NationStates Jolt Archive


why does the media waste it's time with this junk?

Bottle
10-02-2005, 13:11
As if Americans weren't already being spoon-fed enough superstitious lunacy by Talibangelists like Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, now the New York Times has elected to waste otherwise useful ink and wood pulp on the ramblings of an oft-refuted and bumbling Creationist. Michael Behe's column, entitled "Design For Living," sets out to illuminate the arguments surrounding the modern vision of intelligent design. It succeeds perhaps even better than he realizes. For anyone with a rudimentary understanding of science or logic, Behe's arguments are ludicrous almost to the point of satire, and they neatly sum up the stupidity of contemporary creationism.

[The article may be found here: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/07/opinion/07behe.html?ex=1265518800&en=
b530716e1f96e7ba&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland]

Behe begins by asserting that creation theory rests on "physical evidence and a straightforward application of logic." However, you won't find any of this evidence presented in Behe's column, nor will the straightforward application of logic allow you to accept any of his conclusions.

According to Behe, the contemporary argument for creationism is composed of "four linked claims," the first of which is that "we can often recognize the effects of design in nature." Behe baldly states that this first claim is undisputed, even though it is disputed by a great many people. A little thing like reality can't stop Behe. His idea of support for this claim is to point out that natural geological forces cannot explain the current form of Mount Rushmore.

Yes, he actually said that. Yes, the New York Times actually printed that.

Who wants to be the one to tell Behe that the "intelligent designer" behind Mount Rushmore was a guy from Idaho? Or that nobody with the brains to tie their shoes needs creationism to explain where sculptures come from? Or shall we just let him continue?

The second claim in the argument for intelligent design, according to Behe, is that there is physical evidence of intelligent design in aspects of biology. As before, Behe assures us that this claim is uncontroversial, and in one sense he is right; no reputable scientists agree with that claim, so there really isn't any controversy to speak of. There is ambiguous evidence, features or traits of biological systems that we haven't currently explained, and there are many beautiful and ordered aspects of biology, but no true scientist would claim any of these are evidence of intelligent design. Behe also takes this opportunity to dishonestly portray the famous researchers Watson and Crick as supporters of creationism, despite the fact that both were quite vocal about their rejection of any such model.

The third claim Behe presents is the statement that "we have no good explanation for the foundation of life that doesn't involve intelligence." This is a complete falsehood, since we not only have plenty of good non-ID explanations for the foundation of life, but we also don't have a single good explanation that DOES involve intelligent design. Behe makes a classic creationist mistake by persistently attacking the theory of evolution, as opposed to producing any evidence at all for intelligent design, apparently with the belief that any flaws or questions remaining in modern science will automatically justify belief in a magical creation scenario. Of course, claiming that the holes in evolution theory confirm intelligent design is like claiming that Columbus' misidentification of the West Indies means that the world really is flat after all.

He also lies, point blank, when he claims that "although natural selection can explain some aspects of biology, there are no research studies indicating that Darwinian processes can make molecular machines of the complexity we find in the cell." As a matter of fact, it's not at all difficult to find an extensive list of studies showing exactly that (http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/behe/publish.html).

The fourth and final claim in the argument for ID is that "in the absence of any convincing non-design explanation, we are justified in thinking that real intelligent design was involved in life." This is essentially the same as saying that because we haven't been able to determine if there is/was life on other planets, we are justified in thinking that Jupiter is inhabited by a race of 2000-ton fluorescent orange centaurs.

In the end, the only thing sadder than Michael Behe's latest effort is the fact that it was given space in an otherwise reputable publication. Well, that, and the fact that the majority of Americans probably wouldn't see a damn thing wrong with it.
Jeruselem
10-02-2005, 13:14
Talibangelists?

How's Mullah Pat Robertson? :p
Bottle
10-02-2005, 13:15
Talibangelists?

How's Mullah Pat Robertson? :p
yeah, sorry about that, i did a little editorializing of my own :P. but i calls a fish a fish, i does :).
Refused Party Program
10-02-2005, 13:17
yeah, sorry about that, i did a little editorializing of my own :P. but i calls a fish a fish, i does :).

What do you call Wanda?
Bottle
10-02-2005, 13:22
What do you call Wanda?
well, i call her...wait, what was the second thing? :)

i love that movie.
Bottle
10-02-2005, 14:19
hmm, i guess it was too early for an article of this length? perhaps i shall try again later...
Keruvalia
10-02-2005, 14:21
Who knows why the media does what it does. 99% of it is pablum, so just hang on and enjoy the ride.

Oh ... and "talibangelists" ... I love it! I think I'll use that little gem.
Jeruselem
10-02-2005, 14:35
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Behe

Behe has written editorial features in the Boston Review, American Spectator, and New York Times.

He's a proper University academic and all. He works for the Center for Science and Culture, part of the Discovery Institute (a conservative Christian thinktank :eek: )
Bitchkitten
10-02-2005, 14:38
Talibangelists?

How's Mullah Pat Robertson? :p

In Texas we called them Talibaptists. :gundge:
Bottle
10-02-2005, 14:41
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Behe

Behe has written editorial features in the Boston Review, American Spectator, and New York Times.

He's a proper University academic and all. He works for the Center for Science and Culture, part of the Discovery Institute (a conservative Christian thinktank :eek: )
he's an academic, for sure, but he's nothing even approaching a scientist. he's been debunked so many times it's stopped being funny, gone way past being funny, and the looped all the way around back to being funny again.
Chicken pi
10-02-2005, 14:42
A little thing like reality can't stop Behe. His idea of support for this claim is to point out that natural geological forces cannot explain the current form of Mount Rushmore.

Yes, he actually said that. Yes, the New York Times actually printed that.

Who wants to be the one to tell Behe that the "intelligent designer" behind Mount Rushmore was a guy from Idaho? Or that nobody with the brains to tie their shoes needs creationism to explain where sculptures come from? Or shall we just let him continue?


He actually believes that God created Mount Rushmore? I thought that most people actually knew a little bit about their national monuments. You know, little facts like "Mount Rushmore was not carved by God in order to pay homage to several famous historical presidents".
Bottle
10-02-2005, 14:46
He actually believes that God created Mount Rushmore? I thought that most people actually knew a little bit about their national monuments. You know, little facts like "Mount Rushmore was not carved by God in order to pay homage to several famous historical presidents".
i think he was trying to claim that, because natural forces cannot explain the carvings on Mount Rushmore, that means that natural forces cannot explain any of the order we see in the natural world. of course, there's not a scientist alive who claims that Mount Rushmore was formed by natural forces, but Behe doesn't seem to grasp that.
Independent Homesteads
10-02-2005, 14:49
"Intelligent Design" has been around as an argument for the existence of god since forever, and it only takes 2 seconds to explain the argument. Why would you want to put it in a newspaper? Why would you want to read about it? I don't get it.
Bottle
10-02-2005, 14:50
"Intelligent Design" has been around as an argument for the existence of god since forever, and it only takes 2 seconds to explain the argument. Why would you want to put it in a newspaper? Why would you want to read about it? I don't get it.
that's what i'm saying. if Behe had presented some new arguments for ID, or if he had at least discussed the historical precidents or social implications, then maybe there would be a reason to run his piece. but all he did was re-hash the same tired tripe that has been around for centuries.