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Canadian teen says he was abused at U.S. prison camp
Tue Feb 8, 6:31 PM ET

RITA TRICHUR
TORONTO (CP) - The federal government has "abandoned" a Canadian teenager being held as an "enemy combatant" at a U.S. prison camp in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, broadening a shroud of secrecy that has failed to ensure his humane treatment for nearly three years, his legal team said Tuesday
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Canadian officials, he added, have requested consular access to Khadr to verify his well-being, along with access to his medical records, and an independent medical assessment.

"To date we've not been provided with consular or welfare access,"

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http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/khadr/art/cronp5.jpg

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I'm glad I'm not an enemy combatant.

Tuesday February 8, 10:03 PM
France, US agree to repatriate French prisoners from Guantanamo

The United States and France have agreed to repatriate the last three French citizens being held prisoner in the US military base of Guantanamo in Cuba, various sources told AFP.

The agreement in principle was given before US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was to meet French President Jacques Chirac in Paris later Tuesday.

Calls to free Guantanamo father of four
Tuesday, 8 February, 2005, 13:04 GMT

Shaker Aamer with daughter Johina and son Michel
The father of four was arrested in Afghanistan in 2002
The father-in-law of a UK resident held by the US in Cuba has urged the foreign secretary to secure his release.

Shaker Aamer, a Saudi national who is married to a Briton and is the father of four British children, has been held at Guantanamo Bay for three years.

Father-in-law Saeed Siddique said Mr Aamer's wife Zinnira had developed mental problems since his imprisonment.

A letter sent to Jack Straw said there was the "strongest moral obligation" to secure Mr Aamer's release.

The letter, written by Mr Aamer's UK solicitor Natalia Garcia and US counsel Clive Stafford Smith, said: "There is a British woman who may become a widow, and four young British children who face the prospect of being fatherless, if the government fails to act quickly.

"He has been held by the US now for three years, and the prospect of this continuing is a terrible weight on his family."

At a press conference in London on Tuesday, Mr Siddique said that Mr Aamer's 30-year-old wife had developed mental health problems three months ago and had been admitted to hospital.

Mr Siddique said: "She could not sleep day or night at all and was walking everywhere in the hospital knocking on every room.

Calls to free Guantanamo father of four
Tuesday, 8 February, 2005, 13:04 GMT

Shaker Aamer with daughter Johina and son Michel
The father of four was arrested in Afghanistan in 2002
The father-in-law of a UK resident held by the US in Cuba has urged the foreign secretary to secure his release.

Shaker Aamer, a Saudi national who is married to a Briton and is the father of four British children, has been held at Guantanamo Bay for three years.

Father-in-law Saeed Siddique said Mr Aamer's wife Zinnira had developed mental problems since his imprisonment.

A letter sent to Jack Straw said there was the "strongest moral obligation" to secure Mr Aamer's release.

The letter, written by Mr Aamer's UK solicitor Natalia Garcia and US counsel Clive Stafford Smith, said: "There is a British woman who may become a widow, and four young British children who face the prospect of being fatherless, if the government fails to act quickly.

"He has been held by the US now for three years, and the prospect of this continuing is a terrible weight on his family."

At a press conference in London on Tuesday, Mr Siddique said that Mr Aamer's 30-year-old wife had developed mental health problems three months ago and had been admitted to hospital.

Mr Siddique said: "She could not sleep day or night at all and was walking everywhere in the hospital knocking on every room.
People don't get locked up at Guantanamo for doing nothing. He was fighting for either Al Quaeda, or for the Taliban. Either way I have no pity for him.

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http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news/?ei=ISO-8859-1&c=&p=Omar+Khadr
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/cpress/20050209/ca_pr_on_na/khadr_abuse_2

People don't get locked up at Guantanamo for doing nothing. He was fighting for either Al Quaeda, or for the Taliban. Either way I have no pity for him.

Plenty of people have been locked up in Guantanamo for no reason. The U.S. has been slowly releasing the occasional person from Guantanamo for a while now, and it would seem that the French nationals mentioned in the other article as being held there were held there for nothing (unless the article is not telling the whole story).

People don't get locked up at Guantanamo for doing nothing. He was fighting for either Al Quaeda, or for the Taliban. Either way I have no pity for him.
some of them were not fighting (like Habib)

some of them were fighting for Afghanistan...just like some are Fighting for Iraq...

thats what we call a War...us vs them...US vs Afghanistas...or US vs Iraq.

some Canadian, Brit or Aussie sees the USarmy as the bad guys...he decides to figth for what he thinks is rigth....he figths to defend the underdog country...he knows death is most likely.

why all the Torture?

some of them were not fighting (like Habib)

some of them were fighting for Afghanistan...just like some are Fighting for Iraq...

thats what we call a War...us vs them...US vs Afghanistas...or US vs Iraq.

some Canadian, Brit or Aussie sees the USarmy as the bad guys...he decides to figth for what he thinks is rigth....he figths to defend the underdog country...he knows death is most likely.

why all the Torture?
You're right. We should just behead them.

People don't get locked up at Guantanamo for doing nothing. He was fighting for either Al Quaeda, or for the Taliban.

Yeah, tell that to the Swedish citizen who was held in your little torture camp for over two years without ever being charged with anything or any proof being presented against him. As soon as he was handed over to Sweden he was set free because he was innocent.

GITMO detainee's claims dismissed by UK
Friday, 11th February 2005
CLAIMS made yesterday by a former Guantanamo Bay detainee that a British intelligence officer interrogated him before he was handed to United States authorities have been dismissed by the Home Secretary, Charles Clarke.

Martin Mubanga, who spent three years as a detainee in the notorious prison before his release last month, claimed he was interrogated by a British spy in Zambia before he was arrested and sent to Guantanamo Bay.

But yesterday Mr Clarke said he would not launch an investigation into the allegations, which include charges of torture.

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First of all he is a canadian citizen and the US needs to respect that.

Also canada has locked up someone in their own prison without charge. We have our problems also.

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UMMMMMMMMM isnt this guy they are talking about from the infamous "KUTAR" family?

If so i would be holding this guy. His bloody father was a osama wedding guest. lol

The military is far from infalliable, so it is entirly likely that he is innocent. You know, innocent 'till proven guilty, and the fact that no trial has been conducted, shows that he is innocent.
Coffin vs. United States shows that
The principle that there is a presumption of innocence in favor of the accused is the undoubted law, axiomatic and elementary, and its enforcement lies at the foundation of the administration of our criminal law.... (156 U.S. 432, 454)
Plus the 5th Amendment says
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or an indictment by a Grand Jury
So don't try to claim that because they are not US citizens, they are not entitled to a trial.

link for the article that says: Chirac to meet Rice...after US agrees to release last 3 french POWs

http://sg.news.yahoo.com/050208/1/3qfje.html

UMMMMMMMMM isnt this guy they are talking about from the infamous "KUTAR" family?

If so i would be holding this guy. His bloody father was a osama wedding guest. lol


Yeah, and George Bush regularly meets with Bin Ladens father. Can we throw him in jail and beat him with chains? Sodomize him like they do the prisoners? Or perhaps maybe he will be one of the 37 that have been "executed by torture"...

The USA, land of the Rich and the Hypocrits.

UMMMMMMMMM isnt this guy they are talking about from the infamous "KUTAR" family?

If so i would be holding this guy. His bloody father was a osama wedding guest. lolI dont know what are you talking about...

either way...being a Wedding Guest is not a crime.

I'm still yawning...

People don't get locked up at Guantanamo for doing nothing. He was fighting for either Al Quaeda, or for the Taliban. Either way I have no pity for him.

Yeah, and soon we will be taking people from YOUR country and TORTURING them and see how you like it. You god damn moralist bastard.

He's a Canadian and he has rights, and the fact that your hilter government won't treat them with even a shred of human decency means you are no more human than the Nazi's. I spit on your government and your miltary, they are the new fascists and we will win the war against your tyranny.

Scum, they all are.

People don't get locked up at Guantanamo for doing nothing.
Yes they are. It's the American way.

Yeah, and soon we will be taking people from YOUR country and TORTURING them and see how you like it. You god damn moralist bastard.

He's a Canadian and he has rights, and the fact that your hilter government won't treat them with even a shred of human decency means you are no more human than the Nazi's. I spit on your government and your miltary, they are the new fascists and we will win the war against your tyranny.

Scum, they all are.


he is also a canadian that killed an american, when he shouldn't have been fighting. By killing the troops of canada's ally he should be put on trial for treason in your country. I don't know what the punishment is for treason is in canada but in America it's death.

I spit on your government and your miltary.
I wouldn't waste any spit on them. Just wait untill you need to take a leak.

People don't get locked up at Guantanamo for doing nothing. He was fighting for either Al Quaeda, or for the Taliban. Either way I have no pity for him.
then why are they being held without charge and people have been released because we dont got shit on them

Yes they are. It's the American way.

Compared to the German way, where people simply disappear and never return.

I wouldn't waste any spit on them. Just wait untill you need to take a leak.


That, of course, is really messed up !

dp

Compared to the German way, where people simply disappear and never return.
Couldn't have done it without the US.

he is also a canadian that killed an american...I know about some American Killing Canadians in Afghanistan...How about Canada gets to trial him in a Canadian Military Court.

he is also a canadian that killed an american, when he shouldn't have been fighting. By killing the troops of canada's ally he should be put on trial for treason in your country. I don't know what the punishment is for treason is in canada but in America it's death.
how do you know he killed an american? because hes in guantanmo? faulty logic because no one in there has been accused of shit. i know there was a crapload of friendly fire kills, lets start sticking everyone in guantanamo

Couldn't have done it without the US.
No need to thank us. We're glad to help.

Yeah, and soon we will be taking people from YOUR country and TORTURING them and see how you like it. You god damn moralist bastard.

He's a Canadian and he has rights, and the fact that your hilter government won't treat them with even a shred of human decency means you are no more human than the Nazi's. I spit on your government and your miltary, they are the new fascists and we will win the war against your tyranny.

Scum, they all are.
Out Hitler government is the only thing that keeps your piss-ass country free. If it wasn't for the US you would have 100% unemployment instead of just 85%. You should up your medication dosage and calm down.

Out Hitler government is the only thing that keeps your piss-ass country free. If it wasn't for the US you would have 100% unemployment instead of just 85%. You should up your medication dosage and calm down.

Psst! You're making a fool of yourself.

Psst! You're making a fool of yourself.
Really? How much of Canada's budget is earmarked for defense? I'll guarantee you if the US was not there to provide it's national defense Canada would be spending much much more for defense. The money that it should be spending on defense is going to all of it's socialist programs like national health care.

The US Government wouldn't just box up anyone, especially a Canadian no matter how much the US would like to do that to all of you sometime, without no god damned reason. I mean, even Liberals in the US would have to agree with me. But yet again, your probably just some pot headed ignorant adolosence who makes up an illusion that reminds him day and night the the US is corrupt and the US is boxing up allied nation civilians for no damned reason, plus some billion of other bullshit ideals you have too. And it is as simple as this: If anything, the Canadian Teen had picked up arms, shot at American troops thinking he was doing something right. He got his ass tackeled by an American troop, and got his dumbass shipped to Guantanomo. I think we should keep him there untill the end of this war, but were going to do what we always do, listen to the UN or EU or Canada, because if we don't then they become angry sending some angry letter about how angry they are and we really don't want to put up with the damned nonsence. Case closed, now I just dare you to go say that we decided to put this " poor innocent " Canadian in Guantanomo cuz were " bullies and assholes and are completely evil " and then show me absolute proof that thats the damn reason, something other then the National Inquirer, or BBC or CNN. Ok?

Really? How much of Canada's budget is earmarked for defense? I'll guarantee you if the US was not there to provide it's national defense Canada would be spending much much more for defense. The money that it should be spending on defense is going to all of it's socialist programs like national health care.
why would canada need to spend a shitload on defense? whos pissed at canada? no one. when was the last terrorist rallying call to bomb canada? never. no one gives two shits about canada and im sure thats how they like it.

you think all thsoe billions of dollars for our defense budget actually make it down to the people doing shit? no, try again

I know about some American Killing Canadians in Afghanistan...How about Canada gets to trial him in a Canadian Military Court.

Oh really? Do you know of this name? Do you know if it wasn't just some dumbshit rumor you heard at school? Or by some anti Bush fuck in the streets? Or are you just pulling this out of your ass again because you have no better defence other than to lie.

... The money that it should be spending on defense is going to all of it's socialist programs like national health care.buy more/better weapons...or provide more/better health.

my taxes at work.

why would canada need to spend a shitload on defense? whos pissed at canada? no one. when was the last terrorist rallying call to bomb canada? never. no one gives two shits about canada and im sure thats how they like it.

lol, trust me....the Terrorists would make up another bull shit thing in there bible stating that all Canadians must be killed. ( Thats if we wern't around or just didn't give a damn about fighting back )

Compared to the German way, where people simply disappear and never return.
Or the Russian way, where they're sent off to gulags.

Or the Russian way, where they're sent off to gulags.

Or just some Diamond mine in Siberia staring death straight in his cold eyes.

why would canada need to spend a shitload on defense? whos pissed at canada? no one. when was the last terrorist rallying call to bomb canada? never. no one gives two shits about canada and im sure thats how they like it.

you think all thsoe billions of dollars for our defense budget actually make it down to the people doing shit? no, try again
I'm sure Poland felt the same way before the Nazi's rolled in. Are you arguing that nobody would want Canada? Because you might have a point there.

Oh really? Do you know of this name? Do you know if it wasn't just some dumbshit rumor you heard at school? Or by some anti Bush fuck in the streets? Or are you just pulling this out of your ass again because you have no better defence other than to lie.since the US media media never talks about it...IT MUST BE A LIE :rolleyes:

since US media media never talks about it...IT MUST BE A LIE :rolleyes:

Sorry, once you repost that in PROPER READIBLE English, I will post my response.

I'm sure Poland felt the same way before the Nazi's rolled in. Are you arguing that nobody would want Canada? Because you might have a point there.
acutally poland was ripped out between parts of russia and germany. hitler had a reason to focus one it.

The US Government wouldn't just box up anyone, especially a Canadian no matter how much the US would like to do that to all of you sometime, without no god damned reason. I mean, even Liberals in the US would have to agree with me. But yet again, your probably just some pot headed ignorant adolosence who makes up an illusion that reminds him day and night the the US is corrupt and the US is boxing up allied nation civilians for no damned reason, plus some billion of other bullshit ideals you have too. And it is as simple as this: If anything, the Canadian Teen had picked up arms, shot at American troops thinking he was doing something right. He got his ass tackeled by an American troop, and got his dumbass shipped to Guantanomo. I think we should keep him there untill the end of this war, but were going to do what we always do, listen to the UN or EU or Canada, because if we don't then they become angry sending some angry letter about how angry they are and we really don't want to put up with the damned nonsence. Case closed, now I just dare you to go say that we decided to put this " poor innocent " Canadian in Guantanomo cuz were " bullies and assholes and are completely evil " and then show me absolute proof that thats the damn reason, something other then the National Inquirer, or BBC or CNN. Ok?

I agree with you about CNN...They sux...biased

lol, trust me....the Terrorists would make up another bull shit thing in there bible stating that all Canadians must be killed. ( Thats if we wern't around or just didn't give a damn about fighting back )
and that sttitude is exactly why america is an easy target. everyone resents the elitist attitude

and that sttitude is exactly why america is an easy target. everyone resents the elitist attitude
I don't think he is too far off base. What is the terrorists motivation? To kill. If the US was not around, they would concentrate on some other nation.

some of them were not fighting (like Habib)

some of them were fighting for Afghanistan...just like some are Fighting for Iraq...

thats what we call a War...us vs them...US vs Afghanistas...or US vs Iraq.

some Canadian, Brit or Aussie sees the USarmy as the bad guys...he decides to figth for what he thinks is rigth....he figths to defend the underdog country...he knows death is most likely.

why all the Torture?

Torture is a word which is thrown around quite loosely these days and hardly encompasses most of the actions being used.
And yes they were captured at war.. a pitty they did not recognize themselves as offical army soliders employed by the state.. then perhaps they would be prived to the laws given to them by the Geneva convention as prisoners of war...
You choose to fight against your country or for the enemy.. you pay the price.. simple is that..

I don't think he is too far off base. What is the terrorists motivation? To kill. If the US was not around, they would concentrate on some other nation.
yeah, israel and whomever supports them and whatever idiot nation thinks its inherently better than every other one and always makes sure everyone else knows that.

I agree with you about CNN...They sux...biased

show me where CNN is biased.. >.> why stop there.. why not the BBC ..

Yea, I mean really there is no legitimate reason to want to kill us. I mean, sure your country is a living breathing bung hole, your economy is non existant, and were here being bitched at cuz somehow it is our fault the world is in turmoil when all were doing is sitting on our asses and watching the simpsons. I mean apparently when a Tsunami comes crashing someone's front doors, we have something to do with it. So why not? Lets just help anyways, and then get bitched at again......whoa got carried away there

.... a pitty they did not recognize themselves as offical army soliders employed by the state....they recognized themselves as fighters...and they were figthing for Afghanistan...against the US.

what part makes them deserving of Torture.

under your logic most American Founding Fathers belong in Guantanamo...

show me where CNN is biased.. >.> why stop there.. why not the BBC ..cos the BBC has managed to keep War bias out of the Press room.

even if british soldiers are dying all the same...

No need to thank us.
Couldn't agree more.

buy more/better weapons...or provide more/better health.

my taxes at work.


American Health care is better, but not everyone has it, Canada has worse health care but everyone can have it. Since i can afford health care, I think our system is better.

American Health care is better, but not everyone has it, Canada has worse health care but everyone can have it. Since i can afford health care, I think our system is better.
how so

People don't get locked up at Guantanamo for doing nothing. He was fighting for either Al Quaeda, or for the Taliban. Either way I have no pity for him.
And you would know this due to the full and public trials, oh no you wouldnt because there have not been any.

If what you say is true can you explain why two British citizens were held due to being in a terrorist training camp in the M.E. on particular dates when they were video taped on those days in Britain....wow they must be clever to be two places at once....funny how just as a law suite was about to be heard in a US court, they were released, funny how the British authorities didnt choose to hold them, or charge them with anything...funny how many people have been released after a couple of years and apparently inhumane treatment, and absolutely no charges...but of course everyone is guilty untill proven innocent, even when no one has actually charged them with anything.

I sincerely hope if you ever come to understand how wrong this is, it isnt because you or a loved one of yours is on the receiving end. I know you think it wont ever happen to you, because you for instance were never in a terrorist training camp, but you need to realise that even video footage proving you were elsewhere on the dates in question wont secure you a speedy release...apparently it's now 'guilty even after you prove yourself innocent'...

Oh really? Do you know of this name? Do you know if it wasn't just some dumbshit rumor you heard at school? Or by some anti Bush fuck in the streets? Or are you just pulling this out of your ass again because you have no better defence other than to lie.

HOUSTON (Reuters) - A U.S. Air Force pilot drew a sharp reprimand and a fine on Tuesday, but no confinement for mistakenly killing four Canadian soldiers in a 2002 bombing raid in southern Afghanistan (news - web sites).

Following a hearing last week, F-16 fighter pilot Maj. Harry Schmidt was found guilty of dereliction of duty and ordered to forfeit $5,672 in pay, the Air Force said.

"You acted shamefully on April 17, 2002 over Tarnak Farms, Afghanistan, exhibiting arrogance and a lack of flight discipline," Lt. Gen. Bruce Carlson, 8th Air Force Commander at Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana, said in a written reprimand.

"The victims of your callous misbehavior were from one of our staunch allies in Operation Enduring Freedom and were your comrades-in-arms."

Schmidt, 38, could have been confined to quarters for up to 30 days or limited in his movements for up to 60 days for the offense.

His lawyer, Charles Gittins, said in an e-mail Schmidt was "contemplating" an appeal of Carlson's findings.

"We ... are shocked by the fact that General Carlson found Harry guilty of an offense of which he was never charged: the unpremeditated murder of the four Canadians," he said.

He blamed poor leadership for the deaths and said the Air Force, by punishing Schmidt, had "protected the criminal negligence of its general officer corps."

Schmidt said in a hearing last year that he dropped a 500-pound (225 kilo) bomb on the Canadians because he thought their night-time anti-tank maneuver was enemy fire. No one had informed him that military practice sessions would be held that night, he said.

Despite instructions to hold fire, Schmidt told air controllers and flight leader Maj. William Umbach, flying in a separate F-16, he was "rolling in, in self defense" and dropped the bomb.

Four Canadians in Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry unit died and eight were wounded in the incident that strained U.S.-Canadian relations.

"You used the inherent right of self-defense to wage your own war," Carlson charged in the reprimand.

Schmidt and Umbach apologized last year but blamed the "fog of war" and the Air Force's practice of giving pilots amphetamines to stay alert.

Schmidt's punishment came after a nonjudicial hearing before Carlson on July 1. He had previously insisted on a full-blown military trial, but dropped the demand in June.

Originally, he was charged with manslaughter and aggravated assault, but the charges were reduced to dereliction of duty.

Umbach accepted in June 2003 a letter of reprimand and was allowed to retire.

Schmidt has until July 12 to appeal Carlson's decision, an Air Force spokeswoman said.

He is a pilot in the Illinois Air National Guard, but has agreed to accept a nonflying position and will no longer be permitted to fly Air Force aircraft, she said.


Must never have happened then? :rolleyes:

I dont know what are you talking about...

either way...being a Wedding Guest is not a crime.


This infamous family living in toronto has in its relatives a number of known osma linked terrorists. They are the KUTAR family or something like that.

This infamous family living in toronto has in its relatives a number of known osma linked terrorists. They are the KUTAR family or something like that.
You are talking like the Chimp...its not clear..

answer this:
exactly...Who is Guilty of What?