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English president blair tells it like it is

Jesussaves
08-02-2005, 16:38
Blair said iran and siria have been sending terrorists into iraqu and that they are sponsers of terrorsim. This is more proof that moslems just want to spread their hate.
Texan Hotrodders
08-02-2005, 16:39
Blair said iran and siria have been sending terrorists into iraqu and that they are sponsers of terrorsim. This is more proof that moslems just want to spread their hate.

By the way, Tony Blair is the Prime Minister, not the President.
New York and Jersey
08-02-2005, 16:42
Before the rabid liberals on this thread denounce the original poster. I'd like to go on the record and say..we dont want him.

Greg, Moderate-Republican, offical disowner of those who eat paintchips and yet consider themselves on the right or even moderate.
Battlestar Christiania
08-02-2005, 16:51
Iran and Syria are sponsors of terrorism, of this there can be no doubt.
And both are overwhelmingly Muslim nations.

However, there are over a billion Muslims on this planet. Some of them live in the United States -- some even serve in the U.S. armed forces. Some live in Israel -- some even serve in the Israeli Defense Forces! Some Muslims are mad-dog murderers. Some are peace-loving individuals with nothing but love in their hearts for Christians and Jews, their sprititual brethren.

In fact, the only place in the Middle East where support for the United States is stronger than in Iran is Israel! Indeed, much of the Iranian populace wants closer ties with the United States, and they admire her culture and her people.

It would be wrong to judge all Muslims by the actions of a few misguided fools, just as it would be wrong to judge all Jews by the actions of the Jewish leadership in 1st century Eretz Israel, or all Christians -- or even just all Catholics -- by the actions of some individuals during the Inquisition.
Neo-Anarchists
08-02-2005, 16:56
This is more proof that moslems just want to spread their hate.
No, it's proof that there are some extremist muslims that dislike the US and want us gone.
Alien Born
08-02-2005, 16:59
Blair said iran and siria have been sending terrorists into iraqu and that they are sponsers of terrorsim. This is more proof that moslems just want to spread their hate.

No it is just more proof of how blindingly stupid Blair really is.
Schoeningia
08-02-2005, 16:59
Stop trolling, jesussaves. It's not funny anymore.
Jesussaves
08-02-2005, 17:00
Moslems want to make us slaves. They want to have harims full of christian women and little girls. They are animals.
Neo-Anarchists
08-02-2005, 17:00
Stop trolling, jesussaves. It's not funny anymore.
Wasn't funny in the first place, but it's not like that will make him/her leave...
:(
The State of It
08-02-2005, 17:01
The lesson today is Ignorance!


3 things to point out utter ignorance.

1. Tony Blair is Scottish.

2. He is not a president, he is the Prime Minister of the UK.

3. Widespread generalisation of muslims spreading hate.


There are 1 billion muslims on this planet, and growing. If they were all declaring Jihad you would know about it.


One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Lesson over. Now be off with you.
Alien Born
08-02-2005, 17:02
Moslems want to make us slaves. They want to have harims full of christian women and little girls. They are animals.

Yaaawwwnnn
The State of It
08-02-2005, 17:02
Moslems want to make us slaves. They want to have harims full of christian women and little girls. They are animals.

Gotta love a Nazi...adopt one today.
Battlestar Christiania
08-02-2005, 17:03
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Then the second man is wrong.
Myrth
08-02-2005, 17:05
Moslems want to make us slaves. They want to have harims full of christian women and little girls. They are animals.

If you wish to debate, please do so in a civilised manner. Making blanket statements like this will set you on the fast track to official warnings and other moderator action.
Schoeningia
08-02-2005, 17:06
Then the second man is wrong.
The US troops in Iraq are freedom fighters from the American point of view, but terrorists for many Moslems.
So the Americans are wrong?
Drunk commies
08-02-2005, 17:06
Moslems want to make us slaves. They want to have harims full of christian women and little girls. They are animals.
I'm sure some do, and we're fighting them. Most are just born into a religion and follow it unquestioningly, like christians, jews, hindus, etc. Hopefully we'll all grow out of a need for an imaginary friend in the sky sooner or later.
Alien Born
08-02-2005, 17:07
I'm sure some do, and we're fighting them. Most are just born into a religion and follow it unquestioningly, like christians, jews, hindus, etc. Hopefully we'll all grow out of a need for an imaginary friend in the sky sooner or later.

Stop taking him seriously, and maybe he'll go away.
The State of It
08-02-2005, 17:07
Then the second man is wrong.

Define.
Battlestar Christiania
08-02-2005, 17:09
The US troops in Iraq are freedom fighters from the American point of view, but terrorists for many Moslems.
So the Americans are wrong?
The soldiers, sailors, Marines and airmen fighting terrorists in Iraq are not terrorists by any obbjective measure.
Drunk commies
08-02-2005, 17:09
Stop taking him seriously, and maybe he'll go away.
I'm hoping to keep him around long enough for him to post a "proof" that his god exists or that evolution is false. This whackjob's got to have some interesting "logic".
The State of It
08-02-2005, 17:09
The soldiers, sailors, Marines and airmen fighting terrorists in Iraq are not terrorists by any obbjective measure.

Define why.
Drunk commies
08-02-2005, 17:10
Define why.
Well, for one thing they're not targeting civillians.
Neo-Anarchists
08-02-2005, 17:10
I'm hoping to keep him around long enough for him to post a "proof" that his god exists or that evolution is false. This whackjob's got to have some interesting "logic".
Ooh, want some proofs of God's existence?
Clicky! (http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm)
Alien Born
08-02-2005, 17:12
I'm hoping to keep him around long enough for him to post a "proof" that his god exists or that evolution is false. This whackjob's got to have some interesting "logic".

Interesting maybe, logic I seriously doubt. Good luck ;)
SEO Kingdom
08-02-2005, 17:12
However, there are over a billion Muslims on this planet.

Actually there arent over a billion. There are 935,000,000(935 million) muslims
Alien Born
08-02-2005, 17:13
Well, for one thing they're not targeting civillians.

They are not very good at not hitting what they are not targetting then. (triple negative yeehah)
Texan Hotrodders
08-02-2005, 17:14
Actually there arent over a billion. There are 935,000,000(935 million) muslims

What's a few hundred million between friends, eh? ;)
The State of It
08-02-2005, 17:14
Well, for one thing they're not targeting civillians.

Apache helicopter footage and Jet fighter footage have shown targetting of civillians.
English Saxons
08-02-2005, 17:14
Blair said iran and siria have been sending terrorists into iraqu and that they are sponsers of terrorsim. This is more proof that moslems just want to spread their hate.

He's British PM, our Queen is the head of state (although ceremonial).

Blair isn't the PM of England either! England hasn't got an exclusive Parliament of its own, hasn't done for nearly 300 years.

Also hardly anybody trusts Blair.
Battlestar Christiania
08-02-2005, 17:15
Apache helicopter footage and Jet fighter footage have shown targetting of civillians.
That is a lie. United States armed servicemen DO NOT TARGET CIVILIANS!
The State of It
08-02-2005, 17:16
That is a lie. United States armed servicemen DO NOT TARGET CIVILIANS!

All because you say so. Excellent counter. Not.
Keruvalia
08-02-2005, 17:17
Moslems want to make us slaves. They want to have harims full of christian women and little girls. They are animals.

Yeah ... but who told you?
SEO Kingdom
08-02-2005, 17:17
What's a few hundred million between friends, eh? ;)

Sry but I have to be really awkward like that. :p Its just how I am :) :p
Drunk commies
08-02-2005, 17:18
Apache helicopter footage and Jet fighter footage have shown targetting of civillians.
I think you're refering to the footage of some men loading what were beleived to be RPGs from one truck to another in the middle of the night in the desert being blasted by the cannon on an Apache, and the mob moving down the streets during an uprising getting bombed. I am under the impression that in both situations the targets were insurgents.
Battlestar Christiania
08-02-2005, 17:18
Actually there arent over a billion. There are 935,000,000(935 million) muslims
Adherents.com says 1.3 billion.
SEO Kingdom
08-02-2005, 17:18
Hopefully we'll all grow out of a need for an imaginary friend in the sky sooner or later.

Are you calling God imaginary. Some Christians(such as myself) might find that offensive :mad:
Drunk commies
08-02-2005, 17:19
Are you calling God imaginary. Some Christians(such as myself) might find that offensive :mad:
Yes I am, and I don't care.
Texan Hotrodders
08-02-2005, 17:19
Yeah ... but who told you?

I did. Sorry, man. :(
SEO Kingdom
08-02-2005, 17:19
Adherents.com says 1.3 billion.


Guiness World Records says 935 million
World wide allies
08-02-2005, 17:19
Yeah ... but who told you?

aaaaah!

Muslim!

They are taking over our message boards and will hack our computers giving us general protection faults!

*cries*

:rolleyes:
SEO Kingdom
08-02-2005, 17:20
Yes I am, and I don't care.

How the hell do u think the universe wos created then
Belperia
08-02-2005, 17:20
Blair said iran and siria have been sending terrorists into iraqu and that they are sponsers of terrorsim. This is more proof that moslems just want to spread their hate.
1) He's Prime Minister.
2) Iran is spelt with a capital I.
3) Syria is too. And it's spelt Syria.
4) Iraq has no U on the end.
5) Sponsors... not sponsers.
6) Moslems spreading hate? Pray Christians never choose to, eh?

If I was you kid I'd change your idiot username. I know there are a fair few Christians on this forum and all you're going to do is set a bad example of what a Christian is. I've read about 5 of your posts now and they've all made me think you're a misguided middle-American who really does need to get laid or shoot up sufficiently to stop using the internet.

No offence intended.
Vonners
08-02-2005, 17:21
Are you calling God imaginary. Some Christians(such as myself) might find that offensive :mad:

Thats ok..I find religion offensive so we are all square...lets move on . org argh!
Texan Hotrodders
08-02-2005, 17:21
How the hell do u think the universe wos created then

Please don't start that argument in this thread. :(
Drunk commies
08-02-2005, 17:21
How the hell do u think the universe wos created then
I don't think it was created. I think it came to be, but I don't know how. That's alot more intellectually honest than claiming a god did it without any evidence.
SEO Kingdom
08-02-2005, 17:22
Thats ok..I find religion offensive so we are all square...lets move on . org argh!

How do u find religion offensive. Unless u r very messed up in the head
Drunk commies
08-02-2005, 17:23
Please don't start that argument in this thread. :(
Ok, I'm done with it.
SEO Kingdom
08-02-2005, 17:23
Please don't start that argument in this thread. :(

You mind me starting a new one? :p
Von Witzleben
08-02-2005, 17:23
The US troops in Iraq are freedom fighters from the American point of view, but terrorists for many Moslems.
So the Americans are wrong?
Well yes of course they are.
Keruvalia
08-02-2005, 17:23
I did. Sorry, man. :(

*sigh* ... nice little secret society we had for a while there ... you'll have to turn in your fez and decoder ring now.
The State of It
08-02-2005, 17:24
I think you're refering to the footage of some men loading what were beleived to be RPGs from one truck to another in the middle of the night in the desert being blasted by the cannon on an Apache, and the mob moving down the streets during an uprising getting bombed. I am under the impression that in both situations the targets were insurgents.


The Apache helicopter footage you mention is not the one I saw.

The mob in Fallujah, according to doctors, were civillians trapped between the fighting and were trying to escape.

Also, insurgents would not walk down a street in open view in the middle of fighting.
Texan Hotrodders
08-02-2005, 17:24
*sigh* ... nice little secret society we had for a while there ... you'll have to turn in your fez and decoder ring now.

No, not the decoder ring! *cry*
Battlestar Christiania
08-02-2005, 17:26
Also, insurgents would not walk down a street in open view in the middle of fighting.
The people we're fighting over there are not very smart.
Texan Hotrodders
08-02-2005, 17:26
You mind me starting a new one? :p

Have at it. It's not like it's not been done before.
Hogsweat
08-02-2005, 17:27
Blair said iran and siria have been sending terrorists into iraqu and that they are sponsers of terrorsim. This is more proof that moslems just want to spread their hate.
MORON

Saying that muslims want to spread their hate is your christian hypocrisy.

"I hate people that spread hate"

What is Siria? There is no country called Siria on this Earth. What is a Sponser? Where is Iraqu? What is Terrorsim?
Drunk commies
08-02-2005, 17:27
The Apache helicopter footage you mention is not the one I saw.

The mob in Fallujah, according to doctors, were civillians trapped between the fighting and were trying to escape.

Also, insurgents would not walk down a street in open view in the middle of fighting.
I've seen footage of insurgents doing much more stupid things. Like one who was shooting his rifle at a tank and got blown to shit for his trouble.
SEO Kingdom
08-02-2005, 17:28
MORON

Saying that muslims want to spread their hate is your christian hypocrisy.

"I hate people that spread hate"

What is Siria? There is no country called Siria on this Earth. What is a Sponser? Where is Iraqu? What is Terrorsim?

Not that ur picky or anything :p
Keruvalia
08-02-2005, 17:31
The people we're fighting over there are not very smart.

And, yet, 2 years later the battle rages on ... it's a sad state of affairs when the "greatest army in the history of the world" can't get rid of a few thousand thugs with AKs and the latest in wool body armor.

*shrug*
Battery Charger
08-02-2005, 17:31
How the hell do u think the universe wos created thenShut up. Just shut up. Please don't go there. Go find a related thread if you must.


For the record, Tony Blair is a great American ;)
Communist Collectives
08-02-2005, 17:31
The lesson today is Ignorance!


3 things to point out utter ignorance.

1. Tony Blair is Scottish.

2. He is not a president, he is the Prime Minister of the UK.

3. Widespread generalisation of muslims spreading hate.


There are 1 billion muslims on this planet, and growing. If they were all declaring Jihad you would know about it.


One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Lesson over. Now be off with you.

Oh my god, another person with a brain!
Keruvalia
08-02-2005, 17:32
What is Terrorsim?

The latest console gaming hit from Maxis ... where've you been?
Neo-Anarchists
08-02-2005, 17:32
Oh my god, another person with a brain!
:eek:
They shouldn't make it so noticable, someone might run up and steal it!!!
Communist Collectives
08-02-2005, 17:33
Blair said iran and siria have been sending terrorists into iraqu and that they are sponsers of terrorsim. This is more proof that moslems just want to spread their hate.

YOU ARE ARGUABLY THE MOST STUPID PERSON ON THE PLANET. DIE. GO AND DIE.

I normally would not flame a member, but this guy is beyond resonable discussion.
Swimmingpool
08-02-2005, 17:35
The soldiers, sailors, Marines and airmen fighting terrorists in Iraq are not terrorists by any obbjective measure.
Well, it depends on what they do, doesn't it?
The State of It
08-02-2005, 17:36
I've seen footage of insurgents doing much more stupid things. Like one who was shooting his rifle at a tank and got blown to shit for his trouble.

I saw that footage, and you don't actually see him aim at the tank.
Battery Charger
08-02-2005, 17:37
This really makes me wonder, does everyone know there's an ignore list? Just copy the name of the idiot you don't want to hear from, click 'profile'->'buddy/ignore lists', and paste it in the ignore list there. Sadly, there's no shortcut like there is to make someone your buddy.
Swimmingpool
08-02-2005, 17:39
That is a lie. United States armed servicemen DO NOT TARGET CIVILIANS!
Not most of the time anyway, when they're following the rules.
Hogsweat
08-02-2005, 17:42
No, US Servicemen don't target civilians, unless you remember when the truck full of Iraqi women and children was gunned down... Or the time when the Americans shot down a British plane. (That's not a civilian, but I better mention it) or the hundreds of Iraqi's killed in bombings? The hundreds of Afghanis? The hundreds of Vietnamese?

No, i'm not picky. I'd just like people to post with a bit of common sense and some knowledge of grammar and spelling.
General Mike
08-02-2005, 17:42
The people we're fighting over there are not very smart.Is that why they're beating you?
Belperia
08-02-2005, 17:43
YOU ARE ARGUABLY THE MOST STUPID PERSON ON THE PLANET. DIE. GO AND DIE.

I normally would not flame a member, but this guy is beyond resonable discussion.
You should add "No offence" at the end of your comment. Then it's not flaming! It's the Derbyshire thing to do, lad. :D
Llandor
08-02-2005, 17:49
Blair said iran and siria have been sending terrorists into iraqu and that they are sponsers of terrorsim. This is more proof that moslems just want to spread their hate.

*sigh*

1) Okay, Blair is the British Prime Minister. However presidential his governing style, it does not make him a President.

2) After the whole debacle over the 'dodgy dossier' about Iraq's WMDs (for those of you not in the know about the politics on this side of the pond, that resulted in the suicide of an innocent man, the hasty resignation of a prime ministerial advisor, and the sacking of the Director-General of the BBC, our major media outlet) everything that comes out of Blair's mouth, especially concerning the War on Terror ®, is taken by much of the population with a large pinch of salt.

3) How many Muslims do you actually know? I've yet to meet one who is anything but friendly, polite, and- this may shock you- perfectly normal.

Yeesh, it's people like you who give us Christians a bad name.
Skinny87
08-02-2005, 17:53
Sorry to interrupt...........but has anyone thought that this guy might just be flamebaiting in order to get a load of responses - we should just ignore someone like this because it seems like intentional flamebaiting, and he's succeeding when he shouldnt be
The State of It
08-02-2005, 17:55
2) After the whole debacle over the 'dodgy dossier' about Iraq's WMDs (for those of you not in the know about the politics on this side of the pond, that resulted in the suicide of an innocent man, .

Agreed with the rest of your post, but I would not be so hasty in saying 'suicide', especially after what the paramedics attending said...
Neo-Anarchists
08-02-2005, 17:55
Sorry to interrupt...........but has anyone thought that this guy might just be flamebaiting in order to get a load of responses - we should just ignore someone like this because it seems like intentional flamebaiting, and he's succeeding when he shouldnt be
S/He's trolling and possibly flamebaiting, and s/he's been reported to the Moderators already as well as given a warning by one of them.
Sinuhue
08-02-2005, 17:56
Blair said iran and siria have been sending terrorists into iraqu and that they are sponsers of terrorsim. This is more proof that moslems just want to spread their hate.
Please follow basic grammatical rules when using the written word as your medium. Punctuation and capitalisation (including proper nouns like Iraq and Syria) is also important. A spell check before submission would be good too.

This has been a visit by the GrammarPolice. :D
Sinuhue
08-02-2005, 17:57
S/He's trolling and possibly flamebaiting, and s/he's been reported to the Moderators already as well as given a warning by one of them.
I'm amazed Jesussaves is still around...wasn't he (or she or it) clearly trolling a couple of days back?
Llandor
08-02-2005, 18:00
Agreed with the rest of your post, but I would not be so hasty in saying 'suicide', especially after what the paramedics attending said...

Aye, true, it's the real stuff of conspiracy theories...
Neo-Anarchists
08-02-2005, 18:00
I'm amazed Jesussaves is still around...wasn't he (or she or it) clearly trolling a couple of days back?
I looked through past posts, and none of that seemed clearly offensive, just a display of obstinence and stupidity. Hmm, let me check again...
Hmm, the closest I could see was one saying:
budda was possesed by a demon. The demon tries to trick people into not accepting Jesus.
Vonners
08-02-2005, 18:05
How do u find religion offensive. Unless u r very messed up in the head

Ahh yes very good. You have made my case for me.
Lacadaemon
08-02-2005, 18:09
I looked through past posts, and none of that seemed clearly offensive, just a display of obstinence and stupidity. Hmm, let me check again...
Hmm, the closest I could see was one saying:

Bah, I remember the good old days, when that would have been considered nothing.
The State of It
08-02-2005, 18:20
Aye, true, it's the real stuff of conspiracy theories...

Shadowy goings on, my friend. Not to forget his last e-mail.
Gataway_Driver
08-02-2005, 18:38
No, US Servicemen don't target civilians, unless you remember when the truck full of Iraqi women and children was gunned down... Or the time when the Americans shot down a British plane. (That's not a civilian, but I better mention it) or the hundreds of Iraqi's killed in bombings? The hundreds of Afghanis? The hundreds of Vietnamese?

No, i'm not picky. I'd just like people to post with a bit of common sense and some knowledge of grammar and spelling.

U forgot Kosovans or was that just us Brits?

appologies for people who have spelt this correctly (including quote above).

MUSLIM

What is a Moslim n e way?
Neo-Anarchists
08-02-2005, 18:40
MUSLIM

What is a Moslim n e way?
An outdated spelling of "muslim".
Schoeningia
08-02-2005, 18:42
Well yes of course they are.
I know that.
(You may answer to my posting in the "wrong side of conflict"-thread, If you want.)
Gataway_Driver
08-02-2005, 18:43
An outdated spelling of "muslim".

right *looks stupid at own ignorance* :D
Battlestar Christiania
10-02-2005, 17:50
No, US Servicemen don't target civilians, unless you remember when the truck full of Iraqi women and children was gunned down..

After trying to run a roadblock and refusing to stop despite repeated warnings. The family of those killed don't blame the U.S. military for their deaths, by the way.
shot down a British plane[/b].

It was hit by a Patriot missile because he didn't have his IFF transponder on.

(That's not a civilian, but I better mention it) or the hundreds of Iraqi's killed in bombings? The hundreds of Afghanis? The hundreds of Vietnamese?

Because the opposing forces deliberately and murderously kept civilians in harm's way.
Battlestar Christiania
10-02-2005, 17:57
Is that why they're beating you?
Excuse me? They're dying by the hundreds, and are being driven out of one city after another. Iraq just had its first free elections in history. The terrorists are no more winning the War in Iraq than Japan won the War in the Pacific. :rolleyes:
Tagmatium
10-02-2005, 18:04
Both in this Gulf War and ths last, American planes have attacked a British tank column and got away with it. Both times they where clearly displaying British flags.
The State of It
10-02-2005, 18:24
Excuse me? They're dying by the hundreds, and are being driven out of one city after another. Iraq just had its first free elections in history. The terrorists are no more winning the War in Iraq than Japan won the War in the Pacific. :rolleyes:

I would hardly call the insurgents as 'not smart'.

With the lack of technology they have, they are still maintaining a campaign of attacks, and are inflicting casualaties on the US troops.

The insurgents were not destroyed in Fallujah, those that survived simply left, and regrouped elsewhere, and they are forming everywhere.

Mosul is the latest example. I would not be surprised if the US military bomb the shit out of that and announce victory as well...

The insurgents will only pop up somewhere else.

And with the destruction of Iraqi cities, Iraqis will be enlisting to join up in resisting.
Haken Rider
10-02-2005, 18:33
That Jebussaves is good! Every thread he starts turns into a classic.
SEO Kingdom
10-02-2005, 19:39
While were on the topic of America killing "friendly forces" whaqt about those 8 CANADIANS thay "accidentally" bombed
Dobbs Town
10-02-2005, 19:42
While were on the topic of America killing "friendly forces" whaqt about those 8 CANADIANS thay "accidentally" bombed

At the time of the inquiry, I was on a different forum altogether, and the resounding sentiment there was that the US pilot in question should have killed more of our troops, and be given a medal for it as well.

I kid you not.
Hoo Doo
10-02-2005, 20:22
That Jebussaves is good! Every thread he starts turns into a classic.That's very true. But that doesn't stop him/her becoming increasingly annoying.
Moslems want to make us slaves. They want to have harims full of christian women and little girls. They are animals.1. The Muslim extremists probably feel the same way about the Bush Administration.
2. What is a harim? (no sarcasm, it's a serious question)
3. All humans are animals, yes, even you.

Regarding your first post in this thread, take note from what people have said about Tony Blair's position and about the correct way to spell 'Iraq', 'Iran' and 'Muslim'.