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This article doesn't mention the fact that a Palestinian youth was shot to death by IDF soldiers near the security fence. The mortar shelling was in retaliation for that.

I guess I need to TG ITD and tell him I won the bet. (He bet it wouldn't last two weeks, I bet less than 2 days)


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=ajzBA_V79y34&refer=top_world_news

So in reality, the IDF broke the ceasefire.

So in reality, the IDF broke the ceasefire.
Who cares who started....lets nuke the whole area.

So in reality, the IDF broke the ceasefire.

Assuming they shot the kid unprovoked. "Youths" can engage in violence too.. doesn't take much to shoot at a guard or throw a grenade.

Assuming they shot the kid unprovoked. "Youths" can engage in violence too.. doesn't take much to shoot at a guard or throw a grenade.


He was "walking too close to" the security fence, that is the only reason they stated for his murder.

BBC this morning said it was an arab man, not boy, and he was trying to infiltrate. That's why he got shot.

BBC this morning said it was an arab man, not boy, and he was trying to infiltrate. That's why he got shot.


The radio program I heard said "Boy" and it said he was just walking along the fence area, on his way somewhere (school perhaps?)

BBC this morning said it was an arab man, not boy, and he was trying to infiltrate. That's why he got shot.
Oh yes, of course :rolleyes:

Oh yes, of course :rolleyes:
Yeah, I'm making it up. :headbang:

It was an interview with some British diplomat. He said it was a man trying to infiltrate a Gaza settlement.

Oh yes, of course :rolleyes:
;) that explains it all, right?

Yeah, I'm making it up. :headbang:

It was an interview with some British diplomat. He said it was a man trying to infiltrate a Gaza settlement.
how about a link, im pretty sure bbc puts all its reports online just like every other news agency

If we weren't there, we can't say if it was a man or a boy. We can't say if he was walking to school or trying to infiltrate.

Everyone with even the faintest political motivation will want to spin the story one way or the other.

Good Rule Of Thumb:

Don't Walk Near The Security Fence.
Your Dead Body Will Become A Political Football.

The radio program I heard said "Boy" and it said he was just walking along the fence area, on his way somewhere (school perhaps?)
I thought the fence was along the west bank border, not gaza.

The radio program I heard said "Boy" and it said he was just walking along the fence area, on his way somewhere (school perhaps?)

...or a terrorist training camp.

I thought the fence was along the west bank border, not gaza.
The Israelis have the habit of shooting Palestinians near any sort of Israeli area, despite whether its legal they are there are not, they being the Israelis.

...or a terrorist training camp.
I'm sure thats where they are going NOW, you know since the Israelis are breaking ceasefires to kill civilians as usual.

Ths show must go on.

The Israelis have the habit of shooting Palestinians near any sort of Israeli area, despite whether its legal they are there are not, they being the Israelis.
Which doesn't surprise me. I have an Israeli "friend" and he is so ignorant toward the Palestineans. It doesn't surprise me that something like this has happened. I meant, I asked him a hypothetical question about what he thought if the IDF shot a Palestinean citizen, and he said the person deserved it. That made me sick to my stomach.

The Israelis have the habit of shooting Palestinians near any sort of Israeli area, despite whether its legal they are there are not, they being the Israelis.

The game is called "political football", and it's not a boy or a man or a dead person - it's a "political football".

Your turn to kick the football, Chess.

I thought the fence was along the west bank border, not gaza.


Yup, he was shot near the West Bank fence.

Yup, he was shot near the West Bank fence.
Regardless of what he was doing there, he did NOT deserve to be shot unless there was a REASONABLE justification for it... I mean, the guy was just a kid...

Regardless of what he was doing there, he did NOT deserve to be shot unless there was a REASONABLE justification for it... I mean, the guy was just a kid...


Israel wouldn't kill anybody who doesn't deserve it though... (rolls eyes while thinking about the blind wheelchair bound old man, who was "such a threat")

The game is called "political football", and it's not a boy or a man or a dead person - it's a "political football".

Your turn to kick the football, Chess.
Can I just kick you instead, hold on let me go get me some steel-toed boots.

Israel wouldn't kill anybody who doesn't deserve it though... (rolls eyes while thinking about the blind wheelchair bound old man, who was "such a threat")
No kidding. This just screams: MILITARY BRAINWASHING! Common sense is an asset though not required.

Hmm hmm. Hamas never agreed to the ceasefire. So it didn't kinda 'ended'. Hope the Palestinian authorities stopped the fighting on the other side.

Only if the IDF start pouring in their tanks into gaza then it's considered 'ended'. Plus the walls are meant to be a no-man zone. Plus the reports never said if he was 'warned', or just shot for no reason.

Which doesn't surprise me. I have an Israeli "friend" and he is so ignorant toward the Palestineans. It doesn't surprise me that something like this has happened. I meant, I asked him a hypothetical question about what he thought if the IDF shot a Palestinean citizen, and he said the person deserved it. That made me sick to my stomach.

Ten-year-old Nuran Deeb, a Palestinian schoolgirl, was brutally shot in the head by the evil IDF as she was playing in the playground.

In response, Hamas valiantly launched rockets at Israeli homes.

Problem is... the Palestinian terror gangs made it up like they always do. The major newswires all have highly placed Pali propagandists who manipulate the facts.

FACT: the girl was NOT shot by the IDF
FACT: the Palestinian Authority has arrested a Palestinian for the killing.

Don't believe a word that comes out of the Palestinian side - they're lying to you. This is what the things in Hamas, Al-Aqsa etc do.

They murder their own children to make headlines.

Ten-year-old Nuran Deeb, a Palestinian schoolgirl, was brutally shot in the head by the evil IDF as she was playing in the playground.

In response, Hamas valiantly launched rockets at Israeli homes.

Problem is... the Palestinian terror gangs made it up like they always do. The major newswires all have highly placed Pali propagandists who manipulate the facts.

FACT: the girl was NOT shot by the IDF
FACT: the Palestinian Authority has arrested a Palestinian for the killing.

Don't believe a word that comes out of the Palestinian side - they're lying to you.
No shit. Remember the totally fabricated "massacre" at Jenin?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/ComMiss/Settlers.jpg


Yup, those arab boys just need to be kept in line or else they'll start slacking, they look so threatening to me...

Wait, who has the guns again?

No shit. Remember the totally fabricated "massacre" at Jenin?

Yes, the director of "Jenin Jenin" has since admitted the whole film is a fabrication and he paid 'witnesses' to lie on camera. even the UN said they'd gone too far with that nonsense, and this is the UN that is virtually complicit in Palestinian terror attacks, allowing their funds, vehicles and offices to be used by 'militants'.

Can I just kick you instead, hold on let me go get me some steel-toed boots.

Although we might take great personal delight in kicking each other, the world and the press in general, take great delight in kicking dead bodies around for fun.

The victim seems to be morphing from man to boy to schoolgirl as we speak. And morphing from someone careless to infiltrator to commuter.

The truth, in addition to a dead body, is what's being kicked here.

Ok, that's my kick. Over to you, Chess...

...some seem to have fallen for it.

Palestinian gunman: Aziz, it's time to get the Western doves on our side.

Aziz: Okay, see that girl over there? You must shoot her. Then we will claim that an Israeli soldier shot her. Some Western reporter is sure to believe our story.

Palestinian gunman: I will do it with the skill of ten thousand husseins.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/ComMiss/Settlers.jpg


Yup, those arab boys just need to be kept in line or else they'll start slacking, they look so threatening to me...

Wait, who has the guns again?
Uh, both sides have guns. The difference is that the palestinians use them to intentionally target civilians much more often than the Israelis.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/ComMiss/Settlers.jpg


Doh - they're not settlers, they're Palestinians. They're wearing Hamas headbands. The fake 'Jewish' attire is dress-up.

Palestinians would never encourage their kids to be terrorists. :rolleyes:

www.israel-wat.com/kid.jpg

Actually the wall is a good thing though. Suicide bombings have cut down by ALOT!

The victim seems to be morphing from man to boy to schoolgirl as we speak. And morphing from someone careless to infiltrator to commuter.

That's what generally happens with Palestinian propaganda - it takes them a while to get the story straight. If they say a man got shot and it doesn't make the headlines, they'll say he was disabled. If that doesn't work, they'll say it was a schoolboy. If that doesn't work, they'll say it was a schoolgirl. The truth doesn't matter - if more people read the headline than check the facts, they count it a victory.

links
UN Pro-terror agency UNRWA accuses Israel of killing schoolgirl:
http://www.kuna.net.kw/Home/Story.aspx?Language=en&DSNO=701174

Reuters admits the girl could not have been killed by IDF:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=564&ncid=564&e=1&u=/nm/20050131/ts_nm/mideast_dc_242

Palestinian authority arrests girl's killer - a Palestinian
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=534452&contrassID=1&subContrassID=5&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y

Mmm, rampant Zionism, gotta love it.
Seriously, Israel is the biggest threat to peace in the Middle East. Ethnic cleansing, executing civilians, tearing their buildings down.
Good thing they always have the Holocaust-club ready to be used should anyone try to call them down for their behavior. :rolleyes:

let bush invade isreal. That seams to be his answer for everything.

That's what generally happens with Palestinian propaganda - it takes them a while to get the story straight. If they say a man got shot and it doesn't make the headlines, they'll say he was disabled. If that doesn't work, they'll say it was a schoolboy. If that doesn't work, they'll say it was a schoolgirl. The truth doesn't matter - if more people read the headline than check the facts, they count it a victory.

links
UN Pro-terror agency UNRWA accuses Israel of killing schoolgirl:
http://www.kuna.net.kw/Home/Story.aspx?Language=en&DSNO=701174

Reuters admits the girl could not have been killed by IDF:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=564&ncid=564&e=1&u=/nm/20050131/ts_nm/mideast_dc_242

Palestinian authority arrests girl's killer - a Palestinian
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=534452&contrassID=1&subContrassID=5&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y


I'm waiting for Chess to kick the ball back... but it looks like the ball is no longer in play. Too bad there's not a referee to call a penalty on the play.

Blablablabla :rolleyes:

It's revealing that it's almost impossible these days to tell the difference between a Pro-Palestinian so called 'socialist' and an unreconstructed, Hitler worshipping Nazi. Novo Germania, I'm guessing, is a Pro-Palestinian Nazi? Or is that tautological?

edit: Novo Germania frequents regions with names like "Aryanised Europe", "Das Neue Reich" and "Nazi Europe", so I'd say that was confirmed.

It's revealing that it's almost impossible these days to tell the difference between a Pro-Palestinian so called 'socialist' and an unreconstructed, Hitler worshipping Nazi. Novo Germania, I'm guessing, is a Pro-Palestinian Nazi? Or is that tautological?

edit: Novo Germania frequents regions with names like "Aryanised Europe", "Das Neue Reich" and "Nazi Europe", so I'd say that was confirmed.

It's an observation that was not lost on Orwell.

Mmm, rampant Zionism, gotta love it.
Seriously, Israel is the biggest threat to peace in the Middle East. Ethnic cleansing, executing civilians, tearing their buildings down.
Good thing they always have the Holocaust-club ready to be used should anyone try to call them down for their behavior. :rolleyes:
Ethnic cleansing? If Israel really wanted a genocide it would be over by now and not one palestinian would be left in all of Israel, Gaza, or the West Bank. Shut up, you are obviously either trolling or just an anti Israel zealot.

@Anglo: ::shrugs:: I do not hide my political allegiance, or Weltanschauung, if you will. I oppose Israel.

@drunk: Well, the Jews *are* trying to keep up a facade of still being the most civilized and unagressive people there is. It's not really working though.

To add a little bit to this debate, there are free-fire areas where Israeli troops are supposed to shoot anything that moves-- and big warning signs telling people not to enter these areas. This is reasonable because there have been bomb vests fitted to men, women, and children, so the only reasonable defense is to try to keep EVERYONE out of certain areas.

In any case, it's inhumane to kill a civilian regardless of race and religion.

In any case, it's inhumane to kill a civilian regardless of race and religion.
In some cases it's damn near unavoidable.

To add a little bit to this debate, there are free-fire areas where Israeli troops are supposed to shoot anything that moves-- and big warning signs telling people not to enter these areas. This is reasonable because there have been bomb vests fitted to men, women, and children, so the only reasonable defense is to try to keep EVERYONE out of certain areas.
It would be almost reasonable if that area was israeli.

this saddens me a lot

It would be almost reasonable if that area was israeli.
It is reasonable because Israel must defend it's people. They have a responsibility to do so despite what problems it might cause for their enemies.

In any case, it's inhumane to kill a civilian regardless of race and religion.
Tell that to the Palestinians.

http://img175.exs.cx/img175/3296/differencebetweenisraelisandpa.jpg

IMO, Palestinian or Isreali, the bad guys here is the terrorist groups like Hamas.

Palestinian leader Abbass is fighting for a new peace
Isreali who have been fighting to protect their own people has called off a cease-fire.

Hamas hasn't yet. Their demands are the release of all the 7k captives in Isreal.

-------------------------------------
Very interesting interview of Khaled Meshaal, Hamas leader
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/hardtalk/3639093.stm

Their not interested in peace. :(

TS- Answer me just one question. Does Israel have the right to exist in peace? Do you acknowledge the right of Israel to exist in peace?

KM: We consider Palestine our land and this is our natural right and the occupation must end. Occupation cannot be divided.

TS- Answer the question, yes or no, does Israel have the right to exist? It's a very simple question.

KM: I am saying we have the right to our land and we have the right to be freed from occupation. Any occupation even if time goes by doesn't become legitimate.

TS- So the answer is no. Israel does not have the right to exist. That's what you're telling me.

KM: The occupation doesn't become legitimate even after a long time. You are talking about a fair and comprehensive peace. The Palestinian who was forced to leave his land in Haifa and Jafa, if he doesn't return to his land, how do you say this is fair? Why do you stick to your rights in Europe and the whole world while you ask us to drop ours?

TS- So Israel does not have the right to exist. Let's just clarify this once and for all. You're saying Israel does not have the right to exist.

TS- So you're not going to answer my question. Let's just clarify that for the sake of the viewers, you're not going to answer my question because it's too difficult.

KM: This is not difficult. I answered in the spirit of the situation. Occupation must end regardless of the duration. Therefore, it is our right to hold on to our land.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/ComMiss/Settlers.jpg


Yup, those arab boys just need to be kept in line or else they'll start slacking, they look so threatening to me...

Wait, who has the guns again?

That pic is from a show played in palestinian schools, all those kids are arabs and they supposingly 'demonstrate' the life to other children in the school, there are no israelis in this picture.
this is clearly to incite violence, like in other 'plays' taking place in palestinians schools, for example -
http://img224.exs.cx/img224/3308/pals4tt.jpg - i cant even describe this picture

Tell that to the Palestinians.

http://img175.exs.cx/img175/3296/differencebetweenisraelisandpa.jpg
It doesn't make a difference.

We are all human.

When we bleed, do we not all bleed the same red fluid of life?

It doesn't make a difference.

We are all human.

When we bleed, do we not all bleed the same red fluid of life?
It doesn't make a difference? Killing someone who is planning to bomb a bus full of schoolchildren and working folk is way different from killing a woman and her kids on their way to the voting booth. If you don't see that there's no use talking to you.

It doesn't make a difference.

We are all human.
When we bleed, do we not all bleed the same red fluid of life?

Careful there, some fanatics regard infidels worse than dogs. :p Plus killing infidels for Allah is doing Allah a good service, that you'll be blessed with 49 virgin wifes when you get to heaven (Or so they tell the matyrs).

Here's the only reference I can find, and it cites the person killed as a man.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4254725.stm

So what really happened is that HAMAS (it is an acronym) found an excuse to break the ceasefire in the case of Israel defending itself. There will be no peace until the Palestinians desire it more than they desire to blame the Israelis for all of their problems.

Give the palestinians their own state, then they can blame themselves for all their problems and the israelis wont have to worry with them.

Hamas is trying to undermine Abbas' authority. It's a power struggle among the palestinians and the Israelis are suffering for it.

http://img224.exs.cx/img224/3308/pals4tt.jpg - i cant even describe this picture

Wow, that is a sweet school, they teach you to use guns and love your people... I wish my school had been like that. :D

Give the palestinians their own state, then they can blame themselves for all their problems and the israelis wont have to worry with them.
I think that was tried when Arafat was around. He rejected the idea because he wanted right of return to go along with it. Israel will never, and should never grant that.

Wow, that is a sweet school, they teach you to use guns and love your people... I wish my school had been like that. :D
you mean your school doesnt have an ROTC program?

you mean your school doesnt have an ROTC program?
It probably doesn't have one in Kindergarten or grades 1-6. The kids in the pictures looked about that age.

I think that was tried when Arafat was around. He rejected the idea because he wanted right of return to go along with it. Israel will never, and should never grant that.

Umm. If I remember, Isreal turned Arafat down because Arafat wanted Jeruselam. No way are they going to give their capital. Though Isreal offered something like more than 50% of the land.

Dang.. Where's Scantaphrax or GreenIsreal when you need your facts. :p

Give the palestinians their own state, then they can blame themselves for all their problems and the israelis wont have to worry with them.
Reward the murderers? I don't think so. They should, if anything, lock up more of them, and quit the releases of those with blood on their hands. You kill someone, you should be executed. That would deter the violence.

Umm. If I remember, Isreal turned Arafat down because Arafat wanted Jeruselam. No way are they going to give their capital. Though Isreal offered something like more than 50% of the land.

Dang.. Where's Scantaphrax or GreenIsreal when you need your facts. :p
Actually, they offered Arafat 98% of the West Bank. They did refuse Jerusalem, and that is when Arafat turned Barak down. I may not be Sanctaphrax or GI, but I know most the details.

Give the palestinians their own state, then they can blame themselves for all their problems and the israelis wont have to worry with them.
This has been attempted several times. No agreement was ever good enough for Yasser Arafat. Let's hope now that that pile of crap is gone, a Palestinian will step forward that will actually broker for peace.

This has been attempted several times. No agreement was ever good enough for Yasser Arafat. Let's hope now that that pile of crap is gone, a Palestinian will step forward that will actually broker for peace.
Unfortunately, Abbas is not the one. He is every bit as much of a dissembling, two-faced, half-terrorist, anti-Semite as Arafat was.

Unfortunately, Abbas is not the one. He is every bit as much of a dissembling, two-faced, half-terrorist, anti-Semite as Arafat was.
Is that fact or opinion? Whomever is in that position will have an almost impossible task of disarming Hamas. More than likely if he were to attempt to do that, he would be killed. He is virtually a "dead man walking".

Reward the murderers? I don't think so. They should, if anything, lock up more of them, and quit the releases of those with blood on their hands. You kill someone, you should be executed. That would deter the violence.
Not reward the murders you incompetent halfwit, take away the basis for their support. You give the Palestinians a state and the Palestinian people mgiht care to take out terrorist groups if the violence continues. With a palestinian state recognized there wont be so much of a reason to resent the israelis and no reason to go anywhere near them

Reward the murderers? I don't think so. They should, if anything, lock up more of them, and quit the releases of those with blood on their hands. You kill someone, you should be executed. That would deter the violence.

No. Most of the people are brainwashed by the terrorist organizations. Plus they live in poverty. Terrorist organizations reward the parents on the matyrs few hundred US dollars if their sons and daughters give their lives to the cause. Hence, life is cheap for them. They have no future, might as well use it for God against the Jews.

Eye for an eye. Violence would not stop till the other have been wiped out totally. If Isreal do, the Arab nations would be on Isreals back again like 67.

The wall is doing a good job for now.

Not reward the murders you incompetent halfwit, take away the basis for their support. You give the Palestinians a state and the Palestinian people mgiht care to take out terrorist groups if the violence continues. With a palestinian state recognized there wont be so much of a reason to resent the israelis and no reason to go anywhere near them
In other words, If you give the Palestinians a reason to live, they might not be so eager to blow themselves up.

Unfortunately, Abbas is not the one. He is every bit as much of a dissembling, two-faced, half-terrorist, anti-Semite as Arafat was.

Pessimistic are we? (I know he also has a bad history) Anyway, he's supposed to be more moderate than most others. Plus as it is, he's doing the right thing. Using his own soldiers to stop his own people from throwing rocks and mortars into Isreal.

Soon there will be the meeting between Isreal and Palestine. We'll see where this carry on further. But the fact that he has commited his own troops to stop the attacks on Isreal, is already a step forward to progress.

Wow, that is a sweet school, they teach you to use guns and love your people... I wish my school had been like that. :D
Try "use guns,murder Jews, and blow yourself to bits with high explosives," you sick son of a bitch.

In other words, If you give the Palestinians a reason to live, they might not be so eager to blow themselves up.
close enough

you mean your school doesnt have an ROTC program?


ROTC never teaches anything about racial pride and ethnic identity, or religious identity.

I would like to have something that is a quasi-military + political instruction + religious teachings + racial identity teachings, rolled into one.

It doesn't make a difference.

We are all human.

When we bleed, do we not all bleed the same red fluid of life?
How the hell can you possibly equate the premediated slaughter of innocent women and children with the bringing to justice of mad-dog terrorist killers? What the hell is wrong with you!?

ROTC never teaches anything about racial pride and ethnic identity, or religious identity.

I would like to have something that is a quasi-military + political instruction + religious teachings + racial identity teachings, rolled into one.
You forgot "+murdering Jews."

ROTC never teaches anything about racial pride and ethnic identity, or religious identity.

I would like to have something that is a quasi-military + political instruction + religious teachings + racial identity teachings, rolled into one.
And you are the reason profiling is a great idea.

ROTC never teaches anything about racial pride and ethnic identity, or religious identity.

I would like to have something that is a quasi-military + political instruction + religious teachings + racial identity teachings, rolled into one.

Then you need to get packing to TROLL school my boy. Over there, they'll teach you the finest in arts of trolling where you can troll and it still would be humorous to the readers, the propoganda of trolling and it's influence of shaping the worlds threads, Trollogy the mysticism of trolls and the dark arts of changing your IP's upon getting banned and create synonyms where people still recognize you but can't seem to ever get rid of you...

Another country that so blindly teaches you that stuff is in Afghanistan. But unfortunately Bush blowed it up. :(

Not reward the murders you incompetent halfwit, take away the basis for their support. You give the Palestinians a state and the Palestinian people mgiht care to take out terrorist groups if the violence continues. With a palestinian state recognized there wont be so much of a reason to resent the israelis and no reason to go anywhere near them
Give the Palestinians a state and it will make it even easier for them to committ terrorist acts against the civilian population of the State of Israel. Hamas and the PLO aren't interested in a Palestinian state -- they want to kill Jews.

Not reward the murders you incompetent halfwit, take away the basis for their support. You give the Palestinians a state and the Palestinian people mgiht care to take out terrorist groups if the violence continues. With a palestinian state recognized there wont be so much of a reason to resent the israelis and no reason to go anywhere near them
Leaving aside your juvenile and asinine flame, I'll point out that the purpose of the terrorists (aside from just getting kicks from blowing up Israeli kids) is to get a state. Now the state most of these groups want would eliminate Israel, but that is beside the point. Israel has a long history of negotiations with these murderers, and every time they give an inch, HAMAS, Fatah, or whatever the lunatic flavor of the week is, takes a mile. They need to stop, and demand real progress in stopping the terrorism before they concede even one more clod of earth. It would indeed be rewarding the murderers to grant a state to Abbas and his cronies. Surely you can see that.

The moslems just want to kill people. They are following the demon mohamed. He led people away from Jesus. Jews will become Christians soon and the moslems don't want that to happen. Thats why they kill Jews. They kill people because they hate God and love satan.

Israle has no right to "defend" itself when it is they who are the invader. Isralies have no one but themselves to blame for the suicide bombers blowing up civilians because they themselves elected the government that continues to occupy territories that doesn't belong to them. Only after Israle withdraw everyone back inside UN recognized national boundaries can they and anyone in the world starts to condemn the Palestinians for "terrorism". What Israle is doing right now to the Palestinians is much worse than any terrorist group had ever done to Israle.

Israle has no right to "defend" itself when it is they who are the invader. Isralies have no one but themselves to blame for the suicide bombers blowing up civilians because they themselves elected the government that continues to occupy territories that doesn't belong to them. Only after Israle withdraw everyone back inside UN recognized national boundaries can they and anyone in the world starts to condemn the Palestinians for "terrorism". What Israle is doing right now to the Palestinians is much worse than any terrorist group had ever done to Israle.
Any territory Israel occupied is the fault of the Arabs. They invaded, Israel kicked their ass and took some of their land to boot. Fuck them. Fuck them in their oil-rich asses. I wish Israel kept Sinai.

Yeah, I'm making it up. :headbang:

It was an interview with some British diplomat. He said it was a man trying to infiltrate a Gaza settlement.

A guy that Britain hires to lie for them said it, therefore it's more likely to be the case?

Note, I'm not calling the British liars. I am British.

But there's a reason that in the debate over making Condi secretary of state people pointed out that she was a big fat liar and the Republicans turned around and said "that doesn't mean she shouldn't be our chief diplomat."

A guy that Britain hires to lie for them said it, therefore it's more likely to be the case?

Note, I'm not calling the British liars. I am British.

But there's a reason that in the debate over making Condi secretary of state people pointed out that she was a big fat liar and the Republicans turned around and said "that doesn't mean she shouldn't be our chief diplomat."
Liars always make the best diplomats.

Bumpage

Israel wouldn't kill anybody who doesn't deserve it though... (rolls eyes while thinking about the blind wheelchair bound old man, who was "such a threat")
I don't believe anyone can be that ignorant about whats happening HERE and still think his opinion is worth anything. I'll get you a link, show you what this "blind wheelchair bound old man" did. Or would you rather I didn't? You know just as well as I do that a terrorist is a terrorist, no matter his age or mobility. So link coming up.

Here you go DA, just for you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheikh_Ahmed_Yassin
Couple of interesting quotes of his.
"Yassin opposed peaceful conciliation with the Israelis, asserting that the land of Israel is "consecrated for future Muslim generations until Judgement Day" and that "The so-called peace path is not peace and it is not a substitute for jihad and resistance."
Sounds like a genuine nice guy eh? Wait, we're not done. Not just killing Israelis.

In 1989 Yassin allegedly authorized the killing of Palestinians believed to be collaborating with the Israel Defense Forces (IDF).
Nice, killing his own people. Real hero.

We're not done! There's yet more.....
Yassin was released by Israel in exchange for two Mossad agents who had been arrested by Jordanian authorities, on condition that he refrain from calling for suicide bombings against Israel.[/b[

Following his release, Yassin reassumed his leadership of Hamas. He immediately resumed his calls for violence against the Israeli occupation [b]using tactics including suicide bombings against both Israeli military and civilian targets,
Lying and breaking his word, again, an honourable man wouldn't you say?

The Hamas political wing called for its members to assassinate Ariel Sharon whenever and wherever possible.
Ok, sounds like a real nice group. :rolleyes:

Enough for now, next time you want to talk about something like this, get some background material, like the stuff above. This man needed to be taken out, otherwise tens more Israeli's would have died.

Give the Palestinians a state and it will make it even easier for them to committ terrorist acts against the civilian population of the State of Israel. Hamas and the PLO aren't interested in a Palestinian state -- they want to kill Jews.
Bingo cpt obvious. but as long as the palestinians dont have a recognized state the terrorist organizations have a basis for popular support. take that away and they lose support and the palestinians have an insentive to stop them instead of supporting or hiding them.

It would indeed be rewarding the murderers to grant a state to Abbas and his cronies.
long as you continue the ignorant attitude and refuse to negotiate with the government you will never stop the terrorism. dont negotiate with terrorists, negotiate with the represent government

The radio program I heard said "Boy" and it said he was just walking along the fence area, on his way somewhere (school perhaps?)
Cause, you know, there are soooo many schools right next to the fence.

Cause, you know, there are soooo many schools right next to the fence.


I've heard stories of Palestinians, who as the fence was being built, had to walk 2-5 hours to get to school, around the fence, and this time increased as construction went further and further, and then finally they can't get to school.

I've heard stories of Palestinians, who as the fence was being built, had to walk 2-5 hours to get to school, around the fence, and this time increased as construction went further and further, and then finally they can't get to school.
If it's a choice between having to move a school and having to clean up bodies after a bus blows up, I say move the fucking school.

I've heard stories of Palestinians, who as the fence was being built, had to walk 2-5 hours to get to school, around the fence, and this time increased as construction went further and further, and then finally they can't get to school.
Not a single suicide bomber has sucessfully penetrated the Gaza security fence since its completion. It saves lives, period.

If it's a choice between having to move a school and having to clean up bodies after a bus blows up, I say move the fucking school.

Yes, but they just close the schools down, they don't move them, after all, it's only Palestinian children. (rolls eyes)

Yes, but they just close the schools down, they don't move them, after all, it's only Palestinian children. (rolls eyes)
The UN, Hamas, and the PA all build and run schools in the palestinian territories. It's not like all the schools are gone. Even if a few are removed permanently, it's something the palestinians have to deal with for intentionally killing Israeli civilians. Actions have consequences.

Yes, but they just close the schools down, they don't move them, after all, it's only Palestinian children. (rolls eyes)
If they close down the schools, where will all the Palestinian children go to learn how to murder people? :mp5:

If they close down the schools, where will all the Palestinian children go to learn how to murder people? :mp5:
They'll just have to pick it up on the street, along with the rocks they throw at Israelis.

If they close down the schools, where will all the Palestinian children go to learn how to murder people? :mp5:
From Jordan, the unofficial Palestinian state.

Yes, but they just close the schools down, they don't move them, after all, it's only Palestinian children. (rolls eyes)
And of course, none of the UN aid is used for that purpose. Even though the friggin palestinians get how much aid again?

The UN, Hamas, and the PA all build and run schools in the palestinian territories. It's not like all the schools are gone. Even if a few are removed permanently, it's something the palestinians have to deal with for intentionally killing Israeli civilians. Actions have consequences.



Prior to 1948, let us remember, it was Palestine, all of it. Suddenly some jewish militia start rising up, and the next thing, it's Israel. That's a really sucky deal for the Palestinians, isn't it? Being kicked out of their own country by some foreign upstarts. I think that the way they went about making an Israel (and then the constant annexation of new land into it) was just totally the wrong way.

Had they done it right, we might have had an Israel and Palestine alongside each other, existing in peace.

Prior to 1948, let us remember, it was Palestine, all of it. Suddenly some jewish militia start rising up, and the next thing, it's Israel. That's a really sucky deal for the Palestinians, isn't it? Being kicked out of their own country by some foreign upstarts. I think that the way they went about making an Israel (and then the constant annexation of new land into it) was just totally the wrong way.

Had they done it right, we might have had an Israel and Palestine alongside each other, existing in peace.
Who kicked anyone out? If I recall, the Palestinians left so the Arab world could go genocide on Israel. Then the Arabs got their collective asses kicked and the Palestinians have been bitching ever since.

Prior to 1948, let us remember, it was Palestine, all of it. Suddenly some jewish militia start rising up, and the next thing, it's Israel. That's a really sucky deal for the Palestinians, isn't it? Being kicked out of their own country by some foreign upstarts. I think that the way they went about making an Israel (and then the constant annexation of new land into it) was just totally the wrong way.

Had they done it right, we might have had an Israel and Palestine alongside each other, existing in peace.
The palestinians weren't forced to leave. They left to make it easier for the invading arab armies to slaughter all the Jews. When the Jews won it's no surprise they didn't want to let the palestinians back in.

"He who stands against Israel stands against God."
save all your religios propaganda..for those who still beleive that: there was only one Genocide(Holocaust)..and that the only victims were Jews.

I do not buy all that "Chosen People" jewish Bullshit...

According to the Washington Post;

Hamas claimed responsibility Thursday for salvos -- 30 mortars and 26 rockets, one of the biggest barrages in four years of violence...the barrage was retaliation for the death of two Palestinians on Wednesday. One blew himself up with a bomb he was apparently trying to plant, and the other was shot dead by soldiers as he approached a settlement.

And neither the Palestinians nor the Israelis are considering the cease-fire as broken. Palestinian President Abbas has fired two senior security officials over the matter.

And neither the Palestinians nor the Israelis are considering the cease-fire as broken.
they are likely the only people in the whole World that are considering that :gundge:

cease-fire RIP...
the poster that said it would last 2 weeks was too optimistic.

they are likely the only people in the whole World that are considering that :gundge:

cease-fire RIP...
the poster that said it would last 2 weeks was too optimistic.

Its their opinoon that troubles me most - if they buy it, at least were on the lath.

Christ...the people onthis board

'No Israeli would EVER do anything wrong, they are superiour beings of course! And those evil arabs, well, they are all subhuman scum and deserve to die. They don't deserve their land back - it doesn't matter if they are ethnically cleansed because they are an inferiour race. Besides, some ancient book says that this 'God' bloke who had magical powers said that the Jews could have Israel, therefore they should! Oh, and don't try and deny this or you supported Hitler'

Fucking hell. It is so easy to see how people are able to torture innocents now if you morons will believe these shitty generalisations about groups of people so easily. Why not just round up all the palestinians and send them to death camps because they aren't Israeli?

Scum.

Christ...the people onthis board

'No Israeli would EVER do anything wrong, they are superiour beings of course! And those evil arabs, well, they are all subhuman scum and deserve to die. They don't deserve their land back - it doesn't matter if they are ethnically cleansed because they are an inferiour race. Besides, some ancient book says that this 'God' bloke who had magical powers said that the Jews could have Israel, therefore they should! Oh, and don't try and deny this or you supported Hitler'

Fucking hell. It is so easy to see how people are able to torture innocents now if you morons will believe these shitty generalisations about groups of people so easily. Why not just round up all the palestinians and send them to death camps because they aren't Israeli?

Scum.
Nobody ever said that the Israelis were perfect. Still, if an Israeli soldier gets out of line he is punished. If a palestinian sniper kills a baby in it's father's lap he's greeted as a hero.

save all your religios propaganda..for those who still beleive that: there was only one Genocide(Holocaust)..and that the only victims were Jews.

Who believes that? :confused:

I do not buy all that "Chosen People" jewish Bullshit...

So, I assume, you similarly reject all the other "chosen people" doctrines? Including those of Christianity, Islam, the Chinese, as well as quite a few native American belief systems as well?

"I'm special and unique because my religion says so" isn't exactly a new idea.

Nobody ever said that the Israelis were perfect. Still, if an Israeli soldier gets out of line he is punished. If a palestinian sniper kills a baby in it's father's lap he's greeted as a hero.
Not only that, but if a guy kills himself blowing up a bunch of innocent schoolkids, his family is treated as if he did something honorable, while really he is a coward, a lunatic, a criminal, and a sorry excuse for a human being. When the despicable cowards known as the Palestinian "militants" all die, maybe we'll have peace there. Until then, I don't mind the Israelis killing them when they get the chance.

Not only that, but if a guy kills himself blowing up a bunch of innocent schoolkids, his family is treated as if he did something honorable, while really he is a coward, a lunatic, a criminal, and a sorry excuse for a human being. When the despicable cowards known as the Palestinian "militants" all die, maybe we'll have peace there. Until then, I don't mind the Israelis killing them when they get the chance.

See what I mean? Yes, the suicide bomber is a coward whilst the Israelis are heros for killing innocents (I'm not talking about terroists - accept that Israelis often kill people who have nothing to do with terroism) . Newsflash - THEY ARE JUST AS BAD AS EACH OTHER. To deny this is just to admit you are racist.

Not only that, but if a guy kills himself blowing up a bunch of innocent schoolkids, his family is treated as if he did something honorable, while really he is a coward, a lunatic, a criminal, and a sorry excuse for a human being. When the despicable cowards known as the Palestinian "militants" all die, maybe we'll have peace there. Until then, I don't mind the Israelis killing them when they get the chance.
have you ever heard of a "viscious cycle"

kill palestinians, make militants, no peace because of militants, kill more israelis.

you see where this is going, well probably not i doubt your logic circuits are working correctly

See what I mean? Yes, the suicide bomber is a coward whilst the Israelis are heros for killing innocents (I'm not talking about terroists - accept that Israelis often kill people who have nothing to do with terroism) . Newsflash - THEY ARE JUST AS BAD AS EACH OTHER. To deny this is just to admit you are racist.
BULLSHIT!!!!! Israeli soldiers who intentionally kill civilians get punished. Palestinian militants who intentionally kill civilians get treated like heros and glorious martyrs. I'll side with the Israelis any day.

have you ever heard of a "viscious cycle"

kill palestinians, make militants, no peace because of militants, kill more israelis.

you see where this is going, well probably not i doubt your logic circuits are working correctly
The cycle will end when things get so bad for the palestinian people that they turn on the terrorists that disrupt peace. Not before that.

BULLSHIT!!!!! Israeli soldiers who intentionally kill civilians get punished. Palestinian militants who intentionally kill civilians get treated like heros and glorious martyrs. I'll side with the Israelis any day.

Really? I suppose that a good majority of Palestinian innocents killed are struck off as being 'accidents' then, since I don't see a large amount of Israelis being charged, and there are many many Palestinian innocents killed. Oh, sure, they may arrest a few as a token gesture but I bet in the vast majority of cases they just say 'Ah well, I guess he thought he was a terroist. What are you going to do, eh? *snicker*'

The cycle will end when things get so bad for the palestinian people that they turn on the terrorists that disrupt peace. Not before that.
wow, its like talknig to an idiot... oh wait.

the palestians dont have a damn reason to turn on the terrorists as long as the israelis keep killing them.

Really? I suppose that a good majority of Palestinian innocents killed are struck off as being 'accidents' then, since I don't see a large amount of Israelis being charged, and there are many many Palestinian innocents killed. Oh, sure, they may arrest a few as a token gesture but I bet in the vast majority of cases they just say 'Ah well, I guess he thought he was a terroist. What are you going to do, eh? *snicker*'
When the terrorists pick populated areas to build their bombs and locate their headquarters civilian casualties are inevitable. And the Palestinians have a proven history of inflating the number of civilian deaths. They've claimed entire fucking massacres that turned out to be lies for fuck's sake!

wow, its like talknig to an idiot... oh wait.

the palestians dont have a damn reason to turn on the terrorists as long as the israelis keep killing them.
Sure. The Israelis will leave palestinian territories alone if there are no attacks on Israel. Thanks for the ad hominem. It really proves your point.

Sure. The Israelis will leave palestinian territories alone if there are no attacks on Israel. Thanks for the ad hominem. It really proves your point.
no, israelis will not leave palestinian territories alnoe because a) israelis illegally make their homes in palestinian territory and b) the israelis still hold the control over those areas and make up rules as they go

the only answer is to give the palestinians their own state and tell the israelis to stay in their corner and the palestinians in theirs. then the palestinians might care about stoppnig the terrorists and the israelis can shoot people

See what I mean? Yes, the suicide bomber is a coward whilst the Israelis are heros for killing innocents (I'm not talking about terroists - accept that Israelis often kill people who have nothing to do with terroism) . Newsflash - THEY ARE JUST AS BAD AS EACH OTHER. To deny this is just to admit you are racist.
Actually no. To deny the Israelis are as bad as the Palestinians is to affirm that democracy and the rule of law are better than tyranny. To affirm that innocents are worth sparing, even if you take casualties yourself saving them. (There are numerous examples of that in the actions Israel has taken) It is to affirm that the values generally received as right and good over the last five milllenia are indeed right and good. It is to condemn hatred, to condemn terrorism, to condemn the evil that is supported by HAMAS and Fatah and all of their wicked brothers. The Israelis never intentionally target innocents, something the Palestinians do often, as a matter of strategy.

no, israelis will not leave palestinian territories alnoe because a) israelis illegally make their homes in palestinian territory and b) the israelis still hold the control over those areas and make up rules as they go

the only answer is to give the palestinians their own state and tell the israelis to stay in their corner and the palestinians in theirs. then the palestinians might care about stoppnig the terrorists and the israelis can shoot people
I agree there should be a two state solution. The palestinians have turned such a plan down in the past though, no?

It doesn't make a difference.

We are all human.

When we bleed, do we not all bleed the same red fluid of life?

No. My cold black heart pumps oil, not blood.

Palastine should give it up, it's not even a real country. It used to be part of jordan, and to jordan it should be returned. (Not that jordan wants it).

I agree there should be a two state solution. The palestinians have turned such a plan down in the past though, no?
No there should not be a two state solution. The Palestinians have done nothing to deserve a state, and have perpetuated a violent state of affairs that would have been ended if the Arab coutries had tried to assimilate the refugees from the conflicts in the area. Every Jew living in an Arab country was forced out, from Morocco to Syria, in 1949. Israel absorbed all of those refugees. The Arab neighbors should return the favor, let bygones be bygones, and let everyone get on with life.

No there should not be a two state solution. The Palestinians have done nothing to deserve a state, and have perpetuated a violent state of affairs that would have been ended if the Arab coutries had tried to assimilate the refugees from the conflicts in the area. Every Jew living in an Arab country was forced out, from Morocco to Syria, in 1949. Israel absorbed all of those refugees. The Arab neighbors should retuurn the favor, let bygones be bygones, and let everyone get on with life.
well israel did exist until it was created, displacing everyone who had been living there. do you think where israel is now used to be a big patch of nothing, or some magical spell was used to create new land out of nowhere, or are you dumb enoguh to believe israel was always there as it is now?

give the palestinians and state and shut the fuck up

well israel did exist until it was created, displacing everyone who had been living there. do you think where israel is now used to be a big patch of nothing, or some magical spell was used to create new land out of nowhere, or are you dumb enoguh to believe israel was always there as it is now?

give the palestinians and state and shut the fuck up
Actually, the land which Israel sat upon in 1948 was almost entirely owned by the World Zionist Organisation. All the UN did was declare that private land a new country. The Arab invasion shortly thereafter resulted in a loss of territory, something which often occurs in war, and in this case gave the Israelis borders they could defend. The people now calling themselves "Palestinians" are in reality Jordanians, with a few Syrians. They should go back to their real homes there and leave the world a more peaceful place.

And you, Chess Squares, should at least command a modicum of facts before denouncing others. You'll find, as in this case, that others actually know a great deal about the subject at hand.