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All right, Defensor Fidei is giving the Church a bad name so if anything he says disturbs you feel free to ask a REAL Catholic in this topic, not a heretic seperatist like Defensor(sp?).

I'm not easy to disturb.


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further.

How can I listen to you, Commando? I can only read what you post! :D

Can I stone my kids to death?

Can I stone my kids to death?

No. The 10 commandments say not to kill.

No. The 10 commandments say not to kill.

What if they covet the neighbour's ox, though?

Can I stone my kids to death?

Don't say that where a Social Worker can hear you. :p

Haven't we had enough "ask a catholic" threads?

I love it when Catholics talk about heretics :P

No. The 10 commandments say not to murder.
Fixed. ;)

Is it okay for me to be friends with Jews?

I love it when Catholics talk about heretics :P
Trust me, I'm a conservative Catholic and I find what Defensor Fidei/Tenete Traditions/Whatever latin name he uses now says repugnant. Listen to Commando2.
~Arizona Nova

I have a lesbian friend who really loves her girl-friend with her whole heart and would die for her.
Will she go to hell?

:headbang: Come on, just stop it Commando2! Do you know that you also give catholics a bad name? Please just stop all this nonsense before I have to call Voltron in to sort things out.

Do they have a rule against wearing a little "Pope Hat" on the tip of my penis?

Do they have a rule against wearing a little "Pope Hat" on the tip of my penis?

God, I hope not! :eek:

Do they have a rule against wearing a little "Pope Hat" on the tip of my penis?

Only if you give it back to the Pope afterwards.

If I want to listen to a Catholic I will have a chat with my fiancee, who's probably better educated on Catholicism than you could ever hope to be, Commando2. I don't necessarily agree with everything she says, but she's no dummy and she understands Catholicism very well.

Ironically, I just gave tax advice to a Catholic! :eek:

Ironically, I just gave tax advice to a Catholic! :eek:
Ironic??? How so? You've surely been listening to too much Alanis Morisette (always bad for you)

(interestingly, I've been sitting reading these quite disturbing posts by racists who believe all rap is terrible, and religious fundementalists who appear to have crossed time to the 21st century from the inquisition, and my first post is questioning the use of the word irony in this context...)

Ironic??? How so?

Because THIS thread is for the giving of advice BY Catholics.

You've surely been listening to too much Alanis Morisette

Um....no.

Can I stone my kids to death?No. The 10 commandments say not to kill.But what if they're witches? Oh... right, then we burn them. ;)

My question still stands; will my friend burn in hell for loving a woman, or not?

[QUOTE=Battlestar Christiania]Because THIS thread is for the giving of advice BY Catholics.
#QUOTE]

Yeah but thats not ironic. If, perhaps, this catholic had come to you begging for help with the tax, and you had given it with great reluctance, and now the opposite was happening, then you might have the starters for some quality irony. This is just coincidental.....

I love it when Catholics talk about heretics :P
i love it when a disgrace to christianity talks about heretics

Ironic??? How so? You've surely been listening to too much Alanis Morisette (always bad for you)

(interestingly, I've been sitting reading these quite disturbing posts by racists who believe all rap is terrible, and religious fundementalists who appear to have crossed time to the 21st century from the inquisition, and my first post is questioning the use of the word irony in this context...)
From beginning to end, this post reeks of asshole.

My question still stands; will my friend burn in hell for loving a woman, or not?

Yes, the only ones allowed to be homosexual are priests

Q:how do you get a nun pregnant?
A: dress her up as an altar boy

From beginning to end, this post reeks of asshole.
Hey, Im only making a minor point. Honestly, some people have no sense of humour.

Well, I'm glad this thread and it's originator are being given the respect they deserve. :D

Well, I'm glad this thread and it's originator are being given the respect they deserve. :D
Karma's a bitch! :p

But commando2 is a religious maniac.

He's asking us to "listen to a nutcase and not a whackjob"

I dont see why anyone should listen to either of them.

He's asking us to "listen to a nutcase and not a whackjob" :p LMAO

That's basically what I heard him say as well.

I have a lesbian friend who really loves her girl-friend with her whole heart and would die for her.
Will she go to hell?

Yes, most likely if she continues her sinful lifestyle.

Fixed. ;)

Is it okay for me to be friends with Jews?

Yes.

Yes, most likely if she continues her sinful lifestyle.
but did Jesus not teach us to love everyone?

What if this girl accepts Jesus as her saviour, but wants to spend her life with the woman she loves?

what if she spends her weekends helping at the local soup kitchen or homeless shelter?

does she still go to hell because of who she loves?

Yes, most likely if she continues her sinful lifestyle.
That's sad, because I love her very much. She's one of my very best friends.
What does that mean for me? Must I fear to burn in hell too?

What if this girl accepts Jesus as her saviour, but wants to spend her life with the woman she loves?

Actually, she's an atheist.

but did Jesus not teach us to love everyone?

What if this girl accepts Jesus as her saviour, but wants to spend her life with the woman she loves?

what if she spends her weekends helping at the local soup kitchen or homeless shelter?

does she still go to hell because of who she loves?
no, shes gonig to hell, and you too for defending her, and that is the word of god, amen

That's sad, because I love her very much. She's one of my very best friends.
What does that mean for me? Must I fear to burn in hell too?


Actually, she's an atheist.

So she is a sodomite and an atheist? Then she will probably go to hell unless she quits the peversion of the homosexual lifestyle and gets baptized.

but did Jesus not teach us to love everyone?

What if this girl accepts Jesus as her saviour, but wants to spend her life with the woman she loves?

what if she spends her weekends helping at the local soup kitchen or homeless shelter?

does she still go to hell because of who she loves?

She is an atheist, and atheists are not saved.

The Pope's going to die soon... Any word on the street about how much it's going to cost to buy the next papacy?

(for those of you who don't know, historically, around the 1500's and 1600's, the Roman Catholic Church would sell the Papacy to the highest bidder. Google "Borgia" if you don't believe me, that's the name of one of the most infamous "highest bidder" popes.)

She is an atheist, and atheists are not saved.

What about agnostics?

That's sad, because I love her very much. She's one of my very best friends.
What does that mean for me? Must I fear to burn in hell too?


Actually, she's an atheist.
i was just being hypothetical - do homosexuals still go to hell even if they embrace Jesus as their saviour?

So she is a sodomite
This really does beg the question....

Then she will probably go to hell unless she quits the peversion of the homosexual lifestyle and gets baptized.
I think that she will do neither the one thing nor the other. Am I supposed to quit any kind of contact with her to save my own soul?

She is an atheist, and atheists are not saved.

Thank god! :p I don't have to worry about going to heaven with either C2 or SD.

The Pope's going to die soon... Any word on the street about how much it's going to cost to buy the next papacy?

(for those of you who don't know, historically, around the 1500's and 1600's, the Roman Catholic Church would sell the Papacy to the highest bidder. Google "Borgia" if you don't believe me, that's the name of one of the most infamous "highest bidder" popes.)
They didn't sell the papacy like some old knock-off.

For a start there was no 'they.'

However, it was not uncommon for certain Cardinals (*coughtheBorgiascough) to bribe and/or blackmail the rest of the cardinals though.

Ok I'll bite.

Can God microwave a burrito so hot that he himself cannot eat it?

Would I do better to ask my priest spiritual questions instead of someone on the internet? Am I the only person that doesn't press my personal religious convictions on people?

But so far as getting sound moral advice, I'd say conservative Catholics have it down pretty well.

They didn't sell the papacy like some old knock-off.

For a start there was no 'they.'

However, it was not uncommon for certain Cardinals (*coughtheBorgiascough) to bribe and/or blackmail the rest of the cardinals though.Gotta love that 'old time religion'. :p

As for the price of a papalcy, I'd imagine an opening bid would have to be in the high 8 figure range.


Limme check my sofa for change, it sounds like fun. :D

So she is a sodomite and an atheist? Then she will probably go to hell unless she quits the peversion of the homosexual lifestyle and gets baptized.

I don't remember her saying she was a sodomite, just a lesbian. Or are you privy to the details of their bedroom antics? :p

Gotta love that 'old time religion'. :p

As for the price of a papalcy, I'd imagine an opening bid would have to be in the high 8 figure range.


Limme check my sofa for change, it sounds like fun. :D

Maybe we could club together some money.

I don't remember her saying she was a sodomite, just a lesbian.
Only for the record: I'm male.^^

Would I do better to ask my priest spiritual questions instead of someone on the internet? Am I the only person that doesn't press my personal religious convictions on people?

But so far as getting sound moral advice, I'd say conservative Catholics have it down pretty well.

Feel free to ask a priest, I'm just trying to provide better info than SD.

I think that she will do neither the one thing nor the other. Am I supposed to quit any kind of contact with her to save my own soul?

You can still talk to her but you should try to convince her to stop following Satan and trying to follow God.

Maybe we could club together some money.
I think I'll run it by the board of directo......I mean talk to the elders of the church. Having a pope in the pocket could be a very sound finan..... I mean, Christ has appeared to me in a vision and asked me to serve gods will as pope of the Holy Roman Church.,

yeah that's it.

Now all we gotta do is wait for that old pole to kick it. Then I can set my plan for a hostile corporate takeover of the Catholic church in motion.

Feel free to ask a priest, I'm just trying to provide better info than SD.
If by better, you mean a little less mad-dog crazy, than I'm with you all the way.

I think I'll run it by the board of directo......I mean talk to the elders of the church. Having a pope in the pocket could be a very sound finan..... I mean, Christ has appeared to me in a vision and asked me to serve gods will as pope of the Holy Roman Church.,

yeah that's it.

Now all we gotta do is wait for that old pole to kick it. Then I can set my plan for a hostile corporate takeover of the Catholic church in motion.

You are being a heretic. Stop bashing the Church. It made many errors in the Middle Ages but those have been corrected, such as the selling of indulgences.

You can still talk to her but you should try to convince her to stop following Satan and trying to follow God.
She doesn't believe in the existence of Satan and she doesn't praise him.

Only for the record: I'm male.^^

Did I miss something, or wasn't he talking about your lesbian friend?

Did I miss something, or wasn't he talking about your lesbian friend?
I quoted that sentence of yours:


I don't remember her saying she was a sodomite, just a lesbian.
I thought you mean me with the bolded term. Sorry for that.

She doesn't believe in the existence of Satan and she doesn't praise him.

By not accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior she is doing the work of Satan.

You are being a heretic. Stop bashing the Church. It made many errors in the Middle Ages but those have been corrected, such as the selling of indulgences.I'm a middle aged Catholic, I did my time in catholic school, I earned the right to ridicule the church.

God has a sense of humor and he hates people making rules for him.

I'll put money on the lesbian getting into heaven before you do.

By not accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior she is doing the work of Satan.
The only thing she does is loving her girl-friend. You want to tell me that you can work for Satan by being in love with someone else?

But commando2 is a religious maniac.

So was Jesus. And Paul, and Peter, and John, and Abraham, and Moses, and Samson....see where I'm going?

The only thing she does is loving her girl-friend. You want to tell me that you can work for Satan by loving someone else?

Both Holy scripture and Church teaching condemn homosexuality. It is selfish, disgusting, and a perversion to God's word.

So was Jesus. And Paul, and Peter, and John, and Abraham, and Moses, and Samson....see where I'm going?
We shouldn't listen to them either?

We shouldn't listen to them either?

Blasphemy.

Blasphemy.
Thats the general idea yes.
Also for quick reference: I went to a catholic school from kindergarten through what is now sophmore year of college and ended up a gay athiest. Now thats blasphemy.

Blasphemy.
My dear god kid, even I can see your pain from here.

I fear you'll never escape the gravity of your own massive dorkiness.

You need to get out more often. Go to a party instead of church sometime.
Maybe get a girlfriend, one not so obsessed with religion.

Thats the general idea yes.
Also for quick reference: I went to a catholic school from kindergarten through what is now sophmore year of college and ended up a gay athiest. Now thats blasphemy.

Give up your sinful ways and give glory to the Lord!

It is selfish, disgusting, and a perversion to God's word.
Please explain how love can be a selfish thing.

My dear god kid, even I can see your pain from here.

I fear you'll never escape the gravity of your own massive dorkiness.

You need to get out more often. Go to a party instead of church sometime.
Maybe get a girlfriend, one not so obsessed with religion.

To a party? Trust me, I've been and they are nothing but sinful drinking, swearing, and immorality. I never go anymore, and I don't intend to again.

Please explain how love can be a selfish thing.

Sodomy is not love, but immoral perversion.

Give up your sinful ways and give glory to the Lord!
Nah I'm good. Its actually pretty fun.
In the words of Billy Joel "I'd rather dance with the sinners than cry with the saints, because the sinners
have much more fun"

Sodomy is not love, but immoral perversion.
But she has the same feelings for her girl-friend that I have for mine. Am I immoral perverted too for having these feelings?

To a party? Trust me, I've been and they are nothing but sinful drinking, swearing, and immorality. I never go anymore, and I don't intend to again.
Last time I checked, and yes I did actually check, drinking alcohol is not a sin.

Sodomy is not love, but immoral perversion.
Fair enough, but sodomy is anal/oral sex. I agree that isn't love. However you can love someone of the same sex.

To a party? Trust me, I've been and they are nothing but sinful drinking, swearing, and immorality. I never go anymore, and I don't intend to again.

Hehehe! This reminds me of a quote I saw on Bash.org...

"I've certainly met quite a few more violent christians ("lets go kill us some fags") than violent gays ("lets go break into someones house and decorate it!")."

Anyone up for joining me in the second part of that? Commando2's house could probably use a nice makeover!

I think I'll run it by the board of directo......I mean talk to the elders of the church. Having a pope in the pocket could be a very sound finan..... I mean, Christ has appeared to me in a vision and asked me to serve gods will as pope of the Holy Roman Church.,

yeah that's it.

Now all we gotta do is wait for that old pole to kick it. Then I can set my plan for a hostile corporate takeover of the Catholic church in motion.

I believe that's President Bush's line! :D

To a party? Trust me, I've been and they are nothing but sinful drinking, swearing, and immorality. I never go anymore, and I don't intend to again.
Oh, dude. In what shithole do you live?
Here on the Florida coast, you wouldn't be just sitting there jerking off with your bible all day.
Life will get better.

Oh, dude. In what shithole do you live?
Here on the Florida coast, you wouldn't be just sitting there jerking off with your bible all day.
Life will get better.

An upper class town in New England actually. I just don't approve of these teenage parties.

You are being a heretic. Stop bashing the Church. It made many errors in the Middle Ages but those have been corrected, such as the selling of indulgences.

Oh lord in heaven who is my shepeard save this man's soul.

Indulgences were actually more around the time of the early Renaissance,

and you said you were catholic? Such "correctections" are protestant

beliefs. So you believe that protestants corrected the INFALLABLE WORD OF

THE CHURCH OF ROME?! As far as I see someone ho spits poison at others

instead of teaching the true grace of god is a heretic and a sinner. The lord

did say that only he could judge. To hate your fellow human being and to

claim that they are condemned to hell is a grievous sin, and our lord said it

was akin to killing your fellow man. Be they gay, straight, latino, retarded, or

are a midget, their judgement is God's not yours "commando2" and another

thing why does a supposed "man of god" have a name like commando, a

soldier, one who kills, you sir are the heretic and again I pray for your soul as

claiming to poses such wisdom truly is challenging the omniscence of God.

Oh and one last request, no, one last DEMAND. Everytime you state

something quote the passage in the bible from which it comes. And DO NOT

refer to the old testament, it does not count, if you truly understood your

own religion you would know the new testament was meant to amend the

changes God wished to make when he saw the suffering he caused his people.

So Commando2, come, accept my challenge, like in the olden times we will

have a trial by ordeal, and whoever God sides with will come out unharmed.

An upper class town in New England actually. I just don't approve of these teenage parties.
Nevermind. At least I don't have to worry about you trying to kill yourself.
Not with your fanatical brand of Catholicism.

Oh lord in heaven who is my shepeard save this man's soul.

Indulgences were actually more around the time of the early Renaissance,

and you said you were catholic? Such "correctections" are protestant

beliefs. So you believe that protestants corrected the INFALLABLE WORD OF

THE CHURCH OF ROME?! As far as I see someone ho spits poison at others

instead of teaching the true grace of god is a heretic and a sinner. The lord

did say that only he could judge. To hate your fellow human being and to

claim that they are condemned to hell is a grievous sin, and our lord said it

was akin to killing your fellow man. Be they gay, straight, latino, retarded, or

are a midget, their judgement is God's not yours "commando2" and another

thing why does a supposed "man of god" have a name like commando, a

soldier, one who kills, you sir are the heretic and again I pray for your soul as

claiming to poses such wisdom truly is challenging the omniscence of God.

Oh and one last request, no, one last DEMAND. Everytime you state

something quote the passage in the bible from which it comes. And DO NOT

refer to the old testament, it does not count, if you truly understood your

own religion you would know the new testament was meant to amend the

changes God wished to make when he saw the suffering he caused his people.

So Commando2, come, accept my challenge, like in the olden times we will

have a trial by ordeal, and whoever God sides with will come out unharmed.
Now that folks, was a damn good first post.
Even his Christian peers find him "out there".:D

Both Holy scripture and Church teaching condemn homosexuality. It is selfish, disgusting, and a perversion to God's word.Why? Why does God hate homosexuality? The church never explained that one to me satisfactorily. And God told you his feelings on this? I'm still waiting for him to get back to me on this myself.

Frankly everyone who ever told me "God's word" on some issue was never someone I'd trust on the matter.

You're no exception.

Until God himself tells me he hates Gay people, I'll live by Christ's teachings of tolerance.

Why? Why does God hate homosexuality? The church never explained that one to me satisfactorily. And God told you his feelings on this? I'm still waiting for him to get back to me on this myself.

Frankly everyone who ever told me "God's word" on some issue was never someone I'd trust on the matter.

You're no exception.

Until God himself tells me he hates Gay people, I'll live by Christ's teachings of tolerance.


God doesn't have to explain himself because he's God.... according to some at least.

I agree with you, Christs teachings are the ones to follow, not those full of hate in Leviticus. Or have you all you devout catholics avoided shellfish too?

God doesn't have to explain himself because he's God.... according to some at least.

I agree with you, Christs teachings are the ones to follow, not those full of hate in Leviticus. Or have you all you devout catholics avoided shellfish too?

Paul, who was guided by the Holy Spirit, condemned homosexuality as well.

Paul, who was guided by the Holy Spirit, condemned homosexuality as well.

The bible teaches to condmen their acts, not the people themselves.

Paul, who was guided by the Holy Spirit, condemned homosexuality as well.
He also condemned being effeminate.

:eek: Oh noes, Is Eddie Izzard going to hell?

He also condemned being effeminate.
Somebody condemned crossdressing as well, so I'm screwed over, I suppose.

So she is a sodomite and an atheist? Then she will probably go to hell unless she quits the peversion of the homosexual lifestyle and gets baptized.

That's Jesus' love for ya right there.

My way or the highway...to hell.

Somebody condemned crossdressing as well, so I'm screwed over, I suppose.
Me too. Even though I only do it on the weekends :(

Somebody condemned crossdressing as well, so I'm screwed over, I suppose.

Please keep these types of things to yourself...what you do with yourself is yo and God's business. I think God wouldn't necesarily condemn that, as long as you are causing yourself no bodily harm, and don't do it in public.

I think God wouldn't necesarily condemn that, as long as you are causing yourself no bodily harm, and don't do it in public
Most homosexuals aren't causing themselves any bodily harm and don't make love to each other in public.
Well?

That's Jesus' love for ya right there.

My way or the highway...to hell.

His love is that he came down from heaven, and was brutally crucified so you may share in his eternal life.

Please keep these types of things to yourself...what you do with yourself is yo and God's business. I think God wouldn't necesarily condemn that, as long as you are causing yourself no bodily harm, and don't do it in public.
Well, me being a transsexual, it depends on how Christianity concieves of gender, really. If they percieve it as my birth sex, then I'm constantly cross-dressed.

What is the Christian stance on transsexuals, anyway?
Maybe I should start a new thread instead of hijacking this one?

Most homosexuals aren't causing themselves any bodily harm and don't make love to each other in public.
Well?

God didn't intend for a man to stick his penis in a another man. It's for the sole purpose of reproduction, and pleasure between man and woman. God created sex as a gift to mankind, and if it is abused, then God condemns it.

His love is that he came down from heaven, and was brutally crucified so you may share in his eternal life.

I'm sure Jesus was a nice guy and all and dying for my sins was cool. But the Christian religion today is far to fucked up to base my life on, plus God doesn't exist.

Well, me being a transsexual, it depends on how Christianity concieves of gender, really. If they percieve it as my birth sex, then I'm constantly cross-dressed.

What is the Christian stance on transsexuals, anyway?
Maybe I should start a new thread instead of hijacking this one?

There is no "Christian stance" on it. Although I'm sure most would condmen. If God intended for you to be a male, then you're a male. But then again, he could have intended for you to be a female, and something went wrong. Who knows.

What is the Christian stance on transsexuals, anyway?

'Tis condemned!

I'm sure Jesus was a nice guy and all and dying for my sins was cool. But the Christian religion today is far to fucked up to base my life on, plus God doesn't exist.

Prove. NOW.

Yes. Listen to a catholic, not christians.

You see, christians are technically heretics. If your a lutheren, your a heretic. If your protestant, your also a heretic.

And if you believe in creation, you ARE a heretic.

God doesn't exist, because he is only what we make of him. We have the greek God/goddess. You have the hindu gods, you have the christian gods. There are many gods. But with so many gods contradicting one another, you can't technically have a god.

Society makes god, to explain the unexplainable. Even an MRI scan can tell you that. When a person prays, certain parts of his/her brain lights up.

You could also argue that we go wherever we believe were going to go. But then we could argue that terrorists are actually going to go to heaven because they actually believe their killing infidels. And even that, heaven/hell is what we make of it.

Prove. NOW.

No, you prove. NOW.

You are the one saying "God exists" you have to prove it.

Here's one. There is far too much suffering, death, and pain in this world for any benevolent creator to allow.

God didn't intend for a man to stick his penis in a another man. It's for the sole purpose of reproduction, and pleasure between man and woman. God created sex as a gift to mankind, and if it is abused, then God condemns it.
Let's stay on the example of my friend than. I can assure that she and her girl-friend are not sticking their penisses into each other. As for the reproduction point, they can adopt an orphan.

Trust me, I'm a conservative Catholic and I find what Defensor Fidei/Tenete Traditions/Whatever latin name he uses now says repugnant. Listen to Commando2.
~Arizona Nova

I'm not religous, but I thought I'd say that I find it absolutely repugnant that this guy - if he's as bad as what I've heard about him O_o - carries a latin name as his title.

[contemplates starting 'ask a latin student' thread...]

*ducks out of thread before someone flames me for not believing in God*

Trust me, I'm a conservative Catholic and I find what Defensor Fidei/Tenete Traditions/Whatever latin name he uses now says repugnant. Listen to Commando2.
~Arizona Nova
Well, yeah, but I wouldn't go as far as to say "Listen to Commando2". He wants to ban free speech!

No, you prove. NOW.

You are the one saying "God exists" you have to prove it.

Here's one. There is far too much suffering, death, and pain in this world for any benevolent creator to allow.

That's hardly proof. At all. God has a reason for everything. He allows it to happen because without suffering, we would not know happiness at all. If you don't believe in God, that's fine. Everyone is entitled to his or her beliefs. Fact is, the existence of a deity can't be proved either way. It's a matter of faith. I've got faith in God, as he has shown himself to me. I've got my proof.

I'm not religous, but I thought I'd say that I find it absolutely repugnant that this guy - if he's as bad as what I've heard about him O_o - carries a latin name as his title.

[contemplates starting 'ask a latin student' thread...]
What are you talking about? :confused:

Yes. Listen to a catholic, not christians.

You see, christians are technically heretics. If your a lutheren, your a heretic. If your protestant, your also a heretic.

And if you believe in creation, you ARE a heretic.
Well Protestants (including Lutherans) are heretics, but if you deny Creation, then you too are a heretic.

So she is a sodomite and an atheist? Then she will probably go to hell unless she quits the peversion of the homosexual lifestyle and gets baptized.
Lesbians count as sodomites? I thought that anal penetration was necessary for it to be considered sodomy.

What are you talking about? :confused:

The heretic referred to in the title of the thread, if he's as bad as they say (I don't have firsthand experience, so...)

Of course, if that's you, I would be talking about you ;)

Lesbians count as sodomites? I thought that anal penetration was necessary for it to be considered sodomy.

Lesbians are just as evil as gays.

That's hardly proof. At all. God has a reason for everything. He allows it to happen because without suffering, we would not know happiness at all. If you don't believe in God, that's fine. Everyone is entitled to his or her beliefs. Fact is, the existence of a deity can't be proved either way. It's a matter of faith. I've got faith in God, as he has shown himself to me. I've got my proof.

I find faith a shaky thing to base my life or the laws and morality of a society on.

Lesbians count as sodomites? I thought that anal penetration was necessary for it to be considered sodomy.
I thought that too, but I guess that the true catholics have more professional knowledge about the true nature of this sin. :rolleyes:

Lesbians are just as evil as gays.
So we learned:
Love is evil.

Lesbians are just as evil as gays.
What about hate the sins not the sinner?

Lesbians are just as evil as gays.

Wow, what a dick thing to say.

Lesbians are just as evil as gays.

Please, stop. They are NOT evil, they just have an evil practice. No one, (save a few people) are inherently evil. God doesn't hate homosexuals. God doesn't hate sinners. God doesn't hate those who don't believe in christ.

I think you might be forgetting that all sins are equal in God's eyes. You are just as much a sinner as homosexuals.

Well Protestants (including Lutherans) are heretics, but if you deny Creation, then you too are a heretic.
Heretics > all. If your listen to the most corrupt form of control in the history of humanity, you are an idiot in my book.

Wow, what a dick thing to say.
Actually, come to think about it. He's right. Lesbians are as evil as Gays. The only thing is, Gays aren't evil.

Wow, what a dick thing to say.
You just made yourself a dick too, though you may not have noticed it, you just put gays down too.

Lesbians are just as evil as gays.
Thank you captain obvious, Lesbians are gay. Thats like saying a Italian is just as evil as an European...

You just made yourself a dick too, though you may not have noticed it, you just put gays down too.

No, I didn't. Now be quiet.

i still confused


I mean, i understand the homosexuality is forbidden in the bible

but that was written whoknows how long ago by men,not god (while it is gods words, no one can deny that it was actually men who did the writing). And men a couple of thousands of years ago, still mixed their understandings/upbringing with faith.


So why is all change bad? After all, Christians (or should that be Catholics,sorry always mix those two up. I'm refering to overall group) changed Judiasm to get their own basic religon. And then all the other groups were formed by their own changes, so why is a change from the bible considered evil?

No, I didn't. Now be quiet.
Yes you did, would you like me to explain it?
He said Lesbians are just as evil as gays. You said what a dick thing to say. By saying that, you are saying that gays are evil. If you were saying that gays weren't evil, then being just as evil as gays wouldn't be a bad thing. Anyway it doesn't matter because lesbians are in fact gay.

I'm 14. Baptised catholic. Had no friggen idea what was goin on in church until I was 6 and they explained the whole god/jesus thing to me in kid words. At (and before) 6, I was extremely inquisitive and intelligent. I loved science books. Knew about the big bang and all that jazz. When they tried to get into my head the whole religious concept, i rejected it. I had to go along with it, though, for all my life. Luckily, my parents didn't take me to church often enough for me to start a real, deep faith.

As for recently, about a month ago, I started reading atheist articles. It shocked me a bit at first, because even 8 years of loose brainwashing is still brainwash, but I developed a tolerance. After reading what was totally, locically rrational, reasonable, and feasible about atheism, I self-proclaimed my switch. (keyword:self. my parents dont know, and i'll let my grandparents be happy before they die.)

Went to my statewide Archdiocese Catholic Youth Conference over the weekend. i realized even further that these christians are all a bunch of religious fanatics willing to stake their lives and freedom on this unreasonable set of beliefs. Although inspirational talks made some headway into converting me back, post-analysis of what the talkers said makes me think that it's just the emotion behind it that hooks people.

Anyways, I'm atheist, and proud of my search of truth.

No. The 10 commandments say not to kill.


If you'd like to get technical, the 10 commandments most thourough translation would not include killing, only murder. Thou shalt not murder. Killing is at times justified, and repeatedly specifically ordered in the Bible.

but that was written whoknows how long ago by men,not god (while it is gods words, no one can deny that it was actually men who did the writing). And men a couple of thousands of years ago, still mixed their understandings/upbringing with faith.

Haha yah, I always found it funny how the authority given to the Catholics (the whole upon your rock i build my chuch thing) was written by... the Catholics.

Yes you did, would you like me to explain it?
He said Lesbians are just as evil as gays. You said what a dick thing to say. By saying that, you are saying that gays are evil. If you were saying that gays weren't evil, then being just as evil as gays wouldn't be a bad thing. Anyway it doesn't matter because lesbians are in fact gay.

You know what the fuck I meant you nit picker.

You know what the fuck I meant you nit picker.
Well of course I did, that doesn't mean its not still fun to piss other people off :) .

Haha yah, I always found it funny how the authority given to the Catholics (the whole upon your rock i build my chuch thing) was written by... the Catholics.

Well, I suppose from the Catholic POV, the men were not simply 'men' while in the act of writing it, but acting on the divine spirit of God, and so were not able to confuse anything.

Doesn't matter to me either way, as I don't believe in God. *runs off before someone who does smacks me*

I'm 14. Baptised catholic. Had no friggen idea what was goin on in church until I was 6 and they explained the whole god/jesus thing to me in kid words. At (and before) 6, I was extremely inquisitive and intelligent. I loved science books. Knew about the big bang and all that jazz. When they tried to get into my head the whole religious concept, i rejected it. I had to go along with it, though, for all my life. Luckily, my parents didn't take me to church often enough for me to start a real, deep faith.

As for recently, about a month ago, I started reading atheist articles. It shocked me a bit at first, because even 8 years of loose brainwashing is still brainwash, but I developed a tolerance. After reading what was totally, locically rrational, reasonable, and feasible about atheism, I self-proclaimed my switch. (keyword:self. my parents dont know, and i'll let my grandparents be happy before they die.)

Went to my statewide Archdiocese Catholic Youth Conference over the weekend. i realized even further that these christians are all a bunch of religious fanatics willing to stake their lives and freedom on this unreasonable set of beliefs. Although inspirational talks made some headway into converting me back, post-analysis of what the talkers said makes me think that it's just the emotion behind it that hooks people.

Anyways, I'm atheist, and proud of my search of truth.

That's the problem with most catholics that I find. They have no deep relationship with God. They merely accept that they are connected to God and move on. You must search for God, and search for ways to solidify your relationship with him. Christianity isn't "unreasonable". Look at all the great things Christ taught. Love of your fellow man. Peace. Acceptance. Helping the downtrodden. I don't find this "unreasonable". Some of the things Catholocism teaches IS a bit unreasonable and makes Christianity look bad. However, if God doesn't work for you, then so be it. You've got every right to believe what you want.

I am an atheist so i dont give a shit about how the hypocritical meanies are telling everything about what is "moral" and what isnt. As far as I am concerned, there is way too much corruption in the Church to bother with how homosexuals are "sinful" and will go to hell. So go to hell Chuch. :D

I'm 14. Baptised catholic. Had no friggen idea what was goin on in church until I was 6 and they explained the whole god/jesus thing to me in kid words. At (and before) 6, I was extremely inquisitive and intelligent. I loved science books. Knew about the big bang and all that jazz. When they tried to get into my head the whole religious concept, i rejected it. I had to go along with it, though, for all my life. Luckily, my parents didn't take me to church often enough for me to start a real, deep faith.

As for recently, about a month ago, I started reading atheist articles. It shocked me a bit at first, because even 8 years of loose brainwashing is still brainwash, but I developed a tolerance. After reading what was totally, locically rrational, reasonable, and feasible about atheism, I self-proclaimed my switch. (keyword:self. my parents dont know, and i'll let my grandparents be happy before they die.)
Brainwashed by atheists..


Went to my statewide Archdiocese Catholic Youth Conference over the weekend. i realized even further that these christians are all a bunch of religious fanatics willing to stake their lives and freedom on this unreasonable set of beliefs. Although inspirational talks made some headway into converting me back, post-analysis of what the talkers said makes me think that it's just the emotion behind it that hooks people.


Just the name sends chills... I cannot imagine the horrors...

Well, I suppose from the Catholic POV, the men were not simply 'men' while in the act of writing it, but acting on the divine spirit of God, and so were not able to confuse anything.

Doesn't matter to me either way, as I don't believe in God. *runs off before someone who does smacks me*
But for that to be true, then we have to trust that the writers are telling the truth. Interesting paradox...

That's the problem with most catholics that I find. They have no deep relationship with God. They merely accept that they are connected to God and move on. You must search for God, and search for ways to solidify your relationship with him. Christianity isn't "unreasonable". Look at all the great things Christ taught. Love of your fellow man. Peace. Acceptance. Helping the downtrodden. I don't find this "unreasonable". Some of the things Catholocism teaches IS a bit unreasonable and makes Christianity look bad. However, if God doesn't work for you, then so be it. You've got every right to believe what you want.

Although I don't believe in most of christianity's beliefs, especially the miracle-based ones, I strive to be the best, nicest person I can be very ofen, and I kow that most of Christ's teachings could greatly improve the world. I don't think that Christ wanted people to assosciate his teachings with all of the other religious stuff.

I hear what you're saying, though.

I am an atheist so i dont give a shit about how the hypocritical meanies are telling everything about what is "moral" and what isnt. As far as I am concerned, there is way too much corruption in the Church to bother with how homosexuals are "sinful" and will go to hell. So go to hell Chuch. :D

See, this is not the way to establish good relations with those whose opinions differ drastically from yours.

But for that to be true, then we have to trust that the writers are telling the truth. Interesting paradox...

I guess so, in which case it goes back to faith in God exists, therefore faith that he put his divine power over the writers, therefore the Bible is true...or something alonge those lines. *cries* I don't know! Ask a Catholic!

[runs a third time away from this thread; this time, I really mean it]

Although I don't believe in most of christianity's beliefs, especially the miracle-based ones, I strive to be the best, nicest person I can be very ofen, and I kow that most of Christ's teachings could greatly improve the world. I don't think that Christ wanted people to assosciate his teachings with all of the other religious stuff.

I hear what you're saying, though.

If that's what you strive for, I applaud you. Although it's only God that can judge, I don't think he'd let good people like yourself go to hell.

Whats a good relationship again? O ya, a converted one. and i think thats its interesting that this thread has become a "less than pure" thread because of all the "sinners". HELL HERE I COME!!!

One cannot be a good person unless he has faith in Christ.

One cannot be a good person unless he has faith in Christ.

That's not true. A faith in Christ helps you become a better person, but there are still good people who don't believe in Christianity.

So all the preists skrewing the alter boys were still good, because they had faith in Christ? And the Spanish Inquisition? And the South in the American Civil war, fighting for the right to have slaves? I have many more examples.

One cannot be a good person unless he has faith in Christ.

There are many bad people with faith in Christ.

It's easier to disown them versus saying there are bad Catholics.

Anybody ever read Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God (http://www.jonathanedwards.com/sermons/Warnings/sinners.htm) by Jonathan Edwards?


Oh wait, regardless of his intolerance to those who didn't accept Christ he was a Protestant, so Servus Dei will automatically disregard him . . .

Sorry, im just being the "devil's advocate"

So all the preists skrewing the alter boys were still good, because they had faith in Christ? And the Spanish Inquisition? And the South in the American Civil war, fighting for the right to have slaves? I have many more examples.

Actually, they fought for the states' rights, not slavery. Although slavery was an issue, it wasn't until the end that it was thrown in, which was basically to win the war. (I'm not saying slavery is okay).

One cannot be a good person unless he has faith in Christ.
Then you obviously have listened to Christ teachings. I believe there is a passage that says if you deny me [Jesus] you will be forgiven, but those who deny the father will have no salvation. Guess ya don't need Christ after all, ya silly fanatic.

I apreciate your correction Haloman, but my point still stands(is this making a good relationship?)

Arragoth: technically Jesus Christ was the human reincarnation of the Lord god.

As a point of interest: doesnt Servus Dei mean servant of God in Latin?

I apreciate your correction Haloman, but my point still stands(is this making a good relationship?)

It does. Christ wasn't in favor of any of those things. Those events were the dark areas of the religion. Look toawrds the good things of the religion, like what Christ taught.

Yep, and Defensor Fidei means defender of the faith

Arragoth: technically Jesus Christ was the human reincarnation of the Lord god.
The line was somewhere in the bible (not the exact phrasing), but I can't find it (huge bloody book ya know?).
But my point still stands anyway. If you believe in Jesus, then you believe he is the reincarnation of the lord. If you don't believe in Jesus, then you can still believe in God, since to you Jesus would just be some historical figure. Pretty much what he was saying (or most likely the people that wrote it were saying) is that you don't have to believe in the trinity, faith in God is enough.

As a point of interest: doesnt Servus Dei mean servant of God in Latin?
Are you sure? I was pretty sure it meant fanatical lunatic... :)

My idea is that Christ had many good thoughts, could have possibly been "enlightened", and was a very interesting person, but I dont think it should be a "religion", more of a way of life. Like Confucious.

I must say, banter such as this is what caused me to leave the Christian church. And I must say, besides very small and minute differences in doctrines, Protestants, Lutherans, Catholics, Baptists, and even Episcipalians are all Christians. I'll stick to being a spiritualist and stay away from the corrupt form of organized religion. And for the record, neither gay men or women are evil, the God that persecutes them for their love...and the church that supports him in it, that's where the evil lies.

My idea is that Christ had many good thoughts, could have possibly been "enlightened", and was a very interesting person, but I dont think it should be a "religion", more of a way of life. Like Confucious.

He was the son of God. Don't you think that someone wouldn't say something like that unless they really believed it, or if they weren't?

He was the son of God. Don't you think that someone wouldn't say something like that unless they really believed it, or if they weren't?
I am the son of God.
I obviously am, because why would I say something like that unless I really believed it?

I am the son of God.
I obviously am, because why would I say something like that unless I really believed it?

Read the Case For Christ by Lee Strobel. Strobel was an atheist journalist who was a on a mission to prove Christianity false and ended up believing. It's a good read.

Read the Case For Christ by Lee Strobel. Strobel was an atheist journalist who was a on a mission to prove Christianity false and ended up believing. It's a good read.

Case for a Creator
Case for Easter

Those are both really good as well :)

I am God. Hi sonny.

^^^^^^^
Hi dad!
Read the Case For Christ by Lee Strobel. Strobel was an atheist journalist who was a on a mission to prove Christianity false and ended up believing. It's a good read.
Why would I need to do such a thing? I told you I am the son of God. Why would I say I was the son of God, if I wasn't?

^^^^^^^
Hi dad!

Why would I need to do such a thing? I told you I am the son of God. Why would I say I was the son of God, if I wasn't?

Ugh....

*slaps self*

Just read it. It will explain it.

does the bible tell us to hate jews or gays more?

Ugh....

*slaps self*

Just read it. It will explain it.
I find your lack of faith disturbing.

One cannot be a good person unless he has faith in Christ.


Completely completely completely NOT TRUE. And I went to Catholic school for 9 years and am very strong in my beliefs.

does the bible tell us to hate jews or gays more?
I'm pretty sure it says to hate John Kerry more :)

does the bible tell us to hate jews or gays more?
Neither, it tells us to hate those dirty communists.
Or something like that, I think.
:p

Arragoth: technically Jesus Christ was the human reincarnation of the Lord god.


Uh, no, he wasnt!

I find your lack of faith disturbing.

I will do thy bidding, my master.

I will do thy bidding, my master.
Now we're talking. Go out and buy your Lord some booze.

Now we're talking. Go out and buy your Lord some booze.

Sure, if you share.

Sure, if you share.
The son of God doesn't share. I don't have to tell you why, just have faith in me.

My problem with a thread like this is that it takes away a major chunk of what makes the catholic sect of christianity incomplete. When people start talking about abortion, sexual preference and contraception people think that the catholic method of worship is all about a more strict set of rules.
Catholics worship God in different ways to protestant and the orthodox churches aswell as the smaller sects.
Yes I am Catholic, I don't believe it is a sin to love who you love as long as the love is true. Abortion and contraception are more delicate subjects but shouldn't be the be all and end all in the catholic faith. The only reason I have written this is that all catholics seem to want to do is put non catholics down and I believe this is wrong.

The son of God doesn't share. I don't have to tell you why, just have faith in me.

El wrongo. There's thousands upon thousands of verses that point out that Jesus does indeed share.

El wrongo. There's thousands upon thousands of verses that point out that Jesus does indeed share.
Did I ever say I was Jesus? No. I said I was the son of God. Don't question me.

My idea is that Christ had many good thoughts, could have possibly been "enlightened", and was a very interesting person, but I dont think it should be a "religion", more of a way of life. Like Confucious.

Amen, man! I was just about to say (before I saw this) that one should look to Jesus as a Buddhist would look to Buddha. As a person who is an excellent example of humanity that everyone should follow!

There should be a brand-new sect of christianity that only follows Christ's teachings as a life philosophy, ignoring the rest of the Bible.

Amen, man! I was just about to say (before I saw this) that one should look to Jesus as a Buddhist would look to Buddha. As a person who is an excellent example of humanity that everyone should follow!

There should be a brand-new sect of christianity that only follows Christ's teachings as a life philosophy, ignoring the rest of the Bible.
...no. Just no.

...no. Just no.
Well yay for trying to look at things from outside of a narrow limited worldview, huh?

No, you prove. NOW.

You are the one saying "God exists" you have to prove it.

Here's one. There is far too much suffering, death, and pain in this world for any benevolent creator to allow.

Not to contradict or anything Johnistan, but let me clear that up.

Jesus told the people of the world that as part of God's new plan to be

super nice is that he would not force his influence so much in the world.

(Cause no one wants to be like Noah or Job.). He said that in return for labor

and suffering in a world not so influenced by God that he would open up the

gates to his kingdom and allow our eternal souls inside. So basically there is

so much suffering because man wishes to have freewill. After that you

simply must be virtuous and industrious, and accept the lord Jesus to be your

savior. Pardon me while I enter a quick tangent (very sorry). Commando2

and his brood are condemning Homosexuals and Transexuals and what have

you. Well know what? Jesus' best friends were tax collectors, prostitutes,

and various other jobs considered immoral or condemnable. He wanted to

show that all people were equal and deserved the love of God and ours as

well. You say Paul condemned homosexuality, well pardon me if I sound

heretical, but Paul could have just thought the voices in his head were other

people. God said Jesus was the last prophet, anything anyone else said or

wrote should be taken with a grain of salt 'cause know what? God aint

sending anyone else so if we Catholics burned Joan of Arc at the stake and

said she was a heretic well then bring on BBQ'ed St. Paul. Oh and by the

way, you're not quoting actual passages, if you gave two bits about

converting "heretics" you'd go that extra mile because GOD COMMANDS US

ALL TO WORK AS HARD AS POSSIBLE FOR THE CHURCH. If you can't pick up

the bible and cite it then you don't deserve to be a voice of the Church of

Rome. Tangent over, see you all in a page or two.

does the bible tell us to hate jews or gays more?
gay's duh

Amen, man! I was just about to say (before I saw this) that one should look to Jesus as a Buddhist would look to Buddha. As a person who is an excellent example of humanity that everyone should follow!

There should be a brand-new sect of christianity that only follows Christ's teachings as a life philosophy, ignoring the rest of the Bible.
You mean like Ammon Hennacy?

http://www.catholicworker.com/ah_anar.htm

gay's duh
Hmm, but somebody said "Love thy neighbor as thyself."
That's clearly a call for mutual masturbation!
:D

Well yay for trying to look at things from outside of a narrow limited worldview, huh?

Your sooooo naive. Asking a Christian to be empathic, I mean honestly.

Hmm, but somebody said "Love thy neighbor as thyself."
That's clearly a call for mutual masturbation!
:D
I see the light!

Hmm, but somebody said "Love thy neighbor as thyself."
That's clearly a call for mutual masturbation!
:D
No, that's the cause of teenage pregnancy and HIV :eek:

I've been interested in swapping notes with a Catholic for a while. I think I can safely say that most Christians would consider my religious beliefs heretical in the extreme. That said, tell me why I'm wrong.

I don't believe in good or evil, objectively: they're nothing more than reflections of each other. I don't think evil is wrong any more than I think good is wrong, and vice versa. I don't think any person has an inherent right to anything, including life, liberty, or the pursuit of happiness. You have only what privileges others have granted you, by good will or by force. I don't think the attack three and a half years ago was wrong, and neither is the invasion of Iraq. Violence happens, and moreover it's natural for a man to strike his neighbor. I know that as a species, we're fucked, in the grand scheme of things. We won't survive our successors. Any sufficiently firmly held belief is indistiguishable from objective truth.

Why should we burden ourselves with petty judgemental behavior? Fear of Hell? Why should I fear Hell, or desire Heaven? One necessitates the other. Some of us desire only oblivion at the end. Why should I fear that?

Are you guys still feeding that crazy Catholic kid? :confused:

Yes. He is soo hungry though, look at him. I don't want anyone to go hungry, after all I am god.

Hammopolis, We need to have a little talk about sharing.

Anyone else find it ironic that a semi-atheist's moniker is Holy sheep?

Yes. He is soo hungry though, look at him. I don't want anyone to go hungry, after all I am god.

Hammopolis, We need to have a little talk about sharing.

Anyone else find it ironic that a semi-atheist's moniker is Holy sheep?
Daaaaaaaaaad
God, you're always doing this to me! Your not the boss of me, I hate you!

No, that's the cause of teenage pregnancy and HIV :eek:
from masturbation :confused:

from masturbation :confused:
Yup.
It's only obvious!
:D

Hey Commando, do you know of any good Catholics? As there doesnt seem to be any in this thread.

Hey Commando, do you know of any good Catholics? As there doesnt seem to be any in this thread.
I'm a good Catholic :D

I'm a good Catholic :D
Its a bird, its a plane, its.... a pig :D

Hey Commando, do you know of any good Catholics? As there doesnt seem to be any in this thread.

I'm a good Catholic. Which is why I refuse to allow myself to be associated with that abomination of a Catholic, Commando.

I dont mean anything but ummmmmmmm, Screw Cathotalism? Out of all my years and out of all the years i've studied, religion keeps on contradicting itself, They say that Gays and sinnerswill burn in hell, while Jesus and god are both forgiving men? The church is just a really effective way of controling the public, and the funiest part is that is rules through fear. Eather if you believe in the old testament, or the new one, youll just notice that catholic is just a religion of nonstop contradicting. After seing that I just gave up on god, so if there is one up there im going straight to hell

I have a lesbian friend who really loves her girl-friend with her whole heart and would die for her.
Will she go to hell?
No, homosexuality is not a sin. Anal and oral sex are sins however. If she is a Catholic, attends Mass twice yearly, receives the Eucharist and pratices confession and penence she will not go to hell.*



*No I am not saying non-Catholics go to Hell, but it takes to long to explain the entire list of who qualifies.

I'm a good Catholic. Which is why I refuse to allow myself to be associated with that abomination of a Catholic, Commando.
Wow a Catholic who still has my respect, who woulda thought.

Wow a Catholic who still has my respect, who woulda thought.

Probably because I shut the hell up about it and don't proselytize.

Hey when you guys do something like pass a test or something, do you all say thank you god? I know I dont, I studied my ass off and sadly enough nobody helped me out pass that experience

Listen to a Catholic, not a Heretic
I don't Wanna, I had to for 10 years in a Catholic school.

That's also the reason I'm not a Catholic for that matter....

I dont mean anything but ummmmmmmm, Screw Cathotalism? Out of all my years and out of all the years i've studied, religion keeps on contradicting itself, They say that Gays and sinnerswill burn in hell, while Jesus and god are both forgiving men? The church is just a really effective way of controling the public, and the funiest part is that is rules through fear. Eather if you believe in the old testament, or the new one, youll just notice that catholic is just a religion of nonstop contradicting. After seing that I just gave up on god, so if there is one up there im going straight to hell
Yeah, down with Cathotalism! Never did like Cathotalics... Catholics on the other hand, yes we are hypocrits. But who isn't?

However you seem to be vastly confused on matters of doctrine for a man(or woman) who claims to have studied religion. Allow me to educate you.

1) Homosexuals may or may not burn in Hell, just as you and I may or may not. This is because homosexuality is not a sin. Anal and oral sex is however a sin. Whether gay or straight.

2) God was not a man. Jesus the Son of God was born in mortal form.

3) There is no record of God being forgiving. Jesus on the other hand was.

4) Jesus tries to save those he can from damnation, but ultimately leave the choice to us. Think of God as a parent, live by their rules or get out of their house.

5) Do you fear the Catholic Church? Clearly not!

6) Catholics follow all the teachings of God from the Old Testament through to the Second Vatican Council. Due to the changing nature of man the Pope holds the authority to ensure that doctrine remains in check with God's Will.

7) It is a shame that poor logic and terrible grammar are not sins...*


*Note: I am aware my spelling and grammar aren't perfect, but come on man. Some of your sentences are barely coherent.

I was never too good at writing, I mean give me a break im 16 years old. But yeah at least let me try to answer back.

1. I had no idea about that, and im preety sure being a homosexual is a sin, because I have talked to priests and stuff and well they say its a sin.

2. Does it even make a difference? Their both suposed to be fatherly figures that forgive everybody under their wings. Its better to think of them as sheephearders and were the sheep, when we get lost their suposed to find us right? Cept some of us get capture by the wolf(Satan)

3. I guess your right on that one but I seriusly dont consider the bible as a historical document, but thats just the way I am.

4. If hese such a forgiving figure then why dosent he just forgive everybody?

5. Hells no I do not fear the church, but thats me. Most fanatics go nuts and have a nerveus breakdown if they even sin once, religion is through fear, Do this our way or you will live in damnation, you telling me thats not fear?

6. Oh the old testament......... Right so how many people do you want to whip to death then? They obviosly do not follow the old testament, because in the old testament God was a godamn devil that would whip you for no reason.

7. Theres no reason for you to make fun of my writing skills, cause frankly just cause you know how to write dosent make you any better than me. And dont make fun of my logic, cause its freaking sad that somebody like you could be controled by a group of men that rape little boys........

Probably because I shut the hell up about it and don't proselytize.
Could be it, no one likes to be told what to believe.

Could be it, no one likes to be told what to believe.

It's that whole "Do unto others" thing that we hear so much about. I sure as hell don't want anyone else telling me what to believe, so I do my best to not talk about my own beliefs. Although I will admit a little guilty pleasure in getting hardcore Christians riled up. I like trying to get them to admit that their faith is nothing but faith, and not fact like they want to believe.

She doesn't believe in the existence of Satan and she doesn't praise him.

Paraphrasing: Never forget, the Devil's best weapon is to convinve you that he does not exist.- Charles Baudaliere, Decadent French Poet

ok i have a question

If the christian god has a plan for everyone that is set in stone and burns some people in hell for following his plan doesn't that make him a pretty sick guy?

It's that whole "Do unto others" thing that we hear so much about. I sure as hell don't want anyone else telling me what to believe, so I do my best to not talk about my own beliefs. Although I will admit a little guilty pleasure in getting hardcore Christians riled up. I like trying to get them to admit that their faith is nothing but faith, and not fact like they want to believe.
I'll agree to that

I normally dont mess with religion, its up to your choice and your beliefs. It just really pisses me off if somebody tries to convert me or something, then I just start bitching...............

The only thing she does is loving her girl-friend. You want to tell me that you can work for Satan by being in love with someone else?

I think its a misappropriation feelings. I love my mom, with all my heart, but that doesn't mean that I want to get sexual with her (unless you buy into Freud). I think homosexuality is an attempt at killing two birds with one stone. Trying satisfy the need for same-gender friendship and sex, all with one person.

Oh and Commando2, "judge not, lest ye be judged." Most people sin all their life, doesn't necessarily mean they're gonna fry. However, I believe that constant sin without, trying to change ones actions does damage ones realtionship with the Lord IMO.

On the athiesm bit, if you go by the Bible, it does seem to suggest that atheism will land you in the fryer, however, I do not believe that anyone human can say that with authority because God judges, not humans. I think that you will do well to remember this Commando2.

Hey when you guys do something like pass a test or something, do you all say thank you god? I know I dont, I studied my ass off and sadly enough nobody helped me out pass that experience

Not trying to correct you, but from a christian standpoint, God gave you the ability to pass that test. I believe thats part of the logic behind it. Doesn't necessarily mean God twinkled his cosmic nose and gave you an A.

Yeah I know, But I just believe that if somebody suceeds in life its because of them and their decisions, not because of somebody who gave you the power to do those decisions.

But ya couldn't do it without the power to do so in the first place, see. Plus its still possible that God could have said "BAM!, A!" Just not too likely.

I don't Wanna, I had to for 10 years in a Catholic school.

That's also the reason I'm not a Catholic for that matter....

I honestly think Catholic schools turn people away from Catolocism instead of towards it. I know someone who hates Christianity just because he's only seen the blood n' guts side of it.

I think its the fact that they get rammed by it every day that gets them anoyed or tired. Same with school, barely any kids like school since they just get taught the same crap over and over.

Oh and that power to suceed, I think its given by your parents and your past generations, I mean they were the ones who gave you morals, brought you up, and gave forged your lifestyle to a point.

I think its the fact that they get rammed by it every day that gets them anoyed or tired. Same with school, barely any kids like school since they just get taught the same crap over and over.

Oh and that power to suceed, I think its given by your parents and your past generations, I mean they were the ones who gave you morals, brought you up, and gave forged your lifestyle to a point.

Good point, but I think God's not completely removed from the process. I think of it as the way the remnants of God acted in that one episode of Futurama. Basically, when God's helped the right amount people will barely be able to tell anything at all. God doesn't want us to be so dependant on him to the point that we don't do for ourselves. Basically, the classic "God helps those who help themselves."

I dont know I've never trusted religion too much anyway. I mean theres way too many man, buddhism, christian, catholic, muslim, jewish, santeria. I mean, how can you know which one is the "real" one. Either people just have to live their life even if they loose their faith, but yeah im tired so im off to bed. Later man

I dont know I've never trusted religion too much anyway. I mean theres way too many man, buddhism, christian, catholic, muslim, jewish, santeria. I mean, how can you know which one is the "real" one. Either people just have to live their life even if they loose their faith, but yeah im tired so im off to bed. Later man

See ya later, its been real. Wish I could snooze, but I got EE homework.

No, homosexuality is not a sin. Anal and oral sex are sins however. If she is a Catholic, attends Mass twice yearly, receives the Eucharist and pratices confession and penence she will not go to hell.*

What is more important before God? Following dogmas or acting like a good person?


Paraphrasing: Never forget, the Devil's best weapon is to convinve you that he does not exist.- Charles Baudaliere, Decadent French Poet
So every lutheran, atheist, buddhist etc. is a follower of Satan? That's too simplyfied.

think its a misappropriation feelings. I love my mom, with all my heart, but that doesn't mean that I want to get sexual with her (unless you buy into Freud). I think homosexuality is an attempt at killing two birds with one stone. Trying satisfy the need for same-gender friendship and sex, all with one person.
Even if that's the case, nobody gets harmed by the fact that homosexuals have such feelings. I love my girl-friend and my friend loves her girl-friend, I can hardly see any moral difference. So why outlaw homosexuals?

Good point, but I think God's not completely removed from the process. I think of it as the way the remnants of God acted in that one episode of Futurama. Basically, when God's helped the right amount people will barely be able to tell anything at all. God doesn't want us to be so dependant on him to the point that we don't do for ourselves. Basically, the classic "God helps those who help themselves."
But by that logic god helps everyone that helps themselves? Right? Because god helps those who help themselves

No offense, but I prefer to read the Bible for myself rather than accepting what someone else thinks it says/means.

Oh, don't worry, I recognize that people like Defensor are not representative of mainstream Catholocism and won't hold all Catholics in the same light I view his extremism.

But by that logic god helps everyone that helps themselves? Right? Because god helps those who help themselves

As long as you don't for get that "logic" is not the beginning or the end for that matter, of wisdom.

As long as you don't for get that "logic" is not the beginning or the end for that matter, of wisdom.
No but logic is a good way at reasoning out what is fact and what is fiction

But by that logic god helps everyone that helps themselves? Right? Because god helps those who help themselves

I could argue that one is not helping oneself by being unchristian, but I'm too tired to get into that mess.

I could argue that one is not helping oneself by being unchristian, but I'm too tired to get into that mess.
you could ... I was just making a logical extention

One cannot be a good person unless he has faith in Christ.

Luckily, there are few people who take your thoughts as authoritative.

Well Protestants (including Lutherans) are heretics, but if you deny Creation, then you too are a heretic.


So by your logic, the pope is technically a heretic.

Q: I have heard that the pope recently made a statement on evolution. Is that true?

A: Yes, Pope John Paul II made a speech to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences on October 23, 1996 in which he addressed the subject of evolution.

Q: What is the Pontifical Academy of Sciences?

A: It is an honor society made up of scientists who are appointed to membership by the pope. The Pontifical Academy of Sciences was organized (based on a previous group) in October 1936 by Pope Piux XI, and its purpose is to foster research in the sciences.

Q: Why did the pope choose to give a speech on this subject then?

A: Because the society was just meeting for its 60th anniversary (October 1936-October 1996) and the theme of this particular conference was evolution and the origin of life. Thus, the pope addressed them on the subject they were meeting to discuss.

Q: Is the text of the pope's address available on the Internet?

A: Yes, a translation of it is available here.

Q: What did the pope say about evolution?

A: Several things, however he was most widely reported by the English-language media as having said:

"Today, more than a half century after this encyclical [Pius XII's 1950 encyclical Humani generis], new knowledge leads us to recognize in the theory of evolution more than a hypothesis."

Oh oh oh, pick me, pick me! I've got a good question. I was a baptized convenented Christian until I took up my current belief system, a sort of eclectic paganism. Am I going to roast in hell?

Oh oh oh, pick me, pick me! I've got a good question. I was a baptized convenented Christian until I took up my current belief system, a sort of eclectic paganism. Am I going to roast in hell?

You have denied Christ and are now worshipping false Gods.

To keep in perspective, its equally as likely your god is false...My point is thus: in most christian churches the acceptance of Christ wipes away all sin and ensures a place in heaven...is that no longer the case? I have accepted him in the past...or is that wiped away at first disobedience?

Heres a couple for you:
Is Ghandi in hell?
If Hitler repented, confessed, and was baptized just before he died, would he be in heaven?

If Hitler had done this and repented truly, he would have been pardoned.

Gandhi said he was "a christian, a buddhist, a jew, a hindu, a muslim..." or something like that, so he's OK with me.

You have denied Christ and are now worshipping false Gods.
I don't think he denied Christ, I think he just went around him :) .

Heres a couple for you:
Is Ghandi in hell?
If Hitler repented, confessed, and was baptized just before he died, would he be in heaven?
According to christian doctrine, he would be, since you only have to believe in God(not Jesus) to go to heaven. Most religions have some supreme God that rules above the rest, and hindu is no exception. Brahma, being the creator, would be what we call God. So according to Christian doctrine, pretty much everyone except athiests go to heaven. As for Hitler, hell if I know.

*Pfft* Christians?! worship me and be saved...unless your gay....or fat...well just follow me, then we'll work out the rest later.