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http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/COA404A.html



"In the early 1930s, some of America's wealthiest industrialists and bankers plotted to overthrow the government of President Franklin D. Roosevelt (FDR) and replace it with a fascist dictatorship. Thanks to one of the greatest whistleblowers of all time, we know the names of the prominent Wall Street financiers and politicians (both Democrat and Republican) who organized and backed this plot. The whistleblower who exposed the fascist plot was a U.S. military hero named Major-General Smedley Darlington Butler."

1. Is this true?
2. Is this common knowledge?
3. What difference if they had succeeded?

That's the reason why the world is so messed up. Big corporations propping up dictators so they can pillage their economies for profit and with minimum government inteference.

During World War II
* IBM computers helped the Nazis organise exterminations of Jews and other unwanted peoples
* FANTA was created by Coca-Cola corporation for German consumption as it's bad press to be selling Coke to Germany when Americans drink it as patriots
* GW Bush's grandfather was a Nazi banker in the US (and got caught)

That's the reason why the world is so messed up. Big corporations propping up dictators so they can pillage their economies for profit and with minimum government inteference.

During World War II
* IBM computers helped the Nazis organise exterminations of Jews and other unwanted peoples
* FANTA was created by Coca-Cola corporation for German consumption as it's bad press to be selling Coke to Germany when Americans drink it as patriots
* GW Bush's grandfather was a Nazi banker in the US (and got caught)
You forgot that Henry Ford was also a big supporter of Hitler initially and even sent him several thousand German marks on his birthday.

As for the Fanta, I was under the impression that it was created because in Germany, they were unable to get the ingredients for coca cola during the war, and came up with Fanta (short for Fantastisch!) instead.

* GW Bush's grandfather was a Nazi banker in the US (and got caught)

Why doesn't that come as a big surprise?

Major General Smedley Butler is one of the most decorated US generals for the US marine corp. This is an excerpt from one of his speeches. I would trust Major General Butler and what he says. Politicians care about one thing and that is reelection if they anger the ones with the most money then they get no support.Assuming ethics will reign supreme when it comes to politics. Is to deny reason. Here is part of his speech.

Major General Smedley Butler, USMC

The following is an excerpt from a 1933 speech by Major General Smedley Butler, USMC. General Butler was TWICE awarded the Medal of Honor (1914, 1917).

"War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people.

Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses.

I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else. If a nation comes over here to fight, then we'll fight. The trouble with America is that when the dollar only earns 6 percent over here, then it gets restless and goes overseas to get 100 percent. Then the flag follows the dollar and the soldiers follow the flag.

I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.

There isn't a trick in the racketeering bag that the military gang is blind to. It has its 'finger men' to point out enemies, its 'muscle men' to destroy enemies, its 'brain men' to plan war preparations and a 'Big Boss' Super-Nationalistic-Capitalism.

It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty-three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle-man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.

I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.

I helped make Honduras "right" for American fruit companies in 1903. I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.

During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents."

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/COA404A.html



"In the early 1930s, some of America's wealthiest industrialists and bankers plotted to overthrow the government of President Franklin D. Roosevelt (FDR) and replace it with a fascist dictatorship. Thanks to one of the greatest whistleblowers of all time, we know the names of the prominent Wall Street financiers and politicians (both Democrat and Republican) who organized and backed this plot. The whistleblower who exposed the fascist plot was a U.S. military hero named Major-General Smedley Darlington Butler."

1. Is this true?
2. Is this common knowledge?
3. What difference if they had succeeded?

1. Is this true?
I have some very severe doubts about this being true. Sedley Darlington Butler did write a piece about the financial winners and the losers involved in war, which was highly critical of big business and war in general: War is a Racket (http://lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm)
Given this, his supposed saying that he himself was a racketeer, as stated in the globalresearch article seems unlikely.

2. Is this common knowledge?
All I can say is that I had never heard of it, but I am not American.

3. What difference if they had succeeded?
This question assumes that the article is true. Running with that, I have absolutely no idea how the world would be right now. It is difficult to know if Hitller would have succeeded in conquering both the UK and the USSR if the USA had not entered the war. Would there have been a Pearl Harbour attack by the Japanese against a fascist USA. I believe that this would have happened regardless of the US political situation.
How long would any such dictatorship have lasted in the USA? As the majority seem to be just as susceptible to propaganda as people elsewhere in the world, I have to believe it would have lasted a long time. Would the USA be as economically powerful as it is today? I beleive not, but with no real evidence to support this. (Fascist regimes have tended to self destruct by going to war, before any long term economic trends can be established.)

Just so we have some context about who's writing this stuff, here's a quote form that website's about page:


About the Centre for Research on Globalization

The Centre for Research on Globalisation (CRG) is an independent research and media group of progressive writers, scholars and activists committed to curbing the tide of "globalisation" and "disarming" the New World Order. The CRG webpage at http://globalresearch.ca based in Montréal publishes news articles, commentary, background research and analysis on a broad range of issues, focussing on the interrelationship between social, economic, strategic, geopolitical and environmental processes.
CRG Statement

The Centre's objective is to unveil the workings of the New World Order.

War and globalization go hand in hand, leading, in the post Cold War era, to the destruction of countries and the impoverishment of hundreds of millions of people. In turn, this global economic system is marked by an unprecedented concentration of private wealth. The institutions of war, police repression and economic management interface with one another. NATO is not only in liaison with the Pentagon and the CIA, it also has contacts with the IMF and the World Bank. In turn, the Washington based international financial bureaucracy, responsible for imposing deadly "economic medicine" on developing countries has close ties to the Wall Street financial establishment.

The powers behind this system are those of the global banks and financial institutions, the military-industrial complex, the oil and energy giants, the biotech conglomerates and the powerful media and communications giants, which fabricate the news and overtly distorts the course of world events. In turn, the police apparatus represses, in the name of "Western democracy", all forms of dissent and critique of the dominant neoliberal ideology.

This "false consciousness" which pervades our societies, prevents critical debate and masks the truth. Ultimately, this false consciousness precludes a collective understanding of the workings of a World economic and political system, which destroys people's lives. The only promise of global capitalism is a World of landless farmers, shuttered factories, jobless workers and gutted social programs with "bitter economic medicine" under the WTO and the IMF constituting the only prescription.

The New World Order is based on the "false consensus" of Washington and Wall Street, which ordains the "free market system" as the only possible choice on the fated road to a "global prosperity". The CRG purports to reveal the truth and disarm the falsehoods conveyed by the controlled corporate media.

Michel Chossudovsky,
Editor

29 August 2001


Any site that uses the words "New World Order" is nothing but http://www.animeleague.net/~berrik/emot-tinfoil.gif in my book.

If I remember correctly, the Germans also set up fake arms businesses in the US before 1941 as well.The theory was that nations standing against them would buy from businesses in the US, and obviously buying from a business that didn't actually have any arms to sell woul set your plans back somewhat. Apparently if Japan hadn't attacked Pearl Harbor there was a strong chance this plan would have worked.

Cheers Japan.

* GW Bush's grandfather was a Nazi banker in the US (and got caught)


Wrong, he was a steel king, Prescot Bush, he helped sell steel to the Nazis, even after the USA got into the war, and he went to jail for a few weeks and was given a slap on the wrist fine (compared to the 10s-100s of millions he made, the fine was nothing).

Just so we have some context about who's writing this stuff, here's a quote form that website's about page:



Any site that uses the words "New World Order" is nothing but http://www.animeleague.net/~berrik/emot-tinfoil.gif in my book.

Care to explain why Annuit Coeptis Novus Ordo Seclorum is still on the $1 notes?

Wrong, he was a steel king, Prescot Bush, he helped sell steel to the Nazis, even after the USA got into the war, and he went to jail for a few weeks and was given a slap on the wrist fine (compared to the 10s-100s of millions he made, the fine was nothing).

So the Bush's made money from selling steel to an enemy who were fighting against the US. That's treason!

So the Bush's made money from selling steel to an enemy who were fighting against the US. That's treason!
Yeah but it happened ages ago so historically it's not important. Remember that history in the USA is only what you see in Hollywood films like Pearl Harbor and U-571.

Yeah but it happened ages ago so historically it's not important. Remember that history in the USA is only what you see in Hollywood films like Pearl Harbor and U-571.

The history you see is what the nice heroic stuff Americans want to see.
They do not want the dirty secrets from US corporations indirectly aiding the Nazis and other dictatorships to be publicised as it's been happening all the time.

Prescott, George H and George W Bush are bad as each other. Secret deals everywhere.

Corporations all over the world have their dirty secrets and always seek to profit from nations where they can pay poorly and work without restriction to the detriment of the workers.

Care to explain why Annuit Coeptis Novus Ordo Seclorum is still on the $1 notes?

I have no idea what that even means...

Anyway, my point is, this site is run by some crackpot anti-globalization conspiracy theorists and thus anything they say should be taken with a grain of salt.

Yeah but it happened ages ago so historically it's not important. Remember that history in the USA is only what you see in Hollywood films like Pearl Harbor and U-571.
Well thanks a lot. Now I have to gouge out my eyes because you mentioned Pearl Harbor.

Oh, and Smedley's a really funny name.

* FANTA was created by Coca-Cola corporation for German consumption as it's bad press to be selling Coke to Germany when Americans drink it as patriots


Not true. The man who ran Coca Cola's German interests invented the drink to keep the German arm of the company from folding during the war, since he couldn't get ingredients for Coke itself.

http://www.snopes.com/cokelore/fanta.asp