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As the current British government will not hold a referendum on whether we should stay in europe and be governed by Brussels, lets hold a little referendum here.

Pulling out of the EU is not the same as pulling out of Europe.

As for pulling out of the EU....chances are that it would do more harm than good.

What Britain ought to be doing is taking charge of the EU instead of bleating about how the evil French and Germans are destroying the UK.

Well we've got Mags to thanks for that one really. Silly bint.

UKIP!
When is this referendum? I'm going to be so pissed off if it's before I get back to England, I've already missed one vote.

I don't think we should pull out completely, but we should say no to the EU Constitution.

Bah. We should actually act with the EU more, before we're eventually side-lined for shouting 'how high' when America tells us to jump!

As the current British government will not hold a referendum on whether we should stay in europe and be governed by Brussels, lets hold a little referendum here.


Errrrr, leave europe? How are they going to manage that? Is Britain going to put up a big-assed flag in Wales and sail further out to sea until it is no longer part of the continent?

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Errrrr, leave europe? How are they going to manage that? Is Britain going to put up a big-assed flag in Wales and sail further out to sea until it is no longer part of the continent?

:p

No no.... don't be silly. We'll do that, but after we take out the two bridges, sending Wales away to America, and then we attach another flag to Scotland, pulling us North up to iceland, which we'll re-attach as the new Wales. We'll have to work quickly though, they Icelandic people might not take it well. Ireland can stay where it is.

Pulling out of the EU? No thanks. I'm rather fond of the fact that I don't need a visa to visit other EU countries, nor that I need a work permit to work in them. I'm especially fond on the EU convention on Human Rights that allowed the Law Lords to knock back indefinate detention without trial as illegal. I do however think that Joining the single currency and signing up to the constitution should be given a vast amount of thought, and that we shouldn't dismiss it (or accept it) until we know what is going to be in the constitution.

No no.... don't be silly. We'll do that, but after we take out the two bridges, sending Wales away to America, and then we attach another flag to Scotland, pulling us North up to iceland, which we'll re-attach as the new Wales. We'll have to work quickly though, they Icelandic people might not take it well. Ireland can stay where it is.

B-b-b-b-ut... what makes you think that we want the Welsh?

As the current British government will not hold a referendum on whether we should stay in europe and be governed by Brussels, lets hold a little referendum here.o.O I thought they were bound by law (an EU law) to hold a referendum before being allowed to ratify any constitution.

B-b-b-b-ut... what makes you think that we want the Welsh?

Nobody wants the Welsh, and it takes a special kind of insane plan, on this kinda of scale, to get rid of them. But at least you'll have a new code language...

llfslalsalwldaldlflaf..... eh?
(that was a random collection of letters, but it looks like Welsh to me!)

Yeah... anyway.
It certainly requires a lot of thought. I'm definitely not for the whole constitution and single currency, but the small things, the ones that don't drastically affect British sovereignty, they're more acceptable. Europe, as a single entity, really can't work. Britain is a very different nation to mainland Europe, and mainland Europes cultures are hardly identical either. I'm not in favour of being more integrated than we currently are, anyway.

Pulling out of the EU? No thanks. I'm rather fond of the fact that I don't need a visa to visit other EU countries, nor that I need a work permit to work in them. I'm especially fond on the EU convention on Human Rights that allowed the Law Lords to knock back indefinate detention without trial as illegal. I do however think that Joining the single currency and signing up to the constitution should be given a vast amount of thought, and that we shouldn't dismiss it (or accept it) until we know what is going to be in the constitution.

The Human Rights Act is a grand folly which should be repealed at the first opportunity. Why, you ask? Well previously these human rigths legislation has never been needed in Britain - if you think about it we have had the last 300 hundreds without any official human rigths but yet we still have been one of the most free countires in the world during those 300 years. In the 18th Century, the Europeans were crushing their pres while the British press and freedom of speech was growing. In this country people have always had a trial by jury and the right to appeal.

The fact is that the Human Rights Act makes the system to inflexible. There are times when freedom of the press and freedom of speech must be withdrawn - like when we are in the middle of major war like World War 2 - then the government should be allowed to impose censorship measures of things that could damage the moral of the home front. The right of habeaus corpus should be suspended in some dire circumstances like in the 1790s when there was war with revolutionary France and Jacobinism was spreading.

In Britiain human rights have been around far longer than in any other European country. Freedom of the press and freedom of speech have been present in our system since the times of the Stuarts and habeus corupus and trial by jury have been around longer than ever that. We don't need some European burecrats to make our system totally inflexible and therefore totally incapable of decent reaction.

B-b-b-b-ut... what makes you think that we want the Welsh?

What makes you think the welsh want you? :p

Bullshit about being a different identities. Just look at the UK. English, Welsh, Scotish and the Cornish, The North/South divide, and the huge difference in rural/urban populations. If all these different types of people can live in one nation then any mixture of people can... probably...

Bullshit about being a different identities. Just look at the UK. English, Welsh, Scotish and the Cornish, The North/South divide, and the huge difference in rural/urban populations. If all these different types of people can live in one nation then any mixture of people can... probably...

The cultures are far more shared than most people give credit for, and it took... 700 years of warring, coupled by three hundred years of a unified nation for everything to really completely die down. Even then you have terrorist groups like the IRA... Britain is stable now, but even recently (not that recently, more 1950s-80s) there was a lot of real bitterness between the opposing groups that has only just died down and become more a topic for humour than real division. It's still a division for some, though.

hear hear, don`t 4get devon,somerset and dorset, i`m a devonian and proud of it, whereelse can you get devon cream teas, yummy, and i am also proud to be british, xxxxx :)

In this country people have always had a trial by jury and the right to appeal The Terrorism Act? The people held in Belmarsh Prison? That one guy held under house arrest?

The EC/EEC/EU has given us fifty years of unparalelled peace and prosperity. Thanks to this, we don't need Visas to visit Europe, most EU states don't even require passports to travel between each other.

Instead of sending tanks across each others borders, French and German cabinet members attend each others meetings. Last year, for the first time in history, they even spoke with one voice at an EU conference, when President Chirac spoke for both France and Germany after Chancellor Shroeder had to return to Berlin.

Monetary union has made life simpler for ordinary citizens and big business alike. Citizens can literally nip across the border for a holiday, or a visit to a corner shop, and just take money out of their wallets. Businesses can plan long term without having to worry about currency fluctuation.

UKIP claims that it is patriotic to demand the withdrawel from an organisation which has only served to benefit us. UKIP claims it is patriotic to have no voice whatsoever in what will be, with or without us, the largest free trade block on the planet. UKIP claim it is patriotic to impose additional, unnecessary taxes on 40% of our imports and exports.

What planet are they living on? And how fast is it spinning?

The cultures are far more shared than most people give credit for, and it took... 700 years of warring, coupled by three hundred years of a unified nation for everything to really completely die down. Even then you have terrorist groups like the IRA... Britain is stable now, but even recently (not that recently, more 1950s-80s) there was a lot of real bitterness between the opposing groups that has only just died down and become more a topic for humour than real division. It's still a division for some, though.

Wasn't Texas annexed from Mexico by the US. Texas seems to be fully integrated into US society. Canada combines parts English and French culture.

Europe already has many common cultural aspects. Religion, love of Football, the fact that most countries were screwed over by both world wars and other things... okay, so that many as of yet. But unifications does not mean loss of culture through amalgamation.

I for one am for the EU, a united Europe recovering from the ravages of civil war (WW2 and Balkans to name two) to emerge as a united people.

There are of course faults, but these hopefully will be corrected with time.

If Britain pulls out, we will be consumed by the delighted Americans.

Being part of the EU saves Britain from falling further in standards to a subserviant 51st state of America.

The world needs a strong Europe, and indeed a strong China, to save the world from a destructive, greedy, warmongering America.

Europe as it is now, is a perfect counter balance, and hopefully it will get stronger and more united, for issues remain that need to be clarified.

The likes of Robert Kilroy Silk proclaim that what they are doing is in the interests of Britain and he is not a Nazi.

He has been a member of Labour, stating that he would be leader in fifteen years.

It did not happen.

He joined UKIP, stating he wanted to be leader.

It did not happen.

He has now formed his own party, so far of one.

He is a power hungry, attention seeking meglomaniac who hopefully will never see and hold true power, for such racists, glossy and smooth as he is, is the wet dream of the far right.

Glossy and smooth he may be, but a Nazi all the same.

What makes you think the welsh want you? :p


Well, if they drifted straight accross into Atlantic Canada, they would probably feel right at home! They'd be in an area of hard drinking, high unemployment, unintelligable versions of english, and even the towns are named with suitably silly monikers.

What Welshman wouldn't feel at home in Pecker's Point? Or Bangs Falls? Meat Cove or Shag Harbour? Hell, if they don'tlike Dildo they can head up the road to Upper Dildo! And if they need to move further inland there is always St. Louis de Ha! Ha!

Of course, they would petition to have the towns re-spelled with 12 extra l's and w's, but other than that it would be nirvanah for them!


But, that being said - we still don't want 'em. Clearly we have enough issues to deal with on our east coast already....

:D

Pulling out of the EU? No thanks. I'm rather fond of the fact that I don't need a visa to visit other EU countries, nor that I need a work permit to work in them. I'm especially fond on the EU convention on Human Rights that allowed the Law Lords to knock back indefinate detention without trial as illegal. I do however think that Joining the single currency and signing up to the constitution should be given a vast amount of thought, and that we shouldn't dismiss it (or accept it) until we know what is going to be in the constitution.

You may already know what is going to be in the constitutional treaty: The text has been made, submited to the European parliament, and approved by the European parliament, awaiting only the ratification of member states. If even one does not ratify the treaty, it cannot go into force.

You may find the Text of the Treaty here:
http://europa.eu.int/constitution/index_en.htm


It really has some innovations (like a secession clause, a clear defence of huma rights, it also give juridic personality to the EU, etc.), but it basically is a sum up of all previous treaties: The EU is currently ran over the text of a bazillion treaties, this one will simply replace all previous treaties (since the treaty of rome in 1950, to maastricht, nice, etc.) with one simple text.



o.O I thought they were bound by law (an EU law) to hold a referendum before being allowed to ratify any constitution.

a) You won't ratify a constitution, you will (or not) ratify a constitutional treaty
b) There is no EU law that forces countries to hold referendums, they choose to have them in their own free will.