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9. Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.

that should be legal within taxonomic subfamily. gay marriage shouldn't though.

lol nice summary (mind if I ask where you found it?)


a blog somewhere.

i don't think it's up anymore, but i posted a copy on another debate like this, and just copy/pasted it from there

a blog somewhere.

i don't think it's up anymore, but i posted a copy on another debate like this, and just copy/pasted it from there
Fair enough :D

I can still see a lot of discrimination come from it though. "Oh, you're not REALLY married, you just have one of those phony union things. No, you can't see your wife/husband/whatever in the intensive care ward." or "No, you can't inherit your spouse's wealthy, because you weren't REALLY married." or "No, you can't have your dental benefits passed to your spouse, because you aren't REALLY married." or even just informal discrimination that happens around town.

Which why he's said something about the meaning, or meaninglessness, of a title. It's no good without benefits, which should be main focus on the argument. I don't think anybody is trying to get gay marriage legalized simply for the sake of it being called gay marriage.

gay marriage shouldn't though.

would you like to back that statement up before you impose your bigotry on the rest of the rational and open-minded populace?

lol nice summary (mind if I ask where you found it?)
http://grove.ufl.edu/~ggsa/pdf/gaymarriage.pdf

http://grove.ufl.edu/~ggsa/pdf/gaymarriage.pdf


*shrug*

i guess they had to get it from somewhere, too

that should be legal within taxonomic subfamily. gay marriage shouldn't though.

care to explain why? or are you like the dozens of other drive by people who like to say exactly how it should be without any supporting arguements? You are entitled to your opinions of course, but I would like to know the logic (or lack there of) behind them. Particularly if you want the slightlest chance of my conceding anything to your arguement.

Which why he's said something about the meaning, or meaninglessness, of a title. It's no good without benefits, which should be main focus on the argument. I don't think anybody is trying to get gay marriage legalized simply for the sake of it being called gay marriage.
kemp: I think that's the whole point

*shrug*

i guess they had to get it from somewhere, too


LOL, it was posted on this thread earlier and I've made it a point to bookmark things I like that support my arguements. I've really learned a lot in this discussion!

They also made it impossible for straight men to wear leather chaps.

Ooohhh...leather chaps...yummy...with nice buttocks showing...mmmm...drool. :fluffle:

care to explain why? or are you like the dozens of other drive by people who like to say exactly how it should be without any supporting arguements? You are entitled to your opinions of course, but I would like to know the logic (or lack there of) behind them. Particularly if you want the slightlest chance of my conceding anything to your arguement.

don't know much about this, just saying my opinion. i don't mean it too heavily so i don't have anything to back it up. if you'd like to argue with my about religion economy biology or theoretical physics i'd be able to back any of my opinions there. not in this thread though.

don't know much about this, just saying my opinion. i don't mean it too heavily so i don't have anything to back it up. if you'd like to argue with my about religion economy biology or theoretical physics i'd be able to back any of my opinions there. not in this thread though.


While I certainly cannot stop you from posting, I fail to see why you would share you opinion and not be willing to at least try to back it up. It seems to me that if you can't back it up, its not worth holding or sharing--but that is a personal opinion :)

While I think it is not right if it has all the LEGAL standings it would be at least a step ... as long as we are not satisfied with staying there
I dig you and I don't disagree, I'm just trying to think out the unintended consequences.

I can still see a lot of discrimination come from it though. "Oh, you're not REALLY married, you just have one of those phony union things. No, you can't see your wife/husband/whatever in the intensive care ward." or "No, you can't inherit your spouse's wealthy, because you weren't REALLY married." or "No, you can't have your dental benefits passed to your spouse, because you aren't REALLY married." or even just informal discrimination that happens around town.
i wouldn't give a damn about the informal discrimination, and the "formal" discrimination would be illegal. if anybody tried to stop me from exercising my rights i would sue them or get them put in prison. i'd be perfectly fine with self-righteous and arrogant people turning their noses up at my civil union, because i wouldn't touch their "holy matrimony" with a ten foot pole.

i'm not about to read through all 84 pages of this, but here, i think this is pertinent, and neatly executes any and all arguments against homosexual marrige:




any arguments that they have against it from this point forwards are now to be shot dead as per these twelve points.
LOL

The ironic bit, is that there are some people who will look at this and take it seriously as a good list to argue from. There are some bits that almost no one would agree with (except supremecist groups), but just as the naked arguments without any elaboration stands, I've heard most of these and they all suck.

don't know much about this, just saying my opinion. i don't mean it too heavily so i don't have anything to back it up. if you'd like to argue with my about religion economy biology or theoretical physics i'd be able to back any of my opinions there. not in this thread though.
How can one have an opinion on a matter without any reasoning behind it? I have subjects that I have incomplete reasoning on, so I don't take a position other then a neutral one.

I say let the people decide...oh wait...that worked out well so far in the United States for gay marriage...opps...


Ya know in some states it is already defined as man and woman?

If the gay rights movement didnt make it mainstream during a REPUBLICANS STAY IN OFFICE they might not have this battle there haveing. Should of pushed for it hard during Clintons Administration or waited for the next Demo to take office.

I say let the people decide...oh wait...that worked out well so far in the United States for gay marriage...opps...


Ya know in some states it is already defined as man and woman?

If the gay rights movement didnt make it mainstream during a REPUBLICANS STAY IN OFFICE they might not have this battle there haveing. Should of pushed for it hard during Clintons Administration or waited for the next Demo to take office.
Here's the upshot. When the republicans come out of power, gay marriage will already be an issue that's been around which gives it a better chance of being addressed then a new issue. By having been around, it will have made all the rounds on the radio, television, internet and newspapers. It will have gained a lot of steam by that point. Brand new issues don't get much done about them. It is the festering injustices that are addressed.

You know what should be done about gay marriage? You and all the other bible/dictionary (sometimes) thumping conservative slack-jawed intolerant repugnant pigs of sloths of hicks can relocate to the pacific, bringing only the clothes on your back, food, and your clouded views and sail around trying to see which country will take you in first. Won't be china, you're too stupid. Won't be the UK, they've already approved CIVIL UNIONS. Try your luck with Iraq. They probably see eye to eye with you on this whole homosexual thing. In fact I bet they'd up the ante by declaring all homosexuals (non Iraqis and non Americans) infidels and subsequently having their important landmarks destroyed.

Have fun, backwards bastards. :p

P.S- I'm bi. So Fuck you. What's your policy on me? Not sure? Why not look it up in a 2000 year old manuscript that was full of crap even before it got 600 of it's books burned, translated to latin, translated then again into english, and altered to fit the translator's views slightly along the way? Maybe IT has your answer?

You know what should be done about gay marriage? You and all the other bible/dictionary (sometimes) thumping conservative slack-jawed intolerant repugnant pigs of sloths of hicks can relocate to the pacific, bringing only the clothes on your back, food, and your clouded views and sail around trying to see which country will take you in first. Won't be china, you're too stupid. Won't be the UK, they've already approved CIVIL UNIONS. Try your luck with Iraq. They probably see eye to eye with you on this whole homosexual thing. In fact I bet they'd up the ante by declaring all homosexuals (non Iraqis and non Americans) infidels and subsequently having their important landmarks destroyed.

Have fun, backwards bastards. :p

P.S- I'm bi. So Fuck you. What's your policy on me? Not sure? Why not look it up in a 2000 year old manuscript that was full of crap even before it got 600 of it's books burned, translated to latin, translated then again into english, and altered to fit the translator's views slightly along the way? Maybe IT has your answer?

i oppose gay marriage and am extremely against christianity, so do i get to remain here? na, i'm goin to move to northern greenland anyways.

1) On the day of a gay wedding, it's bad luck for the two grooms to see each other at the gym.

2) Superstition suggests that for good luck the couple should have: Something bold, something flirty, something trashy, something dirty.

3) It's customary at gay and lesbian nuptials for the parents to have an open bar during the entire ceremony.

4) Gay wedding tradition dictates that both grooms refrain from eating any of the wedding cake because it's all carbs and sugar.

5)! It's considered bad luck for either of the grooms to have dated the priest.

6) During the first dance, it's considered unlucky to use glow sticks, flags, whistles or hand held lasers.

7) For good luck at the union of a drag queen, the bouquet is always thrown in the face of a hated rival.

8) The reception hall must have a disco ball and at least 1 go-go dancer.

9) The wedding singer is not allowed to play/sing Let's Hear It For the Boy, It's Raining Men or I Will Survive.

10) The father of the Bottom pays for everything!

P.S- I'm bi. So Fuck you. What's your policy on me?
Policy? You get twice the options, and my desperate jealousy.

(in all seriousness)

I agree, 1234554321, but you don't take it far enough - I say the government gets out of marriage altogether!

Everybody can have their Civil Unions, and the tax benefits (and such) of marriage will subsequently become part of Civil Unions.
I agree.

Jewish man and a Jewish woman
Halakhah, needless to say, prohibits same-sex marriage.

Homos are sick if you ask me, who would want to lay another woman? I mean, if you're a woman in the first place. I think they should get jailed for a year. And I think the government should pry into marriges more-- to make sure no one is slipping up about things, like abuse, for one thing.

"Do not practice HOMOSEXUALITY, for it is a detestible sin" Leviticus 18:22
I hate to rain on your parade, but the Hebrew language has no word for "homosexual." The JB translates Leviticus 18:22 as:

"You must not lie with a man with the lyings of a woman. It is abominible."

I say let the people decide...oh wait...that worked out well so far in the United States for gay marriage...opps...


Ya know in some states it is already defined as man and woman?

If the gay rights movement didnt make it mainstream during a REPUBLICANS STAY IN OFFICE they might not have this battle there haveing. Should of pushed for it hard during Clintons Administration or waited for the next Demo to take office.


The gay rights people aren't the ones who made this mainstream . . . Bush is.

I hate to rain on your parade, but the Hebrew language has no word for "homosexual." The JB translates Leviticus 18:22 as:

"You must not lie with a man with the lyings of a woman. It is abominible."
That's because you have different versions of the bible. It's interesting that we can watch the bible being changed today right in front of us. If we can watch it being done today, then there is no reason to believe this it wasn't happening before today, perhaps it has been happening all along. Perhaps the scriptures we have in the original language are really rewrites of previous scriptures that we're unaware of. We have no way of knowing either way. Kinda makes you want to reconsider the "inerrant" word of god.

dude... this thread is soooo boring...

Why won't you guys just let this f***ing thread die. It's on page 32 for me, and I show 40 posts per page!

Why won't you guys just let this f***ing thread die. It's on page 32 for me, and I show 40 posts per page!


dude... this thread is soooo boring...

does anybody else find it very funny and a little pitiful when people post on threads just to complain the threads are there?

at what point did you folks lose the ability to NOT click on a link? if a thread bores you, and if you want it to die, wouldn't it be wiser for you NOT to bump it to the top by posting on it? do you usually walk up to people having discussions and tell them to shut up because you don't like the topic they have chosen to discuss?

just in case it was somehow unclear to you, you are hereby invited to NOT post on this thread ever again. you are NOT required to participate on every thread in General Forum. you have the power to NOT read any thread that seems unappealing to you.

please act like grown ups (even if you aren't grown yet) and show a little basic respect.

does anybody else find it very funny and a little pitiful when people post on threads just to complain the threads are there?
It's even funnier when it's two or three posts in a row.
:p

It's even funnier when it's two or three posts in a row.
:p
it's honestly a really big pet peeve of mine, like when a bunch of suburban moms get together to ban a certain movie from the video store or something. are people really that stupid and helpless?!

here's an idea, stupids: if you don't like a movie, DON'T WATCH IT. if you don't like a thread, DON'T READ IT, and for the love of God, DON'T POST ON IT. i promise, nobody will miss your bitching about how the thread sucks and it should die. really. i swear. we will manage to get by without your whining and your rudeness and your interruptions. it's hard to imagine, i know, but it really is possible for people to have discussions that don't involve you.

just to keep this thread alive:

in Pope John Paul II's new book, the Pope has this to say about efforts to "pressure" the European parlament to accept gay marriage.

"It is legitimate and necessary to ask oneself if this is not perhaps part of a new ideology of evil, perhaps more insidious and hidden, which attempts to pit human rights against the family and against man."

somebody please explain to me how human rights can be pitted AGAINST man.

somebody please explain to me how human rights can be pitted AGAINST man.
Didn't you know it's a good thing to be oppressed?

Didn't you know it's a good thing to be oppressed?
*smacks forehead*

oh, that's right, i forgot. the Pope is, after all, spokesman for a God who periodically wipes out the human race, endorces genocide, encourages sexual abuse of children, condones domestic abuse, approves of slavery, and who figured the best possible way to express "love" would be to stand aside and allow his child to be tortured to death.

Didn't you know it's a good thing to be oppressed?
OMG! Kahta, VoteEarly, Jesussaves, is that you?

OMG! Kahta, VoteEarly, Jesussaves, is that you?
lol

it's honestly a really big pet peeve of mine, like when a bunch of suburban moms get together to ban a certain movie from the video store or something. are people really that stupid and helpless?!

here's an idea, stupids: if you don't like a movie, DON'T WATCH IT. if you don't like a thread, DON'T READ IT, and for the love of God, DON'T POST ON IT. i promise, nobody will miss your bitching about how the thread sucks and it should die. really. i swear. we will manage to get by without your whining and your rudeness and your interruptions. it's hard to imagine, i know, but it really is possible for people to have discussions that don't involve you.
You should see this movie then.

Heart of the Beholder
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0415838/

Didn't you know it's a good thing to be oppressed?I don't want to be oppressed - does that make me a masochist? :p

I don't want to be oppressed - does that make me a masochist?

*whips Helen* :D

*whips Helen* :DOoh!

*whips Helen* :D
"Crack that whip
Give the past the slip
Step on a crack
Break your momma's back

When a problem comes along
You must whip it
Before the cream sits out too long
You must whip it
When something's going wrong
You must whip it

now whip it
into shape
shape it up
get straight
go forward
move ahead
try to detect it
it's not too late
to whip it
whip it good

When a good time turns around
You must whip it
You will never live it down
Unless you whip it
No one gets their way
Until they whip it

I say whip it
Whip it good"

Wow, boy am I off-topic.

Hooray for Devo! :D [/Offtopic]

The Philosophers Constitution supports gay marriage

Emperor Gaius

A think a point a lot of people are missing is why a lot of us have the position we do - It's not all "rampant homophobia" or religious fervor - some of us just hate seeing the laws being bent and the government crumbling to minority group pressure. As I've said before, if society were to pander to every request of every niche group, the entire structure of society would disintegrate into chaos. A line in the sand has to be drawn somewhere.

A think a point a lot of people are missing is why a lot of us have the position we do - It's not all "rampant homophobia" or religious fervor - some of us just hate seeing the laws being bent and the government crumbling to minority group pressure. As I've said before, if society were to pander to every request of every niche group, the entire structure of society would disintegrate into chaos. A line in the sand has to be drawn somewhere.
i disagree. there should be no line drawn that excludes any minority group from receiving equal rights under the law. extending equal rights to all people is not "pandering"...it's simple decency.

I don't get some of the posts, should gay guys be punished, just because some of the straight guys are chickens, and (obviously) unsure of their sexuality?
That doesn't make any sense to me...

Don't complain about my spelling, please.

I would like to propose a scenario...

Two men walk into a room with noone else in it.

They lock the door.

Some time later, they come back out.


We don't know what they did in there. Maybe they just watched football and drank beer for all we know.

If, in fact, they were having sex, then who is the harmed party? What they did in that room had no effect on anybody else, so in reality, there was no harmed party.

So how can you justify punishing them for it?

So how can you justify punishing them for it?
Oh damn. There was a hilarious quote from somebody in the old thread on homosexuality (my first debate!), but it seems the thread up and left.

They also made it impossible for straight men to wear leather chaps.


Made it impossible? I wear what the hell i want. I want some freedom, and do i want to wear gay clothes even tough i aint gay i wear gay clothes. Wierdos :cool:

Yuck, this thread is smelly and bloated. Somebody should put it out of its misery. I think it's been settled. Don't leave it to rot or someboy'll catch something...

Yuck, this thread is smelly and bloated. Somebody should put it out of its misery. I think it's been settled. Don't leave it to rot or someboy'll catch something...
Way to complain about the length of a thread by adding to it :p (and by not leting it rot)

A think a point a lot of people are missing is why a lot of us have the position we do - It's not all "rampant homophobia" or religious fervor - some of us just hate seeing the laws being bent and the government crumbling to minority group pressure. As I've said before, if society were to pander to every request of every niche group, the entire structure of society would disintegrate into chaos. A line in the sand has to be drawn somewhere.
So the line has to be drawn at a point where you can do something they cant based on their sexuality ... yeah thats real fair

I was thinking, why are folks so against gay marrage? Think about this, people whine because gay folks are having sex. If that is your problem then letting them get married is the best way to stop em from having sex!

What I don't understand is why consercative people try to fix all the "faults" on people while they're still live. Why not just leave it as it is and find comfort in the fact that all these sinners are going to hell and you are not? That seems great to me.

A think a point a lot of people are missing is why a lot of us have the position we do - It's not all "rampant homophobia" or religious fervor - some of us just hate seeing the laws being bent and the government crumbling to minority group pressure. As I've said before, if society were to pander to every request of every niche group, the entire structure of society would disintegrate into chaos. A line in the sand has to be drawn somewhere.


You're right, those evil minorities just wnat to destroy society. It's not about the fact that we are ALL humans. It's about the fact that someone different than you wants to be treated as equal and that is just going to destroy your existance. How dare they!

/Sarcasm

What I don't understand is why consercative people try to fix all the "faults" on people while they're still live. Why not just leave it as it is and find comfort in the fact that all these sinners are going to hell and you are not? That seems great to me.


I've always wondered this myself. It's like the laws in Mississippi and Alabama forbidding the sale of sex toys. These two states have the worst education systems, the worst medicare systems, the highest rates of poverty, ignorance, and generalized CRAP in the nation, but what do our legislatures concern themselves with? Banning sex toys that they'll never have to see or use.

Oh, and how about this? Alabama school's are grossly underfunded (even worse than MS) and their budget's being even more slashed because they don't hav ethe money. But they are spending something like 3.5M to put an amendment to ban gay marriage and civil unions. I mean, how disgusting can you get?

Why? Let me tell you why, it is not marriage, marriage is not the joining of two people. It is the joining of one man and one woman. I dont care if gays stay together, do what they want, I dont believe in discrimination, but if they want to be joined so bad why dont they get their own Union?

Heard this one before. Boooring. Bring on the queer marriages.

What I don't understand is why consercative people try to fix all the "faults" on people while they're still live. Why not just leave it as it is and find comfort in the fact that all these sinners are going to hell and you are not? That seems great to me.


I've always wondered this myself. It's like the laws in Mississippi and Alabama forbidding the sale of sex toys. These two states have the worst education systems, the worst medicare systems, the highest rates of poverty, ignorance, and generalized CRAP in the nation, but what do our legislatures concern themselves with? Banning sex toys that they'll never have to see or use.

Oh, and how about this? Alabama school's are grossly underfunded (even worse than MS) and their budget's being even more slashed because they don't hav ethe money. But they are spending something like 3.5M to put an amendment to ban gay marriage and civil unions. I mean, how disgusting can you get?

My whole argument agaisnt gay marriage is a simple one, Marriage is a RELIGIOUS experiance, in which homosexuality is not tolerated, How ever I am fine and endorse gay unions, that is simply a legal document. Regardless on how each party feels. Marriage = Religion, Unions = Law. Done

-Sin

My whole argument agaisnt gay marriage is a simple one, Marriage is a RELIGIOUS experiance, in which homosexuality is not tolerated, How ever I am fine and endorse gay unions, that is simply a legal document. Regardless on how each party feels. Marriage = Religion, Unions = Law. Done

-Sin


And what about the religions that allow gay marriage? Why is it that no one will respond to that point?

And what about the religions that allow gay marriage? Why is it that no one will respond to that point?

...and what about religions that don't arrogantly claim dominion over language, and everything else?

And what about the religions that allow gay marriage? Why is it that no one will respond to that point?
They do ... but it usualy is with "well there are more of us"
I usualy follow up with "well islam is growing massivly if or when it supasses christianity will that make it alright for them to outlaw your form of marrige if they choose so?"

You know as long as two people love one another, then why do people care if they get married? It isnt like they are going to be bothering you or anything. People are too insecure with their sexuality and that is why they care so much! Get over yourself!

*sigh* so many ignorant little trolls in the world.....

Gay mairrage is WRONG. First off, saying someone is "gay" is the incorrect term, it is HOMOSEXUAL, or as I prefer, the more derogatory FAGGOT.

As for HOMOSEXUAL marraige, it insults the very term. Mairrage is the union between a man and a woman. NOT two men, NOT two women.

Being a HOMOSEXUAL is an insult to nature itself, as well as a sin in all the widespread religions that come to mind such as christian and muslim.

For HOMOSEXUALS to ask to have a mairrage is completely and irrevocably insulting to the rest of us people who prefer to call ourselves SEXUALLY NORMAL. Even for them to ask for a "civil union" is unthinkable in its nature, for two people to share the same rights that are entitled to SEXUALLY NORMAL people that have married.

Marriage is just another name for a contract between 2 consenting adults. The role of the state is to protect the sanctity of contract, not to define its terms.

Therefore gay marriage (or anything agreed to by 2 or more parties) should be legal! :fluffle:

Gay mairrage is WRONG. First off, saying someone is "gay" is the incorrect term, it is HOMOSEXUAL, or as I prefer, the more derogatory FAGGOT.

As for HOMOSEXUAL marraige, it insults the very term. Mairrage is the union between a man and a woman. NOT two men, NOT two women.

Being a HOMOSEXUAL is an insult to nature itself, as well as a sin in all the widespread religions that come to mind such as christian and muslim.

For HOMOSEXUALS to ask to have a mairrage is completely and irrevocably insulting to the rest of us people who prefer to call ourselves SEXUALLY NORMAL. Even for them to ask for a "civil union" is unthinkable in its nature, for two people to share the same rights that are entitled to SEXUALLY NORMAL people that have married.


I find your kind more of an insult then being Homosexual :) but I am not going to get into it with a troll

Gay mairrage is WRONG. First off, saying someone is "gay" is the incorrect term, it is HOMOSEXUAL, or as I prefer, the more derogatory FAGGOT.

As for HOMOSEXUAL marraige, it insults the very term. Mairrage is the union between a man and a woman. NOT two men, NOT two women.

Being a HOMOSEXUAL is an insult to nature itself, as well as a sin in all the widespread religions that come to mind such as christian and muslim.

For HOMOSEXUALS to ask to have a mairrage is completely and irrevocably insulting to the rest of us people who prefer to call ourselves SEXUALLY NORMAL. Even for them to ask for a "civil union" is unthinkable in its nature, for two people to share the same rights that are entitled to SEXUALLY NORMAL people that have married.

Prove it you trolling little brat. Homosexuality isn't all that uncommon in the animal world, so it IS natural.

mar·riage Audio pronunciation of "marriage" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mrj)
n.

1.
1. The legal union of a man and woman as husband and wife.
2. The state of being married; wedlock.
3. A common-law marriage.
4. A union between two persons having the customary but usually not the legal force of marriage: a same-sex marriage.
2. A wedding.
3. A close union: “the most successful marriage of beauty and blood in mainstream comics” (Lloyd Rose).
4. Games. The combination of the king and queen of the same suit, as in pinochle.

You're just another ignorant little bible thumper, get some FACTS...not crap from a millenia's old fairy tale...

What I don't understand is why consercative people try to fix all the "faults" on people while they're still live. Why not just leave it as it is and find comfort in the fact that all these sinners are going to hell and you are not? That seems great to me.
Well, I'll tell ya. You see, the curse of being a Christian is that if you are given the opportunity to bring someone to God, and you refrain because you just don't feel like it, then the damnation they suffer is on you. Which, if you think about, isn't too bad as long as you remember to ask God for forgiveness, but if you don't ever really regret not helping that person then you kinda are f@#$ed.

Most Christians are pretty nice folk, but one loathsome sort of Christian uses the Bible to justify homophobia, gay bashing, and a lack of compassion towards those suffering from AIDS. I have little tolerance for this, as the tone of these questions might suggest:

If AIDS is God's punishment to Gays for anal intercourse, does that mean lung cancer is God's punishment for smoking? If so, do you plan to picket Aunt Mildred's funeral carrying signs saying "God hates Smokers?"

If AIDS is God's punishment for sex, why is a little piece of rubber so effective at preventing it? Are all sins absolved when committed in conjunction with rubber, or just those related to sex? Can I, for example, worship graven images so long as they're made out of rubber?

In forty years do you expect your discrimination against gays be more or less embarrassing to your grandchildren than your grandparents' discrimination against blacks is to you? You may, of course, skip this question as irrelevant if you're a racist too.
that is all...

Gay mairrage is WRONG. First off, saying someone is "gay" is the incorrect term, it is HOMOSEXUAL, or as I prefer, the more derogatory FAGGOT.

As for HOMOSEXUAL marraige, it insults the very term. Mairrage is the union between a man and a woman. NOT two men, NOT two women.

Being a HOMOSEXUAL is an insult to nature itself, as well as a sin in all the widespread religions that come to mind such as christian and muslim.

For HOMOSEXUALS to ask to have a mairrage is completely and irrevocably insulting to the rest of us people who prefer to call ourselves SEXUALLY NORMAL. Even for them to ask for a "civil union" is unthinkable in its nature, for two people to share the same rights that are entitled to SEXUALLY NORMAL people that have married.

First off, I'd expect someone with the credentials to make the claims you have to be able to spell marriage correctly. Run along now, recess is over. God loves you and you are normal, providing the rest of the world is inhabited by borderline individuals. :D

everyone Just Shut The Fuck Up Already! I Mean God Fucking Damn! Ya Im Agnostic But God Damn! Who Gives A Shit If Homosexuality Is A Sin? If You Think It Is Let The Gays Burn In Hell! Just Shut The Fuck Up And Deal With It! If You Think That Your Probably Straight And Shouldnt Care Anyway! Stupid Fucking Biggot Rednecks!

thank you Oo; *wishes he could lock the topic...*

Why? Let me tell you why, it is not marriage, marriage is not the joining of two people. It is the joining of one man and one woman. I dont care if gays stay together, do what they want, I dont believe in discrimination, but if they want to be joined so bad why dont they get their own Union?

There's no point - it's not up to you if they can or can't so don't say anything about it. There are more important issues in the world to really care about the "deffinition" of marriage and a married couple. If everone put that much emotion into HIV and AIDS we might find a way to cure it. People should put energy into improving the world, instead of worrying about other people's sexual preferance and weather or not others try to marry.

everyone Just Shut The Fuck Up Already! I Mean God Fucking Damn! Ya Im Agnostic But God Damn! Who Gives A Shit If Homosexuality Is A Sin? If You Think It Is Let The Gays Burn In Hell! Just Shut The Fuck Up And Deal With It! If You Think That Your Probably Straight And Shouldnt Care Anyway! Stupid Fucking Biggot Rednecks!

by the way, thank you for that, I couldn't have said it much better myself

to the three people on this page who apparently suffer from the "I Can't Stop Myself From Clicking On This Thread" bug:

if you don't like the topic, don't read it, don't post on it, and go get on with your lives. when you post just to say that you want everybody to shut up, that's like a little kid throwing a tantrum because the grownups are talking about something he thinks is boring. feel free to go play somewhere else, but kindly do not waste your time (or anybody else's) with your pointless bitching. you have the power to NOT click on this thread...use it.

A think a point a lot of people are missing is why a lot of us have the position we do - It's not all "rampant homophobia" or religious fervor - some of us just hate seeing the laws being bent and the government crumbling to minority group pressure. As I've said before, if society were to pander to every request of every niche group, the entire structure of society would disintegrate into chaos. A line in the sand has to be drawn somewhere.
You're right. We should have also left Jim Crow laws in place. Them n*ggers were only a minority, they don't need equal rights, they need segregation and oppression, because the majority want it. F*ck them uppity n*ggers! :rolleyes:

Yuck, this thread is smelly and bloated. Somebody should put it out of its misery. I think it's been settled. Don't leave it to rot or someboy'll catch something...
People like you are annoying and pathetic. Just thought I'd let you know. :cool:

Oh, and how about this? Alabama school's are grossly underfunded (even worse than MS) and their budget's being even more slashed because they don't hav ethe money. But they are spending something like 3.5M to put an amendment to ban gay marriage and civil unions. I mean, how disgusting can you get?
Try living in Tennessee, we're 49th in the union for school spending. We cut arts and music programs first, then we cut out siences, but we NEVER cut sports. As a matter of fact, when there's a budget crunch, sports often to end up with MORE money. I REALLY don't like living around these inbred, religiously zealous, anti-intellectual rednecks. :headbang:

You're right. We should have also left Jim Crow laws in place. Them n*ggers were only a minority, they don't need equal rights, they need segregation and oppression, because the majority want it. F*ck them uppity n*ggers! :rolleyes:

you see thats a good point! its ok that blacks get rights but none for gays? can you say hypocrite? can you say equal rights?

to the three people on this page who apparently suffer from the "I Can't Stop Myself From Clicking On This Thread" bug:

if you don't like the topic, don't read it, don't post on it, and go get on with your lives. when you post just to say that you want everybody to shut up, that's like a little kid throwing a tantrum because the grownups are talking about something he thinks is boring. feel free to go play somewhere else, but kindly do not waste your time (or anybody else's) with your pointless bitching. you have the power to NOT click on this thread...use it.

Which brings me to ask whatever happened to Terminalia? Post after post after post yet devoid of a point. :confused:

Gay mairrage is WRONG. First off, saying someone is "gay" is the incorrect term, it is HOMOSEXUAL, or as I prefer, the more derogatory FAGGOT.

As for HOMOSEXUAL marraige, it insults the very term. Mairrage is the union between a man and a woman. NOT two men, NOT two women.

Being a HOMOSEXUAL is an insult to nature itself, as well as a sin in all the widespread religions that come to mind such as christian and muslim.

For HOMOSEXUALS to ask to have a mairrage is completely and irrevocably insulting to the rest of us people who prefer to call ourselves SEXUALLY NORMAL. Even for them to ask for a "civil union" is unthinkable in its nature, for two people to share the same rights that are entitled to SEXUALLY NORMAL people that have married.
Reasoning with you is going to be an exercise in futility. Since I'm not fond of the nonsensical ravings of biggots, I now welcome you to my ignore list.

Vyynland i feel for you my school is funny that way, they dont try hard to stop ppl from playing on the football team because of grades but the anime club needs a collective 3.6 GPA? I seriously hate my school ie communist china....

Well, I'll tell ya. You see, the curse of being a Christian is that if you are given the opportunity to bring someone to God, and you refrain because you just don't feel like it, then the damnation they suffer is on you. Which, if you think about, isn't too bad as long as you remember to ask God for forgiveness, but if you don't ever really regret not helping that person then you kinda are f@#$ed.

You consider banning other people from living their lives the way they see fit (as long as they are hurting no one--which gay marriage DOESN'T hur tanyone) the same thing as leading them to god? And doesn't the Bible say not to remove the splinter from someoen else's eye before removing the log from your own? It seems to me that Christians try too often to focus on what they see as other's shortcomings in the name of "evangelism" in an pitiful effort to avoid facing their own issues.

Try living in Tennessee, we're 49th in the union for school spending. We cut arts and music programs first, then we cut out siences, but we NEVER cut sports. As a matter of fact, when there's a budget crunch, sports often to end up with MORE money. I REALLY don't like living around these inbred, religiously zealous, anti-intellectual rednecks. :headbang:

My sympathy to you. No, really, I'm not being sarcastic.

Gay mairrage is WRONG. First off, saying someone is "gay" is the incorrect term, it is HOMOSEXUAL, or as I prefer, the more derogatory FAGGOT.

As for HOMOSEXUAL marraige, it insults the very term. Mairrage is the union between a man and a woman. NOT two men, NOT two women.

Being a HOMOSEXUAL is an insult to nature itself, as well as a sin in all the widespread religions that come to mind such as christian and muslim.

For HOMOSEXUALS to ask to have a mairrage is completely and irrevocably insulting to the rest of us people who prefer to call ourselves SEXUALLY NORMAL. Even for them to ask for a "civil union" is unthinkable in its nature, for two people to share the same rights that are entitled to SEXUALLY NORMAL people that have married.

I was gonna respond to this with a great parody using heterosexual marriage, but I would just be stooping to the troll's level and would probably get me in trouble with the mods. Too bad, cause I would've laughed my ass off.

I was gonna respond to this with a great parody using heterosexual marriage, but I would just be stooping to the troll's level and would probably get me in trouble with the mods. Too bad, cause I would've laughed my ass off.

amen (heh im not too religious)

Why on earth does the government even take part in marraiges. Marraige is an entirely personall matter and therefore I do not believe the government has the right to grant or deny liscenses to marry. Also there should not be any benefits ar penalties given to married couples. The natural results of the marital act are such that people who ought to be getting married will benifit from doing so. Anarchists of the world unite!

I was gonna respond to this with a great parody using heterosexual marriage, but I would just be stooping to the troll's level and would probably get me in trouble with the mods. Too bad, cause I would've laughed my ass off.

maybe just a little one wouldn't hurt?!

First off, saying someone is "straight" is the incorrect term, it is HETEROSEXUAL, or as I prefer, the more derogatory BREEDER.

marriage is (tradionaly) a religeouse thing right?
so surely gay marriages are technichallyrong religeously*
civil marriages i suppose are acceptible

*so many homosexuals die in the bible

marriage is (tradionaly) a religeouse thing right?
so surely gay marriages are technichallyrong religeously*
civil marriages i suppose are acceptible

*so many homosexuals die in the bible

The bible is full of all sorts of weird and hateful garbage, to be frank.

I think that gays have the right to be with who they want and the way they want to spend it. Therefore can choose to have marrige or not. There are debates in Churches and I disagree with all these debates to have gay marriges because there is no where in the bible that says that gays can't be married.

i am sorry but it does. it must do, if god destroyed sodem i dont think he intended them to marry

i am sorry but it does. it must do, if god destroyed sodem i dont think he intended them to marry

that is if he existes...but that an entirly different thing :cool:

i am sorry but it does. it must do, if god destroyed sodem i dont think he intended them to marry

Umm who... neo-cons? I suggest you re-read why Sodom was destroyed. Lastly, there is nothing particularly profound in teh bible to suggest it's theophany. It was written by poetic yet very stupid people.

i am sorry but it does. it must do, if god destroyed sodem i dont think he intended them to marry
Show biblical reference that show’s that Sodom and Gomorrah got destroyed because of homosexual behavior rather then the rape of guests

Umm who... neo-cons? I suggest you re-read why Sodom was destroyed. Lastly, there is nothing particularly profound in teh bible to suggest it's theophany. It was written by poetic yet very stupid people.

most religeouse books are

most religeouse books are
Come on lets see some quotes … my bible says nothing exclusively one way or another on the subject

Lets see some proof

i am sorry i have no bible..............
alll i have are the ravings of a padre i know

just let everyone marry who they want as long as there human and not related

i am sorry i have no bible..............
alll i have are the ravings of a padre i know
Why believe him? It is just another person adding their interpretation of the text on top of all the “interpreting” that has been done to this day on the text (unless ya can read the original … but that is still doing interpreting)

just let everyone marry who they want as long as there human and not related
Add to that old enough to concent

marriage is (tradionaly) a religeouse thing right?
so surely gay marriages are technichallyrong religeously*
civil marriages i suppose are acceptible

*so many homosexuals die in the bible


Again, what about religions that allow gay marriages? Don't assume all religions believe as you do. There are plenty of CHRISTIAN groups out there that allow gay marriage.

hmm yes the origianal would be difficult to get hold of.
that is if there was an original that is..................

i am sorry but it does. it must do, if god destroyed sodem i dont think he intended them to marry

Read your Bible again. Sodom was destroyed because it was inhospitable and uncharitable.

hmm yes the origianal would be difficult to get hold of.
that is if there was an original that is..................
Well didn’t mean physical original rather linguistically original (which also has issues with it but grav_n_idle better describes that then I can)

i am sorry i have no bible..............
alll i have are the ravings of a padre i know

Then may I suggest reading it yourself before blindly following someone who's opinions you term as "ravings."

Read your Bible again. Sodom was destroyed because it was inhospitable and uncharitable.
Yup … that and grave_n_idle went into something about anglophilia (did not quite follow that) lol

Again, what about religions that allow gay marriages? Don't assume all religions believe as you do. There are plenty of CHRISTIAN groups out there that allow gay marriage.

personally i dont care who marrys who,i am not religeouse,
i was just putting forth why the church of england (in my veiw ) is a bit hippocritical, thats all.
not being very religeouse i know little of the bible and its texts

I just fail to see why anybody cares, marry, don't marry, although I would like to have court TV in on the first few Lezbian divorces. Now THAT would be some fun drama.

Yup … that and grave_n_idle went into something about anglophilia (did not quite follow that) lol

As I call and have heard before, GnI's point was that the word used when the men asked Lot send out the angels so they could "know" them has no carnal implication in the Hebrew as "to know" has in English. Literally, the people wanted to get to know the angels. That same word is used again in the Bible multiple times, but no one ever again supposed it to mean something carnal in nature. People just read into Sodom and Gomorrah what they want to be there.

I just fail to see why anybody cares, marry, don't marry, although I would like to have court TV in on the first few Lezbian divorces. Now THAT would be some fun drama.

You want drama? You should get some drag queens involved :)

and NO i am not going to read it.
if its anything like other non-comedy books i have read its pretty poor reading, not to mension the plot must be a bit overrated.. no car chases..no terrorists. its hardly tom clancy is it!

and NO i am not going to read it.
if its anything like other non-comedy books i have read its pretty poor reading, not to mension the plot must be a bit overrated.. no car chases..no terrorists. its hardly tom clancy is it!

Then why are you making arguements based on it? Or has everyone on here totally misunderstood you?

You want drama? You should get some drag queens involved :)


LOL!!!!!! Fighting over the Leather Jacket and the AllClad Cookware LOL

Then why are you making arguements based on it? Or has everyone on here totally misunderstood you?


perhaps you have

i am basing my arguments on it because there is not much else to do and i usually like arguing with religeouse people(and anyone else for that matter)
also i am fed up with people complaining about religeon and queer people
good night all

Some of you may have seen this before, but I'd like to post it again just in case we forgot any sound arguments against gay marriage.

"Twelve Reasons Same-Sex Marriages Will Ruin Society:

1. Homosexuality is not natural, much like eyeglasses, polyester, and birth control.

2. Heterosexual marriages are valid becasue they produce children. Infertile couples and old people can't legally get married because the world needs more children.

3. Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.

4. Straight marriage will be less meaningful, since Britney Spears' 55-hour just-for-fun marriage was meaningful.

5. Heterosexual marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all; women are property, blacks can't marry whites, and divorce is illegal.

6. Gay marriage should be decided by people not the courts, because the majority-elected legislatures, not courts, have historically protected the rights of the minorities.

7. Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire counrty. That's why we have only one religion in America.

8. Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.

9. Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.

10. Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That's why single parents are forbidden to raise children.

11. Gay marriage will change the foundation of society. Heterosexual marriage has been around for a long time, and we could never adapt to new social norms because we haven't adapted to cars or longer lifespans.

12. Civil unions, providing most of the same benefits as marriage with a different name are better, because a "separate but equal" institution is always constitutional. Separate schools for African-Americans worked just as well as separate marriages for gays and lesbians will."


I know the thread has kind of died at this point... but... just sayin'.

Gay mairrage is WRONG. First off, saying someone is "gay" is the incorrect term, it is HOMOSEXUAL, or as I prefer, the more derogatory FAGGOT.

As for HOMOSEXUAL marraige, it insults the very term. Mairrage is the union between a man and a woman. NOT two men, NOT two women.

Being a HOMOSEXUAL is an insult to nature itself, as well as a sin in all the widespread religions that come to mind such as christian and muslim.

For HOMOSEXUALS to ask to have a mairrage is completely and irrevocably insulting to the rest of us people who prefer to call ourselves SEXUALLY NORMAL. Even for them to ask for a "civil union" is unthinkable in its nature, for two people to share the same rights that are entitled to SEXUALLY NORMAL people that have married.
You are a disgrace to the work of K.A. Applegate (The creator of the godlike being he takes as his namesake.)
You are also one of the stupidist fools I have ever met.

For IDIOTS (like you) to ask to have a mairrage is completely and irrevocably insulting to the rest of us people who prefer to call ourselves INTELLECTUALLY NORMAL. Even for them to ask for a "civil union" is unthinkable in its nature, for two people to share the same rights that are entitled to INTELLECTUALLY NORMAL people that have married.

I'm sorry, I know I'm stupid, but is can someone please write down the official definition of "sexually normal"?

What the hell is wrong with all u friggin homophobes. i honestly don't care if homosexuals get married or not. Bush is crackhead that go kill himself in a bush. Haha get it? anyway anyone who cares about if gays get married are complete morons. :sniper:

What the hell is wrong with all u friggin homophobes. i honestly don't care if homosexuals get married or not. Bush is crackhead that go kill himself in a bush. Haha get it? anyway anyone who cares about if gays get married are complete morons. :sniper:
i agree with u...but on a much less flaming scale :cool:

Theres one reason and one reason only that gays want to be married, and that is money. I dont care if they think its for love or any other junk, because then they could just live together and do what they do. However married couples received bigger tax breaks and insurance costs less and so forth. The reason gays shouldnt marry is because they are money-grubbing whores.

Theres one reason and one reason only that gays want to be married, and that is money. I dont care if they think its for love or any other junk, because then they could just live together and do what they do. However married couples received bigger tax breaks and insurance costs less and so forth. The reason gays shouldnt marry is because they are money-grubbing whores.
I can say the same about the heterosexuals.

you really cant, well not heterosexuality as a whole. The reason is that heterosexual marriage existed before taxes breaks.

Theres one reason and one reason only that gays want to be married, and that is money. I dont care if they think its for love or any other junk, because then they could just live together and do what they do. However married couples received bigger tax breaks and insurance costs less and so forth. The reason gays shouldnt marry is because they are money-grubbing whores.
First off, I hope you're just a troll, because no one can be this stupid.
Heterosexuals get the same tax breaks, are they money grubbing whores?
not to mention the other, important rights homosexual unions lack, such as:
the ability to visit their partner in an emergency medical proceedure
the ability to choose whether to maintain life support for their partner
the ability to witness a last will and testament
the ability to share property in a way the government has to recognize.
the ability to sign government forms as a couple
the ability to serve as a witness in a court of law regarding their partner
and a few more I can't think of at the moment.

Theres one reason and one reason only that gays want to be married, and that is money. I dont care if they think its for love or any other junk, because then they could just live together and do what they do. However married couples received bigger tax breaks and insurance costs less and so forth. The reason gays shouldnt marry is because they are money-grubbing whores.
Please refrain from insulting others in the future, as it is against forum rules. The Moderators can warn you for it if it is serious enough, and if it is continued, you can be forumbanned. Yours was a trivial insult, but I just thought a friendly reminder was in order to make sure you understand the rules.

However, I'm not a Moderator, so you can ignore me if you so choose.

Now, on to addressing your points:
Did you know that there are many more rights associated with marriage than just tax breaks? Inheritance rights, the right to raise a child together, the right to make medical decisions for a sick partner, and all sorts of other things like that. It's not all about the money, it's about so mny other things as well.

And even if it were just about the money, why is it that they should be restricted from it in that case?

you really cant, well not heterosexuality as a whole. The reason is that heterosexual marriage existed before taxes breaks.
So homosexual marriage would be okay with you if it existed before tax breaks?

homosexual marriage existed in some cultures before tax breaks.

obviously that person up there only thinks about money, therefore can only see people wanting to be together in monetary terms.

GRRRR
<this thread> :mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :sniper: :cool: diediediediediediediedie

Theres one reason and one reason only that gays want to be married, and that is money. I dont care if they think its for love or any other junk, because then they could just live together and do what they do. However married couples received bigger tax breaks and insurance costs less and so forth. The reason gays shouldnt marry is because they are money-grubbing whores.

Obviously you do not understand all the rights that go with marriage and that the vast majority of them are not tax breaks. Once you go research that, we'll talk.

you really cant, well not heterosexuality as a whole. The reason is that heterosexual marriage existed before taxes breaks.

http://www.libchrist.com/other/homosexual/gaymarriagerite.html


I guess your argument was just shot to hell.

One - It is not your business. If it upsets you too much, just go remember to keep your mouth shut - Homophobes are ~Twice as likely to be a repressed homosexual than a non-homophobe. You wouldn't want your homophobe (I keep wanting to say hobophobe.) friends to think that your gay do you?

love or any other junk

And here we see the so-called moral high ground. :rolleyes:

My whole argument agaisnt gay marriage is a simple one, Marriage is a RELIGIOUS experiance, in which homosexuality is not tolerated, How ever I am fine and endorse gay unions, that is simply a legal document. Regardless on how each party feels. Marriage = Religion, Unions = Law. Done

-Sin
Your whole argument is simply wrong. Marraige can be a religious expericane, it is also a secular experiance.

My whole argument agaisnt gay marriage is a simple one, Marriage is a RELIGIOUS experiance, in which homosexuality is not tolerated, How ever I am fine and endorse gay unions, that is simply a legal document. Regardless on how each party feels. Marriage = Religion, Unions = Law. Done
-SinAs has been pointed out to me (and damn, i hate being wrong :(), marriage and a civil union are not the same thing.
While straight people can get a religious marriage, they can also get a civil marriage - separate from any religious organisation, and with all the perks and strings of a religious marriage (barring the obvious religious ones).
Denying gay people the right to marry on the grounds that they can get a little piece of paper (or 'civil union') instead is the equivalent of legal emasculation.

Not all religions are anti-gay.

just let everyone marry who they want as long as there human and not related
No no, if you want to open the floodgates, relatives should be allowed to marry too. It's only fair.

You're right, those evil minorities just wnat to destroy society. It's not about the fact that we are ALL humans. It's about the fact that someone different than you wants to be treated as equal and that is just going to destroy your existance. How dare they!

/Sarcasm
Yeah, way to deliberately miss my point, bud. Fact is, a lot of us folks are getting sick and tired of noisy minorities badgering the government for changes. Some of us are of the mentality "if it ain't broke, don't fix it!". (This is where you all tell me it IS broke, right? Guess what, I disagree - imagine that, we don't all share the same viewpoint).

Read your Bible again. Sodom was destroyed because it was inhospitable and uncharitable.
Yep, it doesn't get much more uncharitable than man-on-man gang rape.

I think the real idea behind gay marriage is that it gives them the same options as staight couples. It's like when there were no interracial marriages...It's just descrimination.

Yeah, way to deliberately miss my point, bud. Fact is, a lot of us folks are getting sick and tired of noisy minorities badgering the government for changes. Some of us are of the mentality "if it ain't broke, don't fix it!". (This is where you all tell me it IS broke, right? Guess what, I disagree - imagine that, we don't all share the same viewpoint).

Conversely a lot of people are quite sick and tired over a noisy political majority which views itself as so arrogant and self-important as to define what is an acceptable level of freedoms for people who they know nothing about but from a selective and greatly exaggerated POV on 'morality' and/or the bevvy of mouthy loonies on the Christian right. ;)

No no, if you want to open the floodgates, relatives should be allowed to marry too. It's only fair.

Incestual marriages can be shown to do harm to potential offspring and have a high statistical correlation (though not absolute) with abuse. Gay marriages do not. There is no slippery slope.

Yeah, way to deliberately miss my point, bud. Fact is, a lot of us folks are getting sick and tired of noisy minorities badgering the government for changes. Some of us are of the mentality "if it ain't broke, don't fix it!". (This is where you all tell me it IS broke, right? Guess what, I disagree - imagine that, we don't all share the same viewpoint).

No, I've got your viewpoint. You don't think minorities deserve equality. It's plain and simple. You can try to paint it anyway you want, but that's the fact of this case.

Yep, it doesn't get much more uncharitable than man-on-man gang rape.


It wasn't rape, nor was it man on man. It never said they wanted to rape the angels. It says that they wanted to know them. The carnal implication of that word that exists in the English language do not exist in the Hebrew.

It wasn't rape, nor was it man on man. It never said they wanted to rape the angels. It says that they wanted to know them. The carnal implication of that word that exists in the English language do not exist in the Hebrew.

And even if male rape occurred, that's not exactly concordant with homosexuality being a sin.

And even if male rape occurred, that's not exactly concordant with homosexuality being a sin.
exactly could (and probably was) the act of rape that was the sin

Yep, it doesn't get much more uncharitable than man-on-man gang rape.
but, of course, it's perfectly charitable to offer your virgin daughters to a mob so they can be gang raped, right? that's the moral of the story, isn't it? Lot's the good guy, the virtuous one...and he's the fellow who offers his young daughters to a vicious mob, then later gets drunk and has sex with them

interesting "charity."

exactly could (and probably was) the act of rape that was the sin


Y'all, read my post again. I knwo we are on the same and all. But it WASN'T RAPE.

exactly could (and probably was) the act of rape that was the sin
can't be...the rape of the daughters wasn't a big deal, aparently, since Lot offered them up like it warn't no thang. nor did God mind when Lot had sex with his daughters; i guess it doesn't count as rape if you get drunk BEFORE you have sex with your kids.

Y'all, read my post again. I knwo we are on the same and all. But it WASN'T RAPE.
to be fair, it is unclear. the original term is very vague. you are right that we cannot ASSUME it means that the people wanted to rape the angels, but we also can't conclusively rule that out. we just don't know.

the part i find interesting is that the original language is also unclear as to whether the mob was composed only of men, or if it was composed of ALL the wicked townspeople (including women). if it is the latter then clearly homosexuality isn't the issue of the story, especially since "virtuous" Lot offers his daughters to the mob; if there were women in that mob, the mob that wanted to have sex with the daughters, then Lot would have been encouraging homosexuality, and yet God doesn't punish Lot.

No no, if you want to open the floodgates, relatives should be allowed to marry too. It's only fair.
This is called a Slippery Slope. People were saying this very same thing when inter-racial marriage was made legal.

It wasn't rape, nor was it man on man. It never said they wanted to rape the angels. It says that they wanted to know them. The carnal implication of that word that exists in the English language do not exist in the Hebrew.
If it wasn't rape, then why did Lot offer up his virgin daughters to the mob if they agreed to leave the men/angels alone? It doesn't make sense unless we're talking about gang rape.

This is called a Slippery Slope. People were saying this very same thing when inter-racial marriage was made legal.
Exactly, and we've all seen the negative effects that has caused....millions of degenerate half-breed criminals.

Listen to yourselfs, you are all horrible monsters. Homosexuals are people, real people not just some thing you can mess around with. They diserve every right you or I deserve.

Listen to yourselfs, you are all horrible monsters. Homosexuals are people, real people not just some thing you can mess around with. They diserve every right you or I deserve.

Listen to yourselfs, you are all horrible monsters. Homosexuals are people, real people not just some thing you can mess around with. They diserve every right you or I deserve.
No one is saying "Lets kill all the gays."
All we are doing is trying to preserve our culture, in which marriage takes place between a man and a woman.

No one is saying "Lets kill all the gays."
All we are doing is trying to preserve our culture, in which marriage takes place between a man and a woman.
Why? Why would it be so bad if people of the same sex were allowed to marry? What about "our culture" needs saving? Why is it that the marriage between a man and a woman (which is biblically lacking, how many wives did Solomon have again?) is the only marriage allowed?

:headbang: ow.....Marriage is a religious institution. If the religion says no gay marriage, then no gay marriage. If it says gay marriage is fine, then gay marriage is fine. The issue with law is that it is dealing with civil unions and marriage as being one. Marriage is not legally binding, civil unions are. Marriage liscenses are a symbol of a civil union. The government should deal with civil unions and if the people want to be married, stay out of their RELIGIOUS beliefs. There is also more than one religion out there folks, so if God says NO GAYS, Frigga might say GAYS OK! You find a priest to marry you, then you can be married. You find a judge to bind you under law, then you have a civil union. As a priest I can marry whoever I want and they will be married, but unless they are registered as having a marriage/civil union then the law does not recognize them. So government, deal with unions, religious feuds will deal with marriage.

If it wasn't rape, then why did Lot offer up his virgin daughters to the mob if they agreed to leave the men/angels alone? It doesn't make sense unless we're talking about gang rape.

To you. Since when does the Bible have to make total sense? Why do you have to be circumsized? What's the point behind that? It doesn't make sense. Why would a whole city get together and want to rape angels? That doesn't make sense either.

No one is saying "Lets kill all the gays."
All we are doing is trying to preserve our culture, in which marriage takes place between a man and a woman.

And obviously your culture is the only important one. Never mind those homosexuals who have to live in this world too and just want to be treated fairly by their government.

And how, pretail, does gay people getting married affect you in any way?

:headbang: ow.....Marriage is a religious institution. If the religion says no gay marriage, then no gay marriage. If it says gay marriage is fine, then gay marriage is fine. The issue with law is that it is dealing with civil unions and marriage as being one. Marriage is not legally binding, civil unions are. Marriage liscenses are a symbol of a civil union. The government should deal with civil unions and if the people want to be married, stay out of their RELIGIOUS beliefs. There is also more than one religion out there folks, so if God says NO GAYS, Frigga might say GAYS OK! You find a priest to marry you, then you can be married. You find a judge to bind you under law, then you have a civil union. As a priest I can marry whoever I want and they will be married, but unless they are registered as having a marriage/civil union then the law does not recognize them. So government, deal with unions, religious feuds will deal with marriage.

I agree with you totally as long as you understand that under the current system a civil marriage and a civil union are NOT the sam ething and do not provide the same rights.

It affects him in the sense that he's an authoritarian who's not tolerant of any lifestyle other than his.

It affects him in the sense that he's an authoritarian who's not tolerant of any lifestyle other than his.

Well, in that case, his lifestyle of hate and intolerance affects me so I say his marriage (or future marriage) be forbade.

Exactly, and we've all seen the negative effects that has caused....millions of degenerate half-breed criminals.

Half-breed criminals? Check your facts. If you can show a statistic that proves that people with mixed ethnicity parents are more likely to become criminals then fine but otherwise just stop being racist.

You people honestly seem to know nothing about the Bible.

1. The sin was that the mod wanted to rape angels. It had nothing to do with homosexual sex.

2. The mob was conposed of all the men, women, and children in Sodom. Again, try actually reading the Bible before commenting.

It is probable that the angles weren't the cherubim figures with wings we are all used to, but just looked like normal people. The society of Sodom and Gomorrah was so corrupt that they wanted to take advantage of the angels while they were there, not knowing they were supernatural beings.

It is probable that the angles weren't the cherubim figures with wings we are all used to, but just looked like normal people. The society of Sodom and Gomorrah was so corrupt that they wanted to take advantage of the angels while they were there, not knowing they were supernatural beings.


Regardless, the story is still about rape and not about homosexuality which is certainly not rape--and is not all about sex either.

To you. Since when does the Bible have to make total sense? Why do you have to be circumsized? What's the point behind that? It doesn't make sense. Why would a whole city get together and want to rape angels? That doesn't make sense either.
Thankyou for more reasons for me to disregard the bible as a book of fairytales. :cool:

You people honestly seem to know nothing about the Bible.

1. The sin was that the mod wanted to rape angels. It had nothing to do with homosexual sex.

2. The mob was conposed of all the men, women, and children in Sodom. Again, try actually reading the Bible before commenting.

Gen 19:4
But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

Why does an atheist have to quote the bible to a christian, let alone one who makes assertions about it without providing scripture himself? :rolleyes:

I live in Canada, and our government is thinking of allowing gay marriages:

The definition of marriage you are using is defined by christian religious terms.

However: Last time I checked, I lived in a country with a secular government, not a theocracy. So far as the government in my country should be concerned, marriage is a legal status and nothing more.

Therefore: Let gays get married, It really doesn't affect me if some gay dude marries his boy friend, it doesn't make my marriage any less significant.

Let's be clear on some definitions here.
Homosexual = A person who loves someone of the same sex as themselves, just as a heterosexual loves the opposite sex. This is typically between consenting adults. In some circumstances, if a homosexual realizes their sexuality early, as a young adult they may have relations with other young adults of the same sex, just as heterosexuals do with the opposite sex. Please note that relations is used in it's broadest term, not meaning sexual relations, but meaning similar closeness a hetero feels for their significant other.

Pedophile = A person who is attracted to people who are NOT of the age of consent, while they in fact are. Pedophiles can be men or women and can be attracted to both girls and boys. A simple look up of criminal cases concerning pedophiles will show that the vast majority of them are heterosexual, in that they are married to someone of the opposite sex. They usually have children, which is who they typically prey upon. The child, being not of the age of consent is truly a victim here. This is an act of violence against the child. Frequently also includes other forms of abuse.

Rapist = A person who pursues sex when unwanted. Sexual preference is meaningless here. Most of these are men raping women, though there are rare cases of women having raped a man. Even more rare are cases of men raping men, though rumors persist of this being fairly common in jails. This is an act of violence against the victim of the crime. Very commonly includes other forms of abuse.

Now that we have some clear definitions....

One thing I always like to point out when ever someone starts quoting Leviticus and stating that being gay is wrong because it says so in Leviticus....

Leviticus happens to be the only place in the bible that really refers to homosexual behaviour. It also mostly refers to pedophilia (which is NOT homosexuality) as well as rape (again NOT NOT homosexuality).

Let's talk about other things Leviticus mentions. (Old testament)
If a woman commits adultery, she can be stoned to death.
You can sell your sister into slavery.
Your parents can sell YOU into slavery.
Etc...

Slavery is also mentioned in many other locations, as are punishments for adultery and other "biblical" crimes like worshipping another god.

Why is it that so many christians cling to one single passage in Leviticus "Man shall not lay with man as he lays with woman", yet abhore much of the rest of it. Also ignoring the words of many other passages in the bible depicting the same things. Slavery has been abolished in all of the western world. Punishment for crimes consist of jail, never physical abuse (except the death penalty), and justice systems in all of these western countries have loooong since dropped most of the biblical crimes of adultery, sex without marriage, having children out of wedlock, not worshipping the christian god, etc. What is it about being homosexual that bothers people so much?

Now, let's talk about Jesus. (New testament)
He preached that we should FORGIVE each others sins. That we should tolerate each other. That peace is really the answer. It seems to me that people need to listen to the man they worship, not the book that was written before his lifetime...

I believe one of Jesus' quotes was "Judge not, lest ye be judged". If you wish to pass judgement on me for being lesbian, fully expect the very same God to pass judgement on you for all of your sins. Let's not forget that adultery is one of the ten commandments, and lust (the usual cause of adultery) is one of the seven deadly sins. I believe Greed is among those deadly sins too. Gluttony too... These are far more common problems in America too.

Pedophile = A person who is attracted to people who are NOT of the age of consent, while they in fact are. Pedophiles can be men or women and can be attracted to both girls and boys. A simple look up of criminal cases concerning pedophiles will show that the vast majority of them are heterosexual, in that they are married to someone of the opposite sex. They usually have children, which is who they typically prey upon. The child, being not of the age of consent is truly a victim here. This is an act of violence against the child. Frequently also includes other forms of abuse.



Actually, the clinical definition of pedophilia is attraction towards prepubescent children, not age of consent which varies by jurisdiction. Typically, the age of consent for homosexual relations is years higher.

Ehh, you are right. Insert pre-pubescent for all of my age of consents. Anyway, closer to the meaning that most might have.

:headbang: ow.....Marriage is a religious institution. If the religion says no gay marriage, then no gay marriage. If it says gay marriage is fine, then gay marriage is fine. The issue with law is that it is dealing with civil unions and marriage as being one. Marriage is not legally binding, civil unions are. Marriage liscenses are a symbol of a civil union. The government should deal with civil unions and if the people want to be married, stay out of their RELIGIOUS beliefs. There is also more than one religion out there folks, so if God says NO GAYS, Frigga might say GAYS OK! You find a priest to marry you, then you can be married. You find a judge to bind you under law, then you have a civil union. As a priest I can marry whoever I want and they will be married, but unless they are registered as having a marriage/civil union then the law does not recognize them. So government, deal with unions, religious feuds will deal with marriage.
Marraige is no more a religious institution than eating. I have no intention of letting religion decide who gets to eat or not...

Gen 19:4
But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

Why does an atheist have to quote the bible to a christian, let alone one who makes assertions about it without providing scripture himself? :rolleyes:


I'm not going to research versions, I'm going to leave that to you or you can just disbelieve me if you like. However, other versions say the people of the city.

I'm not going to research versions, I'm going to leave that to you or you can just disbelieve me if you like. However, other versions say the people of the city.Woohoo! I get to blow the layers of dust from the top of my numerous editions of the Bible ...
All the 15 versions of the Bible that I looked up say 'men' specifically -but some of the versions I've found do say "all the population of Sodom" or "all the people" (but only after mentioning men).


But as I've pointed out before, why just quote Genesis when you can quote Ezekiel 17:49?
"And look at the guilt of your sister Sodom; she and her daughters were proud, sated with food, complacent in their prosperity, and gave no help to the poor and needy."

Even the books of the Bible can't agree on Sodom's crime. How can the Churches?

But as I've pointed out before, why just quote Genesis when you can quote Ezekiel 17:49?
"And look at the guilt of your sister Sodom; she and her daughters were proud, sated with food, complacent in their prosperity, and gave no help to the poor and needy."

Even the books of the Bible can't agree on Sodom's crime. How can the Churches?

I agree with you there. And not really being a Christian, this might seem almost hypocritical (now there is a word you don't often hear applied to non-Christians) but Jesus actually referenced that verse in Ezekiel (or a similiar one in Isaiah, I always get confused there), so if I were a Christian and going to place a bet, I would put it where my Messiah did and be worried about being uncharitable when I had plenty to share.

Have you ever noticed how many Baptists take mission trips to Cancun, Tijuana, and Cazumel?

Even the books of the Bible can't agree on Sodom's crime. How can the Churches?


Easy take a vague reference and get really political. Easy thing to do when you're dealing with a formerly very silent at most 10% of the general population.

There's another reference too! Jeremiah 23:14 implies immorality, while Isaiah implies a lack of social justice. Isaiah, however, is sufficiently vague to be interpreted as whatever you want it to be...

You mean to say that after 1431 Posts, this debate hasn't been resolved. OH MY!! :eek:

Make that 1432!! ;)

my view on this is a little diffrent that most "liberals" The way I see it is that my grandparents, parents, aunt and uncle are all joined in civil unions in the view of the government. Why? Cause there is only finacial and legality reasons. How can a secular government really say who is married and who is not. That seems like it should be a religous thing to me. After that people can decide for them selves or their church can decide for themselves if they are married or not.

You mean to say that after 1431 Posts, this debate hasn't been resolved. OH MY!! :eek:I'll take a punt and wager my life savings that this issue won't be resolved in 1431 years.

Sooner or later the noisy minority groups will "PC strongarm" their own set of values and beliefs through the courts and onto the rest of society. I just wish the powers that be would wake up now and stop pandering to minority interest groups.

Sooner or later the noisy minority groups will "PC strongarm" their own set of values and beliefs through the courts and onto the rest of society. I just wish the powers that be would wake up now and stop pandering to minority interest groups.
Well, it would help if you would first show who's doing this "PC strongarm"ing, and then show how it is "pandering to minority groups" to give them equal rights. Those both seem integral points to your argument, yet you haven't yet shown us what exactly they are.

Well, it would help if you would first show who's doing this "PC strongarm"ing, and then show how it is "pandering to minority groups" to give them equal rights. Those both seem integral points to your argument, yet you haven't yet shown us what exactly they are.

All these people do is spill catchphrases they've heard from someone they worship/respect...

"PC thug"
"feminazi"
"all liberals are..." While using the word liberal incorrectly.

Don't lose any sleep expecting argument...

Sooner or later the noisy minority groups will "PC strongarm" their own set of values and beliefs through the courts and onto the rest of society. I just wish the powers that be would wake up now and stop pandering to minority interest groups.
And how is it "pandering " to be treated the same as everyone else? sounds to me like the only pandering going on is to thoes who think they are more equil then others

I'll take a punt and wager my life savings that this issue won't be resolved in 1431 years.
i'll take that bet. it's going to be settled within our lifetimes, much in the way the Civil Rights era settled debates about rights for minority ethnicities. there will still be leftover homophobes, much as there are leftover racists, but those will be the people who are going to cling to their irrational fear and hate no matter what...the debate will be settled in every meaningful way.

Sooner or later the noisy minority groups will "PC strongarm" their own set of values and beliefs through the courts and onto the rest of society. I just wish the powers that be would wake up now and stop pandering to minority interest groups.

You must mean the fundie homophobes, since the majority of Americans are in favor of same-sex unions. About 63% as a matter of fact. Some are just squeamish about calling them marraiges.

You must mean the fundie homophobes, since the majority of Americans are in favor of same-sex unions. About 63% as a matter of fact. Some are just squeamish about calling them marraiges.
you know what's going to be really cute?

right now, all the homophobes are going on about the minority is demanding special treatment, and how the majority opinion should dominate. but, if current trends continue, the majority of Americans will support gay marriages (calling them marriages) by the year 2010. i'm willing to bet a brand new nickel that all the homophobes will suddenly forget about their "majority rules" idea right around then...

I'm looking forward to it. Conservatives also tend to complain that the decisions should be left to the states, all that states rights crap. But when California legalized medical marijuana, the feds came down on people who were obeying state law. Why weren't they screaming about states rights then?

I'm looking forward to it. Conservatives also tend to complain that the decisions should be left to the states, all that states rights crap. But when California legalized medical marijuana, the feds came down on people who were obeying state law. Why weren't they screaming about states rights then?
hell, just look at Dick Cheney! he specifically and loudly supported states' rights on gay marriage, but when states started voting in ways he didn't like there was a sudden change in his tune...now he's backing policies to force federal laws onto states to prevent them from choosing to allow gay marriage.

I find that typical of Cheney and Co. People have the right to make their own choices as long as I like them.

Needs less gay marriage and more jihad.

Needs less jihad and more ninjas.

you know what's going to be really cute?

right now, all the homophobes are going on about the minority is demanding special treatment, and how the majority opinion should dominate. but, if current trends continue, the majority of Americans will support gay marriages (calling them marriages) by the year 2010. i'm willing to bet a brand new nickel that all the homophobes will suddenly forget about their "majority rules" idea right around then...
Along with when Islam overtakes Christianity (again current trends) all the sudden they will be the repressed minority again (or complain of it) and will see if they want “pandering”
Because obviously being the majority makes them right and everyone else wrong … so the same should hold true when they are no longer the majority but someone else is

Majority rules! ;)

GAY POWER!

Along with when Islam overtakes Christianity (again current trends) all the sudden they will be the repressed minority again (or complain of it) and will see if they want “pandering”
Because obviously being the majority makes them right and everyone else wrong … so the same should hold true when they are no longer the majority but someone else is
what cracks me up is that the Christians are ALREADY acting like they are sooooooo oppressed. they control all three branches of the government, have Christian holidays recognized as federal holidays, and have every major corporation and business spending millions of dollars promoting their celebrations. they wrote their God into the freaking PLEDGE, for Pete's sake! they own the country, and yet they're still bitching...man, they are really going to be a pain in the ass when they fall from power. we'll never get them to shut up.

Hell, we can't get 'em to shut up now.

what cracks me up is that the Christians are ALREADY acting like they are sooooooo oppressed. they control all three branches of the government, have Christian holidays recognized as federal holidays, and have every major corporation and business spending millions of dollars promoting their celebrations. they wrote their God into the freaking PLEDGE, for Pete's sake! they own the country, and yet they're still bitching...man, they are really going to be a pain in the ass when they fall from power. we'll never get them to shut up.
Yes they are … though I attribute a lot of it to their religions built in martyr complex

I could care less if homosexuals get married. let em for all i care. it dosen't really matter.

yea! how does it harm any1 else if gays marry? it's not like it physically, or infact mentally, hurts or involves anyone else. i don't see why people are so bothered about it.

Hell, we can't get 'em to shut up now.
sure we can. we just have to let them broadcast their church services 24/7 on every single TV channel, let them pass every law their little hearts desire, and let them spend every waking minute telling the rest of us why we are burning in hell.

yea! how does it harm any1 else if gays marry? it's not like it physically, or infact mentally, hurts or involves anyone else. i don't see why people are so bothered about it.

Yeah! Mind your own business, straight people!

Needs less jihad and more ninjas.
Maybe we need a gay ninja jihad for marriage?

sure we can. we just have to let them broadcast their church services 24/7 on every single TV channel, let them pass every law their little hearts desire, and let them spend every waking minute telling the rest of us why we are burning in hell.
I hate that … telling me I am burning in hell

When I ask why the bother to tell me all I get is “because we are supposed to try to save people otherwise we are not showing our love for our god like our religion says”

So basically they are doing it for themselves

But how does going up to someone and saying “you are going to burn in hell” count as an attempt at saving (conversion being means to salvation)

But of course when ever I bring this up to any other Christian they just say “that person was not a true Christian” which they do to every person they don’t agree with

I think there should be Gay marriage for NON-religous people ONLY

I think there should be Gay marriage for NON-religous people ONLY
Why ... what if your religion says gay marrige is fine?

Yeah! Mind your own business, straight people!

LOL! Now that would be the day.

Yeah! Mind your own business, straight people!
does it strike anybody else as odd that so many straight people spend so much time thinking about gay people and the gay sex they might be having?

does it strike anybody else as odd that so many straight people spend so much time thinking about gay people and the gay sex they might be having?

Closeted tendencies.

If only they would admit it... ;) :rolleyes:

Closeted tendencies.

If only they would admit it... ;) :rolleyes:
Curious folks, they are.

does it strike anybody else as odd that so many straight people spend so much time thinking about gay people and the gay sex they might be having?

Heck, sex is all they seem to think about. You should see my colleagues.
Spend most of their time drawing crude penisses in newspapers.

Why ... what if your religion says gay marrige is fine?

I would love for someone against gay marriage to actually respond to this for once! There still hasn't been one. I wonder why . . . . .


Anyways, off to learn how to save lives. What a horrible homo I am! I should be out trying to destroy society as we know.

I would love for someone against gay marriage to actually respond to this for once! There still hasn't been one. I wonder why . . . . .


Anyways, off to learn how to save lives. What a horrible homo I am! I should be out trying to destroy society as we know.
Yeah, you aren't doing your job right if you aren't tearing apart families and trying to seduce little boys!
:D

I would love for someone against gay marriage to actually respond to this for once! There still hasn't been one. I wonder why . . . . .


Anyways, off to learn how to save lives. What a horrible homo I am! I should be out trying to destroy society as we know.
I know thats why I keep asking it lol

Anyways, off to learn how to save lives. What a horrible homo I am! I should be out trying to destroy society as we know.
wait, you mean you spend your time doing something other than making babies or praying?!

you disgusting freak. how dare you.

To have a bit of a UK perspective, I hate tax more than I could ever hate anyone, gay or otherwise. So good on them for trying to screw the system. Also for all you redneck christian hicks out there its TESTAMENT, not what ever the hell you called it, read it and youll discover Christ kissed a lot of men in his day.

I am constantly amazed how often "religious" is mistaken for "christian" in these threads. I am religious, as is my wife. However, neither of us are christian, and our religion does permit gay marriage - otherwise, we wouldn't be married. Please do not forget that there are thousands of religions on this planet and that each one is very distinctly different, includes many sub-sects, and have many and varied moral codes.

My moral code:
"So long as it harms no one, do what you will"

Gay marriage isn't harmful to myself, or my wife, and it sure as heck has no affect on anyone else except those that are part of our lives. If you are offended by it, please be reminded that I am offended by the consumming of meat (being Vegan), yet most of my friends and all of my family are not vegetarian in any capacity. If I can ignore that, you can ignore being offended by my wife and I holding hands or kissing in public.

I would also like to remind any Christians out there that by harassing us, and preventing us from doing what we feel is right, you are breaking your own rules of "Judge not, lest ye be judged" - which is commonly interpreted to mean that if you judge other people, God will judge you for all of -your- sins. You are telling us that your religion has judged our marriage to be Sin, and thus we are going to Hell. Last I checked, that was for your God to decide, not you.

I believe the next time someone decides to tell me that I am going to hell, I will happily remind them, that thanks to their judgement on me...so, probably, are they.

Maybe we need a gay ninja jihad for marriage?

I had to do it. I had to xDD

Hehe, I love this new account. I'm going to start RPing with it as soon as I can be bothered. Imagine- a whole nation of gay ninjas. It couldn't be any cooler unless you added zombies and Japanese schoolgirl outfits to it... and that wouldn't fit in the title field.

Mmmm.... gay ninjas.

http://img20.exs.cx/img20/3962/emotjewboom3qm.gif

I had to do it. I had to xDD

Hehe, I love this new account. I'm going to start RPing with it as soon as I can be bothered. Imagine- a whole nation of gay ninjas. It couldn't be any cooler unless you added zombies and Japanese schoolgirl outfits to it... and that wouldn't fit in the title field.

Mmmm.... gay ninjas.
Wait, who are you? Bottle? Trilateral Commission?

Wait, who are you? Bottle? Trilateral Commission?

Nope, I'm Sthyxia. New here and already hooked. I'm quite flattered that you thought I was Trilateral Commission, though :D. And speaking of which... ROFL.

http://images.evalu8.org/images/pals-KKK-style-jihad.jpg

Nope, I'm Sthyxia. New here and already hooked. I'm quite flattered that you thought I was Trilateral Commission, though :D.
wtf? do i have some sort of reputation here or something?

I dunno, I'd just seen you around before and thought you (and your name) were quite funny. Ergo, I was flattered. :)

why thank you. :fluffle:

You are very welcome, my amusingly named friend.

wtf? do i have some sort of reputation here or something?
Apparently, cuase I'm here all the time and noone knows me.

:fluffle: Just felt like snoggin absolutely nothing... lol

I would love for someone against gay marriage to actually respond to this for once! There still hasn't been one. I wonder why . . . . .


Anyways, off to learn how to save lives. What a horrible homo I am! I should be out trying to destroy society as we know.

You mean you've met your quota for "conversions" this month?

I find it ironic that many religious groups accuse homosexuals of recruiting people into their "deviant lifestyle" because that's precisely what most christian groups attempt to do.

does it strike anybody else as odd that so many straight people spend so much time thinking about gay people and the gay sex they might be having?
It's really an "us vs. them" mentality with some of you. You strive to seperate yourselves from the mainstream and then bitch about the fact you get treated differently.

It's really an "us vs. them" mentality with some of you. You strive to seperate yourselves from the mainstream and then bitch about the fact you get treated differently.
"You"?
I thought Bottle was straight?

It's really an "us vs. them" mentality with some of you. You strive to seperate yourselves from the mainstream and then bitch about the fact you get treated differently.

Ummm a lot of people don't want homosexuals 'in da mainstream' and if so it usually means in the closet and silent.

You strive to seperate yourselves from the mainstream...

When the fuck did we do that?

When the fuck did we do that?
I was trying to figure that one out myself. :confused:

It's really an "us vs. them" mentality with some of you. You strive to seperate yourselves from the mainstream and then bitch about the fact you get treated differently.

I don't strive to be anythign different than simply what I am. Odds are if we met, you would have no clue that I'm gay. And you know, what if you got treatly differently for nothing other than being yourself, you'd bitch too!

Of course, I don't consider it to be "bitching" when all you are doin gis asking to be treated fairly and equally under the law.

"You"?
I thought Bottle was straight?
She is

Originally Posted by Nycadaemon
You strive to seperate yourselves from the mainstream...
You're either implying that
a) homosexuality is a "lifestyle choice"
or b) that all gay people run around waving rainbow flags and lisping...

Either way you're wrong AND what's more, why the hell should someone not be guaranteed the same rights as everyone else just because they're a bit 'different' or statistically a minority?

b) that all gay people run around waving rainbow flags and lisping...
*cough* Mardi Gras *cough*

*cough* Mardi Gras *cough*


Yeah, that's one very specific group of gays. I wasn't there. Further, a LOT of straight people act crazy and non-mainstream on Mardi Gras. Let's deny them equality.

When any two people (or more, for that matter) feel for each other what my wife and I feel for each other, :fluffle:
I don't care what they have between their legs, they ought to be married!

*cough* Mardi Gras *cough*
Urgh!
How can you use an event that occurs once a year, attended by some gay people to generalise about an entire population? Besides, the Mardi Gras began as a protest, so I think there's an element of irony in that too.
You know, "You're afraid of us because you think we're poncing around in leather an glitter? Ok, well we'll show you!"
Besides, it's an excuse to party. Let me assure that most gay people don't dress like that every day. ;) (Athough I wouldn't mind if the Melbourne Marching Boys wore those little hotpants all the time. Grrrr!)

And FFS, have you ever been to the Mardi Gras? I suggest you head along. It's fun, even for us straights.

Yeah, that's one very specific group of gays. I wasn't there. Further, a LOT of straight people act crazy and non-mainstream on Mardi Gras. Let's deny them equality.
You just don't get the point - it's not about equlaity, it's about noisy minority groups demanding that society bend to their needs.

And FFS, have you ever been to the Mardi Gras? I suggest you head along. It's fun, even for us straights.
Uhhh, yeah, I think I'll pass, thanks.

You just don't get the point - it's not about equlaity, it's about noisy minority groups demanding that society bend to their needs.
How would you feel if strait marrige was banned?
Hell you are razing it to high heaven to keep it UN equal (just as noisy as thoes "minorities")

How would you feel if strait marrige was banned?
It's moot point - it's not. It's the societal norm. If people really want gay marriage, why not move to a country that already has it?

You just don't get the point - it's not about equlaity, it's about noisy minority groups demanding that society bend to their needs.

No, you are the one not getting it. It's not about us wanting special rights. It's about us wanting to be treated equally. Do you think we are right now? And do you think that in the US, everyone has a right to equality under the law?

Uhhh, yeah, I think I'll pass, thanks.
Why, does it make you uncomfortable? ;) :D

It's moot point - it's not. It's the societal norm. If people really want gay marriage, why not move to a country that already has it?
Ooh, societal norms. I probably sound like a broken record because this has been said so many time, but once SLAVERY was a societal norm. Subjugation of women was a societal norm, disapproval of interracial marriages was the norm. (The latter two are still around to some extent, but greatly reduced)
Norms change, and people need to fight for changes to make things more equitable. That's why Pracus shouldn' move. He should be able to get married here, and people should be able to fight until justice is done.