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Not the diabolical kind though. That is, they aren't telling me to burn down any buildings or kill people. More like snippets from conversations where I have no idea about the people or circumstances involved or lines from films (but from no films I can remember).

I think they are a bit like dreams with nothing to see, except they only last one clause. The reason I say they are like dreams is because it always happens when I am trying to get to sleep and am feeling very drowsy. Although they always startle me awake. Which is annoying to say the least.

Nothing sinister, just odd. Anyone else ever had this problem?

Dude, I would go see someone about this. Seriously, it could be a precursor of bad things.

Dude, I would go see someone about this. Seriously, it could be a precursor of bad things.
Like DID or something.

Yeah, I hear voices as well. I just don't, at the moment, give a fuck. I'm taking enough meds for now. Once I have my bigger problems evened out, I'll get the voices checked.

If they sound like they're coming from somewhere nearby, I think that's a symptom of a mental disorder. It depends how vivid they are.

I think they are a bit like dreams with nothing to see, except they only last one clause. The reason I say they are like dreams is because it always happens when I am trying to get to sleep and am feeling very drowsy. Although they always startle me awake. Which is annoying to say the least.

Nothing sinister, just odd. Anyone else ever had this problem?

It could be just your brain switching from normal thinking to dreaming. You might want to contact a professional to make sure though.

Not a problem. Simply your brain blurring the line between awake and asleep. Nothing to worry about, unless you start to hear them while you're completely alert.

The voices in my head tell me to peel their skin off and wear it as a hat.

I have had that problem befor but it went away after a couple of days. It is quite annoying though. Marijuana helps supress them I found.

I hate to worry you or anything, but that sounds like it might be a form of psychosis. Those are auditory hallicinations, which are one of the most common indicators of schizophrenia. It can also be caused by hallucinogens, sleep deprivation, and neurological ailments, but I doubt it would be any of those, since you'f know of the first two, and probably would have other notable symptoms for the last one. I have actually been doing research on this recently, since one of my closest friends might possibly be developing schizophrenia. If it had just happened once, it would not be considered a disorder or any type of problem. If it happens with regularity it is considered psychosis, but is not always accompanied by any form of impairment or distress.

Do not get alarmed or anything, but I highly recommend you see a psychiatrist, or at least a psychologist or neurologist about this.

Like DID or something.
Nope, not at all. It is a common misconception that schizophrenia entails multiple personalities, or that hallucinations of any type are part of DID (dissociative identity disorder). In actuality, they are completely different.

Yeah, I hear voices as well. I just don't, at the moment, give a fuck. I'm taking enough meds for now. Once I have my bigger problems evened out, I'll get the voices checked.
Good idea. Especially seeing as many schizophrenics do not take the antipsychotic medications anyways. As long as it is not impairing, and you ahve other problems to deal with, you should focus on what you consider as most potentially threatening.

It could be just your brain switching from normal thinking to dreaming. You might want to contact a professional to make sure though.
The only thing I'm aware of that is like that is hypnogogia, which he certainly would not confuse with anything else.

Not the diabolical kind though. That is, they aren't telling me to burn down any buildings or kill people. More like snippets from conversations where I have no idea about the people or circumstances involved or lines from films (but from no films I can remember).

I think they are a bit like dreams with nothing to see, except they only last one clause. The reason I say they are like dreams is because it always happens when I am trying to get to sleep and am feeling very drowsy. Although they always startle me awake. Which is annoying to say the least.

Nothing sinister, just odd. Anyone else ever had this problem?
I see that no one here has thought of paranormal reasons. Don't worry, Conceptualists, I also have this problem every night --but then, I know of my psychic 'Talents' (as Anne McCaffrey puts it) and know of the problem. I'm an Empath, and can only "read minds" if said mind is shouting to me --or when I'm about to fall asleep. (I agree - it's annoying until I put up my shields.)

If you want to, send a telegram about it, and we'll chat.... or email, if that makes you happier.

Oh, and to the others: The source of my voices does come from a bioneurological condition that I was born with: Attention Deficit Disorder. I happen to be sensitive to my environment, which is why the Empathy has always been with me. And yes, this happens even when I do take my medication, so don't try to patronize me.

I see that no one here has thought of paranormal reasons. Don't worry, Conceptualists, I also have this problem every night --but then, I know of my psychic 'Talents' (as Anne McCaffrey puts it) and know of the problem. I'm an Empath, and can only "read minds" if said mind is shouting to me --or when I'm about to fall asleep. (I agree - it's annoying until I put up my shields.)
Oh, come now. Let's steer clear of parapsychology. This could be a symptom of something that is more than your fanciful empathy, for both of you. But, as long as it does not impair you, both should be fine, though, again, I highly recommend visiting a psychitrist to make sure it is not strictly limited to auditory hallucinations, since there are other things that can accompany such things.

your brain can pick up signals from tv, radio and even other peoples thoughts.... perhaps this is where the answer lies.

I wouldnt be too worried until they speak directly to you.

your brain can pick up signals from tv, radio and even other peoples thoughts.... perhaps this is where the answer lies.
Well, no, it can't. The brain can not interpret radio waves or any such thing. People's thoughts are not broadcast anywhere, they are chemo-electric occurances in the brain.

The only thing I'm aware of that is like that is hypnogogia, which he certainly would not confuse with anything else.

*looks up hypnogogia on wikipedia*

No, I didn't mean that. I just meant the way thinking turns into a sort of dreaming. I get that, and it does end with me suddenly jolting and waking up. But it's more like dreams than hallucinations.

Oh, come now. Let's steer clear of parapsychology. This could be a symptom of something that is more than your fanciful empathy, for both of you. But, as long as it does not impair you, both should be fine, though, again, I highly recommend visiting a psychitrist to make sure it is not strictly limited to auditory hallucinations, since there are other things that can accompany such things.
You were warned --don't try to patronize me. I am seeing a psychiatrist about my ADD, thankyouverymuch! As I said, I am sensitive to my environment --so much so that I can sense the emotions of people around me. Just because you don't have the Talent doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

and I do understand what s/he's going through as I hear the mental voices of my neighbors EVERY NIGHT! It is annoying until I raise my own mental shields to block them out. :mad:

If you are hearing voices in your head and the voices arent yours go and talk to a GP- who will probably refer you to a psychiatrist.
Ooh while you are on- how you holding up without the ciggies?

Well, no, it can't. The brain can not interpret radio waves or any such thing. People's thoughts are not broadcast anywhere, they are chemo-electric occurances in the brain.
It would be cool, though. Or maybe not, soon everything in your head would be advertisements.

Well, no, it can't. The brain can not interpret radio waves or any such thing. People's thoughts are not broadcast anywhere, they are chemo-electric occurances in the brain.

well maybe its just my brain then, because I can. I dont care to convicne you though. I've actually dreamt about the future EXACTLY how it was going to turn out as well. You can deny it all you wish but there are those that can read minds and it has been proven.

and I do understand what s/he's going through as I hear the mental voices of my neighbors EVERY NIGHT! It is annoying until I raise my own mental shields to block them out.[/font][/color] :mad:
Anything juicy about your neighbours? C'mon, you can tell us.

Eh, yeah, I would sure love to know how a brain that developed from nature can not only recieve, but even INTERPRET a manmade signal transmitted via lightwave that not even our eyes can detect. ;)

Nope, not at all. It is a common misconception that schizophrenia entails multiple personalities, or that hallucinations of any type are part of DID (dissociative identity disorder). In actuality, they are completely different.
Ah, I reread what Conceptualists said, and realized he isn't talking about the same thing as I am.
With me, it's like speaking to another person, who responds. And it happens while I'm awake.

Well, no, it can't. The brain can not interpret radio waves or any such thing. People's thoughts are not broadcast anywhere, they are chemo-electric occurances in the brain.
I suppose you don't believe in a person's aura either, which is the body's own electromagnetic field?

Try again, Gnostikos. My sensitivity is a known symptom of ADD, if you'll go look at www.brainplace.com and read what Dr. Amen* has to say.


*no, I'm not making that up. He's the one who found six different types of ADD.

You were warned --don't try to patronize me. I am seeing a psychiatrist about my ADD, thankyouverymuch! As I said, I am sensitive to my environment --so much so that I can sense the emotions of people around me. Just because you don't have the Talent doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

and I do understand what s/he's going through as I hear the mental voices of my neighbors EVERY NIGHT! It is annoying until I raise my own mental shields to block them out. :mad:

dont worry about him/her.... lots of people have a hard time believing in shit like that.

I myself have a hard time blocking out other peoples thoughts as well sometimes. Most of the time I can't pick them up at all though.

No, I didn't mean that. I just meant the way thinking turns into a sort of dreaming. I get that, and it does end with me suddenly jolting and waking up. But it's more like dreams than hallucinations.
But the brain does not go directly from consciousness to REM a large majority of the time. There are other steps in between, and you can't dream before you reach REM.

Ah, I reread what Conceptualists said, and realized he isn't talking about the same thing as I am.
With me, it's like speaking to another person, who responds. And it happens while I'm awake.


what kinda of conversations do you have?

For those who believe in paranormal explanations, I think it's worth me directing you to this (if you're right you could win some money, but I doubt it):

At JREF, we offer a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show, under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event. The JREF does not involve itself in the testing procedure, other than helping to design the protocol and approving the conditions under which a test will take place.....To date, no one has ever passed the preliminary tests.

http://www.randi.org/research/index.html

dont worry about him/her.... lots of people have a hard time believing in shit like that.

I myself have a hard time blocking out other peoples thoughts as well sometimes. Most of the time I can't pick them up at all though.
Telegraph me, and I'll teach you how to raise mental shields.

Oh, I'm not worried about him at all. If he doesn't believe scientific evidence for my Empathy, that's his loss! ;)

<going into Southern Dialect> Thank yew fer your support! </southern off> :)

But the brain does not go directly from consciousness to REM a large majority of the time. There are other steps in between, and you can't dream before you reach REM.

I'm just saying what happens to me sometimes. I'm not saying it's actual dreaming, I think it's just my brain slowing down or something. It may or may not be relevant.

what kinda of conversations do you have?
Anything.
Usually I don't even notice what I've been doing for a while, until I realize that I'm not talking to another person.

Seriously I have the same thing, I'm not sure what it is but everyonce in a while when I'm in a quiet room I here people talking for a few seconds or someone call someone's name that I have never heard before like amelia or something. It's weird.

I suppose you don't believe in a person's aura either, which is the body's own electromagnetic field?

Try again, Gnostikos. My sensitivity is a known symptom of ADD, if you'll go look at www.brainplace.com and read what Dr. Amen* has to say.


*no, I'm not making that up. He's the one who found six different types of ADD.


I met a shaman and a few of his apprentices that can see auras. I was following some of their techniques that help you develope this ability and can slightly see them as well now.

I also knew a girl who had seen them all her life without having to do any techniques. She was awesome and could always tell what mood you were in directly upon seeing you from far away and wierd shit like that.

For those who believe in paranormal explanations, I think it's worth me directing you to this (if you're right you could win some money, but I doubt it):



http://www.randi.org/research/index.html
Oh, I've known of that, and I could prove him wrong in a few hours. Problem is, you have to go to him first, and being a college student, I'm short of funds right now.


But my sensitivity is explained by Dr. Amen. *smug*

I'm aghast. I've never encountered anyone with said "problems". The closest I've ever even come to is meeting a few somnambulists. If I had any of these things going on, I would totally tell people...

...then again, I have severe OCD, and it's not like I'm rushing up to tell people about how I am masterfully methodical despite it's self detriment.

So ya... You guys completely impress me, whether your assertions of special abilities (or "problems") prove true or not. I always have been intrigued by the subconscious and the intricacies of neurology, and yet, the rationalist in me often has trouble believing people who talk of their experiences.

Nonetheless, I am eager to read on and learn, as apparently these things are far more widespread than it first appears.

Good luck to all with their own personal problems/powers, and remember --- you die anyways. :D

Anything.
Usually I don't even notice what I've been doing for a while, until I realize that I'm not talking to another person.
We all have conversations like that. It's a way that help us humans to organize out thoughts and come to conclusions for some issues.
Oh, yeah! They can get quite involved.

Eh, yeah, I would sure love to know how a brain that developed from nature can not only recieve, but even INTERPRET a manmade signal transmitted via lightwave that not even our eyes can detect. ;)

good question... maybe I am just picking up on teh thoughts of someone listening to a radio, or watching a tv perhaps

It's called rampant paranoia :p It happens to me when I have had too much caffeine or sugar before bed, I just think I hear people, or my mind says random things I heard during the day. It's annoying, but treatable.

I would say you are gaining clairvoyant powers, but since it only happens when you're trying to sleep, it's more likely your mind being silly.

I don't know about only hearing voices when you go to sleep, but if one hears voices normally that sounds like schitzophrenia.

Telegraph me, and I'll teach you how to raise mental shields.

Oh, I'm not worried about him at all. If he doesn't believe scientific evidence for my Empathy, that's his loss! ;)

<going into Southern Dialect> Thank yew fer your support! </southern off> :)



shit I gotta go home right now but yeah I would liek to hear your techniques.

I knwo some techniques myself but have such a busy mind sometimes that I cannot calm myself down enough to follow thru with them.

We all have conversations like that. It's a way that help us humans to organize out thoughts and come to conclusions for some issues.
Oh, yeah! They can get quite involved.
No, it's not like that. I know that sort of talking to yourself.
THis is different. It's almost as though I were sharing a body with somebody else or something like that.

Of course, now everybody will think I'm crazy...
:(

Seriously I have the same thing, I'm not sure what it is but everyonce in a while when I'm in a quiet room I here people talking for a few seconds or someone call someone's name that I have never heard before like amelia or something. It's weird.
Yup, just like when you start seeing faces in the bathroom tiles or find shapes in clouds. Your brain is trying to organize the information around it, visual or aural. Especially when there's not that much input the brain becomes bored and very inventive.

No, it's not like that. I know that sort of talking to yourself.
THis is different. It's almost as though I were sharing a body with somebody else or something like that.

Of course, now everybody will think I'm crazy...
:(


no no no no... I've thought you were crazy for some time now! :p

I think I know what you mean but there are so many realities that I can aonly assume.

You might have some sort of "possession" thing going on. Sometiems our dead loved ones hang on to us after death for support because they are scared or dont want to let go. Sometimes its something else and sometiems yer just crazy :D

No, it's not like that. I know that sort of talking to yourself.
THis is different. It's almost as though I were sharing a body with somebody else or something like that.

Of course, now everybody will think I'm crazy...
:(
Meh, this is the general forum on NS, I wouldn't worry about that. It still relatively normal. In the old days people thought they were possessed. Now we know it's just our brains, which are much more complex than we think, not synchronizing well. Unless it gets very annoying or impedes you in some way I wouldn't worry about it.

And if you're going to develop some sort of mental power, try to make it something useful, like coming up with the lottery numbers, winning horses, or stock movements. Reading other people's minds is just useless.

But my sensitivity is explained by Dr. Amen. *smug*

That man is a total quack.

(I'm still open to believing you, though, I just despise that idiot. Religious neuroscientist who believes in freewill --- my ass.)

We all have conversations like that. It's a way that help us humans to organize out thoughts and come to conclusions for some issues.
Oh, yeah! They can get quite involved.
I know what you're saying, and yes, I have those too.... but the voices I hear are not mine. As I said before, it's something I've found a workaround to, just so I can keep my sanity.


Oh, Saipea: I like John Lennon's version:
"Last night, the wife said
'Oh, boy, when you're dead,
You don't take nothin' with you but your soul --THINK!"

(From "The Ballad of John & Yoko", recorded by the Beatles)

Not the diabolical kind though. That is, they aren't telling me to burn down any buildings or kill people. More like snippets from conversations where I have no idea about the people or circumstances involved or lines from films (but from no films I can remember).

I think they are a bit like dreams with nothing to see, except they only last one clause. The reason I say they are like dreams is because it always happens when I am trying to get to sleep and am feeling very drowsy. Although they always startle me awake. Which is annoying to say the least.

Nothing sinister, just odd. Anyone else ever had this problem?

I've had this same problem before, and it's not caused by some mental or neurological defect I know of. My memory is normal in most aspects, but I have an excellent auditory memory. For example, I haven't owned any kind of music player beyond a radio for several years because I can hear a song a few times, then replay it exactly as I heard it, only in my mind.

But, as for the voices, sometimes I'll hear parts of a conversation in class, or when I'm walking around campus, and I'll hear those pieces later when I get tired or try to go to sleep. I realized this only after I connected something I heard with the people who had been talking. The reason that I remember them when I'm almost asleep is something to do with unconscious memory and the state your mind is in before you sleep. I'm not sure about that, though.

Oh, I've known of that, and I could prove him wrong in a few hours. Problem is, you have to go to him first, and being a college student, I'm short of funds right now.


But my sensitivity is explained by Dr. Amen. *smug*
Your too short on money to win a million bucks? Sounds like BS to me. Why hasn't any one else with your talent won yet either? I don't completely dismiss the "paranormal" but you have to give me some good proof before I believe you.

[color=indigo]I know what you're saying, and yes, I have those too.... but the voices I hear are not mine. As I said before, it's something I've found a workaround to, just so I can keep my sanity.

Or perhaps it's yours. Just not an aspect of your personality you're not used to seeing. Some recent research on schizophrenia seem to suggest that the brain carries on several housekeeping and parallel activities along with the main stream of conciousness. Sometimes these other tasks can run "out of phase", a bit like a radio out of tune picking two stations at once. Hence you can think you're hearing someone else's voice.

You were warned --don't try to patronize me. I am seeing a psychiatrist about my ADD, thankyouverymuch! As I said, I am sensitive to my environment --so much so that I can sense the emotions of people around me. Just because you don't have the Talent doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
I don't remember being warned, but ok. I wouldn't've heeded it anyways, oh wrathful Vengeance!

And I fail to see your point about ADD. I have ADD as well, though I'm not sure why you would need to see a psychiatrist other than for pharmacological check-ups, which is how it is with me. But everyone's different. And yes, sensitivity to one's environment is certainly not a supernatural thing. Empathy in the sociological and psychological sense is nothing remarkable, there are certainly people who can sense others' emotions, primarily through sociological, physiological, and pheromonal indicators. And I don't believe that Anne McCaffrey meant for her novels to be used this way, though who am I to judge her intent?

and I do understand what s/he's going through as I hear the mental voices of my neighbors EVERY NIGHT! It is annoying until I raise my own mental shields to block them out. :mad:
Yes, and it is fully possible that you too are experiencing auditory hallicinations. It is rare, but I suspect that NationStates attracts more eccentric personae than is common in society. Not to discriminate, I'm pretty fecking crazy myself.

well maybe its just my brain then, because I can. I dont care to convicne you though. I've actually dreamt about the future EXACTLY how it was going to turn out as well. You can deny it all you wish but there are those that can read minds and it has been proven.
Could you show me the objective scientific publications that have proven mind-reading? Because I'd be very interested if research like that had been done. And when one gets into persudaing onself of things and quantum mechanics, it starts getting a little odd. But that is a compeltely separate thing from hearing voices. I do like, however, that you consider the possibility that it is all in your own brain, skepticism is a very attractive trait.

Ah, I reread what Conceptualists said, and realized he isn't talking about the same thing as I am.
With me, it's like speaking to another person, who responds. And it happens while I'm awake.
Though they may be different, I believe those area actually related. Things like that are very typical of schizophrenics.

I suppose you don't believe in a person's aura either, which is the body's own electromagnetic field?
Could you define what you mean by "aura" for me? Just to make sure I don't misinterprety what you said.

Try again, Gnostikos. My sensitivity is a known symptom of ADD, if you'll go look at www.brainplace.com and read what Dr. Amen* has to say.


*no, I'm not making that up. He's the one who found six different types of ADD.
I looked briefly, but as a long-time "sufferer" of ADD, I don't feel that I need to spend my time examining whatever he has to say about it. I have learned quite a lot, not only about its psychological parts, but also the neurological and evolutionary aetiological parts.

dont worry about him/her.... lots of people have a hard time believing in shit like that.

I myself have a hard time blocking out other peoples thoughts as well sometimes. Most of the time I can't pick them up at all though.
Oh, I don't have a hard time believing it. I do not rule out at all that parapsychology might be right. But when we're talking about someone's mental health, I'd rather stick to the knowns than the guesses. And we know about neuropsychology, we don't know much about parapsychology.

In fact, one sign of mental illness is not being able to question whether one is mentally ill or not. I'm not trying to be condescending or anything, just to clarify this. I am trying to be as objective as possible and share what I know with others who it might benefit. I do not look down at the crazies, I'd have to look down my own nose to be high enough.

That man is a total quack.

(I'm still open to believing you, though, I just despise that idiot. Religious neuroscientist who believes in freewill --- my ass.)
:mad:

Okay then --it was also explained in Driven to Distraction, which was written by a medical doctor who also has this Condition. (I refuse to call it a "disorder" as that word has the connotation that something is wrong with me. My mind is just wired different from everyone else's, that's all.) I also take the tags off of every shirt I own, simply 'cause I can't stand them scratching my neck. I'm just saying that my sensitivity goes all the way to the psychic level; I need my Empathy to not only help me stay sane, and my therapists --all of them (I've had a few different ones 'cause I've moved from one US state to another) believe me when I mention my psychic Talents. In fact, my first therapist encouraged me to work on them simply because the discipline helped me control my emotions.... *smug* :)

Could you define what you mean by "aura" for me? Just to make sure I don't misinterpret what you said.
Aura: The electromagnetic field that every human body puts out.

Ever have the sense that someone was invading your "personal space" behind you? Or have you disliked someone when you first met them? That's two examples of reacting to an aura --either your own or another's. Not everyone can see them; I can't. But I can sense them --and ID a person without ever seeing a picture of them just from their aura. I've startled a few people that way..... :D

p.s. to Gnostikos: Did you read Dr. Amen's book?

Oh, I'm not worried about him at all. If he doesn't believe scientific evidence for my Empathy, that's his loss! ;)
I still fail to see any evidence for parapsychology that you have offered.

I met a shaman and a few of his apprentices that can see auras. I was following some of their techniques that help you develope this ability and can slightly see them as well now.
That is actually a problem, I believe, since I have the same thing. I see things that I can't quite describe chronically. It's not debilitating, though it can get annoying at times.

But my sensitivity is explained by Dr. Amen. *smug*
Ah, I see. You're just trying to make yourself feel superior to others, by saying you have things like "Talent".

We all have conversations like that. It's a way that help us humans to organize out thoughts and come to conclusions for some issues.
Oh, yeah! They can get quite involved.
Many people I've talked to are like that, but I've never done so. I've tried our of curiosity, but I just can't.

THis is different. It's almost as though I were sharing a body with somebody else or something like that.
Wait...that actually sounds like it might be DID, now that you added that part. I don't know much about it, however.

But, as for the voices, sometimes I'll hear parts of a conversation in class, or when I'm walking around campus, and I'll hear those pieces later when I get tired or try to go to sleep. I realized this only after I connected something I heard with the people who had been talking. The reason that I remember them when I'm almost asleep is something to do with unconscious memory and the state your mind is in before you sleep. I'm not sure about that, though.
That's completely different, however.

:mad:

Okay then --it was also explained in Driven to Distraction, which was written by a medical doctor who also has this Condition. (I refuse to call it a "disorder" as that word has the connotation that something is wrong with me. My mind is just wired different from everyone else's, that's all.)
So, since a MD wrote it, now it is to be widely accepted? Does work that way. And you should watch out for that egotism...

Well this thread seems to have taken an odd turn to say the least. And as much as I would like to have a 'condition/talent' I think it is far more mundane. I think I'll leave it a bit to see if it isn't caused by external factors or if it doesn't get any worse.

It was just a bit disconcerting.

Your too short on money to win a million bucks? Sounds like BS to me. Why hasn't any one else with your talent won yet either? I don't completely dismiss the "paranormal" but you have to give me some good proof before I believe you.
Go back and read the rules: You have to go to HIM to apply. He's in NY; I'm in FL.....

Now you see why I said that? It takes time and money for me to get to him, and I don't have much of either to spare at the moment. I only came into this thread because I know of the problem!

Aura: The electromagnetic field that every human body puts out.
Ok. Though I suspect that you are exaggerating the emotional part of that and not really heeding the fundamental electroweak force.

Ever have the sense that someone was invading your "personal space" behind you? Or have you disliked someone when you first met them? That's two examples of reacting to an aura --either your own or another's. Not everyone can see them; I can't. But I can sense them
Oh, I certainly know what you're talking about. However, I believe that there are perfectly reasonable explanations for that, we just haven't found them yet. We used to not understand how it was that the earth could shake as it does, or why it was that water fell from the sky. We now have seismology and hydrology, and it's not longer mystical to those who bother to learn. Same thing with what we regard as paranormals events. However, first impressions are certainly explained, the human mind immediately analyses things when it sees them and determines many prejudiced things, from things like appearance, pheromones, expressions, etc.

p.s. to Gnostikos: Did you read Dr. Amen's book?
I hadn't even heard of him. What is it that he has theorised that you so seem to like so much?

Go back and read the rules: You have to go to HIM to apply. He's in NY; I'm in FL.....

Now you see why I said that? It takes time and money for me to get to him, and I don't have much of either to spare at the moment. I only came into this thread because I know of the problem!
Anyone who "knew" they could win that would take a week off from whatever they were doing, borow some money if they had to, and win. You then could go back a million bucks richer to whatever you were doing. Whatever money you borowed to get there would be moot compared to 1 million.

On a side note, I have always wondered where you got your name, Gnostikos. Have you already explained, and if not would you care to?

So, since a MD wrote it, now it is to be widely accepted? Does work that way. And you should watch out for that egotism...
You must have acquired your ADD, much like Robin Williams did (yes, he has it too). I'm different in that I was born with this "disorder"; I inherited it from my mother, who inherited it from her mother. I have been officially diagnosed by two psychiatrists - and a third one noticed my "condition" as she saw me. Besides that, I have been under the care of a MD who also had ADD --and kept me from harming my own heart as he treated me for Strep. IF he had not come in and explained to me exactly what Step does to the heart, I would have a heart problem down the road. Don't you see? You are the one who doesn't understand, not I.

I cannot help being hyperactive. Egotism? HA. I am no more an egotist than a professor in an university. I know what I have experienced, what I have learned from talking to others --and I have sucessfully guided others to understand their own unique Talents.

It's your loss if you don't believe me. Not mine.

I, too, am going to leave this thread alone, since the disbelievers outnumber me. I know where I am not wanted.
:headbang:

Well this thread seems to have taken an odd turn to say the least. And as much as I would like to have a 'condition/talent' I think it is far more mundane. I think I'll leave it a bit to see if it isn't caused by external factors or if it doesn't get any worse.

It was just a bit disconcerting.
Sounds like a good idea. However, keep on the look-out for other things you might consider unnatural, though it is indeed true that it is very difficult to diagnose oneself with mental disorders. If you experience any of the following: delusions, other types of hallucinations (visual, olfactory, gustatory, tactile, or mixed), disorganized speech, grossly disorganized or catatonic behaviour, affective flattening (lack or decline in emotional response), alogia (lack or decline in speech), avolition (lack or decline in motivation), or social or occupational dysfunction, you might be developing schizophrenia. Just be careful and observant.

I, too, am going to leave this thread alone, since the disbelievers outnumber me. I know where I am not wanted.
:headbang:
If you would just give us some solid proof of your talent you would get a lot less skepticism and a lot more respect.

You were warned --don't try to patronize me. I am seeing a psychiatrist about my ADD, thankyouverymuch! As I said, I am sensitive to my environment --so much so that I can sense the emotions of people around me. Just because you don't have the Talent doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

and I do understand what s/he's going through as I hear the mental voices of my neighbors EVERY NIGHT! It is annoying until I raise my own mental shields to block them out. :mad:


I liek teh purple.

Sounds like a good idea. However, keep on the look-out for other things you might consider unnatural, though it is indeed true that it is very difficult to diagnose oneself with mental disorders.

I know. I went to Nation Institute of Mental Health website and 'found' [ahem] I had nearly every mental disorder [NB: As a disclaimer, I don't really think I do].

If you experience any of the following: delusions, other types of hallucinations (visual, olfactory, gustatory, tactile, or mixed), disorganized speech, grossly disorganized or catatonic behaviour, affective flattening (lack or decline in emotional response), alogia (lack or decline in speech), avolition (lack or decline in motivation), or social or occupational dysfunction, you might be developing schizophrenia. Just be careful and observant.
Thanks. I try and be vigilant [sorry, just love that word]

Although what do you mean by olfactory/gustatory/tactile hullucinations.

Sounds like a good idea. However, keep on the look-out for other things you might consider unnatural, though it is indeed true that it is very difficult to diagnose oneself with mental disorders. If you experience any of the following: delusions, other types of hallucinations (visual, olfactory, gustatory, tactile, or mixed), disorganized speech, grossly disorganized or catatonic behaviour, affective flattening (lack or decline in emotional response), alogia (lack or decline in speech), avolition (lack or decline in motivation), or social or occupational dysfunction, you might be developing schizophrenia. Just be careful and observant.
When the black helicopters are always hovering above you, the masters of the Zarquon galaxy are sneding you mental commands through your toaster, and you have little metal implants from an experimental government procedure to make supersoldiers, that's sometimes a warning sign too.

I agree it's probably just a blurring of the border between sleep and waking.

But I don't mention stuff like that to my shrink, he always wants to change my meds. :p

You must have acquired your ADD, much like Robin Williams did (yes, he has it too). I'm different in that I was born with this "disorder"; I inherited it from my mother, who inherited it from her mother.
Wow, well it's kind of funny in that true ADD can not be developed. There are neurological properties, as in there are holes (if I recall) in the prefrontal lobes, which are present in everyone with ADD. So I really don't see how it's possible that I developed it. And, for your information, my father has ADD, though it was never officially diagnosed, and he's managed to deal with it on his own, and I have other close relatives with ADD as well.

I have been officially diagnosed by two psychiatrists - and a third one noticed my "condition" as she saw me.
Sorry, but just what is it that you're trying to prove? You're trying to make it such a big deal that you have ADD, it really isn't something you just go around saying "I HAVE ADD!!!". In fact, no-one with any disorders should be doing that, unless it's actually pertinent. Such as going near flashing lights if you have epilepsy. ADD is a part of you, and I really can not understand your constant repetition of that fact.

Besides that, I have been under the care of a MD who also had ADD --and kept me from harming my own heart as he treated me for Strep. IF he had not come in and explained to me exactly what Step does to the heart, I would have a heart problem down the road. Don't you see? You are the one who doesn't understand, not I.
What is "Step"? I've never heard of that.

I cannot help being hyperactive.
Who even mentioned hyperactivity? And I take it you have ADHD, then. And, finally, you can indeed. You have to manage to control it. Otherwise you are just a pathetic person who wants preferential treatment. Though I guess ti doesn't matter much, since you seem to think yourself above the cut.

Egotism? HA. I am no more an egotist than a professor in an university. I know what I have experienced, what I have learned from talking to others --and I have sucessfully guided others to understand their own unique Talents.
And the possibility of mental derrangement is not possible? Despite your subjective existence. And, yes, you are indeed egotistical. You demonstrate very strong qualities of that vein.

It's your loss if you don't believe me. Not mine.
Or perhaps it's your loss if you refuse to believe me?

I, too, am going to leave this thread alone, since the disbelievers outnumber me. I know where I am not wanted.
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No, you are not unwanted. I though we were having an intelligent discussion on parapsychology...you're apparently a little touchy...

But the brain does not go directly from consciousness to REM a large majority of the time. There are other steps in between, and you can't dream before you reach REM.


Ah, but what about the common explaination for people who claim to undergo alien abduction. (You know sleep paralysis + auditory and visual haulicinations.)

In other words, people can "dream" outside of REM,

I know. I went to Nation Institute of Mental Health website and 'found' [ahem] I had nearly every mental disorder [NB: As a disclaimer, I don't really think I do].
Yeah, I know what you're talking about.

Thanks. I try and be vigilant [sorry, just love that word]
No problem :D

Although what do you mean by olfactory/gustatory/tactile hullucinations.
Oh, sorry, that techinical jargon. Olfactory is relating to smell, gustatory is relating to taste, and tactile is relating to touch.

I have ADD and dont take meds.

That might explain a lot.... :D

I know. I went to Nation Institute of Mental Health website and 'found' [ahem] I had nearly every mental disorder [NB: As a disclaimer, I don't really think I do].


Thanks. I try and be vigilant [sorry, just love that word]

Although what do you mean by olfactory/gustatory/tactile hullucinations.

Olfactory-smells
gustatory-taste, I think
tactile-feel

When the black helicopters are always hovering above you, the masters of the Zarquon galaxy are sneding you mental commands through your toaster, and you have little metal implants from an experimental government procedure to make supersoldiers, that's sometimes a warning sign too.

Bah, people are always telling me I didn't work for the CIA, but I don't let their lies get me down.

And I did invent the greenhouse effect. :mad:

Ah, but what about the common explaination for people who claim to undergo alien abduction. (You know sleep paralysis + auditory and visual haulicinations.)

In other words, people can "dream" outside of REM,
Those would be hallucinations, delusions, dreaming, or hypnogogia.

Yeah, I know what you're talking about.


No problem :D


Oh, sorry, that techinical jargon. Olfactory is relating to smell, gustatory is relating to taste, and tactile is relating to touch.

Damnit, I type too slow!

Those would be hallucinations, delusions, dreaming, or hypnogogia.

So why did you say people can't dream outside of REM?

I have ADD and dont take meds.
So do I. I used to take amphetamine for it, but since I have the hyperfocusing part of ADD, I grew out of my need for it. Now the only medication I take is fluoxetine hydrochloride (Prozac).

Oh, sorry, that techinical jargon. Olfactory is relating to smell, gustatory is relating to taste, and tactile is relating to touch.
[Thanks to Bitchkitten too]

Interesting, I'll remember that.

Although I have been imagining smells for as long as I can remember. Always but it down to overly sensitive smell (which I suppose it could be, but I have never been that interested in looking into it)

So why did you say people can't dream outside of REM?
Because one can not actually dream outside of REM. There are other things that are dream-like, but not actually dreaming.

You were warned --don't try to patronize me. I am seeing a psychiatrist about my ADD, thankyouverymuch! As I said, I am sensitive to my environment --so much so that I can sense the emotions of people around me. Just because you don't have the Talent doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

and I do understand what s/he's going through as I hear the mental voices of my neighbors EVERY NIGHT! It is annoying until I raise my own mental shields to block them out. :mad:
Ah! Crazy person! But seriously, brain signals are not "broadcast" in any way from the human brain. They are simply electric impulses and chemical reactions in your brain. Even if they were broadcast, you would be unable to detect them, in the same way you can't watch TV in your head. Any emotions you are sensing is either a)your intuition at work telling you what you THINK other people's emotions are or b)mental illness or c)both or d)something that I don't even know about because I am not a psychologist.

As for the voices that were the topic of this post, I too have had many creepy experiences where I am half asleep/dreaming and blur the line between reality and dreaming. A few times I've actually thought people were staring at me while I thought I was awake, and then "woke up" and saw them dissapear before my eyes!

Not the diabolical kind though. That is, they aren't telling me to burn down any buildings or kill people. More like snippets from conversations where I have no idea about the people or circumstances involved or lines from films (but from no films I can remember).

I think they are a bit like dreams with nothing to see, except they only last one clause. The reason I say they are like dreams is because it always happens when I am trying to get to sleep and am feeling very drowsy. Although they always startle me awake. Which is annoying to say the least.

Nothing sinister, just odd. Anyone else ever had this problem?

Have you been getting sufficient sleep lately?

When a person is really tired, especially if they have been running on short-sleep a lot, 'dream-like' things can leak a bit into waking time. I was told this several years ago by a doctor.

If what you hear gets disturbing, continues for too long, or shows up when you are well rested that would be more cause for worry.

Although I have been imagining smells for as long as I can remember. Always but it down to overly sensitive smell (which I suppose it could be, but I have never been that interested in looking into it)
Wait, now that you mention it, I might too. I've always put it up to residual particles left in the nostrils after, but now that I think about it, it might be hallucinatory.

I have ADD and dont take meds.

That might explain a lot.... :D
Meh, neigther do I. Just used to it suppose.

Wait, now that you mention it, I might too. I've always put it up to residual particles left in the nostrils after, but now that I think about it, it might be hallucinatory.
Please there's no reason to be sarcastic. I wrote that to explain that I would probably disregard time when I smell things others don't.

Please there's no reason to be sarcastic. I wrote that to explain that I would probably disregard time when I smell things others don't.
What? That was in earnest...sorry if it came across as sarcastic, but I was being flat out serious.

Because one can not actually dream outside of REM. There are other things that are dream-like, but not actually dreaming.

Yo, now you are just hairsplitting, because you don't want to admit you might have goofed up.

I have news for you, people can dream when they are awake, never mind REM only. That's what makes people haulicinate after staying awake for too long. (Famous case of DJ talking to his shoe thinking it was wife on the telephone).

It's true that healthy people normally dream only during REM. But that's only the usual state of affairs, not the only one.

I think the reason why you are saying this is because you saw the same PBS special I did. Don't worry, when they have the one on about the people who can't fall asleep, they fill in the rest of the picture.

Have you been getting sufficient sleep lately?

When a person is really tired, especially if they have been running on short-sleep a lot, 'dream-like' things can leak a bit into waking time. I was told this several years ago by a doctor.

If what you hear gets disturbing, continues for too long, or shows up when you are well rested that would be more cause for worry.

Yes.

Although I have never experienced stuff like this when I did go for long periods with little sleep. awaits another sarcastic response :)

What? That was in earnest...sorry if it came across as sarcastic, but I was being flat out serious.

My mistake.

Although in all seriousness. Would residual particles in the nostrils result in smelling things out of place (you may have noticed I'm no scientist).

I would actually recommend AGAINST seeing a "professional.." They NEVER care about whether they can help or not, cause they sap you of your money either way... I've been seeing psychiatrists and psychologists for a few years now... I actually believe that I am worse off now than when I started... And the paxil... *sigh* The meds never help... I've gone through 6 different prescriptions, each one made everything worse... These are my opinons though and should be taken as such... Do what you feel you need to do about it... And above all, DO EVERYTHING THAT THE "VOICES" TELL YOU TO DO!!!

I would actually recommend AGAINST seeing a "professional.." They NEVER care about whether they can help or not, cause they sap you of your money either way...

Hmm, socialised health service.

It's free:D

I've been seeing psychiatrists and psychologists for a few years now... I actually believe that I am worse off now than when I started... And the paxil... *sigh* The meds never help... I've gone through 6 different prescriptions, each one made everything worse... These are my opinons though and should be taken as such... Do what you feel you need to do about it... And above all, DO EVERYTHING THAT THE "VOICES" TELL YOU TO DO!!!

1. The voices don't talk to me. They are just there (actually only one could be considered to have done that).
2. I'm alway wary about taking medication of this type. It could just be from ignorance but they scare me a bit to be honest.

Yo, now you are just hairsplitting, because you don't want to admit you might have goofed up.
No, actually I'm trying to be accurate. There's a large difference between hallucinatory delusions and dreams, neuropsychologicall speaking, even if they're similar.

I have news for you, people can dream when they are awake, never mind REM only. That's what makes people haulicinate after staying awake for too long. (Famous case of DJ talking to his shoe thinking it was wife on the telephone).
...That's not dreaming. That's delusional.

I think the reason why you are saying this is because you saw the same PBS special I did. Don't worry, when they have the one on about the people who can't fall asleep, they fill in the rest of the picture.
I don't know what you're talking about. I'm saying this because I do independent research. Especially since one of my closest friend might be getting a little schizophrenic and experiences things like negative hallucinations.

Although in all seriousness. Would residual particles in the nostrils result in smelling things out of place (you may have noticed I'm no scientist).
I don't think so. That's something I came up with a long time ago, when I didn't really know much. It's possible, but I don't know much about human olfactory capabilities. My olfactory knowledge would be on eusocial insects.

Dammit! There's nothing wrong with me! I have to admit that I'm just lazy!

No, actually I'm trying to be accurate. There's a large difference between hallucinatory delusions and dreams, neuropsychologicall speaking, even if they're similar.


...That's not dreaming. That's delusional.


I don't know what you're talking about. I'm saying this because I do independent research. Especially since one of my closest friend might be getting a little schizophrenic and experiences things like negative hallucinations.

Well if you define dreaming by EEG trace, then people have dreamed while awake. I'm looking for a refrence.

Otherwise this is just an exercise in semantics.

Otherwise this is just an exercise in semantics.
Kind of. It's just that dreaming and hallucinations/delusions are two completely separate and fundamentally different occurances, even if the neural effects are very similar.