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Clich here for more mind bending US hypocrisy (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4257911.stm)

The US (who don't produce or own any weapons of course!) accuse Venezuela of starting an arms race! :headbang: :sniper:

An arms race with Venezuela? That's like playing chicken with a stopped train.

Hell, the Columbian drug cartels are moving more and more of their operations to Venezuela. Maybe Chavez wants weapons to get tough on them. Maybe not. Maybe he's planning to help FARC and their drug dealing allies against Columbia. I don't trust that Fuck.

Clich here for more mind bending US hypocrisy (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4257911.stm)

The US (who don't produce or own any weapons of course!) accuse Venezuela of starting an arms race! :headbang: :sniper:

So let me see if I have this straight: When the US takes steps to prevent a possible war from starting, you get as upset as when the US intervenes in an effort to prevent terrorism? I strongly suspect that either you're just anti-American, or that your elevator no longer reaches the upper floors! :rolleyes:

An arms race with Venezuela? That's like playing chicken with a stopped train.
thats possibly the greatest analogy ive ever heard

thats possibly the greatest analogy ive ever heard
Thank you much, I needed to find a something ridiculous to say to this, and it just popped into my head.

So let me see if I have this straight: When the US takes steps to prevent a possible war from starting, you get as upset as when the US intervenes in an effort to prevent terrorism? I strongly suspect that either you're just anti-American, or that your elevator no longer reaches the upper floors! :rolleyes:

i think its more.
The US supplys weapons all the times,often to dictatorships so our corporations can use the cheap labor or any other resourses they have.
the US has the most overly expensive millitary in the world,what kind of hyprocrits are they to say NO to someone else building up there millitary.

I'm starting to like the BBC more and more.
me ~> :fluffle: <~ the bbc

i believe the term "hypocrisy" or "lies" does not applies to state or government :rolleyes:
it has been fact since man live in villages:
All countries look out to their self interest.. it IS their job! :headbang:

the thing i can't stand about american gov, is their disrespectful langauge...
they speak as if anyone not with them are terrorist or something... :mp5: :mp5:
where is the love... :fluffle:

:confused:

:(

i believe the term "hypocrisy" or "lies" does not applies to state or government :rolleyes:
it has been fact since man live in villages:
All countries look out to their self interest.. it IS their job! :headbang:

the thing i can't stand about american gov, is their disrespectful langauge...
they speak as if anyone not with them are terrorist or something... :mp5: :mp5:
where is the love... :fluffle:

:confused:

:(

Countries no longer only look out for their own self intrests, although it is still their main priority. Otherwise there would be no such think as the Kyoto agreement for example, and countries would not supply aid.
(BTW, go easy on the smilies)

i think its more.
The US supplys weapons all the times,often to dictatorships so our corporations can use the cheap labor or any other resourses they have.
the US has the most overly expensive millitary in the world,what kind of hyprocrits are they to say NO to someone else building up there millitary.

it keeps you safe

don't complain about things you cannot comprehend. if you honestly don't see the danger in Venezuela growing in military strength then you need to spend more time studying...not complaining.

I think they're more worried about President Putin then Chavez. Russia, though stagnent for years is emerging again as a military and political contender, considering the state department did this the last time Russia sold weapons, this may be a growing pattern.

And the US sets the stage to take out another south american government supported by the people and nto doing what the US wants. i wonder what dictator they are going to put in charge there

it keeps you safe

don't complain about things you cannot comprehend. if you honestly don't see the danger in Venezuela growing in military strength then you need to spend more time studying...not complaining.
i have one word for you: Pinochet.

We're such nosy busy-bodies.

And the US sets the stage to take out another south american government supported by the people and nto doing what the US wants. i wonder what dictator they are going to put in charge there
Yeah, real nice government. No freedom of the press, property seized from citizens and redistributed to buy votes, doctors and lawyers working as street vendors because they can't make any money at their chosen professions. Chavez is a real prince.

Yeah, real nice government. No freedom of the press, property seized from citizens and redistributed to buy votes, doctors and lawyers working as street vendors because they can't make any money at their chosen professions. Chavez is a real prince.
Property in some poorer countries is not the same as in the US, huge tracts of land belonging solely to the wealthy and the poorer people living on nothing. i'd vote for his ass too if he was doing that and i wasnt some rich jackass. why cant doctors and lawyers make any money and how is that chavez's fault?

Although I think we could all agree that the Venezuelan threat is pretty harmless compared to, say, North Korea or Pakistan. Some guns, some helicopters (you don't have those yet?), so what?

The real threat here is Russia's status as the global military Wal Mart.

Although I think we could all agree that the Venezuelan threat is pretty harmless compared to, say, North Korea or Pakistan. Some guns, some helicopters (you don't have those yet?), so what?

The real threat here is Russia's status as the global military Wal Mart.
speaking of which walmart probably has more weaponry than venezuela

speaking of which walmart probably has more weaponry than venezuelaLMAO! You're probably right. My money would be on Wal Mart if it came down to it.
Michael Moore would certainly agree.

I don't consider the Russians selling weapons to be a big deal, and I doubt it's the US Gov't reason for complaint in this matter. Russian military spending has been poor since 1990, really. Today, they and China *together* are only 27% of what the US spends on the military. And I doubt Russia is selling the Venezuelans the new stuff.

No, I rather see this as a backing of the Monroe Doctrine (the US doesn't like anybody in it's backyard. Look how Cuba has fared. Ditto Nicaragua.)

Columbia is maybe two steps ahead of Civil War at this point. :(

It's quite simple, ever since Chavez got elected, the US have been against any move he made, good or bad. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised that the US would object if Chavez annouced he would resign.

This situation is about the struggle between USA and Russia to dominate the global arms market, which didn't end with the cold war. Of course the USA is in the lead, which is a large part of the reason we Americans have so much nice stuff. It is ridiculous for any American to criticize another country's human rights record while USA doesn't guarantee something as basic as a right to shelter. It is ridiculous for any American to criticize another country's level of democracy while several of the most powerful positions in the US government are unelected. It is ridiculous for any American to criticize another government's sale of weapons to a foreign country considering USA's record of selling arms to brutal regimes. This criticism from the US government is economic strongholding, pure and simple.

Property in some poorer countries is not the same as in the US, huge tracts of land belonging solely to the wealthy and the poorer people living on nothing. i'd vote for his ass too if he was doing that and i wasnt some rich jackass. why cant doctors and lawyers make any money and how is that chavez's fault?
Taxation and efforts to redistribute income. He's driving out businesses. He's also squandering the money from oil exports. When the oil runs out Venezuela is going to be one of the poorest countries in the world.

Taxation and efforts to redistribute income. He's driving out businesses. He's also squandering the money from oil exports. When the oil runs out Venezuela is going to be one of the poorest countries in the world.

What by spending it on educational and health programmes for the poor?

Actually, I believe US oil is due to run out long before Venezuela's, which might explian why the US has such an interest in installing a new tinpot dictator whose only job is to say 'yes sir'.

Wasn't there a failed coup in Venezuela in April 2002? (Documentary- The Revolution Will Not Be Televised). President Hugo Chavez blamed the American government for the architect and the support of the failed coup. Therefore, buying armaments from other countries other than America may be the natural reaction of a suspicious government in Venezuela.

Some people will never be happy no matter what country X does, so it is best to ignore them.

By the way, the BBC also hates Jews.

Taxation and efforts to redistribute income. He's driving out businesses. He's also squandering the money from oil exports. When the oil runs out Venezuela is going to be one of the poorest countries in the world.
that really doesnt answer the question. why cant doctors and lawyers make any money. we have plenty of taxes here, and redistribution of wealth would allow MORE people to pay them. try explaining

that really doesnt answer the question. why cant doctors and lawyers make any money. we have plenty of taxes here, and redistribution of wealth would allow MORE people to pay them. try explaining
He's taking the redistribution of income to such an extreme that it's driving the rich and middle class out of the country. People who used to have high paying professional jobs do better by selling stuff and not paying taxes on the profits than in their skilled trades. It's a recipie for economic disaster.

I'm totally in favor of paying the poor a living wage and taxing the rich at a higher rate. I just don't think you should torpedo your economy in the process.

speaking of which walmart probably has more weaponry than venezuela
Walmart sells shotguns in the sporting goods departments. That's nothing compared to a military CS.

that really doesnt answer the question. why cant doctors and lawyers make any money. we have plenty of taxes here, and redistribution of wealth would allow MORE people to pay them. try explaining
Chavez isn't allowing them to receive anything resembling normal payment.

Walmart sells shotguns in the sporting goods departments. That's nothing compared to a military CS.
and there are far more than 1 walmart store

Yeah, real nice government. No freedom of the press, property seized from citizens and redistributed to buy votes, doctors and lawyers working as street vendors because they can't make any money at their chosen professions. Chavez is a real prince.
So? Venezuela is a democracy. If you don't like Chávez, he only has four more years (unless he's reelected) then you can vote him out. I assume you're Venezuelan because people from the US are always telling us "if you're not Amurrican shut up!" so I'm pretty sure they would be opining about the internal affairs of other countries.

I don't agree with many of Chávez's policies. But he has survived eight referenda. Referenda that, by the way, are possible thanks to the Consitution that he promoted.

So? Venezuela is a democracy. If you don't like Chávez, he only has four more years (unless he's reelected) then you can vote him out. I assume you're Venezuelan because people from the US are always telling us "if you're not Amurrican shut up!" so I'm pretty sure they would be opining about the internal affairs of other countries.

I don't agree with many of Chávez's policies. But he has survived eight referenda. Referenda that, by the way, are possible thanks to the Consitution that he promoted.

Thank you, someone with some sense here at least. :)

speaking of which walmart probably has more weaponry than venezuela

I'm not sure about more, but I find WalMart shoppers to be more ornery than your average Venezuelan...

So? Venezuela is a democracy. If you don't like Chávez, he only has four more years (unless he's reelected) then you can vote him out. I assume you're Venezuelan because people from the US are always telling us "if you're not Amurrican shut up!" so I'm pretty sure they would be opining about the internal affairs of other countries.

I don't agree with many of Chávez's policies. But he has survived eight referenda. Referenda that, by the way, are possible thanks to the Consitution that he promoted.
No, I just have Venezuelan friends. They tell me about the things Chavez is doing to their families back home.

No, I just have Venezuelan friends. They tell me about the things Chavez is doing to their families back home.
Then you should give them what a lot of pro-Americans give me, "If they don't like it, they can just leave." :rolleyes:

But seriously.. I really have nothing serious to say... :(