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Gay marriage should be banned. It says in the Bible that a man who lays with anothe man should be put to death. Insted librals want to let them get married. Letting gays get married is against gods law and violates freedom of religion. Gays are an abomination and god made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.

Hey, JHC! Did you make up that "Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve" thing? Cause I've been printing it on t-shirts to sell at revivals and rodeos and I think I might owe you some royalties.

Hey, JHC! Did you make up that "Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve" thing? Cause I've been printing it on t-shirts to sell at revivals and rodeos and I think I might owe you some royalties.
No I saw it on a sign at a protest.

Letting gays get married is against gods law

Irrelevent

and violates freedom of religion

How?

Why am I argueing with a troll?

If you want to follow everything the bible says about putting people to death, half the world would be killed every year

Gay marriage should be banned. It says in the Bible that a man who lays with anothe man should be put to death. Insted librals want to let them get married. Letting gays get married is against gods law and violates freedom of religion. Gays are an abomination and god made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.
So you mean god did not create my friend Steve ? if not he does not have to follow someone who did not create him (some other god must have made Steve’s)

I have a question for you religeous types. If it can be assumed that the creation theory is correct, and the entire human race started with Adam and Eve. Which of their sons (Cain or Able) had sex with Eve? Wouldn't that have been incest and forbidden by God? How else did the population grow? Just curious, because no one has ever been able to explain that to me.

Gay marriage should be banned. It says in the Bible that a man who lays with anothe man should be put to death.

And I was under the impression god taught peace and love, not hate.

Insted librals want to let them get married. Letting gays get married is against gods law and violates freedom of religion. Gays are an abomination and god made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.

Heh. Religion has been abused for centuries, as a method of CONTROL. By the way I'm Agnostic.

Oh yes, and I stamp this thread with my seal of trolling:

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Irrelevent



How?

Why am I argueing with a troll?
it's against freedom of religion becaus religious people shouldn't have to see God's laws broken. We shoudn't have to pay taxes to help break God's holy laws.

how about john and david. could THEY get married?

And I was under the impression god taught peace and love, not hate.



Heh. Religion has been abused for centuries, as a method of CONTROL. By the way I'm Agnostic.

Oh yes, and I stamp this thread with my seal of trolling:

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Read your bible

it's against freedom of religion becaus religious people shouldn't have to see God's laws broken. We shoudn't have to pay taxes to help break God's holy laws.
Christianity did not create marrige YOU STOLE IT!!!!

how about john and david. could THEY get married?

Apparently if you do you burn in somwhere called "Hell."

I think it's a cheap barbecue.

I have a question for you religeous types. If it can be assumed that the creation theory is correct, and the entire human race started with Adam and Eve. Which of their sons (Cain or Able) had sex with Eve? Wouldn't that have been incest and forbidden by God? How else did the population grow? Just curious, because no one has ever been able to explain that to me.
They didn't sleep with Eve. God made sure they had wives. you are a prevert

Read your bible

Ok.

*Gets out Satanic bible*

I have a question for you religeous types. If it can be assumed that the creation theory is correct, and the entire human race started with Adam and Eve. Which of their sons (Cain or Able) had sex with Eve? Wouldn't that have been incest and forbidden by God? How else did the population grow? Just curious, because no one has ever been able to explain that to me.

It is assumed that Adam and Eve had many children. Cain and Abel are the only ones mentioned because they are the only ones that did anything worth writing about (the first murder).

Read your bible
I did

it said "your breasts are like towers" or something to that effect

Are your teeth like a flock of sheep Jesus :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

how about john and david. could THEY get married?
Only to women

They didn't sleep with Eve. God made sure they had wives. you are a prevert
Is that mentioned anywhere in the bible? Where did they come from? Mail order perhaps?

it's against freedom of religion becaus religious people shouldn't have to see God's laws broken. We shoudn't have to pay taxes to help break God's holy laws.
surely forcing people to follow "God's laws" violates freedom of religion a million times more?

Or is that too obvious for some?

They didn't sleep with Eve. God made sure they had wives. you are a prevert
Oh really ... maybe they were really just gay :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

it's against freedom of religion becaus religious people shouldn't have to see God's laws broken. We shoudn't have to pay taxes to help break God's holy laws.

Oh, but freedom of religion somehow demands that we recognize the one right god and enforce his will on everyone? And how does paying tax support gay marriage? Do my tax dollars support traditional married couples?

Christianity did not create marrige YOU STOLE IT!!!!
The Jews created marriag.

it's against freedom of religion becaus religious people shouldn't have to see God's laws broken. We shoudn't have to pay taxes to help break God's holy laws.

No, it would be against freedom of religion is churches were taxed for the express purpose of financing gay marriages, or if churches were forced against their will to carryout gay marriages.

The point about God's laws is irrelevent. Otherwise I could argue I should not have to pay taxes because pacifism is in my religious beliefs and taxes go towards financing the army.

Only to women
why not ... sounds like you have a personal problem against steve

Oh, but freedom of religion somehow demands that we recognize the one right god and enforce his will on everyone? And how does paying tax support gay marriage? Do my tax dollars support traditional married couples?


He has a point here-God forgot poland!!!

They didn't sleep with Eve. God made sure they had wives. you are a prevert
Where abouts in the bible would I find that?

The Jews created marriag.
Nope wrong again ... was around before them as well :)

Oh really ... maybe they were really just gay :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:
Are you gay. Is that why you make fun of religion.

Actually, he/ she is not a pervert. If you follow the bible to the letter, then Cain and Abel slept with their sisters to reproduce. That's incest.

@Conceptualists: Right under the verse about the mother-sons three-way.

They didn't sleep with Eve. God made sure they had wives. you are a prevert
HOLY GOD IN HEAVEN!!! GENERAL RIPPER! CAN I HAVE YOUR AUTOGRAPH!!!!!!!! YOU'RE THE ONLY PERSON WHO USES THE WORD PREVERTS!!!!!!!

(for those who don't understand watch Dr. Strangelove: Or how I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb)

Are you gay. Is that why you make fun of religion.
Nope strait ... though I would not mind fluffling you
you are deffinatly religous enough to turn any man gay :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

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Nope wrong again ... was around before them as well :)
No The Jews were the first people. Adam and Eve were Jews.

Actually, he/ she is not a pervert. If you follow the bible to the letter, then Cain and Abel slept with their sisters to reproduce. That's incest.
Actually I am a bit of a pervert, but it was a serious question that none of my friends who profess to be religeous can answer.

No The Jews were the first people. Adam and Eve were Jews.
How so?

No The Jews were the first people. Adam and Eve were Jews.
Whats this eve? I thought god made steve ... now I am all confused

Oh whell adam was hot anyways :fluffle:

As a guy named "Steve", I must agree: I don't want to MARRY Adam, but I have to pretend I do or he'll stop giving me snuggles.

/me loves snuggles.

Hey JS...wanna snuggle?

Oh my word this tune is annoying
Yes I know it's really annoying
And I can't get this song out of my head
Make it stop this tune is annoying
And I got to go to work in the morning
Now I'm gonna be hummin' it in my bed

@Conceptualists: Right under the verse about the mother-sons three-way.

:eek:

This stuff should definatley have a warning sticker next to it

Actually I am a bit of a pervert, but it was a serious question that none of my friends who profess to be religeous can answer.
Say it prevert! We are in General Ripper's presence!

Now, I'm a Christian, but I'm more of a follower of the New Testament. By that I mean that it is virtually impossible to follow every single law in Leviticus. Here'a what I mean:

You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; such a thing is an abomination. - Leviticus 18:22

So this is the particular part that many people reference when trying to condemn homosexuality. But if you're going to follow one law from Leviticus, it's hypocritical to not follow the rest of them. I'm not going to bother posting more laws from it. Read it yourself. The laws were written to govern the behavior of people thousands of years ago. Times have changed. If there exists a single person who can obey every single law in Leviticus, that person deserves a cookie.

You all need to find Jesus. I'll pray for you.

No The Jews were the first people. Adam and Eve were Jews.

Forget the old puzzler about whether Adam and Eve had bellybuttons--what about Adam's foreskin? Yay? Nay? That's a melon-twister. If nay, who performed the bris?

Jesus saves but GOD RAVES!

*BOOM BOOM BOOM*

*SMITE SMITE SMITE*

The Jews created marriag.

No I created marriage

Forget the old puzzler about whether Adam and Eve had bellybuttons--what about Adam's foreskin? Yay? Nay? That's a melon-twister. If nay, who performed the bris?
The snake did the bris. Ouch.

Say it prevert! We are in General Ripper's presence!

We must protect our precious bodily fluids.

You all need to find Jesus. I'll pray for you.
How bout I find you in bed first :fluffle: we can play a game of naked hide and go seek! (that would be finding Jesus ... well Jesussaves anyways)

Actually I am a bit of a pervert, but it was a serious question that none of my friends who profess to be religeous can answer.


They probably sleep with their sisters too.

We must protect our precious bodily fluids.
Watch out for the flouride by only drinking rain water and pure grain alcohol!

And, we MUST NOT ALLOW A MINESHAFT GAP!!!!!!

You all need to find Jesus. I'll pray for you.

Hey, if someone DOES find him, tell him he still owes me 10 bucks.

To quote the simpsons:

"Think of the children! Oh won't somone pleeeeaasseee Think of the children!"

Marriage was started in ancient egypt to bind men to their women.

I'm not gay. I'm a sinner we all are but I'm not a gay sinner.

it's against freedom of religion becaus religious people shouldn't have to see God's laws broken

Solution: If you close your eyes and shut your mouth, everyone's a winner!

Solution: If you close your eyes and shut your mouth, everyone's a winner!
No he shouldent shut his mouth! its all warm ... and moist
*gets turned on*

WHY?!

WHY DID I CLICK THIS TOPIC?!

*flees*

Watch out for the flouride by only drinking rain water and pure grain alcohol!

I know, do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, and ice cream.

And, we MUST NOT ALLOW A MINESHAFT GAP!!!!!!

:D

I'm not gay. I'm a sinner we all are but I'm not a gay sinner.
Awww comeon PLEASE :fluffle:

I'm not gay. I'm a sinner we all are but I'm not a gay sinner.

What's the use of being a half-assed sinner? Go for the gusto!

Gay marriage should be banned. It says in the Bible that a man who lays with anothe man should be put to death. Insted librals want to let them get married. Letting gays get married is against gods law and violates freedom of religion. Gays are an abomination and god made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.

Hmmm... I love this.

1.) You are a troll that's probably being deliberately obtuse
2.) Yay! Let's focus more on silly laws and technicalities rather than salvation through faith! (btw, I'm an agnostic)
3.) Doesn't violate freedom of religion. However, if I wanted to, I could create a religion, make gay marriage compulsory, and use your reasoning to get it legal. Doesn't work. Gays should have equal rights, not more, not less, and THAT'S ALL. It's not too hard. They don't need special protection or anything like such.
4.) I have a hat!

I'm not gay. I'm a sinner we all are but I'm not a gay sinner.

Wait, but if we're all sinners, why are you so down on the gay ones? Is that somehow a worse sin? Are you more hellbound for being a gay sinner than a straight sinner?

I'm not gay. I'm a sinner we all are but I'm not a gay sinner.


Well then Jesussaves ... Jesus said to the angry mob wanting to stone a prostitute to death: "He who is without sin, cast the first stone".

His disciples were a bunch of single guys hanging together. My bet is they were all gay.

Wait, but if we're all sinners, why are you so down on the gay ones? Is that somehow a worse sin? Are you more hellbound for being a gay sinner than a straight sinner?
Nope nice thing about a death bed confessional

hhrrmmm...im wondering if you have ever heard of "separation of church and state". if you have, then why are you even posting. because just because the church says one thing doenst make it Law for the common people, what the government says is the Law. Not everyone believes in the Bible or the other Holy Books. Im not saying I don't respect your opinion, but all I am saying is that you can go ahead and live by your Holy Book, but dont persecute others because just because they dont live by YOUR Book.

You all need to find Jesus. I'll pray for you.


Found him! (http://www.fadetoblack.com/christ/yes.htm)

See if you can find him too! (http://www.fadetoblack.com/christ/christ2.htm)

Forget the old puzzler about whether Adam and Eve had bellybuttons--what about Adam's foreskin? Yay? Nay? That's a melon-twister. If nay, who performed the bris?

Circumcision wasn't given to Adam, it was given to Abraham much later on.

Genesis 17:10- "This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised."

Time to sin!

*Sleeps with married male family member while stealing gold chains from murdered neigbor*

I think I violated a lot there.

I know, do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, and ice cream.

Oh God no, those commie bastards...trying to take away children's ice cream! Prevert it like that. :eek:

You know where I first realized the evils of flouridation? I was, :D well, you know...

Time to sin!

*Sleeps with married male family member while stealing gold chains from murdered neigbor*

I think I violated a lot there.
Throw in having sex with the cat, and you're definately on the road to hell.

In God's big book of bad, ain't "troll" worse than "gay"? Unless of course, yer with the gay troll brigade. God sez those guys are really up shit creek.

Found him! (http://www.fadetoblack.com/christ/yes.htm)

See if you can find him too! (http://www.fadetoblack.com/christ/christ2.htm)

Is he the guy with the red and white stripey jumper?

I wonder if it ever occured to Jesussaves that the whole reason it wasn't "Adam and Steve", is because there were only two people on the planet - and one wasn't male? Would have put a dampner on any possible homoerotic urges Adam might have had.

Found him! (http://www.fadetoblack.com/christ/yes.htm)

See if you can find him too! (http://www.fadetoblack.com/christ/christ2.htm)
he looked like he was putting the moves on some chick :)

Is he the guy with the red and white stripey jumper?
No, he's wearing white with a crown of thorns.

he looked like he was putting the moves on some chick

Well you just can't keep a good messiah down.

Gay marriage should be banned. It says in the Bible that a man who lays with anothe man should be put to death. Insted librals want to let them get married. Letting gays get married is against gods law and violates freedom of religion. Gays are an abomination and god made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.


I'm working under the assumption that you are in the US, if you aren't, then please ignore this:

The Bible is not now, nor has it ever been, the basis of the American system of government. Rather, the US Consitution with its ideals of freedom, liberty, and equality for all is our guiding document. The Founders and the Framers saw to it that no one sect of any religion would ever control our government--indeed they were from many different groups themselves including Protestant Christian, Atheist, Deist, and Mason.

As such, what a Christian church believes about gay marriage should not and can not have bearing on what is a civil issue. The government cannot deny rights to a specific group of people without a compelling (and justifiable) reason and even then only through due process. Gay marriage offers no threat to American secular society, and as a result should and will be legal.

Regarding your freedom of religion arguement:

Perhaps you do not understnad that no religious organization will be forced to perform a marriage ceremony that they do not endorse. That is already the law. A minister can refuse to marry any two peopel he/she sees fit. What gay people are asking for is the civil rights and responsibilities of marriage that are granted by a marriage license and through a ceremony conducted by a judge or a justice of the peace. Since YOUR church will not be forced to perform--or even recognize--gay marriages, your Freedom of Religion is not being trampled upon.

Further, what of the religious sects that already support and perform gay marriages? Some Methodists, Episcopals, the Church of God, the Unitarian Univeralist Church, and the Universal Life Church already support and perform gay marriage ceremonies. It is their rights that are being trampled upon by a system that tells them that some of the marriages performed by them are invalid while all of the marriages from other, more socially conservative churchs, are granted civil rights. This is in direct violation of the Establishment clause as the government is effectively placing one religion's values higher than another with a compelling social reason.

Gorlog brings up the most important point, which is that the only place in the Bible homosexuality is explicitly condemned is Leviticus. Leviticus is the "old laws" which were imposed by the state and the Old Testament canon was replaced by New Testament law when Jesus came to Earth to save us.

Leviticus also says that man should not eat shellfish, take communion if s/he wears glasses or contacts, touch pork, or wear cotton/polyester blends. We don't see the Christian Right (which is neither) clamoring for laws to outlaw those things - which they would be if they'd actually read the Old Testament, taken it as their moral compass, and then asked for human law to reflect it.

By singling out this particular law, it is obvious that what's actually happened here is that homophobes are working backward from their intolerance, and abusing religion to justify their narrowminded hatred.

The "Christian Right" who advocate homophobia should remember, God made some of us gay for a reason. It is not our place to understand why, nor is it our place to judge (calling each "preverts" or whatnot). Jesus taught tolerance and inclusion. Those who abuse religion to rationalize intolerance rather than accepting and understanding will surely condemned to hell.

Gay marriage should be banned. It says in the Bible that a man who lays with anothe man should be put to death. Insted librals want to let them get married. Letting gays get married is against gods law and violates freedom of religion. Gays are an abomination and god made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.

Heh. Alan Partridge quotes... do you always use comedic quotes to push your point?

Why should anyone of sound mind care if it against God's law? I don't see his law written anywhere worth reading, or ordained by a legitimate authority, thus God's law is fallacy. Actually, scratch that, God is fallacy. If religious types don't agree with gay marriage, then don't marry someone of your own sex... it's your choice. But I think you'll find that not only is what goes on in a bedroom between consenting adults no business of the state, but it is also no business of such an illegitimate pseudo-authority as a church.

How on Earth does letting homosexuals marry violate freedom of religion!? It doesn't stop people from worshipping in their own way. If you hear of a homosexual couple, does it prevent you from worshipping your fictional deity? No it doesn't. By your logic, religion violates freedom of speech, because I shouldn't have to hear fascists such as the Church drilling their lies into congregation after congregation.

So the Bible says gays shouldn't marry... and thus it should be law!? You're crazy! By the very same token, should we legislate all of the other actions the Bible says are seriously wrong? How about touching a dead pig's skin... uh-oh there goes American Football. How about planting different crops side by side? How about wearing a garment made of different fabrics? How about letting us own slaves from neighbouring nations? How about selling our children into slavery? How about making contact with a women during 'menstrual uncleanliness'... should I ask every woman I meet beforehand? Should we be mandated to burn a bull to create a pleasing odour for the Lord, and should I smite those who complain about the smell? How about mandating us all to kill those whom we see working on the Sabbath? Should we be banned from eating shellfish? As a glasses-wearer, should I be banned from approaching an altar of God? Should we be banned from cutting the hair around our temples? Should we be forced to burn those of our family who sleep with their in-laws?


[EDIT: Number of posts tripled whilst I was writing that... not going to check them all to see if I've repeated parts of anyone's post though.]

I dont believe in God, however Gays should respect the Christian religion and just take the fact that its against "His" laws

why get married at all?

I dont believe in God, however Gays should respect the Christian religion and just take the fact that its against "His" laws

why get married at all?
For the gifts. ;)

I dont believe in God, however Gays should respect the Christian religion and just take the fact that its against "His" laws

why get married at all?


But religion doesn't have to respect gays?

I dont believe in God, however Gays should respect the Christian religion and just take the fact that its against "His" laws

why get married at all?
Why respect the Christian religion? They neither created nor hold sol rights to “marriage”