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Hello!

This is a short – well, not really short, but anyhow – letter to whoever is out there ignoring me [with the exception of Iuthy who might have a legit reason from the Axackal campaign, and AMF/Melkor – though I think theirs is a result of misunderstanding]. At this stage, this really doesn’t make sense – I can’t get into any RP I consider to be good because there’s someone in it ignoring me. And quite a few of you – they know who they are – are only doing this because everybody is doing it – and that’s really – but really childish.

This really doesn’t make sense. Really. So I made a post ages ago about Allanea falling into the mantle – I know someone WILL bring it up. It was a semi-OOC post because I wanted to leave NS. It is totally senseless to hold it against me – unless you are using it as an excuse, and an excuse is not a reason. There’s a major difference.

I RP. I write. I write – as people here tell me – rather well. But yet again I have those people – since there’s at least one of them in every major RP, from Tempo Dulu to Unity Island, I can’t even do anything. You wanted to ruin NS for me? Well, you succeeded. Thank you. Feel happy now?

I can’t really prove anything – I keep coming up against the same thing every time I try. I can’t do anything. I am simply asking to be sensible and remove your – senseless –ignores of me.

Yours, Allanea

Boris, I'm SURE that people ignore for a reason. And whatever that reason may be, it's their right to ignore you, regardless of how ludicrous their reasoning may be. Stop trying to force people into submission. Jump over the obstacle, don't try to break through it.

And you REALLY sound full of yourself, claiming that you write rather well. I'm positive that this explains half of the ignores that you're so pissy about.

People can do whatever they goddamn please in NationStates, and you have absolutely no power over them or their actions. We do not have to listen to you, and calling us childish is really no way to get things done.

Take a wild guess as of why so many people use the excuse (Yes, it is an excuse. And?) of you sinking into the mantle in order to ignore you?

That's right, boy: They do not want to deal with you.

And really... For someone who ignored the entirety of NS, with the exception of, uh, Mars, Haven, and a small number of other nations, you sound surprisingly whiny, now that you're ignored by others...

You want to be unignored? Try changing your attitude, rather than pointing at technicalities.

Boris, I'm SURE that people ignore for a reason. And whatever that reason may be, it's their right to ignore you, regardless of how ludicrous their reasoning may be. Stop trying to force people into submission. Jump over the obstacle, don't try to break through it.

Stating your opinion is not "forcing people", regardless of what you think

And you REALLY sound full of yourself, claiming that you write rather well.

Try to read me in context. Note: as people here tell me. This was an important one.

And you REALLY sound full of yourself, claiming that you write rather well. I'm positive that this explains half of the ignores that you're so pissy about.


Actually, no, he can write, this has been admitted by people on mIRC it's parts of his OOC attitude, and IC actions that seem to randomly rub people up the wrong way.

Casual observance.

Okay, I missed that part. Forgive me.

Writing style is not the only factor in whether people like you or not. People ignore Scolopendra, amazingly. He is the best damned writer I've ever seen. People ignore for technology reasons. People ignore for political reasons. Stop assuming that everybody's reasons are bullshit and just ignore the people who ignore you. Boatloads of people ignore me for the things I did two years ago. It doesn't affect me, because there are hundreds of thousands of other people whom I can RP with.

Stop crying over spilt milk and pour yourself another glass.

Foe, this kind of hostility really isn't needed here. Could you try and stay civil?

Actually, despite being known as Allanea's prime foe (before he went to Mars at least), I would like to offer some support.

First of all, comrade Boris is right. He does write pretty well, especially considering that English is his third language. I think that he should get points just for that. On a more substantial note, however, I think that he does have good ideas for roleplays.

The number one problem that I have with Allanea is that he is too full of his political ideology. During the Allanea-UnAPS War, for instance, the whole "Libertarian soldier" thing was so strong that Allaneans had to get the better of the "evil communists" (namely me) every time, or if they did die, they had to take out huge numbers of enemies in the process. This can also be seen in the way he RPs his society as nearly perfect and impervious to attack, because everyone carries a gun.

That aside though, I feel that with some reforming, Allanea would be a valuable contributor to the NS world. One problem though, is that no one is willing to give him a chance. I haven't RPed with him in a long time because of the stigma of being associated, and also because no one else would ever be involved. I think that if people gave him a chance, he could have a rennaissance.

Oh, and one last thing. He's definetely improved. I was the target of the first war he ever fought, way back in May 2003. That level of RPing was definetely grounds for being ignored. I don't feel that at current he's anywhere near that level of n00bishness.

Just my thoughts on the matter.

One problem though, is that no one is willing to give him a chance.

Quite a few people have given him "A chance" or two, or three, he seems to have an ideology that is becoming intolerable to hear, read and speak about.
He has bugged people with his ideas and ideology in the past, and does so today on a slightly reduced basis, he also did a strange "Ignore" policy, and so, the NS population merely replied in kind.

I am willing to give him another chance, but, he'd have to earn it, he did alot of stuff last year, that people are still talking about and laughing at.


Also, Foe Hammer, my sources tell me that you too also bitched and whined for a long time, so insulting Boris is hardly showing you have either changed, or grown up.

Now, let me see…

Does Allanea know how to write? I think so, yes. Grammatically his posts are mostly correct(well, I make grammar mistakes myself, so am not the best judge) and his style is neither better nor worse than that of many other decent RPers. I can, however, state that his RPing has improved considerably over time, to become much more descriptive and thorough.

Now, does Allanea jump into a thread without warning? In the past, I think he did so. As of today… I was the witness myself of his discussions with numerous players about possible common RPs and his possible participation in already ongoing events. So we cannot really claim that he is an annoying little “Mr I want to be everywhere”.

Does Allanea wank beyond measure? Depends. I remember somebody holding the fact that he rebuilt his fleet or something in a day or a week, whatever. Well... Many of us use the concept of Fluid Time[tm] to advance our plotlines. He has abused it slightly in the past… but then again, he is not the only one. Some people like to take real months to finish something. Some like to be done within a day and go on with it, claiming that a certain number of years happened in the meantime. If people ignore him for that... well... their problem.

As of his X trillion of dollars transactions… well… if today’s IRL USA has a public debt worth $7,616,820,218,489.46 or so (source ( http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpenny.htm)), frankly, I see no reason for a rather futuristic nation, that is way larger than the United States of America and has a broader resource and production base, to not be juggling with trillions of its own dollars.

Well, my views are completely non-binding to anyone. They are my own. I just had a dozen free minutes so decided to fill ‘em up :)
I, for one, have not suffered in any way because of Allanea and, as such, do not see any reasons for me to ignore him. As of others – entirely their business, but it’s a pity. Really. Ally has some fun and interesting ideas floating around, which could be very fun :)

Well, per se, Allanea is not impervious to attack. It’s impervious to a direct violent attack via ground forces, because said ground forces would get shot up and driven over with the proverbial machinegun-carrying pickup trucks. Allanea can be and was successfully attacked by:

a)Ortillery – even though minland Allanea is protected from it, New-Missouri, New-Michigan, and everything off Earth can be destroyed.

b)Terrorism – you can buy explosives and AA missiles over the counter in the nation. Pick a B-747 and fire a rifle at it as it sets up to land.

c)Bioweapons – hell, as people fight for exit out of Port-Allanea, thousands more from the actual gunfire than the disease itself.

d)Surprise WMD attacks in general – remember TSE glassing Port-Allanea?

e)Economic strikes - haul in a big golden asteroid and Allanea's currency devaluates to hell.

f)Anything ORIGINAL. No, "I send 6000 terrorists to shoot up highschools in Allanea" won't work. The students will laugh as they shoot your terrorists to ribbons.

And I had about 40 times your losses in Axackal, Noah. The only reason I succeeded in pushing your forces back a bit – 60 miles inland – was because I rounding up loads of allies to pour more, and more, and more troops into the meatgrinder.

Hawk, he's not being hostile, he's being realistic. Boris is ignored because he's a crappy roleplayer and can't go a week without trying some stupid plot, not because of some imaginary plot against him.

For example, he claims to be a diverse nation of fiercely independent geeks, when in reality, he plays them as mindless sheep. On top of that, the geek image he claims is shattered by his 25% literacy rate. I don't know about you, but I've never met a geek that can't read his own name.

I won't even go into his military.

I remember somebody holding the fact that he rebuilt his fleet or something in a day or a week, whatever.

Two and a half months.

Two and a half months.

Then... double-u tee eff? :eek:

Then... double-u tee eff? :eek:

Rumours?

On top of that, the geek image he claims is shattered by his 25% literacy rate.

That is according to a calc that ties literacy directly into a nation's education budget. Which is not necessarily linked.

For example, he claims to be a diverse nation of fiercely independent geeks, when in reality, he plays them as mindless sheep. On top of that, the geek image he claims is shattered by his 25% literacy rate. I don't know about you, but I've never met a geek that can't read his own name.


Calculators are so blatantly wrong... I know no one who does NOT ignore them.

After bugging me on IRC, I will briefly provide reasoning. Not with the intention to go into debate, but just to settle this once and for all and provide public record of my opinion.

Boris lies to people, repeatedly (even twisting relality in this very thread, seeing as "two and a half months" is simply not true, given how he was basically back on his feet in a week, and I remember how he tried to downgrade casualties for the SP occupation just because it no longer served his propaganda purposes and became inconvenient just a week ago). He lies and arbitrarily retcons to serve his interests and does not in the least feel guilty about it.
Boris only roleplays with the objective to 'win' certain OOC goals and is willing to godmod or wank to this purpose. Will not give up OOCly until OOC goal has been attained.
Boris wanks a lot, as a result, in my opinion, and his declared space navy for example exceeds the wank-power optimum I subjectively assigned to him. (If you have no idea what I'm saying, read the theory on the wank-power optimum in NSwiki.)
Boris prefers other types of RP, namely OOCly competetive ones whereas I prefer collaborative storywriting. Big avoid sign for me. The experience of writing 1 page of text after about three hours of research on plane strategies and tactics only to get a 'I take x losses, you are attacked by 2000 planes again" is an experience I do not want to repeat.
Boris is annoyingly political in roleplay. Personal ideology pervades every aspect of roleplay as well as OOC in annoying banners and such. (see Mars board)
Boris lied to me specifically and abused me for his personal purposes and then threw me away like a used cleenex. I dislike being treated like that, regardless of any change in a person. And yeah, I hold a grudge.


Now please stop linking me your threads, Boris. I wil not unignore you. Ever. Just accept it and move on.

Regardless of that calculator (the same one gives me a GDP per capita of $10,000 [and I have a Frightening economy]), Bryn Shander's point is there. Allaneans do seem to be brainwashed, and they will do anything for their motherland if their government tells them so. There isn't anything wrong with this in general, so long as you don't pretend that it's a libertarian society of freedom and individuality.

And in regards to the 40-1 casualties... yes... that's true. I did take that. But my troops were far better trained, I had tons of allied troops (supporting me), I had completely wiped out your air defenses and air force and was pummeling your massed infantry formations with MOABs and tens of thousands of ASCMs, I had about five times the amount of artillery you had, and I was on the defensive. On top of that, three-quarters of your casualties were conscripted criminals who you had charge my soldiers unarmed.

I'm supposed to be arguing for Allanea... Like I said before, I think that Allanea has a lot of good stuff going for him. He just needs to tone down the ideology (a lot).

(even twisting relality in this very thread, seeing as "two and a half months" is simply not true, given how he was basically back on his feet in a week,

- We were talking about the rebuilding of my fleet here, not my nation. Even though, my nation took more than a week to rebuild - despite aid and investments from 20 other nations. I wanted to retcon the SP thing because I was rudely pressured into it in the first place.

And no, Knoot, I never lied to you or abused you in any way - you're dreaming. Allanea had a relationship with Knootoss exactly ONCE, slightly before the Axackal campaign, and than you backstabbed me.

And no, I am not going to spend an extra second of my time arguing with the rest of your points.

Personally I've ignored you since you tried that little 'escape' from Melkor randomly into the arms of Sithiril stunt.

And for that oil thread you posted. Something stuck in my craw about it...but that was only strike one really.

Personally, I really don't like your psudo-american midwesterner redneck population model. In some ways it is just so damn cartoonish that I, as someone who has lived in the one of the poorest counties in the midwest, find mildly, no actually severely, offensive.

Especially your Foreign Minister "Gag" which resembles more of the snobbish, prep school boy fantasy than any rual raised, "trailer trash" girl I have ever run into. Now perhaps they were more 'behaved' around me...and my family than typical but still...

...despite aid and investments from 20 other nations. I wanted to retcon the SP thing because I was rudely pressured into it in the first place.

Want a hint? Even if you had bottomless coffers, rebuilding a nation from the iron age takes time. Years upon years. What you pulled was nothing short of godmoding.

As for the "pressure", well, that's what happens when you go and stick your nose where it doesn't belong and then act like a jackass. If you don't want people to do bad things to you when you have a horrible foreign policy, post in notepad, not the forums.

Want a hint? Even if you had bottomless coffers, rebuilding a nation from the iron age takes time. Years upon years. What you pulled was nothing short of godmoding.

As for the "pressure", well, that's what happens when you go and stick your nose where it doesn't belong and then act like a jackass. If you don't want people to do bad things to you when you have a horrible foreign policy, post in notepad, not the forums.

Calm Bryn Shander son...Calm...you are headed for flamming and deletion if you follow this path...

Calm Bryn Shander son...Calm...you are headed for flamming and deletion if you follow this path...

This isn't for you to determine.

Personally, I really don't like your psudo-american midwesterner redneck population model. In some ways it is just so damn cartoonish that I, as someone who has lived in the one of the poorest counties in the midwest, find mildly, no actually severely, offensive.

Especially your Foreign Minister "Gag" which resembles more of the snobbish, prep school boy fantasy than any rual raised, "trailer trash" girl I have ever run into. Now perhaps they were more 'behaved' around me...and my family than typical but still...

Actually, that's his idea of an ideal society.

Regardless of what his ideals, you can't claim that it's a reason for him not to be on NS. I personally find myself hating Decisive Action's populace with a passion, but he has a right to exist, too.

The Allanea flaming is insane. I could think of a hundred nations much more suited for quitting NS. Is he the greatest? Far from it. But is he the worst thing to ever happen to NS? Not in the least. Now, you have to understand- this is coming from a guy who's historically been... at odds... with Allanea.

Knoot, all of what you said is true. And it's perfectly fine for you to ignore him. Given what he did to you, I'd ignore him in a split second. But unless he's done that for everyone, there isn't a reason for all of us to ignore him.

All I'm saying is, give Allanea a(nother) chance.

-The Tiburon/Altea Complex

He has been given chances, and wasted them. To give him more is going to do nothing but cause grief.

Given what he did to you, I'd ignore him in a split second. But unless he's done that for everyone, there isn't a reason for all of us to ignore him.I would argue that. You see, I've listened to a lot of people who have given Allanea a second chance. I don't know if all of them gave up in disgust, but I know a lot did. Personally, I don't have to touch the flame to know I'm going to get burned. Until I observe more maturity out of the player and hear good things from people I respect, I'm not going to bother. As far as my Empire is concerned, Allanea got bombed into the iron age by Zero-One and never recovered. They are a non-issue in international politics.

I don't know Allanea's past history - however, if Allanea would ever like to role play with me he could contact me - and I assure him of my skills, in case he thinks me not important enough.

OOC: Honestly Allanea, I dont ignore you for anything. Now this isnt to say that I nessasarily respect the way that you roleplay, but hey, its not going to force me into an ignore. If Allanea has something respectable to contribute to my roleplays, he's welcome, but as with everyone's code of ettiquite, if I even spelt that right, if hes asked to leave I would expect him to. A suggestion to you maybe Allanea though, have you considered roleplaying a less than perfect society? Whilst there are benefits for being such a powerful society where everyone is somewhat like a colony of ants, I would think it even more fun to roleplay a society where, hey, nothings perfect. Like America, it may be a great place to live (depending on your location), but it has problems like even Africa. Really put, even America takes losses, although they play an IC political game that they dont (propeganda wise). They may be the worlds largest power, but they arent unstoppable....

Maybe this might enlighten you, maybe not, but this is why people ignore you so much. Everyone wants a fair go against you, and everyone wants a fair go with you, so reward them with a less than perfect nation, and you will reep the rewards in more roleplays becoming accessable.

I never ignored you anyway Allanea. Maybe if you should get a new nation and start over, if you know what i mean.

Oh yeah, I remember the thread where Allanea declared to ignore everyone who doesn't like him ie the whole NS world except 10 nations. Things like that sure make you a popular player.

If he wants to play with me, TG me. The above thing is the only thing I heard from you, albeit not a positive message.

This isn't for you to determine.

Is telling someone he comes close to flaming forbidden? Even if you think this is acceptable, it may not be for another mod. And if TLoW did not warn BS, then BS might actually go over the line, is that what mods want?


Sorry to disturb your discussion here, Allanea, i just felt i had to react. Wont happen again.