NationStates Jolt Archive

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."

Herman Goering at the Nuremberg Trials

Most of you have probably read this quote before, but I figure that it should strike up some good conversation.

So what do you think of it?

So what do you think of it?
Makes me want to go to war.

Makes me want to go to war.

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Yep, I've heard it before. I believe several nazis and Stalin said things in a similiar vein.

Yup. Ya just can't beat government authoritarianism.

does anybody know who said:
"I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature.....Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burned, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion?To make half the world fools and half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the world."
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How about this one:
"To occupy Iraq would instantly shatter our coalition, turning the whole Arab world against us and make a broken tyrant into a latter-day hero ... assigning young soldiers to a fruitless hunt for a securely entrenched dictator and condemning them to fight in what would be an un-winnable urban guerilla war. It could only plunge that part of the world into even greater instability."
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does anybody know who said:
"I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature.....Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burned, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion?To make half the world fools and half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the world."
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How about this one:
"To occupy Iraq would instantly shatter our coalition, turning the whole Arab world against us and make a broken tyrant into a latter-day hero ... assigning young soldiers to a fruitless hunt for a securely entrenched dictator and condemning them to fight in what would be an un-winnable urban guerilla war. It could only plunge that part of the world into even greater instability."
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1) Thomas Jefferson
2) George bush, senior

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thought they were both relevant seeing as were talking about quotes that describe the way things are

So what do you think of it?

Its a probably the second most overused political quote in the universe, the first being that "first they came for the communists but I did not speak up becasue I was not a communist...." quote about the holocaust.

What I would love to see is what Bush would say if he were on trial for war crimes. He would probably spout of some gibberish about how he regrets misunderestimating the mighty French Army and then conclude by shouting FREEDOM!!!!!!! like in Braveheart at the top of his voice while being carted off to a cushy minimum security European Union prison with Pinochet and Milosevic.

How can the allied countrys justify the Nuremburg trials?
Make no mistake about it, most if not all were guilty but why do people give the allies a break? Have you never heard of Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden, fire-bombings of Japan and Germany that were intended to kill civilians?
Non Nazi members, Non military personel etc. Mothers, Fathers, Sons, Daughters and litle children were burned alive, were is their justice?
Sometimes it makes me sick when people joke about or use it as an argument to justfy their actions.

How can the allied countrys justify the Nuremburg trials?
Make no mistake about it, most if not all were guilty but why do people give the allies a break? Have you never heard of Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden, fire-bombings of Japan and Germany that were intended to kill civilians?
Non Nazi members, Non military personel etc. Mothers, Fathers, Sons, Daughters and litle children were burned alive, were is their justice?
Sometimes it makes me sick when people joke about or use it as an argument to justfy their actions.

Ah, but the Allies won.

History is written by the victors, my friend.

How can the allied countrys justify the Nuremburg trials?
Make no mistake about it, most if not all were guilty but why do people give the allies a break? Have you never heard of Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden, fire-bombings of Japan and Germany that were intended to kill civilians?
Non Nazi members, Non military personel etc. Mothers, Fathers, Sons, Daughters and litle children were burned alive, were is their justice?
Sometimes it makes me sick when people joke about or use it as an argument to justfy their actions.

Partly because the allies weren't deliberately trying to wipe out a whole class of people. If we wnted to try the Americans for genocide, we'd have to go back about a hundred years.

Ah, but the Allies won.

History is written by the victors, my friend.

I know the Allies won but that is no excuse. The point is that the world let mass murderers go free.

Partly because the allies weren't deliberately trying to wipe out a whole class of people. If we wnted to try the Americans for genocide, we'd have to go back about a hundred years.

What do you mean with "class of people"? The attacks were aimd at the civilians and the objective was to kill all of them. Eg. People of Dresden are one class (you can say that) and tens of thousands of them were killd, how is that not wipeimg out a class of people?

I know the Allies won but that is no excuse. The point is that the world let mass murderers go free.
When mass murderers cannot be brought to justice without killing many, many more people you have no choice but to let them go free. Welcome to the real world. Ugly, ain't it.

What do you mean with "class of people"? The attacks were aimd at the civilians and the objective was to kill all of them. Eg. People of Dresden are one class (you can say that) and tens of thousands of them were killd, how is that not wipeimg out a class of people?

*sigh*
Are you being deliberately obtuse?

The Objective was not to make sure no civilians in Dresden survived. The nazis wanted all Jews, all gypsies, all homsexuals, all communists, all trade unionist, all free masons and all mentally ill people exterminated. The allies wanted enough people dead to demoralize the Germans. Not nice, but war isn't. The allies didn't have the objective of wanting no one from Dresden to walk the earth.