NationStates Jolt Archive

(First off, understand that this is NOT a personal attack, or trolling. I have no doubt that this thread will contain personal attacks and trolling, because Skap is posting in it, and lets face it, his viewpoints provoke this stuff. I am confident that the mods can deal with this without closing the entire thread.)

Okay, so you post all this stuff about evil Mr Bush, WalMart, police corruption and so forth.
So, lets assume for the duration of this thread that what you say is true.
Present us with a PLAN to do something about it, one not involving simply running into the Whitehouse and lynching Bush.
Give us a plan that wont result in total economic collapse, ruination and invasion by China/whoever.
I dont need a detailed point by point plan for domination, a general outline will suffice. Switching over to socialism isnt an easy proccess, I doubt America could do it in less than a century or two.

Switching over to socialism isnt an easy proccess, I doubt America could do it in less than a century or two.
Thats funny, cause most of Europe managed to do it within a handful of decades.


Funny how reality really works huh?

(First off, understand that this is NOT a personal attack, or trolling. I have no doubt that this thread will contain personal attacks and trolling, because Skap is posting in it, and lets face it, his viewpoints provoke this stuff. I am confident that the mods can deal with this without closing the entire thread.)

Okay, so you post all this stuff about evil Mr Bush, WalMart, police corruption and so forth.
So, lets assume for the duration of this thread that what you say is true.
Present us with a PLAN to do something about it, one not involving simply running into the Whitehouse and lynching Bush.
Give us a plan that wont result in total economic collapse, ruination and invasion by China/whoever.
I dont need a detailed point by point plan for domination, a general outline will suffice. Switching over to socialism isnt an easy proccess, I doubt America could do it in less than a century or two.
One way to wage a bloodless revolution would be if everyone refused to pay their taxes. Also a mass boycott of all the major corporations could help too. We also need people to actively disobey any law thats unconstitutional too-and teach kids to burn newspapers that spew govt propaganda and call into media outlets fax them email them write them relentlessly attacking them as biased pig liars that they are--Im sure theres other creative ways to fight back. Only accept things that empower the people

I dont know...

I maintain that the only thing corporate types and corrupt government officials understand is a bullet in the face from very close range.

always aim for their wallets--they live for money. Take it from them and they die

always aim for their wallets--they live for money. Take it from them and they die


I dont believe though that the americans have sufficient national character to endure anything for any greater good. Most americans are either greedy pigs or ignorant dupes.

The corporations have everyone by the balls and I dont think many people would be willing to boycott the things that they think are most imporant in their lives.

I dont believe though that the americans have sufficient national character to endure anything for any greater good. Most americans are either greedy pigs or ignorant dupes.

The corporations have everyone by the balls and I dont think many people would be willing to boycott the things that they think are most imporant in their lives.
Im not sure it matters for too much longer-everything is approaching an apocalyptic climax and in the not too distant future we'll all be begging to die

Im not sure it matters for too much longer-everything is approaching an apocalyptic climax and in the not too distant future we'll all be begging to die


Eh, I dont know about that...

Thats funny, cause most of Europe managed to do it within a handful of decades.


Funny how reality really works huh?
Europe did it because:
A) The population was receptive to it.
B) Post-war era and rebuilding led by government.
C) Societal norms more favorable to socialism and the welfare state.
D) Greater class divisons, less social mobility

Why US didn't:
A) Rugged Individualism
B) Very few class divisions, social mobility
C) No need for government to rebuild after WWII, everything was fine.

I dont believe though that the americans have sufficient national character to endure anything for any greater good. Most americans are either greedy pigs or ignorant dupes.
That's what we call rugged individualism :D

Who's MKULTRA?

Who's MKULTRA?
The messiah sent to liberate us all from G-Dubyah :D

Hmm.. you'll need a very swift talking democrat who everybody seem to love.

Then once his in power, start turning this country into a welfare country, increase taxes vs corporations, increase social, cut military.

Then hide the increasing figures from the public, and promote propaganda, about World Peace, a better economy, making the poor richer and the rich poorer, the middle class better.

Make all kinds of empty promises and be best friends with EU again.

Then create a secret police that would compound and jail all those who goes against your will. :D

Hmm.. you'll need a very swift talking democrat who everybody seem to love.

Then once his in power, start turning this country into a welfare country, increase taxes vs corporations, increase social, cut military.

Then hide the increasing figures from the public, and promote propaganda, about World Peace, a better economy, making the poor richer and the rich poorer, the middle class better.

Make all kinds of empty promises and be best friends with EU again.

Then create a secret police that would compound and jail all those who goes against your will. :D
A republican would be better. You just completely lost the element of suprise!

Everyone expects the democrats in congress to turn us into a welfare state, where in reality it would just be alot of stupidity, just like now under republican control. You've got to understand, it doesn't matter which sides of the p.c. you're on, politics in the U.S. suck. You could boil down the most important argument up there down to a coke vs. pepsi type argument.

Actually, that's a lie, I'm sure something important goes on up there...or I hope anyways...but simply put give the other party a false sense of security by making it look like you don't care and BAM only one party votes next election. It's the magic of America :D !

You have a point there! But usually it would be harder, because most Repubs tend to be more conservative.

Who's MKULTRA?

A (former?*) poster so renowned for his cutting and pasting of ultra-leftist skreeds from places like democracynow.com. He was also infamous for his poor ability to support his positions in debate** and his belife in conspiracy theories***.
His 1st incarnation was The Red Arrow, which at one point spawned a series of parody/mocking "Arrow" posters (Green Arrow, Mauve Arrow, etc.) That name was banned after ex-mod Steph resticted him to 1 cut and paste article per day, which he exceded.

*Don't know if he's still around. He hasn't been active in ages.
** In one memorable instance, he argued that corporations used coercive means because his father had told him that real life was just like the TV show the Sopranos.
*** MKULTRA was a reference to the conspiracy theory that the Ultra code breaking machines were somehow related to the CIA's "mind-control" experiments known as MKULTRA.

A (former?*) poster so renowned for his cutting and pasting of ultra-leftist skreeds from places like democracynow.com. He was also infamous for his poor ability to support his positions in debate** and his belife in conspiracy theories***.
His 1st incarnation was The Red Arrow, which at one point spawned a series of parody/mocking "Arrow" posters (Green Arrow, Mauve Arrow, etc.) That name was banned after ex-mod Steph resticted him to 1 cut and paste article per day, which he exceded.

*Don't know if he's still around. He hasn't been active in ages.
** In one memorable instance, he argued that corporations used coercive means because his father had told him that real life was just like the TV show the Sopranos.
*** MKULTRA was a reference to the conspiracy theory that the Ultra code breaking machines were somehow related to the CIA's "mind-control" experiments known as MKULTRA.

You wanna find MKULTRA, just look at Skapedroe. He/she/it is like the proverbial bad weed (no pun intended)...you can't get rid of it, no matter how hard you try.

Oh yeah, what was MKULTRA's plan for carrying this out, or did he just say take the richies money and have that as his plan?

MKULTRA is also a band, although I would probably think MKULTRA took his name from the conspiracy theory

MKULTRA is also a band, although I would probably think MKULTRA took his name from the conspiracy theory
That's a roger.

You wanna find MKULTRA, just look at Skapedroe. He/she/it is like the proverbial bad weed (no pun intended)...you can't get rid of it, no matter how hard you try.

Has Skapedroe said so. Last time that came up I thought he said no. MKULTRA was always open that he was TRA.

I would probably think MKULTRA took his name from the conspiracy theory

He confirmed as much when I asked him about it.

Has Skapedroe said so. Last time that came up I thought he said no. MKULTRA was always open that he was TRA.
He can't afford to admit who he is, however, Skapedroe has the same lack of logic, and posts massive copy/pastes from democracynow.

Once again, I restate:

MKULTRA/Skapedroe: What is your plan, and how does it work. Give us steps to bringing it into being!

from his posts on another forum i believe he has changed sides and is now fighting for the white man's truth against the corrupting influence of the negroes. Hail TRA our newest Aryan Brother!!!!!

Thats funny, cause most of Europe managed to do it within a handful of decades.


Funny how reality really works huh?
Wait, a thought occurs.
THE US AND EUROPE ARE DIFFERNT!
GASP! SHOCK!
As everybody else on this forum knows, the US political spectrum is skewed to the right, in Europe is skewed to the left. This did not occur overnight.
Amazing, that reality.


One way to wage a bloodless revolution would be if everyone refused to pay their taxes. Also a mass boycott of all the major corporations could help too. We also need people to actively disobey any law thats unconstitutional too-and teach kids to burn newspapers that spew govt propaganda and call into media outlets fax them email them write them relentlessly attacking them as biased pig liars that they are--Im sure theres other creative ways to fight back. Only accept things that empower the people
Well, first off you would have to convince people to stop paying taxes, because its going to be hard to find people to stop doing it first, and 'the massess' arent going to do it unless a large group of people start it.
Mass boycotting of large corporations...well, get people to beleive they dont like nice things for not much money. Anyway, if the major corporations go away, theres lots of not-quite-major corporations waiting to become major corporations.
Who decides which laws are unconstitutional? Obviously, people in general couldnt do it. They elected Bush, after all.
So, we burn newspapers, how big a step is it to books? I think that burning in general should be out of the question. Boycotting a newspaper would be better than burning it, plus people might actually try it, there are lots of newspapers.
If we only accepted things that empowered people there would be total havoc, I know your not Letilia, your not spouting anarcho-communist garbage, but if we only accept 'empowering' laws and such, well, how would we control traffic? (Just an example)

I've always admired TRA in all his varied forms. Kind of a dogged reminder of the US's brief flirtation with activism in the past. It good to know SOMEONE still has faith in grassroots movements. Right now, look at what has been said on this thread so far; no matter how true it may be, its deeply disturbing to hear that nobody thinks change is possible.

People have lost faith in their own ability to change things. We assume we need more money, more power, better connections, more time, etc. We'd need all these things just to HOPE for real change. If a company is caught defrauding hundreds of millions of dollars and injuring the public, perhaps a day is spent being annoyed at them. The company changes its name or symbol and goes about its business; nothing changes, no one is held accountable.

How many cases of government and corperate fraud have been uncovered in the last 4 years? How many of these cases have caused us to look at our system and question if it works of not? Why are more cases of fraud showing up every year and who reminds us that we should be concerned?

Corruption is a cancer that eats away at the vital organs of the state, it is insidious and deadly, it has killed more nations, crippled more governments, and destoryed more lives than war. Indeed, war frequently occurs because of corruption. The people, the very lifeblood of the state continue to feed that cancer, uncaring of the danger it represents, convinced that there is nothing they can do.

TRA, when I first got to NationStates, sparked in me that tiny memory of what it felt like to want to change things for the better. The feeling that we should not allow bad things to happen because of our laziness and cowardice.

The change that TRA belives we so desperately need can only happen through a grassroots movement on the outside with support from good people on the inside. The corruption in the system has too great a momentum for good people working from inside the system to stop it, they get railroaded, replaced, and crushed. And without the people on the inside supporting them, the grassroots movements seem like crazed hippies, worthless professional protestors who have little idea how the world works.

This two-level plan is vauge, yes, but it is the most assured way of getting the job done, equal support from within and without. You cannot change the system if you do not know how it works, nor can you change it without help from people not inside the system, people with nothing to lose by helping you.

Look at all the many successful fights for freedom/equality/revolution; the ones that are most successful are the ones who best used this approach.

How odd...when I think about it. The people I admire on NS are Eutrusca, TRA, and the Zep/Steph duo. What an odd combination.

Has Skapedroe said so. Last time that came up I thought he said no. MKULTRA was always open that he was TRA.


Skapadroe has admitted that he is MKULTRA on quite a few occasions.

One way to wage a bloodless revolution would be if everyone refused to pay their taxes. Also a mass boycott of all the major corporations could help too. We also need people to actively disobey any law thats unconstitutional too-and teach kids to burn newspapers that spew govt propaganda and call into media outlets fax them email them write them relentlessly attacking them as biased pig liars that they are--Im sure theres other creative ways to fight back. Only accept things that empower the people

Boycotting taxes could never bring about a welfare state. Where's the welfare going to come from?

Regardless, in order to con people into paying high enough taxes for a welfare state to occur, government would HAVE to spew out propaganda.

Thats funny, cause most of Europe managed to do it within a handful of decades.

Funny how reality really works huh?

If most of Europe is truly Socialist, then I'm a Keebler Elf.

Who's MKULTRA?
an incredibly sexy bitch! :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: (for MKULTRA)

bump for notice...

MKULTRA will probably try to reverse the Earth's shifting on its axis by Bush's ancestors trying to direct a ray from a giant crystal thru the center of the earth's core.

That's what we call rugged individualism :D
Corporatism is not individualism. It is more akin to communism.

MKULTRA will probably try to reverse the Earth's shifting on its axis by Bush's ancestors trying to direct a ray from a giant crystal thru the center of the earth's core.
classic...

Corporatism is not individualism. It is more akin to communism.
Corporatism may not be, but capitalism certainly is.