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Okay, I think I've finally realized why my previous relationships haven't worked out as well as hoped (talking years ago, been single for a few).
Reason? I was a young asshole who didn't try to put myself in their uncomfortable, ill-fitting but fashionable shoes.
Here's the rules I wish my imaginary dad would've shared with his son:

1. They're usually right. Beyond that ubiquitous veil of illogical emotional sincerity, truth can actually be found.

2. Even when dating a feminist, hold open the fucking door and tell her she looks great tonight. Do not be afraid to assert the fact that you have testicles, either.

3. Don't fight. Women aren't looking at the conversation like a Trekkie (Or Data, if you prefer). No matter how small, any implication of intellectual or emotional superiority will only assure your place on the couch.

4. Don't get arrogant with them. Keep your pride to yourself and let them toot your horn, when necessary. This rule can be discarded during the dating phase because most don't fuck wallflowers.

5. Don't ever be seen taking up more mirror-time than they do.

6. Don't hold women to the same "all-walls-up" mentality that you do with your friends. She wants to be let in, and can probably help you clean up a little.

7. Tell her she's beautiful, fiercly independant and smart everyday. Chances are, she is.

8. Don't hold her up to rediculous standards based on your own insecurities and high hopes. Chances are, you're not everything she imagined when she was 12 either.

Any extra rules would be so appreciated from my fellow members who have something to share.
Just, please, don't post questions here. Chances are, we dudes don't have the answers.

my experience dating women has led me to one fundamental concept:

there is no set of rules that will apply to all women, and no magic recipe for successful dating. any attempt to develop a set of such rules, or a standard approach to apply to all women, is utterly worthless and doomed to fail. as soon as you construct a set of guidelines for "Women" you will inevitably meet the one female on Earth who defies every last one of your carefully assembled revelations.

Okay, I think I've finally realized why my previous relationships haven't worked out as well as hoped (talking years ago, been single for a few).
Reason? I was a young asshole who didn't try to put myself in their uncomfortable, ill-fitting but fashionable shoes.
Here's the rules I wish my imaginary dad would've shared with his son:

[ List deleted for brevity ]

Any extra rules would be so appreciated from my fellow members who have something to share.
Just, please, don't post questions here. Chances are, we dudes don't have the answers.

Don't discount the possibility that she can teach you more than you ever would have believed about female sexuality. :)

my experience dating women has led me to one fundamental concept:

there is no set of rules that will apply to all women, and no magic recipe for successful dating. any attempt to develop a set of such rules, or a standard approach to apply to all women, is utterly worthless and doomed to fail. as soon as you construct a set of guidelines for "Women" you will inevitably meet the one female on Earth who defies every last one of your carefully assembled revelations.

Amen! :)

see above
True, but I'm not looking to "tag and bag" the female gender. I'm looking for good advice concerning male behavior during the courtship/relationship phase.

Don't discount the possibility that she can teach you more than you ever would have believed about female sexuality. :)
Ahhhhh, I miss that.

True, but I'm not looking to "tag and bag" the female gender. I'm looking for good advice concerning male behavior during the courtship/relationship phase.

Good advice huh. I got some. Don't get into a relationship.

I got some. Don't get into a relationship.
This is the kind of advice that has had me rubbin' little man raw these days.

Okay, I think I've finally realized why my previous relationships haven't worked out as well as hoped (talking years ago, been single for a few).
Reason? I was a young asshole who didn't try to put myself in their uncomfortable, ill-fitting but fashionable shoes.
Here's the rules I wish my imaginary dad would've shared with his son:

1. They're usually right. Beyond that ubiquitous veil of illogical emotional sincerity, truth can actually be found.

No they aren;t any more than you are. Hopwever their opinions must be considered with respect, and sometimes you need to pick your battles. Mind you, if you are convinced that you are always right then you are an arrogant SOB that she will rapidly tire of.


2. Even when dating a feminist, hold open the fucking door and tell her she looks great tonight. Do not be afraid to assert the fact that you have testicles, either.

In other words, be yourself and show her consideration and respect. Frankly, those should be how you treat everyone.

3. Don't fight. Women aren't looking at the conversation like a Trekkie (Or Data, if you prefer). No matter how small, any implication of intellectual or emotional superiority will only assure your place on the couch.


Bull. You WILL fight. It's a given - unless you want to be doormat. And doormats get shown the door. However if you are only concerned with winning and don't know how to make up afterwards or apoligize if you got heated, then you will be single shortly.


4. Don't get arrogant with them. Keep your pride to yourself and let them toot your horn, when necessary. This rule can be discarded during the dating phase because most don't fuck wallflowers.


Back to that consideration and respect thing. You can blow your horn once in a while. Just do it softly, or better yet get someone else to do it for you.

5. Don't ever be seen taking up more mirror-time than they do.


Mirrors? I'm not even sure if my car has any of those....

6. Don't hold women to the same "all-walls-up" mentality that you do with your friends. She wants to be let in, and can probably help you clean up a little.


Well, if you want someone to be closer than a friend you need to let them get closer. It's a given.

7. Tell her she's beautiful, smart and fiercly independant and smart everyday. Chances are, she is.


Well, if you picked well she sure should be! :)

8. Don't hold her up to rediculous standards based on your own insecurities and high hopes. Chances are, you're not everything she imagined when she was 12 either.


In other words, treat her as a human being. Because that IS what you want to have a relationship with..


Any extra rules would be so appreciated from my fellow members who have something to share.
Just, please, don't post questions here. Chances are, we dudes don't have the answers.

Be yourself, and treat her as well or better than you would want to be treated yourself. Everything else will take care of itself if you can remember to do that and if it was meant to be.

Well, I'm not an old dude, but I'm a woman so I think I might have a little insight for you doll.

Romance. Romance is almost a thing of the past it seems. Women love those special little things a man does just for the simple fact that he wants her to know how special she is to him. Doesnt have to be some huge production, in fact, the little things go a long way. Taking her out for a picnic on her lunch break. Or a picnic in general on a Saturday afternoon. Leave little notes that say something sweet or something special thats just between the two of you, all over the place(like in the fridge, in her purse, in her car under the visor so she will see a surprise note when she flips it down) Write her a letter and mail it to her...even if you live down the street. Burn a CD with special songs that remind you of her....make a special cover that is personalized with things that are special between the two of you. If youre to the point where youre staying overnight....write something sweet or sexy on the fogged up mirror after you get out of the shower, so that next time she takes a shower and fogs up the bathroom-she will see it. I could go on and on with stuff being the romance addict I am, but never forget.....be confident, sincere, always be a gentleman and never be too proud to show someone how much you really care for them. :)

Be yourself. If you have to put effort into making her happy, then it's going to catch up with you. If that doesn't work, then you probably have more general social issues that you need to address.

Never be the first to say "I love you".

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You Sir, must be a pussy magnet (especially if you're married).
Good real-world advice absorbed. Thank you.

1. They're usually right. Beyond that ubiquitous veil of illogical emotional sincerity, truth can actually be found.

Agreed ... 100%. My wife is never, ever wrong and I defy anyone to prove otherwise.

2. Even when dating a feminist, hold open the fucking door and tell her she looks great tonight. Do not be afraid to assert the fact that you have testicles, either.

Okie ... but please don't show them off in the middle of dinner.

3. Don't fight. Women aren't looking at the conversation like a Trekkie (Or Data, if you prefer). No matter how small, any implication of intellectual or emotional superiority will only assure your place on the couch.

I never do. I am what my friends call "whipped". I have no problem with this station in life. I am a US Army Ranger and have seen combat that would make most men slash their wrists and drink bleach ... but I have also seen my wife endure three pregnancies with grace and dignity - which is something I could never, ever do. She would kick my ass. I do not fight her.

4. Don't get arrogant with them. Keep your pride to yourself and let them toot your horn, when necessary. This rule can be discarded during the dating phase because most don't fuck wallflowers.

I don't even know what a "wallflower" is ... sorry.

5. Don't ever be seen taking up more mirror-time than they do.

Keeping well-groomed is the sign of an attentive boyfriend/husband. You should strive to look as good to her as she does to you.

6. Don't hold women to the same "all-walls-up" mentality that you do with your friends. She wants to be let in, and can probably help you clean up a little.

Sure ... but you can't joke around with a hooker on the street corner with your girl like you can with your buddies.

7. Tell her she's beautiful, fiercly independant and smart everyday. Chances are, she is.

Not if she comes to rely on you telling her that she isn't.

8. Don't hold her up to rediculous standards based on your own insecurities and high hopes. Chances are, you're not everything she imagined when she was 12 either.

This I agree with.

You Sir, must be a pussy magnet (especially if you're married).
Good real-world advice absorbed. Thank you.
Zeppistan is married to Stephistan, last I checked.

Well, I'm not an old dude, but I'm a woman so I think I might have a little insight for you doll.

Romance. Romance is almost a thing of the past it seems. Women love those special little things a man does just for the simple fact that he wants her to know how special she is to him. Doesnt have to be some huge production, in fact, the little things go a long way. Taking her out for a picnic on her lunch break. Or a picnic in general on a Saturday afternoon. Leave little notes that say something sweet or something special thats just between the two of you, all over the place(like in the fridge, in her purse, in her car under the visor so she will see a surprise note when she flips it down) Write her a letter and mail it to her...even if you live down the street. Burn a CD with special songs that remind you of her....make a special cover that is personalized with things that are special between the two of you. If youre to the point where youre staying overnight....write something sweet or sexy on the fogged up mirror after you get out of the shower, so that next time she takes a shower and fogs up the bathroom-she will see it. I could go on and on with stuff being the romance addict I am, but never forget.....be confident, sincere, always be a gentleman and never be too proud to show someone how much you really care for them. :)
Thanks. Advice from "the other side".
I will take this to heart. I really didn't know that some stuff (Leave little notes that say something sweet or something special thats just between the two of you, all over the place(like in the fridge, in her purse, in her car under the visor so she will see a surprise note when she flips it down) Write her a letter and mail it to her...even if you live down the street. Burn a CD with special songs that remind you of her....make a special cover that is personalized with things that are special between the two of you. If youre to the point where youre staying overnight....write something sweet or sexy on the fogged up mirror after you get out of the shower, so that next time she takes a shower and fogs up the bathroom-she will see it.) would be appreciated by women around my age (28).
*jots lotsa notes*

Thanks. Advice from "the other side".
I will take this to heart. I really didn't know that some stuff (Leave little notes that say something sweet or something special thats just between the two of you, all over the place(like in the fridge, in her purse, in her car under the visor so she will see a surprise note when she flips it down) Write her a letter and mail it to her...even if you live down the street. Burn a CD with special songs that remind you of her....make a special cover that is personalized with things that are special between the two of you. If youre to the point where youre staying overnight....write something sweet or sexy on the fogged up mirror after you get out of the shower, so that next time she takes a shower and fogs up the bathroom-she will see it.) would be appreciated by women around my age (28).
*jots lotsa notes*

Well I'm 30 and it makes me swoon everytime. And has since I was like 20. Maybe youre not meeting the right kind of girls who appreciate stuff like that.....ohhhh yeah....youre in FL. Sorry darlin' :(

I agree with all of what you've said to an extent, I mean - this isn't rocket science... these are the basic fundamentals that most people were taught about dealing with people in general (not just women to whom we are attracted).
Well, if you want someone to be closer than a friend you need to let them get closer. It's a given.
This, however, does pose some difficulty - I would say it is above all, the hardest to accomplish. Sometimes even when you want to let someone get closer it isn't as easy as just letting them - and the process of doing so, can alienate and confuse them to a point where they are made uncomfortable around you. This is a big bridge to cross in any relationship (friendly or romantic). The fear that you will be rejected after opening up that can of worms is a nagging one indeed. I have tried very unsuccessfully to allow this to happen, in various forms of relationships.

Until a short time ago I had entirely given up on it since it seemed too hard to accomplish. Yet, I've tried again - to be proven once more unsuccessful. But I'll keep on trying until it works - it's just that important.

My point? It’s not going to be easy - relationships take a lot of hard work, and that’s the bottom line. There are no easy answers; there is no definitive right and wrong. But treat her well, make sure she knows that she’s an angel, and let her know you care.

Always treat women with respect. NO matter how different women may be, we all want to be respected. Also, remember the little things such as picking up a flower just to show you care. We aren't that difficult to figure out.

Lasc, Eichen....I cant even imagine you guys having a moments trouble getting alllllllll then women! And I dont mean because youre both handsome as can be. From what I've seen about you two, you seem intelligent, ambitous,passionate, kind, witty, and funny. I'm gonna blame it on the women you've had to chose from. That has to be the only explanation.

I hope you both find that special someone who makes you breathless each time she enters the room.

I agree with all of what you've said to an extent, I mean - this isn't rocket science... these are the basic fundamentals that most people were taught about dealing with people in general (not just women to whom we are attracted).
Damn. I've had a reaffirmation of what I already knew:
I understand nothing of women and may fall into the "emotional idiot" portion of the statistics.
I really haven't "understood" everything I've mentioned in the first post... just thought I "knew" it all.
Like I said, I was an asshole, admittedly.

Lasc, Eichen....I cant even imagine you guys having a moments trouble getting alllllllll then women! And I dont mean because youre both handsome as can be. From what I've seen about you two, you seem intelligent, ambitous,passionate, kind, witty, and funny. I'm gonna blame it on the women you've had to chose from. That has to be the only explanation.

I hope you both find that special someone who makes you breathless each time she enters the room.
I agree, absolutely!

.........

Actually, Peechland, I agree on everything you've said on this thread... speaking as a 23-year-old woman, the romance stuff is really important. (And I think it's best when it comes as a surprise... for example, nothing's better than coming home from work after a really long day and finding a vase of flowers on the table - and it doesn't have to be expensive or big, a single stem is wonderful!)

Lasc, Eichen....I cant even imagine you guys having a moments trouble getting alllllllll then women! And I dont mean because youre both handsome as can be. From what I've seen about you two, you seem intelligent, ambitous,passionate, kind, witty, and funny. I'm gonna blame it on the women you've had to chose from. That has to be the only explanation.

I hope you both find that special someone who makes you breathless each time she enters the room.
*abashedly*
A 'Peech', you truly are! So sweet!

If there are women out there half as charming as you I could only hope to do so well. ;)

Now I would hesitate to say that I have picked bad women, but I've picked women that were wrong for me at the stages I've picked them. We all go through periods of change in our lives, another important thing to make note of here is that this be paid due care and attention.

I would say that I've either lost or pushed away most of the better women I've had relationships with. I'm not going to get into specifics - but another important detail in that honesty clause is that its a revolving door. If you hesitate to express whats going on you will find yourself quickly incapable of commitment - and with someone who does not think you trust them, or that they can trust you.

I take responsibility from the failed relationships I've been in because I think that if I can identify my role in the failure, I stand to grow from it. We need to learn from our mistakes. I'm man enough to admit when I've made them, I should be man enough to become a better person from them too.

Relationships, like I said, are hard work. We can all expect to make at least a few mistakes on the way... this isn't a problem unless we let it become one.

And thank you, that was one of the nicest things I've ever had the pleasure of hearing.

I agree, absolutely!

.........

Actually, Peechland, I agree on everything you've said on this thread... speaking as a 23-year-old woman, the romance stuff is really important. (And I think it's best when it comes as a surprise... for example, nothing's better than coming home from work after a really long day and finding a vase of flowers on the table - and it doesn't have to be expensive or big, a single stem is wonderful!)


see?? told you guys^^^ (you can bow to the wisdom of the peech now ;) )

thanks Pros! Its a rare thing to find nowadays isnt it ?

1. Pick someone who likes the same things you do and the same foods you do rather than someone who looks good but hates the activities and the grinds you prefer. It will also be easier to talk to her if you have common interests.

2. Learn to listen. Also, unless she asks for advice, most women (unlike men) are looking for sympathy when they complain, rather than solutions.

3. After you've figured out whether she's trustworthy, learn to talk about yourself, your problems, you opinions about other people, your dreams. Women like that kind of stuff because it makes them feel "closer" to you and that's the kind of stuff they discuss among themselves.

4. It's OK to fight as long as you're willing to compromise. No man wants to be a doormat and no real woman wants one. Keep arguments non-personal and yell only about the situation at hand. No raking up the past. Try to get around to something that both of you may dislike but can live with.

5. Think of her as a friend until you've figured out whether or not you like her and that she's worthy of your trust and respect. Then break out the bucks and do the romance. It isn't worth it spending money on a relationship that's going nowhere unless you're a millionaire. If you're creative you can go out on a lot of cheap or free dates at first, until you figure out whether she's a keeper or not. Anyway, if she dumps you because she thinks you're cheap, count your lucky stars that you got rid of gold digger before she took you to the cleaners.

6. Once you've figured out she's a keeper, make sure she knows how special she is to you. Flowers and cards can do wonders for your relationship. And don't be shy about telling her how much she means to you. Hugs and hand holding are also appreciated.

*abashedly*
A 'Peech', you truly are! So sweet!

If there are women out there half as charming as you I could only hope to do so well. ;)

Now I would hesitate to say that I have picked bad women, but I've picked women that were wrong for me at the stages I've picked them. We all go through periods of change in our lives, another important thing to make note of here is that this be paid due care and attention.

I would say that I've either lost or pushed away most of the better women I've had relationships with. I'm not going to get into specifics - but another important detail in that honesty clause is that its a revolving door. If you hesitate to express whats going on you will find yourself quickly incapable of commitment - and with someone who does not think you trust them, or that they can trust you.

I take responsibility from the failed relationships I've been in because I think that if I can identify my role in the failure, I stand to grow from it. We need to learn from our mistakes. I'm man enough to admit when I've made them, I should be man enough to become a better person from them too.

Relationships, like I said, are hard work. We can all expect to make at least a few mistakes on the way... this isn't a problem unless we let it become one.

And thank you, that was one of the nicest things I've ever had the pleasure of hearing.

Youre most welcome doll.....and the good thing about all the mistakes you speak of is, now you are the wiser for it and can make them work to your advantage. I've learned in life that the mistakes I've made are just as important and the successes I've had. I learn what to do or what not to do and then try my best again. Eventually...I get it right! (well except tetris....I so suck at that)

see?? told you guys^^^ (you can bow to the wisdom of the peech now ;) )

thanks Pros! Its a rare thing to find nowadays isnt it ?
It is... but I've started to find that it's more from ignorance than anything else!

In other words, if you're able to tell a guy about this stuff (and not give the kind of subtle hints that guys never get and women never understand why they're not getting them), then he'll actually listen.

Amazing where direct communication can get you! It took me ages to discover it!!

(Of course sometimes you do find guys who know this stuff beforehand... and that's always a pleasant surprise! Probably means that they had a girlfriend who taught them earlier, though. ;) )

Damn. I've had a reaffirmation of what I already knew:
I understand nothing of women and may fall into the "emotional idiot" portion of the statistics.
I really haven't "understood" everything I've mentioned in the first post... just thought I "knew" it all.
Like I said, I was an asshole, admittedly.
Maybe I'm just confused, but that sounds a little sarcastic - I didn't post that in a insulting way. I was only trying to state that we could easily apply what people had written to circumstances well beyond romantic relationships. I'm not questioning your emotional intelligence, I'm trying to broaden the application it has been fixated on.

I say this in all confidence; all people are at times 'emotional idiots', as you put it. I myself, am beyond reproach for my emotional incapabilities.

I would like to think that we are all learning, every day and every hour within that day. ;)

1. Pick someone who likes the same things you do and the same foods you do rather than someone who looks good but hates the activities and the grinds you prefer. It will also be easier to talk to her if you have common interests.
Can I just say that having compatible interests in food is amazingly important? I've never seen a successful, long-term relationship where the partners disagreed on food. (At least not after eating together for awhile.)

It's like music - it's just one of those things that has to match up. :)

Ahhhhh, I miss that.

You're not alone in that. Sigh. :(

In other words, if you're able to tell a guy about this stuff (and not give the kind of subtle hints that guys never get and women never understand why they're not getting them), then he'll actually listen.

Amazing where direct communication can get you! It took me ages to discover it!!
You're absolutely right. I consider this to be an issue of respect.

At the risk of ruining my chances with you *8)*, I'll admit that I occasionally just ignore the hints entirely, even if I do recognize them. I know that it isn't very respectful, but I'm usually not pleased with the hints in the first place.

@Eutrusca... just noticed your sig... your first name is Forrest? And you have a son named Forrest? (Hence the "Sr"?)

Lasc, Eichen....I cant even imagine you guys having a moments trouble getting alllllllll then women! And I dont mean because youre both handsome as can be. From what I've seen about you two, you seem intelligent, ambitous,passionate, kind, witty, and funny. I'm gonna blame it on the women you've had to chose from. That has to be the only explanation.

I hope you both find that special someone who makes you breathless each time she enters the room.
That was sweet, being the underling of the winner of "Hottest Guy" thread, that's a compliment :p (I still say I'd do him too (LM) if he had the right genital configuration based on humor alone).

Seriously, most women I meet could care less about ambition or talent.
They care about "flash". I don't do (or like) much of that, not my style. I'm actually kinda shy in my real dating life.
Of course, here on "the beach", I don't meet many women who even know the difference between the right or left, let alone have a voter's registration card. Let alone know who Ghandi was.
Of course, this applies to most men too.

How much to ship human cargo from Georgia? ;)

@Eutrusca... just noticed your sig... your first name is Forrest? And you have a son named Forrest? (Hence the "Sr"?)

Yup! I have two sons and three daughters and an e-daughter ( waves at Peechy ), and five grandsons and two grandaughters. :)

You're absolutely right. I consider this to be an issue of respect.

At the risk of ruining my chances with you *8)*, I'll admit that I occasionally just ignore the hints entirely, even if I do recognize them. I know that it isn't very respectful, but I'm usually not pleased with the hints in the first place.
I can understand that... I think I've done that myself (to girl friends who were being passive aggressive). I guess it's just the way a lot of us are socialized - but it's a bad habit that women should work on overcoming.

Yup! I have two sons and three daughters and an e-daughter ( waves at Peechy ), and five grandsons and two grandaughters. :)
And your son, Forrest - he doesn't work with sound equipment or anything of the sort, does he?

That was sweet, being the underling of the winner of "Hottest Guy" thread, that's a compliment :p (I still say I'd do him too (LM) if he had the right genital configuration based on humor alone).
Awww!!! *:fluffle:'s Eichen* That was so sweet! Eichen, I think we ought to start a club to find women like Peech. Have you ever met anyone so charming? :)

And your son, Forrest - he doesn't work with sound equipment or anything of the sort, does he?

Heh! Nope. He's currently a salesman with a local company here in NC, working on his Masters degree, and has applied to the State Department ( he and his wife both ) to be accepted as a trainee.

I take it you know someone named "Forrest" who works with sound equipment?

Heh! Nope. He's currently a salesman with a local company here in NC, working on his Masters degree, and has applied to the State Department ( he and his wife both ) to be accepted as a trainee.

I take it you know someone named "Forrest" who works with sound equipment?
Yes, and it's not a name I've ever heard before him! Plus, he was from down south - maybe even North Carolina... met him a few years ago at the Philadelphia Folk Festival, so was just curious. :)

Thank you for sating my curiousity, though!

Yes, and it's not a name I've ever heard before him! Plus, he was from down south - maybe even North Carolina... met him a few years ago at the Philadelphia Folk Festival, so was just curious. :)

Thank you for sating my curiousity, though!

You're welcome, hon. "Forrest," while not a common name even down here, is still more common in the South than elsewhere. I was named after Nathan Bedford Forrest, Southern General from Tennessee, and Robert E. Lee, Southern General from Virginia ( my middle name is Lee ). Guess where my mother was from! ;)

BTW ... I take a lot of ribbing from my African American friends ... even the one who is also named "Forrest!" :D

Yup! I have two sons and three daughters and an e-daughter ( waves at Peechy ), and five grandsons and two grandaughters. :)
You, Sir, are an asshole (said with the most respect possible for the statement given).

I asked you for "Forum-Grandson" status a long time ago, and was ignored.

U know you're the best Grandpa around, sp0read the luv a lil'... ?

:D

Flowers and cards can do wonders for your relationship.And chocolates. Don't forget the chocolates.
Plus it doesn't have to be a whole bunch of flowers. I'm not particularly fond of flowers (certain types set my asthma off) but just a single beautiful flower can make me smile.

Awww!!! *:fluffle:'s Eichen* That was so sweet! Eichen, I think we ought to start a club to find women like Peech. Have you ever met anyone so charming? :)
All in favor, say "Aye". :)

You, Sir, are an asshole (said with the most respect possible for the statement given).

I asked you for "Forum-Grandson" status a long time ago, and was ignored.

U know you're the best Grandpa around, sp0read the luv a lil'... ?

:D

Whoop! Sorry, Eichen, I didn't see that post ... um ... at least I don't think I did. Sure! You are now honorable e-son of da Poppa! Only thing is, that means you'll never be able to date Peechy! Heh! ;)

Maybe I'm just confused, but that sounds a little sarcastic
Damn, my Grandma told me being a smartass would get me in trouble.

No sarcasm, and you've been here before my first post, you should know when I'm playing!
I'm actually pretty obvious, I don't say things to be ambiguous. I hate ambiguity.

I'd still do you though. :p

Whoop! Sorry, Eichen, I didn't see that post ... um ... at least I don't think I did. Sure! You are now honorable e-son of da Poppa! Only thing is, that means you'll never be able to date Peechy! Heh! ;)
Sweet!

But be a li'l more libertarian and let me date whoever I choose to. :)

This is the kind of advice that has had me rubbin' little man raw these days.
hey now, get a bit more graphic......................... ;)
what on EARTH is that supposed to mean???????????????????????

4. Don't get arrogant with them. Keep your pride to yourself and let them toot your horn, when necessary. This rule can be discarded during the dating phase because most don't fuck wallflowers.

Sometimes arrogance can be sexy. Not an extreme amount, but a little bit here and there. It keeps the relationship interesting, :)

Sometimes arrogance can be sexy. Not an extreme amount, but a little bit here and there. It keeps the relationship interesting, :)
Yeah, somebody like you would think that.

Yeah, somebody like you would think that.
That sounds a little mean don't you think?

Yeah, somebody like you would think that.

Like me? What does that mean?

This is the kind of advice that has had me rubbin' little man raw these days.

:eek:

That sounds a little mean don't you think?
Mean? That's not exactly what I was going for.
Like me? What does that mean?
Mean? That's not exactly what I was going for.

Mean? That's not exactly what I was going for.

I didn't say it was mean, I'm just curious what you meant by it.....

Wow, Im confused... :confused:

It was a horribly failed attempt at arrogance followed by a horribly failed attempt at being clever.

I'm going to go cry now.

It was a horribly failed attempt at arrogance followed by a horribly failed attempt at being clever.

I'm going to go cry now.

:fluffle:

Edit: You must remember I'm Polish and blonde, I would have no chance at getting something so clever and witty ;)

It was a horribly failed attempt at arrogance followed by a horribly failed attempt at being clever.

I'm going to go cry now.
OMG, and here I just got it! I feel stupid and mean now!!!

Im sorry, that was really quite clever, it just went over the head of a simpleton like me! My apologies! :(

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It's awfully hard to cry when you do that.

EDIT: Polish? I thought you were Belgian. And not entirely blonde. Then again, sometimes I just can't read or see.

It's awfully hard to cry when you do that.

EDIT: Polish? I thought you were Belgian. And not entirely blonde.

Then more :fluffle:, no crying

Nope 100% Polish, and "dirty" blonde heh....

Looks like everything worked out in the end! *nods* ;)

Then more :fluffle:, no crying

Nope 100% Polish, and "dirty" blonde heh....
You forgot adorably sexy!

Then more :fluffle:, no crying

Nope 100% Polish, and "dirty" blonde heh....
No, I want to cry!!!!! Let me cry! Let me cry!

Oh yeah, it was Belgian boys who were hot. I wouldn't know. I've only met one Belgian boy, but the girls in my dorm would always try to get him to take his shirt off when they were drunk.

7. fiercly independant


First of all, you meant fiercely independent. Secondly, I don't want that. My mother was independent to the point she must not have realized that the 7th commandment still applied...

I don't want a woman who is so independent she is never around and can't budge on anything.

But equally so, I don't want a doormat or a pushover, you need a HAPPY MEDIUM, which you fail to realize...

Also you mention dating feminists, sorry, that wouldn't float my boat, since I find most feminists are annoying and obnoxious, "Why don't men take us seriously?" types, (Answer, "you ask that question every five minutes, so how can we take you seriously?")

Don't get me wrong, you'll have to work hard to get a good woman, and if you get one, make her realize everyday how lucky you feel to have her, but you don't one who is extreme to either side. (How could any man get along with some feminazi "I hate men" type, or likewise, how could anything ever get done if the woman has no ability to take initiative and can't work without somebody constantly supervising)

Again, I say, "HAPPY MEDIUM".

Yes you have to work hard to get a good woman....but, they should also be working to keep you. A LOT of men forgeet the fact that its not up to the men to imrpess and the women to take the best deal all the time. If she doesn't offer you something for all the effort you are going to put in. Stand up for yourselves!!!

You forgot adorably sexy!
I didn't forget that. Don't think I won't milk this for what it's worth. 8) -- I mean, *sniffle*

Haha! Smoooooooth! ;)

Go tiger go! :D

I didn't forget that. Don't think I won't milk this for what it's worth. 8) -- I mean, *sniffle*

Haha, silly boy, no sniffling

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Haha, silly boy, no sniffling

:fluffle:
O.K. That's enough for now.

:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

And that's enough for the previous few minutes.

Okay, I think I've finally realized why my previous relationships haven't worked out as well as hoped (talking years ago, been single for a few).
Reason? I was a young asshole who didn't try to put myself in their uncomfortable, ill-fitting but fashionable shoes.
Here's the rules I wish my imaginary dad would've shared with his son:

1. They're usually right. Beyond that ubiquitous veil of illogical emotional sincerity, truth can actually be found.

2. Even when dating a feminist, hold open the fucking door and tell her she looks great tonight. Do not be afraid to assert the fact that you have testicles, either.

3. Don't fight. Women aren't looking at the conversation like a Trekkie (Or Data, if you prefer). No matter how small, any implication of intellectual or emotional superiority will only assure your place on the couch.

4. Don't get arrogant with them. Keep your pride to yourself and let them toot your horn, when necessary. This rule can be discarded during the dating phase because most don't fuck wallflowers.

5. Don't ever be seen taking up more mirror-time than they do.

6. Don't hold women to the same "all-walls-up" mentality that you do with your friends. She wants to be let in, and can probably help you clean up a little.

7. Tell her she's beautiful, fiercly independant and smart everyday. Chances are, she is.

8. Don't hold her up to rediculous standards based on your own insecurities and high hopes. Chances are, you're not everything she imagined when she was 12 either.

Any extra rules would be so appreciated from my fellow members who have something to share.
Just, please, don't post questions here. Chances are, we dudes don't have the answers.
I always thought that a rule only aplies to the man if you question the woman then the rule dosent apply but heck i know nothing.

Also you mention dating feminists, sorry, that wouldn't float my boat, since I find most feminists are annoying and obnoxious, "Why don't men take us seriously?" types, (Answer, "you ask that question every five minutes, so how can we take you seriously?")

Don't get me wrong, you'll have to work hard to get a good woman, and if you get one, make her realize everyday how lucky you feel to have her, but you don't one who is extreme to either side. (How could any man get along with some feminazi "I hate men" type, or likewise, how could anything ever get done if the woman has no ability to take initiative and can't work without somebody constantly supervising)

Again, I say, "HAPPY MEDIUM".
I think you're misapplying stereotypes to feminism.... most of my friends and I would consider ourselves feminists, but none of us would ever go around asking, "Why don't men take us seriously?" We just work hard, expect as much (or more) from ourselves as we do from men, and won't put up with the kind of sexist bs that affects our salaries, opportunities for advancement, expected household responsibilities, etc.

But we are also women who understand that equality and a healthy balance of dependence and independence in relationships is desireable. Also, there's nothing wrong with certain traditions (as long as they're not demeaning!). In other words, I happen to like it when men open the door, pay for dates in the beginning (I just want to be able to do that as well later on), etc.

I'd still do you though. :p
Ooh, can I watch??

(You + Lasc = HOT.)

;)

Let's see if I can figure this quote-in-quote thing out.



That sounds a little mean don't you think?

Mean? That's not exactly what I was going for.


Like me? What does that mean?

Mean? That's not exactly what I was going for.

Brilliant!