another opera.

If the time machine is ever developed, I think it would be ironic if someone went back and convinced every pro-choicer's mother to get an abortion.

Actually, I like the one about losing an Einstein or Edison. We can't know what they could have achieved if they had lived. And if they turn out like Hitler, THEN we can kill them.

On second thought, we all die anyway, right? We might as well abort all children and then commit mass suicide to speed up the process.

Here, I'll start. Goodbye.

Ironic maybe, but also paradox-creating.

"After tens of millions of [abortion] 'procedures,' has America lost anything? Another Edison, perhaps? A Gershwin? A Babe Ruth? A Duke Ellington? . . . As it is, we will never know what abortion has cost us all."
-- Joseph Sobran, Editorial Columnist
another Hiter? Stalin? Jack the Ripper? the world may never know

Ayn Rand isn't heartless, she's just delusional in her fantasy world belief that all it takes to get ahead in life is hard work, but that's a tune from another opera.

hardwork, and luck. Pretty much all it takes circa USA 2005.

If the time machine is ever developed, I think it would be ironic if someone went back and convinced every pro-choicer's mother to get an abortion.
"If the time machine is ever developed, I think it would be ironic if someone went back and convinced the mothers of all preventing people to prevent too."
Guess prevention is an evil thing too, then?
Also I love the Einstein/Hitler-argument. We just kill them if they should become assholes. I mean, why not, at least it doesn't took so much effort to kill Hitler. :rolleyes:

On second thought, we all die anyway, right? We might as well abort all children and then commit mass suicide to speed up the process.
You are free to make the first step, I guess.^^

"One method of destroying a concept is by diluting its meaning. Observe that by ascribing rights to the unborn, i.e., the nonliving, the anti-abortionists obliterate the rights of the living: the right of young people to set the course of their own lives."

— Ayn Rand ["A Last Survey — Part I", The Ayn Rand Letter Vol. IV, No. 2, 1975.]



"A man who takes it upon himself to prescribe how others should dispose of their own lives - and who seeks to condemn them by law, i.e., by force, to the drudgery of an unchosen, lifelong servitude (which, more often than not, is beyond their economic means or capacity) - such a man has no right to pose as a defender of rights. A man with so little concern or respect for the rights of the individual, cannot and will not be a champion of freedom or of capitalism. (For a full discussion of the issue of birth control, see my article "Of Living Death.")"

— Ayn Rand


"Responsible parenthood involves decades devoted to the child's proper nurture. To sentence a woman to bear a child against her will is an unspeakable violation of her rights: her right to liberty (to the functions of her body), her right to the pursuit of happiness, and, sometimes, her right to life itself, even as a serf. Such a sentence represents the sacrifice of the actual to the potential, of a real human being to a piece of protoplasm, which has no life in the human sense of the term. It is sheer perversion of language for people who demand this sacrifice to call themselves 'right-to-lifers.' "

— Leonard Peikoff (Objectivism, in the Chapter on Government)

Commando2, as much as I don't like abortion (exceptions being rape, and the pregnancy threatens the mother's life) and don't want it to occur, we're kinda in a catch-22 situation here:

1) Abortion is illegal: Unsafe back-alley abortion clinics pop up; abortion still occurs
2) Abortion is legal: Abortion occurs, which is something we don't want . . .

Screwey, yes? :(

I hope all you "pro-choice" people take a good look at some of those quotes. Some of the greatest minds are against abortion, which is genocide. Even Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony, two of the greatest womens rights activists, were super opposed to abortion. Abortion is a national disgrace. Liberals claim to put childrens rights first but they support child murder and infanticide so they obviously have no respect for life. Abortion is murder that has to be stopped.
Commando2 I understand that you feel passionately about this issue. But you must understand why we pro-choice people hold our opinions as we do. There is a fundamental difference of perception. Pro-lifers see foetuses as proper living humans before they are born. Based upon this assumption, of course abotion is murder. But pro-choicers believe that a foetus is just that, a clump of cells that is not alive until a few weeks before birth. Based upon this assumption, abortion is not murder.

Ahaha, you fail to see that my entire post was a joke, then?

Except for the part about me wanting to commit suicide, of course. I've put a lot of thought into it. I'm thinking that a quick gunshot to the temples would be the best. Dramatic, too. I guess hanging, when done properly, isn't too painful and is also sufficiently dramatic, especially when they find your dead hanging body. Slitting my wrists I've always thought of as too painful, but if I did it in front of the right people, it could be dramatic enough.

Ahaha, you fail to see that my entire post was a joke, then?
You have to mark it a joke then, because there are so many different people in this forum that one doesn't know who he has to take serious and who not.

pfff

Small explosive charges on arterial points, and one at the top of your spine.

Uber messy, painless to an extent :P

Abortion is your friend !!!

Should I keep my sperm in a jar and treat it humanely?

You have to mark it a joke then, because there are so many different people in this forum that one doesn't know who he has to take serious and who not.

I usually assume that how absurd I make my posts pretty much tells people it's a joke.

There are actually people that absurd and SERIOUS around here?

Ahaha, you fail to see that my entire post was a joke, then?

Except for the part about me wanting to commit suicide, of course. I've put a lot of thought into it. I'm thinking that a quick gunshot to the temples would be the best. Dramatic, too. I guess hanging, when done properly, isn't too painful and is also sufficiently dramatic, especially when they find your dead hanging body. Slitting my wrists I've always thought of as too painful, but if I did it in front of the right people, it could be dramatic enough.

Unfortunately shooting yourself in the head won't always kill you. The most dramatic method is to take a head first dive off a good and tall skyscraper of some sort if you can manage to get on the roof. You are guaranteed death and you're guaranteed to be on the news.

Oh, and on a lighter note, this is my favourite pro-life quote:
Have you ever noticed that most pro-choice people were never aborted themselves?

(ok, that's from memory so it's probably paraphrasing)

pfff

Small explosive charges on arterial points, and one at the top of your spine.

Uber messy, painless to an extent :P

That's sweet! I never thought of that. I'd do it in a really crowded place, and it wouldn't kill anyone else, but it would be REALLY messy.

Wow, that's so cool, I can see it now.

That's sweet! I never thought of that. I'd do it in a really crowded place, and it wouldn't kill anyone else, but it would be REALLY messy.

Wow, that's so cool, I can see it now.

Disturbing Fact of the Day:

That took me all of 7 seconds to think up. ;)

Unfortunately shooting yourself in the head won't always kill you. The most dramatic method is to take a head first dive off a good and tall skyscraper of some sort if you can manage to get on the roof. You are guaranteed death and you're guaranteed to be on the news.

I know, but I think if you do it right, you've got a pretty good chance. Jumping off a building sounds painful, but I'd probably have enough time to make peace with God while I fall. (Suicide being a sin, and that being almost the only thing that's prevented me from doing it)

Pro-lifers see foetuses as proper living humans before they are born. Based upon this assumption, of course abotion is murder. But pro-choicers believe that a foetus is just that, a clump of cells that is not alive until a few weeks before birth. Based upon this assumption, abortion is not murder.
The thing you seem to be missing is that until it fulfills all the requirements for an organism, it is not a human in the typical sense. It has the genotype of a human, but not sufficient phenotype. Pro-lifers seem to think of it as a belief, but they are contradicted by cold, hard, biological fact.

Except for the part about me wanting to commit suicide, of course. I've put a lot of thought into it. I'm thinking that a quick gunshot to the temples would be the best. Dramatic, too. I guess hanging, when done properly, isn't too painful and is also sufficiently dramatic, especially when they find your dead hanging body. Slitting my wrists I've always thought of as too painful, but if I did it in front of the right people, it could be dramatic enough.
Well, I wouldn't advise suicide. But, I just have to say that the only real classy way to go out is by slitting your wrists. Hanging is melodramatic and mutilates your neck. Shooting yourself is just disgusting. Poison wouldn't be too bad. OD'ing on a recreational drug could be the most pleasant. After that old male pornstar who said that the woman who could fuck him to death with nothing besides copulation would get a lot of money. That's probably the most pleasant of all.

But, I still uphold that, if you want to kill yourself with style, slit your wrists.

Oh, and on a lighter note, this is my favourite pro-life quote:


(ok, that's from memory so it's probably paraphrasing)
thats because they support the choice of a person to have an abortion, they dont support giving every woman an abortion. there is a difference if anyone thinks they can pick it out. its like wheres waldo...but the whole page is waldo's fucking face..

I know, but I think if you do it right, you've got a pretty good chance. Jumping off a building sounds painful, but I'd probably have enough time to make peace with God while I fall. (Suicide being a sin, and that being almost the only thing that's prevented me from doing it)

Ah the trick is to inject your neck/head/upper chest with an extremely effective and fast acting local anaesthetic just before you jump so that by the time you hit the ground, you feel nothing at all. ;)

Oh, and on a lighter note, this is my favourite pro-life quote:

(ok, that's from memory so it's probably paraphrasing)
Pathetic quote. Note that we're pro-choice, not pro-abortion.

(Suicide being a sin, and that being almost the only thing that's prevented me from doing it)
Have you considered seeking out the skills of a psychologist or psychiatrist? As entertaining as this discussion is, the human mind is a very delicate entity.

"A nation that kills its own children is a nation without hope."
--Pope John Paul II


Because if the priests don't get their altar boys, they'll get uppity.


"It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish."
-- Mother Teresa



But it's okay for a psychotic nun who thinks hat suffering is a holy act to divert funds that would go to FEEDING PEOPLE to try to STOP birth CONTROL, and to build churches instead of trying to help people develop a livelyhood.



"I am dedicated to spending the rest of my life undoing the law that bears my name. I would like nothing more than to have this law overturned."
--Norma L. McCorvey ("Jane Roe" of Roe v. Wade)


Hitler started off as an artist, ended up, well, Hitler.


"When we consider that women are treated as property, it is degrading to women that we should treat our children as property to be disposed of as we see fit."
-- Elizabeth Cady Stanton


Always good to know that a woman is its fetus's property rather than her own.


"After tens of millions of [abortion] 'procedures,' has America lost anything? Another Edison, perhaps? A Gershwin? A Babe Ruth? A Duke Ellington? . . . As it is, we will never know what abortion has cost us all."
-- Joseph Sobran, Editorial Columnist



Another Dubya...



"Abortion is about many, many things, but first and foremost it represents the exercise of power by the strong over and against the weak. If we step back, we see that abortion represents a profound failure of moral obligation and moral imagination.

The unborn’s right to life depends, not on the kindness of strangers, but rather on what is owed to him/her by their own family. Too often, out of sight means out of mind, a potentially lethal failure of moral imagination and human empathy."
--Father Pavone (Priests For Life)


Isn't the Bible entirely about the ultimate power beating up on weaklings that it created whose lives it can snuff out as it wills?


I hope all you "pro-choice" people take a good look at some of those quotes. Some of the greatest minds are against abortion, which is genocide. Even Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony, two of the greatest womens rights activists, were super opposed to abortion. Abortion is a national disgrace. Liberals claim to put childrens rights first but they support child murder and infanticide so they obviously have no respect for life. Abortion is murder that has to be stopped.

Greatest minds? A bunch of people who believe in magic and the holiness of suffering?

No, War is a murder that has to be stopped, abortion is the removal of unwelcome tissue.

Ah the trick is to inject your neck/head/upper chest with an extremely effective and fast acting local anaesthetic just before you jump so that by the time you hit the ground, you feel nothing at all. ;)

Cocaine!

Hey, here's an idea, I'll inject enough cocaine into those places to possibly OD, then jump off a building while holding a gun to my head with one hand and one of those detonators to the explosives that blow up when you release them with the other.

I never wanted to do it with poison because that seemed a bit TOO easy.

look at my terrorist :mp5: this is wat your rightless embryos have wen u abort them so u suck would u like 2 goto a country with no rights and get aborted neither would babies

Cocaine!

Hey, here's an idea, I'll inject enough cocaine into those places to possibly OD, then jump off a building while holding a gun to my head with one hand and one of those detonators to the explosives that blow up when you release them with the other.

I never wanted to do it with poison because that seemed a bit TOO easy.

Ah what you would need to do then though is jump off the building and then blow yourself up about 5-10 feet above the ground for a really messy airburst effect and forget about hitting the ground at all.

Have you considered seeking out the skills of a psychologist or psychiatrist? As entertaining as this discussion is, the human mind is a very delicate entity.

I have one thanks.

Someone may think abortion is wrong, but they can't deny that only one person is effected in a suicide.

People who are pro-choice should be for suicide too, come to think of it.

"The most dramatic method is to take a head first dive off a good and tall skyscraper of some sort if you can manage to get on the roof. You are guaranteed death and you're guaranteed to be on the news."

At the Empire State Building's observation deck, there's a huge fence with spikes at the top.

Hasn't stopped some people. If you go at night, there's almost no one there to pull you down.


And this (http://www.wcla.org/articles/procon.html) website explains many of the Pro-Choice arguments.

Oh, I'm Pro-Choice, Pro-Death Penalty, Pro-Assisted Suicide, and I'm all for it if someone wants to kill himself.

look at my terrorist :mp5: this is wat your rightless embryos have wen u abort them so u suck would u like 2 goto a country with no rights and get aborted neither would babies

They have... machine guns?

Good lord, we need to stop these embryos NOW!

Abort, abort, code red, fetuses with guns! Aieee!

And this (http://www.wcla.org/articles/procon.html) website explains many of the Pro-Choice arguments.

Oh, I'm Pro-Choice, Pro-Death Penalty, Pro-Assisted Suicide, and I'm all for it if someone wants to kill himself.

Hoorah! And good website.

"When we consider that women are treated as property, it is degrading to women that we should treat our children as property to be disposed of as we see fit."
-- Elizabeth Cady Stanton


I may be wrong, but wasn't she referring to child labor, not abortion? It's just I thought that was more what she was into.

DISCLAIMER: I do not support suicide, and committing such an act will probably get you a front row torture bed in the sixth level of hell....

The best way to commit suicide would be to head up to a ledge of a really tall building, and shoot yourself in the head in such a way that your body would fall from the ledge. Detectives would be baffled, especially if it was a crowded observation deck, and you did it quickly.

Oh yeah, and don't abort.

Should I keep my sperm in a jar and treat it humanely?

This gave me on odd thought. Am I committing murder every time I masturbate? I mean, each one of those sperm was a potential life.

Hiya. I'm a new poster here, so I thought I'd wade in at the deep-end. Please don't flame me horribly!
The question, I believe, is at what point a life becomes a life. It has to be before birth because a baby is fully formed before it is given birth to. Perhaps abortion should be illegal after the first possible point at which an embryo becomes viable; I.E, if it were to be born, it could survive. However, it's more complicated than that; at what point does a cluster of cells stop being a an amoeba farm* and start being a person?
We can't rely on neurological quantification, simply because it's not advanced enough, and an embryo develops alpha-wave patterns at about thirty days, I believe, well before developing any real, recogniseably human, neurology
Again, complex biology is not our saviour here, added to which definitions of life basd on biology alone can lead to dangerously pro-eugenics definitions. Personally, I regard abortion as unfortunate. Maybe as science advances, we will ebcmoe capable of pinning down exactly the point at which cell becomes animal and animal becomes sentient being. I doubt it. The words themselves are so nebulous and vague as to be useless: Is an an amoeba a cell or an animal? Is a chimpanzee an animal or a sentient?
Until we can resolve even these simple questions, I believe we should err on the side of caution when it comes to abortion.
Or even better, how about creating an environment where abortion is less necessary, where every child can be sure of the chance to lead a rich and full life?
It's a nice dream.
Sam B
*I know, I know, embryronic cells aren't amoebae. It's just a poetic turn of phrase.

They have... machine guns?

Good lord, we need to stop these embryos NOW!

Abort, abort, code red, fetuses with guns! Aieee!


yes b-cuz fetuses are in rap videos
come to think of it women should give birth at eminems recording studio :p

This gave me on odd thought. Am I committing murder every time I masturbate? I mean, each one of those sperm was a potential life.

Genocide every time...

Does the geneve convention apply to them if you keep them and treat them well?

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1) Welcome. Hope you have fun here.

2) Yes, that's a fairly sane middle-area. I myself prefer that method, though I'm still not in to the idea of applying a lack of choice. As they say, pro-choice isn't pro-abortion. As soon as the thing can feel pain, I get a bit itchy. I also have issues with aborting animals for the exact same reasons. Doesn't mean I'll say "No aborting animal fetuses". Just too many kittens suffering in the world today as it is.

yes b-cuz fetuses are in rap videos
come to think of it women should give birth at eminems recording studio :p

What is that supposed to mean cracka?

Terra Formi:

If I were trying to commit suicide I would use a binary explosive. Swallow one half then go somewhere else and swallow the other. Complete explosion from the inside, very messy.

If you could manage it inside the oval office it would be great too. ;)

**Looks for FBI listening :eek: (then realises I'm in the wrong country anyway :D **

Y'know, Zoroastrianism actually specifies the point the soul enters the fetus as a specific point in the pregnancy. As they're the most clear, why can't we use their definition?

Someone may think abortion is wrong, but they can't deny that only one person is effected in a suicide.
Well, yes, I can. Because friends and family are affected. That is the one reason I'm pretty sure that I will never commit suicide, because I find it to be overly selfish. And I am speaking from a point of view where I do indeed know what it is like to want to kill oneself. Luckily, I'm out of that now, but for about a year I was in a major depression. However, since I knew it would distress everyone I knew, I could never even attempt suicide.

People who are pro-choice should be for suicide too, come to think of it.
I am not pro-abortion, I am pro-choice. I do not believe that someone should be punished or anything for attempted suicide, but I do believe that someone who wants to commit suicide should seek out help before it gets too bad.

This gave me on odd thought. Am I committing murder every time I masturbate? I mean, each one of those sperm was a potential life.
Though it is true that sperm die quicker outside the body, they have a short life span anyways. Not to mention that they are pretty much nothing but a nucleus, flagellum, and mitochondria. That's about it.

The thing you seem to be missing is that until it fulfills all the requirements for an organism, it is not a human in the typical sense. It has the genotype of a human, but not sufficient phenotype. Pro-lifers seem to think of it as a belief, but they are contradicted by cold, hard, biological fact.
I agree with you, but I worded my post to be as non-partisan as possible.

Pathetic quote. Note that we're pro-choice, not pro-abortion.
Of course it's pathetic, but mostly hilarious. That's why I posted it.

People who are pro-choice should be for suicide too, come to think of it.
Yes, I do think that suicide should be legal. Not advisable, but illegalising it has to be among the most stupid laws ever.

An embryo has no rights. Rights do not pertain to a potential, only to an actual being. A child cannot acquire any rights until it is born. The living take precedence over the not-yet-living (or the unborn).
— Ayn Rand

Then how can Scott Peterson be convicted of murdering his unborn son?

Mother Theresa is one of my heroes, but that doesn't mean i agree with everything she said or did. She was catholic, it really doesn't surprise me that she was pro-life, it doesn't change my stance, i'm still pro-choice. I don't use other people's opinions to create or justify my own. As for suicide, i don't think it should ever be illegal, but as has been said, i do think if a person is suicidal they should get help, though i realize no one can force them to. I support euthanasia too and i think it should be legalized.

Pro choice quotes

"If you look at the issue, you'll see that this isn't about the children. There are children starving in the sewers of Persia. There are babies in the AIDS wards, chucked out into the streets like … cabbage. If this were really about the children, they'd be doing something about the children that are already here. I don't play that game."

* Tori Amos

"Neglect of an effective birth control policy is a never-failing source of poverty which, in turn, is the parent of revolution and crime."

* Aristotle, Politics, circa. 350 BC

"If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament."
*Florynce Kennedy

"... abortion opponents love little babies as long as they are in someone else's uterus."

* Joycelyn Elders, circa. 1990

Don't you think it's just mildly ironic that most of the people against abortion are people you wouldn't want to fuck in the first place?

George Carlin

If the anti-abortion movement took a tenth of the energy they put into noisy theatrics and devoted it to improving the lives of children who have been born into lives of poverty, violence, and neglect, they could make a world shine. ~Michael Jay Tucker

Against abortion? Don't have one. ~Author Unknown

Society does not need more children; but it does need more loved children. Quite literally, we cannot afford unloved children - but we pay heavily for them every day. There should not be the slightest communal concern when a woman elects to destroy the life of her thousandth-of-an-ounce embryo. But all society should rise up in alarm when it hears that a baby that is not wanted is about to be born. ~Garrett Hardin

Of course abortion isn't right. But it is even less right to bring unwanted children into lifelong suffering and to strip women of their choice. Making abortion illegal is not the way to prevent it. There is a much larger picture that starts with much deeper roots. ~Anonymous

Abolition of a woman's right to abortion, when and if she wants it, amounts to compulsory maternity: a form of rape by the State. ~Edward Abbey

Seventy-seven percent of anti-abortion leaders are men. 100% of them will never be pregnant. ~Planned Parenthood advertisement

The states are not free, under the guise of protecting maternal health or potential life, to intimidate women into continuing pregnancies. ~Justice Harry A. Blackmun, Roe v. Wade, 22 January 1973

No woman has an abortion for fun.
Author: Joan Smith

"One method of destroying a concept is by diluting its meaning. Observe that by ascribing rights to the unborn, i.e., the nonliving, the anti-abortionists obliterate the rights of the living: the right of young people to set the course of their own lives."

— Ayn Rand

"Responsible parenthood involves decades devoted to the child's proper nurture. To sentence a woman to bear a child against her will is an unspeakable violation of her rights: her right to liberty (to the functions of her body), her right to the pursuit of happiness, and, sometimes, her right to life itself, even as a serf. Such a sentence represents the sacrifice of the actual to the potential, of a real human being to a piece of protoplasm, which has no life in the human sense of the term. It is sheer perversion of language for people who demand this sacrifice to call themselves 'right-to-lifers.' "

— Leonard Peikoff

Then how can Scott Peterson be convicted of murdering his unborn son?
His wife was like 8 months pregnant. The fetus was viable... until of course, Scott Peterson killed Laci and the fetus.

I am not pro-abortion, I am pro-choice.

That is an oxymoron. How can you justify saying that your are for a woman's right to choose to abort her baby but say you are not for abortion. It isn't logical. :headbang:

Pro-Alterative Birth Quotes:
I was torn from the thigh of Zeus.-Dionysus

That is an oxymoron. How can you justify saying that your are for a woman's right to choose to abort her baby but say you are not for abortion. It isn't logical. :headbang:
I"m pro-choice and I'm anti-abortion.

Really I am. If it were up to me, then no woman would need an abortion. There would be enough sexual education and access to contraceptives to prevent unwated pregnancies and girls would have enough confidence to say "no" to unprotected sex rather than consider the possibility that "he won't love me if i don't"

Seriously, if all elective abortions were stopped because no one was getting pregnant undesirably then I'd be very happy. An abortion does not appear to be a pleasant procedure and well, I'm all for people avoiding unpleasant procedures when they can.

Furthermore, pro-life is not pro-life when you support the death penalty, wars and eating meat. So stop the bullshit and call yourself what you are. Anti-abortion and anti-choice and anti-sexual freedom for women.

Then how can Scott Peterson be convicted of murdering his unborn son?

Because some places have idiotic laws.

Killing a pregnant woman if anything should qualify as a hate crime, not as two murders.

Ayn Rand isn't a judge so her statements in regards to rights aren't legally binding anywhere.

Because some places have idiotic laws.

Killing a pregnant woman if anything should qualify as a hate crime, not as two murders.

Ayn Rand isn't a judge so her statements in regards to rights aren't legally binding anywhere.Hate crime? Isn't that just as idiotic as two murders?

Yes, I do think that suicide should be legal. Not advisable, but illegalising it has to be among the most stupid laws ever.

The only reason I haven't jumped off a tall building is that I fear there may be consequences...

That is an oxymoron. How can you justify saying that your are for a woman's right to choose to abort her baby but say you are not for abortion. It isn't logical. :headbang:
Because "pro-abortion" implies that the person thinks abortion is preferable to childbirth. That is ridiculous and nobody thinks that.

I have noticed that in America pro-lifers tend to be very militarist and anti-welfare. Could it be that they only value life before it is born?

The only reason I haven't jumped off a tall building is that I fear there may be consequences...
uummm, yeah, that would be death

uummm, yeah, that would be death
And jail :eek:

And jail :eek:
They don't actually arrest people who successfully committ suicide. I don't think they even arrest people who unsuccessfully attempt it. Such people need help, not punishment.

I don't think they even arrest people who unsuccessfully attempt it. Such people need help, not punishment.
Yes, they do. But I know that there are people who, when trying to recover from depression, get bugged by the police for attempting suicide. It's utterly ridiculous, and harmful, but such are the wonders of bureaucracy!

They don't actually arrest people who successfully committ suicide. I don't think they even arrest people who unsuccessfully attempt it. Such people need help, not punishment.

So, it's illegal but there is no punishment? :confused:

Most of them are pro-fetus, not pro-life. Most support the death penalty and are against the very things that help the children have a quality life.

As far as the other subject, after a suicide attenpt I told the police that I didn't want help. They told me it was the hospital (psych ward) or jail. It may be law just to force the suicidal to get psychiatric help.

"Life kicks ass. Or at least, my life does. Who cares about some baby?"

-- Nik Mouriopoulos

Since when do children deserve rights. They have done nothing for society and steal from their carrier before they even really exist. Then they are born and leech from both of their parents, shoot up schools, make rediculous music, and protest anything reasonable. I say KILL ALL CHILDREN!!

Listen guys, Commando is a nieve little kid ok? He thinks that he can change out minds, but still, lets not be mean and say taht we want to eat babies, unless your serious.

And out of randomness -

I notice that you are drinking 1% milk. Is that because you think your fat? Cuz ur not, you could be drinking whole milk if you wanted to.

I really don't get while people are pro-life, and then think various other things that they may think.

I personally believe that people will become as their environment entails them to be. However, when their genetics plays a role in this too, which will be explained later.

A child that would normally be aborted is probably the child of a mother who is not physically/emotionally/financially prepared to raise him. Therefore, the child grows in a negative surrounding, and therefore, becomes negative--a criminal.

There is not a great chance that the genetics factor can kick in to produce an Einstein, Edison, whatever. (Einstein was abused; he failed classes, etc., but his genetics gave him a persevering personality). We can't trust on a 'persevering' personality to be good to be ingrained into all fetuses.

So, in the case of fetus X. Say the unwed teen mother has X, and the father ditches him. Teen mother takes a job at McDonald's, fails her classes because she is not getting any sleep. She is still not making any money.

New factor. Her parents, Religious right prolifers, do not appreciate the daughter, even though she did not get an abortion. They hate her because she had sex in the first place. They kick her out.

Under the religious/financial conservative pro-life aspect, this girl should get no welfare. Maybe someone will donate her some money. Charity work. Whatever. Not likely.

The child grows up neglected, not from the mother's cold intentions, for these are nonexistant, but from the mother's necessity--she doesn't have the time.

The child learns that the way to survive is to take things for himself. He is an expert Oliver Twist, and then gets into greater schemes. Unlike Oliver Twist, there are no third parties to show him the good ways of life.

The child's genes may go so far as to say that he is persistent, and audacious. Of course, that persistence doesn't have to be bent into good or evil, because genes do not have the concepts of 'good' or 'evil'.

X is persistent enough; he sets a great heist and manages to ruin several thousand people's lives through a stock market scam.

Religious right says he must die under the death penalty. Why couldn't he have died in the first place, under abortion?

I know the argument. "Nobody knows that X was going to be a criminal." This is the same argument that I can't stand with God. God knows everything, but with your free will you can still sin, and it be all your fault. No, it must be God's fault that you sinned (for he created sin when he created Lucifer, etc.,) and in the same manner, X was a criminal from birth when he was placed in his circumstances.

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That means I totally agree. Just not in my nature to agree in a downcast manner.

To be honest, the pro-abortion comments here are much more likely to make people pro-life than the pro-life comments. I'm not sure you know how stupid you all look. You took these quotes and trashed them. "Base on no facts?" What the hell is that suppose to mean? They're opinion based quotes! "Zygotes are not children?" That just makes you a heartless bastard who fits into the pro-life quotes. What is a zygote but the beginings of life? The first step towards the formation of a child. To kill the child at that stage is no different than killing him once he's born. It's like saying you can kill a child at three years old but not at five.

And all this 'parasite' talk! You've done more with that word to convert people to pro-life than you may know. It shows everyone how heartless pro-abortion people might be.

There are some of you who are pro-abortion for reasons you feel are important, I accept that, you may believe what you wish. But take a long look at the mainstream of your believers and look at why they're with you. Look at the sick things that come out of their mouths, that all children "Deserve to die," or that "Children are the property of the mother." I'd rather you listened to them than the pro-life quotes, because they may make you a pro-lifer much faster than anyone.

Since when do children deserve rights. They have done nothing for society and steal from their carrier before they even really exist. Then they are born and leech from both of their parents, shoot up schools, make rediculous music, and protest anything reasonable. I say KILL ALL CHILDREN!!


I think you just made my point. See my previous post ^

An embryo has no rights. Rights do not pertain to a potential, only to an actual being. A child cannot acquire any rights until it is born. The living take precedence over the not-yet-living (or the unborn).
— Ayn Rand
Then again, anybody who has read Atlas Shrugged knows not to trust anything that Ayn Rand has to say.

I wonder how many people in third world countries have died because of Pope John Paul's wickedness in opposing contraception.

Then again, anybody who has read Atlas Shrugged knows not to trust anything that Ayn Rand has to say.


Anyone with even marginal literacy or a basic sense of ethics knows that ayn rand is a hack.

drivel ... /drivel Abortion is a national disgrace.


The misogynistic religious fundementalism that informs the opinion that the government should be able to force women to carry pregnencies against their will is the national disgrace.

America needs to move away from the iranian and afghanistani model of faith-based government and towards the enlightened, ethical and civilly equitable societies of europe.


Never forget that outlawing abortion means men putting guns in the faces of women and chaining them up to carry their pregnencies. That is the fact of police enforcement of criminalized abortion.

I think you just made my point. See my previous post ^

I knew I should've added a <sarcasm off> at the end of that post.

"Base on no facts?" What the hell is that suppose to mean? They're opinion based quotes!
Precisely. By people whose quotes are not based on facts.

"Zygotes are not children?" That just makes you a heartless bastard who fits into the pro-life quotes. What is a zygote but the beginings of life? The first step towards the formation of a child. To kill the child at that stage is no different than killing him once he's born. It's like saying you can kill a child at three years old but not at five.
Are you also against contraception, then?

And all this 'parasite' talk! You've done more with that word to convert people to pro-life than you may know. It shows everyone how heartless pro-abortion people might be.
If people are put off by biological fact, then I am afraid that I can not argue with them. I try to take care of extremely common misconceptions, and I just get told that it makes people feel icky. Well screw you ignoramuses.

But take a long look at the mainstream of your believers and look at why they're with you. Look at the sick things that come out of their mouths, that all children "Deserve to die," or that "Children are the property of the mother." I'd rather you listened to them than the pro-life quotes, because they may make you a pro-lifer much faster than anyone.
And, so sorry, but I've never heard a single pro-choice person say any of that. I have only heard those statements in parody and satire, never in earnest.

And besides, I'm not telling a women to abort her child because I want her to. I'm giving them a choice to do it if they want to. Geez, since when did I kill children and strip them of their rights by giving their mothers a choice?

if this is your reasoning.. why not give them that choice after birth.. what rights are you stripping from children by giving their mothers a choice ?

There's a little problem that both sides have... Neither can prove their own cases on whether a fetus is born at delivery or at conception. So, we're stuck. We'll continue to bicker for years and never reach an end.

I really don't think that enough children have been murdered yet. I think we should up our efforts and start aborting infants.

I always figured a good way to not get pregnant was to not screw around....but I guess logic is outdated these days.....

Hate crime? Isn't that just as idiotic as two murders?

It sounds it at first, however, pregnant women are more likely to be attacked then other women. People who commit violent crimes against members of other minority groups simply because their target was a member of that group generally get charged with commiting a hate crime, why should pregnant women not be afforded extra protection?

Modern Feminism disgusts me. Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony (who were both pro-life) would be disgusted with all the feminazis that exist today. Feminism is no longer about promoting female equality but is about promoting immorality. Feminism is a baby-killing, sexist, immoral, and stupid ideology that must be stopped.

Modern Feminism disgusts me. Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony (who were both pro-life) would be disgusted with all the feminazis that exist today. Feminism is no longer about promoting female equality but is about promoting immorality. Feminism is a baby-killing, sexist, immoral, and stupid ideology that must be stopped.

And every woman should be sent to the fields to pick cotton, right? :rolleyes:

Modern Feminism disgusts me. Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony (who were both pro-life) would be disgusted with all the feminazis that exist today. Feminism is no longer about promoting female equality but is about promoting immorality. Feminism is a baby-killing, sexist, immoral, and stupid ideology that must be stopped.
how is neofeiminism relevant to the entirity of the pro-choice argument

And every woman should be sent to the fields to pick cotton, right? :rolleyes:
fields?! women aren't meant to leave the house! you're one of those filthy ankle-bearing feminist sluts, aren't you?!

how is neofeiminism relevant to the entirity of the pro-choice argument

Because the feminazis are the ones leading the fight against life.

Modern Feminism disgusts me. Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony (who were both pro-life) would be disgusted with all the feminazis that exist today. Feminism is no longer about promoting female equality but is about promoting immorality. Feminism is a baby-killing, sexist, immoral, and stupid ideology that must be stopped.
lol. Right.

I think men need a liberation movement so they'll stop being so damn uptight about gender roles. Seriously.

Feminism is about the equality of the sexes. We still aren't equal so feminism is still needed.

Because the feminazis are the ones leading the fight against life.
no, the beef industry is leading the fight against life. the agricultural sector is leading the fight against life. all human beings who eat are leading the fight against life.

humans end life every second of every day, as a part of existence. stop using pointless emotive rhetoric and apply some specific terms. generalizations and slogans waste everybody's time.

fields?! women aren't meant to leave the house! you're one of those filthy ankle-bearing feminist sluts, aren't you?!

If I am, then I guess I'm an ankle-baring feminist slut trapped inside a mans body. :D

Because the feminazis are the ones leading the fight against life.
Yes! That's what we are! Us pro-choicers actually are anti-life! And are sheep to the shepards of feminazism!

Because the feminazis are the ones leading the fight against life.
..no

I always figured a good way to not get pregnant was to not screw around....but I guess logic is outdated these days.....
Yes, so men are free to do what they wish while women are punished for freedom.

It's called contraception. Depo prova is pretty much 100% protection from pregnancy.

Here, I'll start. Goodbye.

Good, one less closed-minded person to waste my oxygen.

It's a woman's right to choose, period.

And I agree with some earlier posters about the "next...." comment: it's stupid. Yea, he could've been the next Eddison, but he probably would've been either a homeless child (because his mother didn't want him) or a bum living of welfare.

Yeah! "The only good embryo is a d ...." no, wait. Hmm.

Yes, so men are free to do what they wish while women are punished for freedom.

Th'hell are you talking about? I'm just saying keep you're clothes on unless you're taking a shower, and you won't have a problem. But you see, that's logical, so it's outdated. Got nothing to do with men being free while women are punished. Freedom doesn't have anything to do with screwing around, unless you want to risk getting pregnant. Back in the day when you messed something up, you had to deal with it. But now you have these abortion clinics and these diet pills, and undo buttons, so you can pretty much do whatever you want and you won't have to deal with it. And if you do have to deal with it, because your undo button failed you, you can sue somebody.

Th'hell are you talking about? I'm just saying keep you're clothes on unless you're taking a shower, and you won't have a problem. But you see, that's logical, so it's outdated. Got nothing to do with men being free while women are punished. Freedom doesn't have anything to do with screwing around, unless you want to risk getting pregnant. Back in the day when you messed something up, you had to deal with it. But now you have these abortion clinics and these diet pills, and undo buttons, so you can pretty much do whatever you want and you won't have to deal with it. And if you do have to deal with it, because your undo button failed you, you can sue somebody.
anybody who thinks that having an abortion is an easy fix, a quick way out, or a means of avoiding responsibility is clearly somebody too ignorant to be given any say in what other people do with their reproductive organs. if you, or anybody you know, actually labor under such misconceptions, please feel free to come visit DC and join Bottle at the inner city clinic that Bottle volunteers at. i can promise it will be an enlightening experience.

Th'hell are you talking about? I'm just saying keep you're clothes on unless you're taking a shower, and you won't have a problem. But you see, that's logical, so it's outdated. Got nothing to do with men being free while women are punished. Freedom doesn't have anything to do with screwing around, unless you want to risk getting pregnant. Back in the day when you messed something up, you had to deal with it. But now you have these abortion clinics and these diet pills, and undo buttons, so you can pretty much do whatever you want and you won't have to deal with it. And if you do have to deal with it, because your undo button failed you, you can sue somebody.

The point flew several miles over your head. Without contraception, men can still have all the consequence-free sex they want, but women have to face the consequences.

Th'hell are you talking about? I'm just saying keep you're clothes on unless you're taking a shower, and you won't have a problem. But you see, that's logical, so it's outdated. Got nothing to do with men being free while women are punished. Freedom doesn't have anything to do with screwing around, unless you want to risk getting pregnant. Back in the day when you messed something up, you had to deal with it. But now you have these abortion clinics and these diet pills, and undo buttons, so you can pretty much do whatever you want and you won't have to deal with it. And if you do have to deal with it, because your undo button failed you, you can sue somebody.
I don't screw around. I only screw one man. I also make sure I'm well protected from pregnancy.

And being free to enjoy sex is a freedom. Men don't have to worry about pregnancy, it's not their body. Women, however are most affected by pregnancy. Most people who are anti-abortion and anti-choice will sit there and say that it's alright if a woman is raped. They don't care about that fetus... it was conceived in an act of violence. However, every fetus that was conceived out of love or emotional bond or just good fun must stay, huh? That seems to be punishing women for enjoying sex rather than saving the "life" of a fetus.

And hell, if you care so much about kids, do something about the ones starving to death and being tortured and living miserable, dismal lives first. Then tell me you care about kids, you care about their lives. Until then, you are punishing women for enjoyment of sex.

The point flew several miles over your head. Without contraception, men can still have all the consequence-free sex they want, but women have to face the consequences.
Thank you.

And hell, if you care so much about kids, do something about the ones starving to death and being tortured and living miserable, dismal lives first. Then tell me you care about kids, you care about their lives. Until then, you are punishing women for enjoyment of sex.
as far as i am concerned, any person who is "pro-life" must have at least one adopted child before their opinion matters in the slightest.

as far as i am concerned, any person who is "pro-life" must have at least one adopted child before their opinion matters in the slightest.

Or give birth to at least one child. That's better. Though I see where you're coming from with the adoption one.

No, if you gave birth, then you birthed your own child. If you're forcing your opinions on someone else urging them to put it up for adoption rather than abort then you should have had to adopt.

And not one of those perfectly healthy white babies that everyone wants either...

I don't screw around. I only screw one man. I also make sure I'm well protected from pregnancy.

And being free to enjoy sex is a freedom. Men don't have to worry about pregnancy, it's not their body. Women, however are most affected by pregnancy. Most people who are anti-abortion and anti-choice will sit there and say that it's alright if a woman is raped. They don't care about that fetus... it was conceived in an act of violence. However, every fetus that was conceived out of love or emotional bond or just good fun must stay, huh? That seems to be punishing women for enjoying sex rather than saving the "life" of a fetus.

And hell, if you care so much about kids, do something about the ones starving to death and being tortured and living miserable, dismal lives first. Then tell me you care about kids, you care about their lives. Until then, you are punishing women for enjoyment of sex.

Sex before marriage is disgusting and immoral and life is more important. And shame on you for using birth control that just prevents life.

Sex before marriage is disgusting and immoral and life is more important. And shame on you for using birth control that just prevents life.
wow, i have got to be the slowest person on the planet...up until this post, i though Commando actually believed in what he was posting! how could i have missed the obvious satire?!

*smacks own forehead*

man, it was so glaringly obvious that this guy was a parody, and here i was taking him seriously for all this time...

No, if you gave birth, then you birthed your own child. If you're forcing your opinions on someone else urging them to put it up for adoption rather than abort then you should have had to adopt.

And not one of those perfectly healthy white babies that everyone wants either...

Yea.

Sex before marriage is disgusting and immoral and life is more important. And shame on you for using birth control that just prevents life.
Yeah, shame on me for not having unprotected sex every time i ovulate as that just prevents many lives. Damn, I am a terrible person because i have 0 kids at 20 when it's obvious that I should have been able to pump out at least 8.

wow, i have got to be the slowest person on the planet...up until this post, i though Commando actually believed in what he was posting! how could i have missed the obvious satire?!

*smacks own forehead*

man, it was so glaringly obvious that this guy was a parody, and here i was taking him seriously for all this time...

Shut the **** up I'm not a satire bottle. Seriously, give me proof birth control doesn't prevent life and I'll leave here. Birth control could have made you not exist.

I think men need a liberation movement so they'll stop being so damn uptight about gender roles. Seriously.

I agree. Have you ever noticed how it's considered totally normal for a straight girl to enthusiastically discuss how attractive another girl is, but if a straight guy even mentions another man's attractiveness in passing, he is assumed to be gay by others (or his sexuality is, at least, cast into doubt)?

I agree. Have you ever noticed how it's considered totally normal for a straight girl to enthusiastically discuss how attractive another girl is, but if a straight guy even mentions another man's attractiveness in passing, he is assumed to be gay by others (or his sexuality is, at least, cast into doubt)?
Yeah, it's rather silly. That and with clothes. One guy in my class wore a pink shirt and this other guy flipped out over it. Who cares, man, it's a shirt...

Liberals claim to put childrens rights first but they support child murder and infanticide so they obviously have no respect for life.
I am a Liberal, and this is not true of me, and I do not stand alone. So there.

Oops!

:rolleyes:

"A nation that kills its own children is a nation without hope."
--Pope John Paul II

"It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish."
-- Mother Teresa

"I am dedicated to spending the rest of my life undoing the law that bears my name. I would like nothing more than to have this law overturned."
--Norma L. McCorvey ("Jane Roe" of Roe v. Wade)

"When we consider that women are treated as property, it is degrading to women that we should treat our children as property to be disposed of as we see fit."
-- Elizabeth Cady Stanton

"After tens of millions of [abortion] 'procedures,' has America lost anything? Another Edison, perhaps? A Gershwin? A Babe Ruth? A Duke Ellington? . . . As it is, we will never know what abortion has cost us all."
-- Joseph Sobran, Editorial Columnist

"Abortion is about many, many things, but first and foremost it represents the exercise of power by the strong over and against the weak. If we step back, we see that abortion represents a profound failure of moral obligation and moral imagination.

The unborn’s right to life depends, not on the kindness of strangers, but rather on what is owed to him/her by their own family. Too often, out of sight means out of mind, a potentially lethal failure of moral imagination and human empathy."
--Father Pavone (Priests For Life)

I hope all you "pro-choice" people take a good look at some of those quotes. Some of the greatest minds are against abortion, which is genocide. Even Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony, two of the greatest womens rights activists, were super opposed to abortion. Abortion is a national disgrace. Liberals claim to put childrens rights first but they support child murder and infanticide so they obviously have no respect for life. Abortion is murder that has to be stopped.
Whilst abortion is always a sad matter, neither the law nor men should dare to impose the conditions by which a women may govern her body. A women does not need our permission to have a cancer removed, and though I do not compare a child to cancer, I do say that a woman cannot be forced to carry this child(foetus) against her will.

"thou shall not kill"

-that one guy

I wonder what the percentage is of people who oppose abortion are in favor of the death penalty.

"thou shall not kill"

-that one guy
That depends on which edition you read. Many "modern" editions have it stating "Thou Shall not murder" which opens up a whole plethora of loopholes and semantics.

I wonder what the percentage is of people who oppose abortion are in favor of the death penalty.
That is not hypocritical. If someone is condemned to death by their peers for their punishments, it is quite different than an unborn baby being killed. Too many people cannot have children and would gladly take away these unwanted babies. Also, if your on death row, you at least get a lengthy appeal process. Aborted babies do not get the same luxury!

Version of life 1:
(Utopia)
All life has equal value. For one to kill another implies this is not true. Therefore and death at the hands of another voluntarily is wrong. Hurting others implies you are more right then them. No one can be absolutely certain. Therefore, no one should voluntarily hurt another. This applies to every being. Even if they violate this, we do not know if they are right or wrong, and thus no action should be taken.

Version of life 2:
(Logic)
The most logical action should be taken. If person A murders B, without good cause, an appropriate punishment should be given. This can include imprisionment, fee, death, or torture as a deterant. Everything is logic based.

We live in version 1.X what the X stands for is up to you.

One last thought, look to the yin-yang. Do you understand what it is? It means SIMPLY that there can not be purity. There is no such thing as all good, or all bad. No all black sweater, no all white sweater. None. Only thing pure is idea itself. Idea of evil. Thus no one can be pure evil. Look to this principle for guidance.

One more thing, do not hurt/disrespect others in this chat unless you know you are right. If you are that confident in your statement's validity, then continue posting.

But now you have these abortion clinics and these diet pills, and undo buttons, so you can pretty much do whatever you want and you won't have to deal with it. And if you do have to deal with it, because your undo button failed you, you can sue somebody.

Yeah. They should stop producing medicine, because in the old days, if you got sick, you DIED! Lazy good for nothing whippersnappers! Always wanting to be HAPPY and have FUN and LIVE. Why if I had my bronze sword my grandpappy made me...

Are you also against contraception, then?

I use contraception to prevent disease. If God wants the kid born, the contraceptives will fail.

I wonder what the percentage is of people who oppose abortion are in favor of the death penalty.

I also wonder what number of pro-lifers look down on single mothers.

fields?! women aren't meant to leave the house! you're one of those filthy ankle-bearing feminist sluts, aren't you?!

"With that, I set out to find the killer."
"Woman!! Mister Perkins needs attention!"
"But alas, it is 1888. And I am but a woman. Not allowed to leave the house unaccompanied... And my husband wished to satisfy his baser desires..."

Shut the **** up I'm not a satire bottle. Seriously, give me proof birth control doesn't prevent life and I'll leave here. Birth control could have made you not exist.

Me not raping the first woman I see today might prevent life as well. Should I be forced to?

If God wants the kid born, the contraceptives will fail.

If God wants the kid to be born, the abortion will fail.

Wait, free will, what's that again?

Lol.
"How would you feel if you were aborted?!"
-Countless Catholics

I dunno.........odd, i guess.
Or maybe nothing.

Why can't you all just mind your own business?
Who cares if a kid gets aborted.
One less person to compete with.

Oh I know. How much did Jesus talk about abortion?
Ok. Now how much did he talk about poverty?

OH. Lol. Whatever. Do what you want. Just don't bother me.

Sex before marriage is disgusting and immoral and life is more important.
Disgusting? Is that really the best you can come up with?

And shame on you for using birth control that just prevents life.
And shame on you for eating that just ends life.

Yeah, shame on me for not having unprotected sex every time i ovulate as that just prevents many lives. Damn, I am a terrible person because i have 0 kids at 20 when it's obvious that I should have been able to pump out at least 8.
Naturally! What a worthless person you are! 50 Hail Marys!

Though, if we want to get into biology, you don't really matter if you don't have offspring. But that's a whole 'nother subject.

Seriously, give me proof birth control doesn't prevent life and I'll leave here.
Seriously, give me proof eating doesn't end life and I'll leave here.

Birth control could have made you not exist.
For me, at least, I would have wanted my parents to contacept or abort me if they wanted to. As I've said, we are for choice, not for "baby killing" as you put it.

If God wants the kid born, the contraceptives will fail.
Then why do we bother doing anything at all? If God doesn't like Saddam Hussein or Osama bin Laden, why doesn't he give them heart attacks or strike them down with lightning? Why ever even do anything, since if God wants it to happen, it will anyways?

Me not raping the first woman I see today might prevent life as well.
Well, what are you waiting for, life-hater?!?

Well, what are you waiting for, life-hater?!?

An erection... >.>

An erection... >.>
Well then take some Viagra!

How should I try to re-assure Commando2 yet also try to get rid of him?
How about:
I appreciate your attempts to convince us into believing that a child unnessecarily being condemned into living in poverty is better than than having him not having to deal with it. However, you should also realize that chances are, none of us here are going to have an abortion, and thus, our opinions don't matter at all. And unfortunatly, you are trying to push a cursed boulder up the side of a hill in Hades - you will not convince us, but then again, it won't matter. Perhaps it would be better for your sanity if you just left us here to wallow in our wanton pool of heathen-i-ness.

No, the last part sounded sarcastic.
How about:
Perhaps you would perfer it if you could just wash your hands of us, and leave us to suffer eternally?
Much better.

Well then take some Viagra!

If God wants me to have an erection, I will.
I will pray for one.

If God wants me to have an erection, I will.
I will pray for one.
Then pray hard. Hard, damnit!

Then pray hard. Hard, damnit!
Such a bad pun.

Such a bad pun.

If God had... you get the idea...

Such a bad pun.
Yes.

"It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish."
-- Mother Teresa

Do you know why India was [is] so fucking poor? Because those stupid idiots have so many damn children!!

Overpopulation is the root of all the world's problems, and killing children is no different from killing people which is no different from not having children that grow up into people.

So really, abstinence, contraception, and not using every egg or sperm in your body is a form of abortion... Cause we all got at most 30,000 days to live in which we accomplish nothing for the world but depletion of recourses (99.99% of the time, the Hitlers of the world included in the .001% along with the Einsteins).

So kill some babies, kill some cows, kill some rabbits, thin the herd one way or another, be it by spaying or neutering your Catholics and Muslims or mandating a one child law.

Simple as that.

The world cannot sustain so many people, as any mythology (even Christian) can easily tell you.

You had a 1 in 3 trillion chance of existence. And you'll be forgotten by your relatives in a century. So quit preaching about bullshit that doesn't matter.

give me proof birth control doesn't prevent life and I'll leave here. Birth control could have made you not exist.
So commando, in the interest of "Not preventing life" I should find the first woman I can convince and the two of us should start having babies until either she runs out of eggs or I run out of sperm? Abstinance prevents life just as much as birth control, did you think of that? Abstinance could have made you not exist.

The thing that really irks me about the abortion debate is when religion is dragged in...
- Pro-choicer

If God wants the kid to be born, the abortion will fail.

Wait, free will, what's that again?

It's called Sarcasm Mr. Hakartopia. Look it up in the dictionary.

It's called Sarcasm Mr. Hakartopia. Look it up in the dictionary.

No, really? And what, pray, do you think my post was?