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Everybody seems a bit hung up on the "Does God exist?" debate. So, i'm here to present you with something that should be a little bit easier.
Or should it?
Here it is:

Prove that you exist.

Everybody seems a bit hung up on the "Does God exist?" debate. So, i'm here to present you with something that should be a little bit easier.
Or should it?
Here it is:

Prove that you exist.

Ok.

I think therefore i am

Sorry, I'm just an application that can pass the Turing test.

*Prooves it,
then submits invisible proof*
There you go

*touches self* man i have some soft skin! oh.....yeah......*touches self*


i must exist.


*touches self one more time for good measure*

Whispering Legs: Sorry, I'm just an application that can pass the Turing test.

ProMonkians: Why are you sorry that you are just an application that can pass the Turing test?

After searching desperate for any kind of proof for my existence for whole seconds, I decided that there is none and that I furthermore do not exist.
So please don't mind me, I'm just an imagination on your isolated minds.

Passing through customs, an ex boyfriend of my now wife was stopped by immigration. The officer loked at the photo in the pasport, then at the bearer. Then asked: "Are you sure that you are you?"


If anyone can ask me if I am me there has to be a me to be asked. Ergo I exist.

(Seriously flawed, but fun)

I think therefore i am

In order for that to work you first need to prove that thinking requires an agent (the 'I' in the cogito). Realistically the best that can be done is to state 'there is thinking', and to leave it at that.

I think therefore i am
But how do I know I am not hallucinating you?

In order for that to work you first need to prove that thinking requires an agent (the 'I' in the cogito). Realistically the best that can be done is to state 'there is thinking', and to leave it at that.
damn...

But how do I know I am not hallucinating you?
maybe you are?

that would be much more fun....

After searching desperate for any kind of proof for my existence for whole seconds, I decided that there is none and that I furthermore do not exist.
So please don't mind me, I'm just an imagination on your isolated minds.
Minds?
No, mind. I'm the only one here who exists. None of you can prove to me that you exist, therefore I must be the only one here who does.
;)

Prove that you exist.
I can't.

I can't.
Good, neither can I.

Minds?
No, mind. I'm the only one here who exists. None of you can prove to me that you exist, therefore I must be the only one here who does.
Then you must be very isolated.^^

I don't exist! I am a figment of the imagination of all the strange & wonderful people out there!

:d

I see the world,
within this world I see you.
within this world, I see me.
The question if this world with you and me in it is just
my view of a none existant world, or not, doesn't matter.
In my view of the world, I exist. (and so do you)

I don't exist! I am a figment of the imagination of all the strange & wonderful people out there!

:d

Damm straight! Now get back into my subconcious so I can re-repress you! :p

Because my mommy told me so. But science doesnt care enough about me to prove that I exist which means.......i dont know but it means something

It's no more possible to prove then the existance of god. There is no true objective truth because every bit of information we interpret goes through a subjective filter. You can be certain beyond a reasonable doubt, but there is no diffinitive proof in such matters. Therefore there is no better question for your answer then for the question 'Does god exist?'. I'm sure that's the answer you were implying in your post.

This doesn't mean you can win an arguement or dodge a question by saying 'You can't prove anything!'. I can be pretty damn sure that a fact is a fact to the point where, for our intents and purposes, it is a fact. It is convention that if I and everyone else that has eyes can see it, then it exists. Sure, we could all be imaging it, but it's not likely.

I exist, obviously. Without me nothing would be possible.

I exist, obviously. Without me nothing would be possible.
:eek:
Is that you, God?

In order for that to work you first need to prove that thinking requires an agent (the 'I' in the cogito). Realistically the best that can be done is to state 'there is thinking', and to leave it at that.
One cannot deny the existence of consciousness while using consciousness to deny it. It's not rational. That's sufficient proof, I think, that consciousness exists.

But how do I know I am not hallucinating you?

Could you at least hallucinate me with wings, horns, and lightning bolts shooting out of my fingertips?

Could you at least hallucinate me with wings, horns, and lightning bolts shooting out of my fingertips?
You mean you aren't already like that?
:D

:eek:
Is that you, God?
No. I'm God, he isn't.

Minds?
No, mind. I'm the only one here who exists. None of you can prove to me that you exist, therefore I must be the only one here who does.

Ah. Solipsism. Not as fun as anti-solipsism, but amusing to do nevertheless.

One cannot deny the existence of consciousness while using consciousness to deny it. It's not rational. That's sufficient proof, I think, that consciousness exists.

yay will!

One cannot deny the existence of consciousness while using consciousness to deny it. It's not rational. That's sufficient proof, I think, that consciousness exists.

I am not denying the existence of consciousness, far from it, I am saying that the most that can be said is that consciousness exists. Whether that consciousness requires and agent is a very different matter, and we are unable to answer that question. It could be an instance of thought thinking itself.

Lets break down the cogito here shall we:

1. Thought is perceived
2. Descartes assumes that he is the agent which thinks.
3. Descartes thus defines himself as a thinking thing.
4. Descartes ths believes to have proven that he exists.

However, step 2 is an unsound one. There is no conclusive evidence to suggest that all thought must have an agent.

I don't exist. You must be very disturbed to be reading imaginary posts from an imaginary person. Commit yourself to a mental institution immediately.

No. I'm God, he isn't.


Ah. Solipsism. Not as fun as anti-solipsism, but amusing to do nevertheless.

i Never said I was God. Just egotistical. Which reminds me. Shouldn't you all be paying me some form of tribute for existing. I can't be expected to do it for free y'know.

I don't exist. You must be very disturbed to be reading imaginary posts from an imaginary person. Commit yourself to a mental institution immediately.


uh oh....I hope you exist. I threaten all the mean people I meet that my evil personal body guard ,DC, is going to wreak havoc on them.....


:eek:

uh oh....I hope you exist. I threaten all the mean people I meet that my evil personal body guard ,DC, is going to wreak havoc on them.....


:eek:
Imagine how frightened they'll be when they find I'm a violent voice in your head.

I don't exist. You must be very disturbed to be reading imaginary posts from an imaginary person. Commit yourself to a mental institution immediately.

I would, but they won't accept me. So I decided to revel in my imagination, able to create such a pleasant character, before trying to run from an imaginary lion and falling down some real stairs.

Let that be a lesson to all. Your imagination is bad. Do away with it. And give me tribute for enlightening you.

Imagine how frightened they'll be when they find I'm a violent voice in your head.

True.....and you are that voice in my head...I'm sure of it. ;)


but I cant kick ass like you can I dont think.

*looks through book of baddasses.....Drunk Commies at top of list*

I don't exist. You must be very disturbed to be reading imaginary posts from an imaginary person. Commit yourself to a mental institution immediately.
Don't worry, i'm already taking pills for that.
:D

Prove that you exist.

Why bother?

Sorry, I'm just an application that can pass the Turing test.
I can't even do that.

Why bother?
Well, if someoine can't even prove they themselves exist, how can they prove god exists?

Prove that you exist.
I get taxed, therefore I exist. Otherwise I'm being scammed.

Anyway, same thing, I guess. Since ours is a concensual reality it's all about what other people think.

I see the world,
within this world I see you.
within this world, I see me.
The question if this world with you and me in it is just
my view of a none existant world, or not, doesn't matter.
In my view of the world, I exist. (and so do you)
Ok, but... who the heck are you? Or what are you?

However, step 2 is an unsound one. There is no conclusive evidence to suggest that all thought must have an agent.
So far there's no evidence of that happening. If that thought happens without materializing itself, without becoming acting or actionable, can we say it exists?

Well, if someoine can't even prove they themselves exist, how can they prove god exists?

Yeah, right. Like I'm gonna waste a bunch of time explaining anything to a bunch of people who probably don't even exist. I pay my taxes.

I am not denying the existence of consciousness, far from it, I am saying that the most that can be said is that consciousness exists. Whether that consciousness requires and agent is a very different matter, and we are unable to answer that question. It could be an instance of thought thinking itself.

Lets break down the cogito here shall we:

1. Thought is perceived
2. Descartes assumes that he is the agent which thinks.
3. Descartes thus defines himself as a thinking thing.
4. Descartes ths believes to have proven that he exists.

However, step 2 is an unsound one. There is no conclusive evidence to suggest that all thought must have an agent.
Consciousness is "I". It is the faulty of awareness, the centre of awareness.

Thought is experienced by consciousness. Reality is perceived by consciousness as something external to it; in other words, consciousness is only conscious if it is aware of things external to it. I don't know or really care what Descartes rationalized; he was right in saying, 'I exist, therefore I am'. Existence preceeds consciousness, because with nothing to perceive there is no consciousness. There is no "I".

i noticed Neo hasnt tried to prove she exists...maybe shes a figment of our imaginations?

Everybody seems a bit hung up on the "Does God exist?" debate. So, i'm here to present you with something that should be a little bit easier.
Or should it?
Here it is:

Prove that you exist.

I must exist. Because otherwise, my clothes are wandering about the landscape by themselves! :eek:

You mean you aren't already like that?
:D

I am now, thanks. :)

Lets break down the cogito here shall we:

1. Thought is perceived
2. Descartes assumes that he is the agent which thinks.
3. Descartes thus defines himself as a thinking thing.
4. Descartes ths believes to have proven that he exists.

However, step 2 is an unsound one. There is no conclusive evidence to suggest that all thought must have an agent.

Before you get to step two you have to deal with step one. "Thought is percieved" (ie, not ei)
There are two arguments here, one serious, the other completely tongue in cheek

Serious.
Perception is something that requires, logically, an agent. It makes no sense whatsoever to say "Thought is perceived but there is not necessarily a perceiver that does this."
You then slide the argument away from the perception to the thinking. This is not the cogito in its true form. The true form the doubt, i.e. a feeling, is the cause of the necessity of the agent. There must be something that doubts. This is not questionable in the same way that "there must be something that thinks" is. Thought is not necessarily personal, doubt however, is.

Tongue in cheek
You misspelt perceive. I would never do this. I disagree with you in behaviour, ergo there is an I that is different to you. I exist.

I'm too amazing NOT to exist!!

:D

Bitchkitten doesn't exist. But the cat that walks across the keyboard and accidently makes sense once in a while does.

I drink (whiskey) (lots of lovely whiskey)

there fore

am

I.

Of course I exist.

I am always here. Sometimes the rest of you go away.

I don't. I am a figment of my own imagination.

But how do I know I am not hallucinating you?
Better yet how do you know you're not hallucinating yourself? :p