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I say yes for four reasons.

1. The celebacy vow was implemented by a Pope, not even by Christ. (Although I could care less if Chirst himself came to me in a dream and told me otherwise.)

2. With all the hidden scandals (you know what I'm talking about) maybe getting priests around some women would stop the madness.

3. Pretty much every other religion lets their "priest-level" men marry and they are still do fine.

4. This priests need to pour their love into God crap is just that, crap. See number three, everyone else still loves God, and their wife.

Why not? The celibacy rules were based off a series of rules for transferring mideival fiefs. It was also hoped that this would prevent dynasties in the church. Times have changed.
BTW, I read in my diocese's local paper that the Australian Concil of Priests asked the Bishop Synod of Australia to ask the Vatican to change the rules.

3. Pretty much every other religion lets their "priest-level" men marry and they are still do fine.

The Divinely revealed Catholic religion is indeed unique amongst all the religions of the world in many ways.

Priests should not marry.
1. they 'marry' the church when vowing
2. they should not have scandals if they are devoted to God
3. they initially would seperate from either church breaking priestly vows, or seperate from wife by not following the rules Christ said(love your wife more than anything other than God)

Two biblical translators sit in a monastery.

First monk: "Why are you crying, brother?"
Second Monk, holding a book: "It say's celebrate!"

Yes.

With the falling numbers of men entering the priesthood I think ordaining married priests is a necessity.

Yes.

With the falling numbers of men entering the priesthood I think ordaining married priests is a necessity.
The number of Traditional Catholic priests is rising greatly.

Priests should not marry.
1. they 'marry' the church when vowing
2. they should not have scandals if they are devoted to God
3. they initially would seperate from either church breaking priestly vows, or seperate from wife by not following the rules Christ said(love your wife more than anything other than God)

1. Polygamy is an important aspect of Christianity. Anyway, it's not really a marriage, not matter how similar it might be.
2. But they do. Perhaps wives would allow them to better keep their loyalty to God by not setting up a confilct between God and the libido.
3. I don't see why. By allowing them to get lasting earthly love as well as divine love they would be less compelled to choose one or the other.

On the other side, the "Bible never says it" argument is irrelevant because we're talking about Catholicism which recognizes other divinely inspired decrees and works.

In general I think that priests should be allowed to marry as it would stop the whole scandal issue.

Of course they should be allowed to marry...... well, once the altar boy turns 18 at least!!

:D

The "there won't be sex scandals if they can have sex" arguement doesn't hold a lot of water. There are many other sex scandals among other denominations and religions, but other religions don't have the same hierarchy as the Catholic Church, so they're not seen as much and are dealt with much differently. There are certainly married pedophiles and rapists as well.

Could the Church allow priests to marry? Sure. But I don't think it would make enough of a positive difference to go through the trouble.

Sure, priests should be allowed to marry.
I mean, who else would you have marrying people?
...
Oh wait, you mean get themselves married, don't you.
Right, carry on.

The number of Traditional Catholic priests is rising greatly.
yeah i hear its in double digits now

No, if they use their faith and all that crap to stop others(gays) from marrying then by god they better stick by there word and not get married themselves.

The number of Traditional Catholic priests is rising greatly.
Now watch the number of pedophiles rize at the same rate :p

On behalf of the Empire of Ezekial2517, I offer this observation.

Celibacy is not natural to humanity. Our species lives and dies, we are sexual creatures who have evolved from creatures who reproduce.

Why does sex feel so good? Because it's neccessary to reproduce. Mother Nature intends us to come together, man and woman.

It is unnatural to deny us these things.

The Christian Church is also an unnatural construction, and if christianity no longer serves the interests of the state, it is useless. The Empire of Ezekial 2517 is well on its way to restructuring religion. A new religion will be forged, one that serves the needs of the state, as religion should. A cult of Ezekial.

Hail the new church, mwahahaha.

a requirement for Catholic priests is for them to remain celebate, riight?


SO, following that logic, if they had a wife, and they didnt have sex with her,. would that be allowed?

I might be wrong though, as i am not Christian so I dont know all of the rules and stuff.

3. Pretty much every other religion lets their "priest-level" men marry and they are still do fine.


Meh ... that's because traditional Catholics place their priests on a level above men ... able to perform divine acts such as transubstantiation and whatnot.

Very, very few other religions - with the exception of most Pagan religions - do that. To the rest of us, an "Imam" or "Rabbi" or "Mullah" or whatever are just learned men.

I suppose if you're going to put your priests on a pedestal, then you just have to deal with what you get.

jewish religous law encourages rabbis to get married.dont see why jewish religions child shouldnt.....

i understand the logical reason.i very logical reason back then too.nowadays though,i think its prolly obsolete.

The number of Traditional Catholic priests is rising greatly.

Really?

Well they closed a school that was used to train boys for the Priesthood a few years back.

It has been suggested that the lack of candidates is one of the reasons the Church has been hiding the pedophiles.

2. With all the hidden scandals (you know what I'm talking about) maybe getting priests around some women would stop the madness.


Ahh this one again.

Access to a woman will not prevent pedophillia.

a requirement for Catholic priests is for them to remain celebate, riight?


Funny you mention that. If they have to be celebate, then why would it matter if a Priest admited he was a homosexual?

I think preists chould marry if they want to.

Meh ... that's because traditional Catholics place their priests on a level above men ... able to perform divine acts such as transubstantiation and whatnot.

Very, very few other religions - with the exception of most Pagan religions - do that. To the rest of us, an "Imam" or "Rabbi" or "Mullah" or whatever are just learned men.

I suppose if you're going to put your priests on a pedestal, then you just have to deal with what you get.

Ahh but Muslims basically do the same thing. Why else are some Imams or Clerics talk about violence and murder are ok in certain matters and they have a large amount of followers?

At least with the Catholics, there are methods to defrock a Priest that goes against the teachings?

It's now always used but it's used, but they can....

If the priests were permitted to marry each other, you'd kill a whole buncha birds with one stone...

Of course Priests should be able to marry. Satanic Priests have always been able to get married.

Posted by Satanist, Lord Medivh

If the priests were permitted to marry each other, you'd kill a whole buncha birds with one stone...
Quoted for truth and justice.

The RC holds on to a lot of medieval mistakes, sadly...and this one, like the others should be junked.

In the bible it says chaste - and chaste doe not mean no sex/ no marriage - it means you are supposed to be true sexually and relationshipwise to the one you've formalized a relationship with. I.E. no affairs - not 'no marriage'.

I reckon it depends on what type of Christianity a priest follows. The Catholic strain of priests would certainly not get married at all, but the Anglican, Uniting and Protestant churches aren't as strict about priests not marrying.

Why does sex feel so good? Because it's neccessary to reproduce. Mother Nature intends us to come together, man and woman.

Well thats a bland observation, if this is so, should excercising not feel good? Should eating healthy food not taste better?

The Divinely revealed Catholic religion is indeed unique amongst all the religions of the world in many ways.
With the death of Christ's disciples and Paul the church kindof wandered of course. Once divinely reaveled, now fumbling around clumsily.

[EDIT]That's just what I, personally, think. Please don't flame me.

Ahh this one again.

Access to a woman will not prevent pedophillia.
Access to a healthy, normal sexual outlet might.

Access to a healthy, normal sexual outlet might.

No. Not really. There are many cases of fathers with a "normal" sex life attacking their own children or other children.

No. Not really. There are many cases of fathers with a "normal" sex life attacking their own children or other children.
Like I said might. I am still willing to bet it would put a dent in the problem.

Well thats a bland observation, if this is so, should excercising not feel good? Should eating healthy food not taste better?

It does, to some people. The same way sex does not feel good for some..me thinks.

Yes.

With the falling numbers of men entering the priesthood I think ordaining married priests is a necessity.
i find this logic interesting; it's not based on anything thelogical, doesn't even CONSIDER the fact that the Pope is supposedly God's voice on Earth and the Pope ordered priests to remain celebate, it just basically says "well, our numbers are dropping, so let's promise them sex so they will join up!"

interesting faith you've got there.

Like I said might. I am still willing to bet it would put a dent in the problem.
according to virtually all the research out there, having access to "normal" sex will not put a dent in the problem. on the contrary, allowing pedophile priests to marry will only increase the likelihood that they will have a child of their own who they will then molest.

At least they should in the freeest country of the world. Then the others will follow.

LOL

I say yes for four reasons.

2. With all the hidden scandals (you know what I'm talking about) maybe getting priests around some women would stop the madness.



I think it's been proven that pedophiles are always going to remain as such, and this ignores the fact that pedophiles that get into the clergy aren't pedophiles because they have no outlet, they're that way period... We all have heard stories of priests or preachers, rare stories, who use the services of hookers (this is an outlet when self-control breaks down). Ideally and in practice though, most priests probably successfully remain celebate.

Permitting marriage won't affect those who are always going to be interested in little boys.

Yes.

With the falling numbers of men entering the priesthood I think ordaining married priests is a necessity.
A married man can become a priest.
Plus the original inception of the idea was to control the Church more easily from a central point, in the days of Wilfred etc priests were not celebate, it was the dominance of the church of rome over the church of ireland that brought this about, both were technically Catholic churches.

I say yes for four reasons.

1. The celebacy vow was implemented by a Pope, not even by Christ. (Although I could care less if Chirst himself came to me in a dream and told me otherwise.)

2. With all the hidden scandals (you know what I'm talking about) maybe getting priests around some women would stop the madness.

3. Pretty much every other religion lets their "priest-level" men marry and they are still do fine.

4. This priests need to pour their love into God crap is just that, crap. See number three, everyone else still loves God, and their wife.
A resounding yes... partially because it's quite clear that the church said no priests could marry in order to wrest power away from families and weaken non-church community bonds.

Of course they should be allowed to marry. It never said in the bible they shouldn't, in fact it says it no where. The history behind it is this, back in the 16th or 17th century (can't recall it was one of the two) the church decided to introduce the practice of not allowing their priests to marry. Up and until that point they had been allowed. The reason for the church's decision had nothing to do with God or even religion. It was about greed and money. The church is and was very rich, they didn't want to lose any land. If the priests wife out lived her husband she would get the land. By not allowing them to get married, that meant they couldn't have sex because the tenets within the church says you can't have pre-martial sex. Having no sex was just fall out of the greater reason. Thus by not allowing them to marry, upon their death the land would remain with the church. That my friends is the true story of how it all happened. So, it has nothing to do with God or religion, it was about greed and money. A little history for ya!

Solemnly decreed by the Council of Nicaea, the First Ecumenical Council, in 325, clerical celibacy has strong Scriptural and Traditional origins.

Of course they should be allowed to marry. It never said in the bible they shouldn't, in fact it says it no where. The history behind it is this, back in the 16th or 17th century (can't recall it was one of the two) the church decided to introduce the practice of not allowing their priests to marry. Up and until that point they had been allowed. The reason for the church's decision had nothing to do with God or even religion. It was about greed and money. The church is and was very rich, they didn't want to lose any land. If the priests wife out lived her husband she would get the land. By not allowing them to get married, that meant they couldn't have sex because the tenets within the church says you can't have pre-martial sex. Having no sex was just fall out of the greater reason. Thus by not allowing them to marry, upon their death the land would remain with the church. That my friends is the true story of how it all happened. So, it has nothing to do with God or religion, it was about greed and money. A little history for ya!

True, true. The Catholic church is infamous for making so many little rules and restrictions that were supposed to be by holy decree and to break them meant a journey to hell. However, all of those rules were never in the original bible; the spirit of Jesus's teachings has been uttery lost forever save for a few niche Christian groups.