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In another thread some people said no one would vote for Hillary if she ran for President. Others said no female would vote for her while others said no Democrat would vote for her.

Let's see what the pople have to say.

Running against who, though?

Running against who, though?

Running against any Republican candidate.

Great Googly Moogly no.

Yes, but only if she kisses the requeset number of babies.

Hillary will never win the presidential election

Only if Satan himself were running against her. On the Libertarian ticket, of course.

I voted for no, because I would not, and could not, vote for her. What with being English, under 18, and extremely lazy.

Good to see the NS tradition of thoughtful, in-depth debate is alive and well. Have those of you who write one-sentence comments ever heard the question 'why'?

As for me, I'm firmly on the left side of the social and fiscal spectra, but I think Ms. Clinton would be ideal for bringing our national political dialog back to a slightly less inflamed status. She is as radically moderate as possible, it seems, and that is best for keeping the important legislative work where it belongs, with the states.

I voted for no, because I would not, and could not, vote for her. What with being English, under 18, and extremely lazy.

OK. We will send her over to run against Tony, get you a phony ID, and give you a ride to the pole in a limo. :D

She is as radically moderate as possible, it seems, and that is best for keeping the important legislative work where it belongs, with the states.

Let me see if I understand this correctly. You are a left wing liberal who believes in States Rights? How refreshing.

OK. We will send her over to run against Tony, get you a phony ID, and give you a ride to the pole in a limo. :D

See. That is why our system is superior. We don't vote for our leader. We vote for someone to run our little part of the country (in my case 2 towns and some villages). Then whichever party has the most areas, each area being represented by a seat in parliament, their leader becomes prime minister. Simple.

And if Tony was running for my constituency I would rather vote for the Monster raving loony party. I might do that anyway, election after next when I can vote. Led by a cat you know.

EDIT: I forgot to actually make my point. I would vote for her over Blair, assuming I was at the poll anyway.

I remember when Republicans were the staunch defenders of State Rights, when did that become a liberal idea? You know, being the average Americans goal for two hundred years or so, many how much can change in 2 generations.

Anyway if you wanted to see a female president there are unfortunately not very many qualified candidates. Clinton has primary & secondary knowledge of the job, the politics, Washington D.C. in general and Congress specifically.

So it’s either her, a candidate with fewer qualifications or another generation of waiting. Well if you wanted a female president that is.

I would. I agree with her positions on the issues that are important to me. And, as an added bonus, she REALLY pisses off republicans. God knows why, but she does... I'll bet it's because she actually speaks, and doesn't need cue cards. Or maybe it's the idea that she actually thinks, and is intelligent, which is obviously a threat to them. Either way, she'd get my vote

:)

Actually, things work the best here in the states when the parties CANNOT bring about their several agendas because no one is solidly in charge of the government.
The English parlimentary system assures that the Prime Minister will have a majority in the House of Commons
When we've got a congress from one party and a president from another, they can't screw me in the ways that they can when they don't have any real opposition.

ok, well... Hillary has not done anything to promote state's rights that i can remember. She's done little against it on the other hand (her call to abolish the electoral college, for example, but that was just being a party puppet).

i would not vote for her. it has nothing to do with her being a woman, but rather that i don't like anything that she's done
(to my knowledge at least. she's probably done things that i know nothing about.)

So it’s either her, a candidate with fewer qualifications or another generation of waiting. Well if you wanted a female president that is.

Would Condi Rice make a good female President?

Yes, and I'd be proud to have her be the first President I'd have voted for. Seeing as how I'll be a registered voter by Nov 2008.

Let me see if I understand this correctly. You are a left wing liberal who believes in States Rights? How refreshing.

Of course I believe in States' Rights. As a resident of Minnesota, my federal tax dollars are disproportionately going to states such as Alabama, which chooses not to tax its own people to build its infrastructure, but instead relies on mine, with the fed as intermediary. That's fine if Alabama doesn't want to generate revenue to create a state with a high quality of life like Minnesota's, but they're not going to use my money for it. I understand that may seem in opposition to my ideology, but in reality it's not because I harbor nothing against the people of Alabama. I'm all in favor of open borders so that Alabamans may come to Minnesota and pay Minnesotan tax rates to receive Minnesotan services. But I don't think that my money should go to the state of Alabama, a government in which I am not represented.

Depends who she was running against.

Of course, I am 1. A Republican and 2. Too young to vote, so I don't really matter, but if the guy she was running against was THAT BAD, I guess so.

I'd vote for her. It wouldn't matter, because the rest of Alabama's gonna be like: "No woman should be president! It's an abomination!" Grrr...

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Um... anyway... I'd vote for her, but I will be a month too young to vote in the next election. Bummer, huh?

I never meant to imply Ms. Clinton was inordinately in favor of States' Rights, because I never heard any evidence either way. I'm just saying that she is politically moderate, being slightly left-wing fiscally and slightly right-wing socially. With a moderate president, important issues are more likely to be left up to individual states. In contrast, with our radically right-wing president, important issues are being decided at the federal level. A moderate president like Ms. Clinton is needed to reduce the overheated rhetoric that is prevalent in this country.

i doubt id vote for her in the primaries but it would take an extraordinary republican candidate for me to vote for anyone other than the democratic nominee

Would Condi Rice make a good female President?
dr rice is a very accomplished woman who may well make an excellent secretary of state
but does she have the personality required to become president? i doubt it. but i wouldnt mind seeing her give it a try.

Good to see the NS tradition of thoughtful, in-depth debate is alive and well. Have those of you who write one-sentence comments ever heard the question 'why'?

As for me, I'm firmly on the left side of the social and fiscal spectra, but I think Ms. Clinton would be ideal for bringing our national political dialog back to a slightly less inflamed status. She is as radically moderate as possible, it seems, and that is best for keeping the important legislative work where it belongs, with the states.
She is radically moderate? That is by definition an oxymoron. To even consider the author of Clinton's failed federal health insurance moderate would not lend credibility to any opinion. It most certainly would not be thoughtful or in-depth.

Would Condi Rice make a good female President?

I think she would!

Of course I believe in States' Rights. As a resident of Minnesota, my federal tax dollars are disproportionately going to states such as Alabama, which chooses not to tax its own people to build its infrastructure, but instead relies on mine, with the fed as intermediary. That's fine if Alabama doesn't want to generate revenue to create a state with a high quality of life like Minnesota's, but they're not going to use my money for it. I understand that may seem in opposition to my ideology, but in reality it's not because I harbor nothing against the people of Alabama. I'm all in favor of open borders so that Alabamans may come to Minnesota and pay Minnesotan tax rates to receive Minnesotan services. But I don't think that my money should go to the state of Alabama, a government in which I am not represented.
You are well on your way to becoming a conservative. You've already seen the waste and unfairness in the system. Soon you'll figure out that expanding the role of federal government is the problem, not the solution.

But I don't think that my money should go to the state of Alabama, a government in which I am not represented.

So, you would be in favor of doing away with highway programs, welfare, medicade, and other social programs at the federal level and leaving these programs to the states? I've never seen a liberal who advocates this, as this has traditionally been a Republican philosophy. That's why I was surprised when you said you are a liberal who believes in States Rights. Maybe there is hope for us yet

no, cause i don't agree with her political views

i doubt id vote for her in the primaries but it would take an extraordinary republican candidate for me to vote for anyone other than the democratic nominee

Is that because you and she are both women or would you vote for anyone who is a Democrat but never for any other party?

I get to vote in 2008, so if she makes it, yes. She seems pretty moderate, but my knowledge is limited.

This will be my second election. Though I have posted once already, I wouldn't trust another Clinton in the White House. Just like I won't support Jeb Bush if he chose to run for the office due to the fact that it would be like establishing a dynasty

Clinton is NOWHERE NEAR moderate! She's about the furthest left person in the government!

I'd vote for her, yes -- my vote would come in the shape of a Remmington 700 round to the head for the good of the Greatest Nation on God's Green Earth.

Of course I believe in States' Rights. As a resident of Minnesota, my federal tax dollars are disproportionately going to states such as Alabama, which chooses not to tax its own people to build its infrastructure, but instead relies on mine, with the fed as intermediary. That's fine if Alabama doesn't want to generate revenue to create a state with a high quality of life like Minnesota's, but they're not going to use my money for it. I understand that may seem in opposition to my ideology, but in reality it's not because I harbor nothing against the people of Alabama. I'm all in favor of open borders so that Alabamans may come to Minnesota and pay Minnesotan tax rates to receive Minnesotan services. But I don't think that my money should go to the state of Alabama, a government in which I am not represented.

People in AL still have to pay federal taxes. All those working receive a W-2 and have to send it into the IRS

Clinton is NOWHERE NEAR moderate! She's about the furthest left person in the government!

I'd vote for her, yes -- my vote would come in the shape of a Remmington 700 round to the head for the good of the Greatest Nation on God's Green Earth.

Aw, C'mon. Why have that little class? Acting like a jerk only gets you into trouble.

Not only "no," but HELL no!

I wouldn't vote for her, i'm Canadian.

I wouldn't vote for her, i'm Canadian.

Maybe there is hope for Canada yet!

to the ppl who said no, is it because of policy or the fact that shes a woman?

to the ppl who said no, is it because of policy or the fact that shes a woman?

Policy!

I know, but a lot of people might say that it is a gender issue.

to the ppl who said no, is it because of policy or the fact that shes a woman?

Unfortunately, you probably won't get many truthful responses to that question. Though it would be interesting to honestly find out...

to the ppl who said no, is it because of policy or the fact that shes a woman?

Policy.

She'd start a crack-down on all non-democrats.

Also, do you people who voted for her think she'd be less agressive? PUH-LEASE! She'd be tough, REAL tough, because she was the first woman. She'd show that she wouldn't be a push-over, and that she'd take action if she needed to.

If she became president, I see an invasion of Iran or North Korea in our future...

This is only my opinion and perception, I realize, but if a woman were to run for president I would much prefer it to be Diane Feinstein, who actually HAS some principles, as opposed to Hillary Clinton, who, again in my opinion, wouldn't know a principle is it was stareing her in the face. The idea of Ms Clinton heading the ticket for my party of choice frightens me.

Only if Satan himself were running against her. On the Libertarian ticket, of course.
Agreed.

Not a gender issue at all to me. I would love to see a woman be president; just not Hillary. I would rather drink molten lead than vote for anyone whose last name is Clinton. (or Bush for that matter)

to the ppl who said no, is it because of policy or the fact that shes a woman?
Definately policy, I'm a woman, so I have no problem with women being in power.

I wouldn't vote for her in primaries (regardless of actual policy, she'd be difficult to elect in this country on public perception alone). But if it came down to the general election between her and essentially any republican (especially given that the most likely candidates for 08 are people like Jeb Bush, Frist, DeLay, and the other crazies), she would have my vote.

Would Condi Rice make a good female President?
Is the Pope Catholic?

Unfortunately, you probably won't get many truthful responses to that question. Though it would be interesting to honestly find out...

Ok so are you or Holy Sheep going to start the thread?

I get to vote in 2008, so if she makes it, yes. She seems pretty moderate, but my knowledge is limited.
She has an F- from the Gun Owners of America, an '11' lifetime rating from the American Conservative Union, a F from the National Taxpayers Union, and a '0' from the National Right to Life Council.

If she's a moderate, I'm a Tibetan monk.

Only if Satan himself were running against her. On the Libertarian ticket, of course.

Why would Hillary run against herself?

I remember when Republicans were the staunch defenders of State Rights, when did that become a liberal idea? You know, being the average Americans goal for two hundred years or so, many how much can change in 2 generations.

Anyway if you wanted to see a female president there are unfortunately not very many qualified candidates. Clinton has primary & secondary knowledge of the job, the politics, Washington D.C. in general and Congress specifically.

So it’s either her, a candidate with fewer qualifications or another generation of waiting. Well if you wanted a female president that is.
Hey, hey, hey, wait just one second! What about Condi Rice?

Aw, C'mon. Why have that little class? Acting like a jerk only gets you into trouble.

I'm not acting like a jerk, I'm just stating my opinion, whether you like it or not.

to the ppl who said no, is it because of policy or the fact that shes a woman?

i'll be able to vote in the next election and even though i'm female i would not vote for her because she is both female and for her policies. i actually don't think a woman should be president. that might sound completley backwards but i think we would screw it up.

Hey, hey, hey, wait just one second! What about Condi Rice?

Nope, sorry, she's right wing of Ted Kennedy, she's too radical for the lefties.

Well, so what? Dubya was too right wing for the lefties, and he won!

Well, so what? Dubya was too right wing for the lefties, and he won!

I meant to be brought up in a positive fashion by the lefties. :)

For some odd reason, I don't think the next election will be as big as our last.

I look forward to voting for Rice someday.

Well, the hating America is a pre requisite for the lefties to like anyone, so its hard to find anyone that they would like.

For some odd reason, I don't think the next election will be as big as our last.
Well, whether you like him or not, you have to admit that ol' Dubya does inspire passionate debate.

Well, the hating America is a pre requisite for the lefties to like anyone, so its hard to find anyone that they would like.

Yes, true, true.

Well, whether you like him or not, you have to admit that ol' Dubya does inspire passionate debate.

HA!

Indeed. He makes people think*.



*NOTE: "Think" in this case means resort to antiamerican propoganda spewed by Hellishworld and the media.

HA!

Indeed. He makes people think*.



*NOTE: "Think" in this case means resort to antiamerican propoganda spewed by Hellishworld and the media.
Well they "think", meaning they use their brains, but obviously, their thinking devices are severely disfunctional.

Well they "think", meaning they use their brains, but obviously, their thinking devices are severely disfunctional.

Indeed. Granted, I should say, there's ton's of righties out there who fell to rightwing propoganda, don't get me wrong.

i'll be able to vote in the next election and even though i'm female i would not vote for her because she is both female and for her policies. i actually don't think a woman should be president. that might sound completley backwards but i think we would screw it up.

I'm male. Look at how many female heads of state have done a great job and didn't "screw it up." Thatcher and Gandhi come to mind, but I know there have been others. (I'm sure some of the Brits will disagree with Thatcher not screwing it up, but that's their political prospective.)

For some odd reason, I don't think the next election will be as big as our last.

As big how? In voter turn out, money spent, mud slinging, or all of the above?

I'm male. Look at how many female heads of state have done a great job and didn't "screw it up." Thatcher and Gandhi come to mind, but I know there have been others. (I'm sure some of the Brits will disagree with Thatcher not screwing it up, but that's their political prospective.)
Don't forget Golda Meir, the original 'Iron Lady.'

"We can forgive you for killing our sons. But we will never forgive you for making us kill yours."

Nope. I wouldn't vote for Hillary.

i'll be able to vote in the next election and even though i'm female i would not vote for her because she is both female and for her policies. i actually don't think a woman should be president. that might sound completley backwards but i think we would screw it up.

OMG! See, this is how women screw themselves over and we haven't had a female president yet! Why do you think a woman is any less capable than a man, hon? Please tell me where you got this idea. I hear this all the time from women and I don't know how these thoughts got into their heads!

As for me, I'm firmly on the left side of the social and fiscal spectra, but I think Ms. Clinton would be ideal for bringing our national political dialog back to a slightly less inflamed status.


the very reason i wouldn't vote for her is because she truly would try to be "Ideal". she would be unrealistic, counterproductive, and overall just a hassal because she's female.

most conservative men wouldn't vote for her because they would fear for security. conservative women wouldn't vote for her because their husbands didn't. liberal men wouldn't vote for her because they're afraid of her. and liberal women wouldn't vote for her because all women subconsciously hate each other, and can't allow another female to get a step ahead of them.

and she must really suck as a wife, since bill had to cheat on her

hilary=worst candidate since Satan himself ran in '76.

~mr popular

conservative women wouldn't vote for her because their husbands didn't.
Are you actually suggesting conservative women cannot think or act for themselves? Do you really believe they blindly follow their husbands?:headbang:

She has an F- from the Gun Owners of America, an '11' lifetime rating from the American Conservative Union, a F from the National Taxpayers Union, and a '0' from the National Right to Life Council.


Well shoot those are great endorsements!

I'm male. Look at how many female heads of state have done a great job and didn't "screw it up." Thatcher and Gandhi come to mind, but I know there have been others. (I'm sure some of the Brits will disagree with Thatcher not screwing it up, but that's their political prospective.)

Isn't New Zealand run by a female? (i'd heard that many of the reps in New Zealand were women OR that a woman was the head of state/gov't... one of the two. hehe)

Soon you'll figure out that expanding the role of federal government is the problem, not the solution.
Unless it's a matter of regulating the people's personal lives or their education, right? That's the Republican way!

Not only "no," but HELL no!
What? But she's not Kerry! ;)

Well, the hating America is a pre requisite for the lefties to like anyone, so its hard to find anyone that they would like.
Oh crap, the bullshit meter just crashed.

i'll be able to vote in the next election and even though i'm female i would not vote for her because she is both female and for her policies. i actually don't think a woman should be president. that might sound completley backwards but i think we would screw it up.
What? Could you explain this? What's so bad about women politicians?

Oh crap, the bullshit meter just crashed.


What? Could you explain this? What's so bad about women politicians?
I think her problem was self-hate and self-distrust. Since she couldn't lead she thinks all woman can't.

At least as Presidents woman shouldn't lead she says.

Only if Satan himself were running against her. On the Libertarian ticket, of course.Why would Hillary run against herself?

She has an F- from the Gun Owners of America, an '11' lifetime rating from the American Conservative Union, a F from the National Taxpayers Union, and a '0' from the National Right to Life Council.

If she's a moderate, I'm a Tibetan monk.

Nope, sorry, she's right wing of Ted Kennedy, she's too radical for the lefties.

I meant to be brought up in a positive fashion by the lefties. :)

Well, the hating America is a pre requisite for the lefties to like anyone, so its hard to find anyone that they would like.

HA!

Indeed. He makes people think*.



*NOTE: "Think" in this case means resort to antiamerican propoganda spewed by Hellishworld and the media.

Well they "think", meaning they use their brains, but obviously, their thinking devices are severely disfunctional.


I officially declare this thread that of conservative bs. Moving on.

NO! And if I had to choose between her and Bush. Than Go Greens it is! If the Democrats nominate her. Not only will they not get any of the Bush states but will lose states like Oregon, Washington, New Hampshire, Maryland, Pennsylvania and make Illinois a battleground.

Never in a million years.

I was gonna vote for her, then I learned she supports abo--err.... LOOK! A "DAY AFTER TOMORROW" SUPERSTORM!!!!
*runs away*

no i would not, and I would do everything physically possible to stop others from doing so

no i would not, and I would do everything physically possible to stop others from doing so
Care to tell us why?

D'OH! I meant to vote "No, male, other party." Instead, I voted "no, male, democrat"

D'OH! I meant to vote "No, male, other party." Instead, I voted "no, male, democrat"

Muahaha!

I voted Yes, I'm a Female Dem

Girl Power! More power to ye!

D'OH! I meant to vote "No, male, other party." Instead, I voted "no, male, democrat"
Freudian slip perhaps? ;)

Freudian slip perhaps? ;)
LOL, perhaps. :p

I would. I agree with her positions on the issues that are important to me. And, as an added bonus, she REALLY pisses off republicans. God knows why, but she does... I'll bet it's because she actually speaks, and doesn't need cue cards. Or maybe it's the idea that she actually thinks, and is intelligent, which is obviously a threat to them. Either way, she'd get my vote

:)
You are dumb. She is the worst person who could ever run for presidnt. If she wins, our health care would be in shambles. Sure, some people like "free" health care, but you are paying for it double in taxes, and you are placed on a waiting list to se a doctor. I'd rather pay the $20 to see my doctor.

Muahaha!

I voted Yes, I'm a Female Dem

Girl Power! More power to ye!
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Reminds me of a wierd french baker that's always staring at me when I pass by that bakery.

Glad to see, for once in an NS poll, a good result.

Reminds me of a wierd french baker that's always staring at me when I pass by that bakery.
I"m half-English, not half-French :p

You are dumb. She is the worst person who could ever run for presidnt. If she wins, our health care would be in shambles. Sure, some people like "free" health care, but you are paying for it double in taxes, and you are placed on a waiting list to se a doctor. I'd rather pay the $20 to see my doctor.
If you honestly think a bill like that could get through congress even if the democrats mircaulously take it back by then, then you've gone batty. There are certain radical ideas on every president's agenda that can't get past, and even though I didn't think she sponsored free health care (maybe a part of that federal health care offer the democrats were talking about?), she could never get it through even if she wanted to. But then again, the patriot act passed, so I guess that's proof enough that it's possible....

Edit: Oh and please, no name calling. Or at least, not something as deflated as "you are dumb."

I"m half-English, not half-French :p

I'm half-French, half-English. Born in England then moved to Quebec, Canada.

You are dumb. She is the worst person who could ever run for presidnt. If she wins, our health care would be in shambles. Sure, some people like "free" health care, but you are paying for it double in taxes, and you are placed on a waiting list to se a doctor. I'd rather pay the $20 to see my doctor.

No not at all.

The demand for medicine would drop by almost 1/2 as most Conservatives and or Christians heads would explode if she ran!

It would almost be worth it to hear the rage at knowing that Bill is once again in the White House! :D

I'm half-French, half-English. Born in England then moved to Quebec, Canada.
Oh. :headbang:

Hey, hey, hey, wait just one second! What about Condi Rice?

My mistake! You are absolutly right we have two former first ladies that can run. Wait how can Condi Rice be a first lady you ask? Remember this?

Rice, who is unmarried, was reportedly overheard saying, "As I was telling my husb—" before abruptly stopping herself. She continued: "As I was telling President Bush." :p

Well shoot those are great endorsements!
If you're running on the Communist Party ticket!

not unless the leader of the KKK ran against her.

the unbeatable republican ticket: Pres. Rudy Guiliani
VP: Colin Powell

shame neither will ever run

D'OH! I meant to vote "No, male, other party." Instead, I voted "no, male, democrat"

You are not having a sexual identy crisis, but a political identity crisis. Get help now! :D

the unbeatable republican ticket: Pres. Rudy Guiliani
VP: Colin Powell

shame neither will ever run

Don't bet they won't run. :)

not unless the leader of the KKK ran against her.

the unbeatable republican ticket: Pres. Rudy Guiliani
VP: Colin Powell

shame neither will ever run
I sure hope they won't!

I thought I was on the NS forum. Can't be with these results... Where am I??

I thought I was on the NS forum. Can't be with these results... Where am I??

On the NS Forums with people that actually have brains. I guess there is hope for this forum yet! LOL

On the NS Forums with people that actually have brains. I guess there is hope for this forum yet! LOL

I know I told you to be optimistic, but please be reasonable about it. :)

I know I told you to be optimistic, but please be reasonable about it. :)

Optimistic on a personal matter Derscon, not on this forum. On here, I'm a pessimist because I don't expect the conservatives to ever win on here. Guess I was wrong here though I know not everyone voting is conservative :)

I picked "Yes, I'm a male other party," because there was no option for "Depends who she's running against." I don't affiliate with any party, and I'm a centrist, so I'm not strongly predisposed toward one major party or the other. Of the various names I've heard tossed around for 2008, there are three that I would consider voting for: Hillary Clinton, Joseph Lieberman and John McCain. I wouldn't vote for Colin Powell or Condaleeza Rice, despite their being relatively moderate compared to the rest of Bush's cronies, simply for the fact that they were complicit alongside the rest of the administration in the fabrication of evidence to sell the Iraq war.

Clinton is NOWHERE NEAR moderate! She's about the furthest left person in the government!

I'd vote for her, yes -- my vote would come in the shape of a Remmington 700 round to the head for the good of the Greatest Nation on God's Green Earth.

Hmmm, what with the numerous federal government agency's looking at inflamatory rhetoric and such you sir just made yourself known to them you do realize that your comments are in a public forum?

Policy.

She'd start a crack-down on all non-democrats.

Also, do you people who voted for her think she'd be less agressive? PUH-LEASE! She'd be tough, REAL tough, because she was the first woman. She'd show that she wouldn't be a push-over, and that she'd take action if she needed to.

If she became president, I see an invasion of Iran or North Korea in our future...

...and I suppose there hasn't been a crack down on none republicans in the last 5 years and I don't know with the way things are going I wouldn't be surprised to see an invasion of Iran before the next 3 years are up. I wonder if the current administration will lie about their reasons for that invasion also?

Are you actually suggesting conservative women cannot think or act for themselves? Do you really believe they blindly follow their husbands?:headbang:

YES!!! From my perspective the very definition of conservative is that women will blindly follow their husbands in fact it reeks of stay at home barefoot and pregnant...

You are dumb. She is the worst person who could ever run for presidnt. If she wins, our health care would be in shambles. Sure, some people like "free" health care, but you are paying for it double in taxes, and you are placed on a waiting list to se a doctor. I'd rather pay the $20 to see my doctor.

OH, how nice somebody who's in the pocket of the medical and health insurance lobbies because they have health insurance. What about those of us who don't have or can't get health insurance? Oh wait, I suppose you're also one of those who believe that if we're not working someplace that provides these things, its our fault...

Wasted vote. She can't win.

Hmmm, what with the numerous federal government agency's looking at inflamatory rhetoric and such you sir just made yourself known to them you do realize that your comments are in a public forum?

You realize the CIA would probably pay me to kill her. I may disappear, but you can almost guarentee I'll be working for The Agency.

You realize the CIA would probably pay me to kill her. I may disappear, but you can almost guarentee I'll be working for The Agency.

No! Don't kill her. That'll give the Democrats power and then our country will go down the tubes.

OH, how nice somebody who's in the pocket of the medical and health insurance lobbies because they have health insurance. What about those of us who don't have or can't get health insurance? Oh wait, I suppose you're also one of those who believe that if we're not working someplace that provides these things, its our fault...
It is. Get off these forums and go job hunting.

I would vote for her. She has thought very carefully and thoroughly about medicare and social security, before Bill was ever out of the White House; so, she has a lot of ambition, but her plans also show that she is very meticulous and very intelligent. Moreso than other Presidents we've had.

She's also mentioned some sort of redistrubution of wealth. I'm not sure what she intends, but it's clear that some measures need to be taken - and discussion needs to be opened up on the topic - before we have some kind of Communist revolution, or something like it.

Also, I find that the Republicans I've spoken to have an illogical, passionate dislike of her, usually born of the rhetoric other Republicans have used. The sad thing about political parties is that they create human sheep - people who vote and talk but don't think. In other words, idiots. On both sides. I blame the schools!

Uh, anyway. Yeah.

As for me, I'm firmly on the left side of the social and fiscal spectra, but I think Ms. Clinton would be ideal for bringing our national political dialog back to a slightly less inflamed status. She is as radically moderate as possible, it seems, and that is best for keeping the important legislative work where it belongs, with the states.

Just to let you know, Hilary Clinton's own Secret Service agents have said that she hates Republicans (when it came to her personality, she was refered to as the Wicked Witch of the West). In case you have not already figured it out, I voted no.

I would vote for her. She has thought very carefully and thoroughly about medicare and social security, before Bill was ever out of the White House; so, she has a lot of ambition, but her plans also show that she is very meticulous and very intelligent. Moreso than other Presidents we've had.

You mean Hillarycare? That was drastically defeated. No one trusted her healthcare plan. If she brought it up again....it still would've been voted down overwhelmingly. As for being intelligent? That can be debated.

She's also mentioned some sort of redistrubution of wealth. I'm not sure what she intends, but it's clear that some measures need to be taken - and discussion needs to be opened up on the topic - before we have some kind of Communist revolution, or something like it.

A redistribution of wealth is giving free handouts. That doesn't force people back to work.

Also, I find that the Republicans I've spoken to have an illogical, passionate dislike of her, usually born of the rhetoric other Republicans have used. The sad thing about political parties is that they create human sheep - people who vote and talk but don't think. In other words, idiots. On both sides. I blame the schools!

Your right, the schools are to blame. Funny thing is, most of the college professors are liberals and democrats. Thank God there is a Conservative revolution in the classrooms at the universities going on.

Uh, anyway. Yeah.

Think more carefully before you cast a ballot.

There seems to be this knee-jerk response among Republicans (and many Democrats) that "Hillary can't win".

Why not?

She's got the Democrat nomination if she wants it.

She'll have the presidency too.

Which is a shame, cause I really, really, really don't want her to run.

But at the same time, I really, really, really want a Democrat to take back the White House.

And the looks on Republicans' faces would almost make up for having an authoritarian arch-conservative pretending to be a moderate, instituting National ID cards, deporting the immigrants, turning a blind eye to globalization, and shutting out the liberal activist base of the Democratic Party.

Bend over America, this time you're getting it from a woman.

There seems to be this knee-jerk response among Republicans (and many Democrats) that "Hillary can't win".

Because she can't. She has one to many skeletons and besides, some of her policies when her husband was in office, were smashed in Congress and that was when the Republicans didn't have full control of it.

Why not?

1) She isn't a true moderate!
2) She's a liberal
3) To many things wrong with her
4) To much association with her husband

Look at all the candidates that had her husband back them! The majority of them lost their election bids.

She's got the Democrat nomination if she wants it.

She does? Well she could have it but I don't think she'll get past the nomination process. If she does then good but she won't win the Presidency.

She'll have the presidency too.

I don't think the American People want her in office. She'll get defeated but the question is by whom and by how much.

Which is a shame, cause I really, really, really don't want her to run.

Neither do I!

But at the same time, I really, really, really want a Democrat to take back the White House.

I would like to see a better democrat run than Clinton. One that isn't a liberal. I want to see a moderate Democrat try to win the PResidency and he/she could do it too. However, Clinton is not that person.

And the looks on Republicans' faces would almost make up for having an authoritarian arch-conservative pretending to be a moderate, instituting National ID cards, deporting the immigrants, turning a blind eye to globalization, and shutting out the liberal activist base of the Democratic Party.

Nice slam of Bush even though it is highly inaccurate. As for National ID Cards, I can see the merit in it. We have state IDs so why can't we have a national id? As for Deporting Immigrants, good only if they Break the law. We don't want other people's crooks in our country so we should toss them out. As for turning a blind eye to globalization, how? Are you talking about outsourcing? NAFTA did far more to increase outsourcing than Bush's policies. BTW: NAFTA was Clinton's project. As for shutting out liberal activist base of the Democratic party, that is a good thing. We don't need them in power.

Bend over America, this time you're getting it from a woman.

If you believe this then I feel sorry for you.

It is. Get off these forums and go job hunting.
Oh I see, because you perceive that since I am on these forums I am not working.

I'll have you know I am working, not everybody works in a situation where you have big brother looking over your shoulder making sure you are not on the web doing something other than work. Unfortunately, my employer is not willing to provide decent health care insurance. We are expected to pay the premiums from our own pocket. I don't know what fantasy world you live in, but not every employer provides health care readily to its employees. Not every person is able to get a job that is full time, and as a matter of fact may have to work several jobs just to support their families. You sir are a blind follower of the Republican rhetoric, if you cannot see the reasons for some kind of health care program that includes everybody then we will continue to debate this problem. The problem with the way it is now is that health care costs continue to increase, why is that? Could part of the problem be that those who do not have healthcare insurance, who still have emergencies and such, cannot afford to pay their bills defaulting on them and the hospitals and clinics have to make that up some where, where?. Through increased health care costs. I am not saying Hillary's plan was perfect but it was a step toward a solution.

By the way, why don't you get off these forums and get out once in a while and see what the real world is like.

Nice slam of Bush even though it is highly inaccurate. As for National ID Cards, I can see the merit in it. We have state IDs so why can't we have a national id? As for Deporting Immigrants, good only if they Break the law. We don't want other people's crooks in our country so we should toss them out. As for turning a blind eye to globalization, how? Are you talking about outsourcing? NAFTA did far more to increase outsourcing than Bush's policies. BTW: NAFTA was Clinton's project. As for shutting out liberal activist base of the Democratic party, that is a good thing. We don't need them in power.
Actually, I was describing Hillary Clinton, not Bush. :p

She's much more conservative and authoritarian than you'd think.

And yes, I know NAFTA was Clinton's baby. That's the point, Hillary's just gonna continue the conservative economics that started in 1980.

Actually, I was describing Hillary Clinton, not Bush. :p

She's much more conservative and authoritarian than you'd think.

And yes, I know NAFTA was Clinton's baby. That's the point, Hillary's just gonna continue the conservative economics that started in 1980.

Hillary an economic conservative? HAHAHAHA!!! I guess you didn't get a hold of her Healthcare plan! Thank God Congress rejected it.

I wouldn't vote for Hillary, not because she's a woman but because I disagree with her politically.

I'm a very strong democrat and I feel that Hillary wouldn't make a good leader. So in short hell no. This is not because she is a woman either. I support politicians on their stances. Not on sex, race, sexual orientation, or religon.

You cannot derive anything from this poll, however. It is more of a 'hey, look at that' sort of thing.

I mean, I think that more than 5% of all people are female...

And I suspect there is a more than insignificant amount of non-US or non-registered-voters answering in this poll.

I do not trust Hillary Clinton, but it is from issues, and her surprising lack of... well, anything, when finding out about Bill's infidelity. The thing is I suspect there would be a large amount of 'blind voting', as there was in this past election. IE : a disproportionate amount of registered Democrats would vote for her, while a disproportionate amount of registered Republicans would vote for the Republican. It was shocking just how many Americans voted for 'Not Bush' instead of 'Kerry'. And sad, too.

And a person CAN be Democratic (left) AND authoritarian, just like anyone from the right can be authoritarian as well. I think Hillary is more authoritarian (in this case, socialist) than your average democrat, which frightens me.

hell no would i ever vote for hilary clinton

Eight years of Mister Bill was enough, thanks.

I wouldn't vote for her if you paid me.

Reasons:

1) She's Evil

2) I liked her husband better (and that says a lot since I'm a Republican and hated her husband)

3) I lost any respect I could have had for the woman when she didn't kick Bill's ass to the curb when he was unfaithful (if she had divorced the lousy scum bag, I would at least respect her even if I didn't vote for her).

I would not vote for Hillary Clinton because I can't stand her politics. I would however love to see a woman in the white house and being a the insane feminist that I am might vote for her over someone in the Bush family. Actually, I think that is a given because Bush is just a bumblinng fool who only became President though a good campaign manager and a less than medicre democratic candidate. I guess oyu just have to vote for the better of the two candidates even if they both have little merit.

No, she is a biatch.

YES!!! From my perspective the very definition of conservative is that women will blindly follow their husbands in fact it reeks of stay at home barefoot and pregnant...
Then you have an obviously flawed and narrow-minded perspective. Maybe someday you will get over your prejudice and open your very closed mind. Your regard for men is nearly as appalling as your extreme bigotry against political beliefs different from your own.

None of the poll options fit me. I'm a female, no party affiliation, and I would NEVER vote for Hillary. Here's why...

Years ago, while Bill was governor of my state, they had a picnic (photo op) for children in the Head Start Program on the governor's mansion lawn. A friend who worked for Head Start asked me to help chaperone her group. After an hour or two of hot dogs, chips, games, and generally little kids running rampant all over the place, adult nerves were getting a little frazzled. I was herding a group of 4 or 5 little ones a few feet away from Hillary and a couple of security guys. I overheard her say "I've had it. Get these NIGGERS out of here." Unfortunately, my little charges, all of them black, heard what she said. The confusion and hurt, and in a couple of cases, hostility, that I saw in their faces, broke my heart. Hillary's expression never changed from one of bland indifference. How do you explain that kind of attitude so that little people can understand?

Since then, I've known that no matter what comes out of her mouth, there is nothing but ugly racism, hate, and lies in her mind and in her heart. I'll probably be voting for Condi in 08.

YES!!! From my perspective the very definition of conservative is that women will blindly follow their husbands in fact it reeks of stay at home barefoot and pregnant...

I won't comment on such a narrow-minded, uneducated, sexist comment like that. I'll let the concentrative ladies out there handle this one.

None of the poll options fit me. I'm a female, no party affiliation, and I would NEVER vote for Hillary. Here's why...

Years ago, while Bill was governor of my state, they had a picnic (photo op) for children in the Head Start Program on the governor's mansion lawn. A friend who worked for Head Start asked me to help chaperone her group. After an hour or two of hot dogs, chips, games, and generally little kids running rampant all over the place, adult nerves were getting a little frazzled. I was herding a group of 4 or 5 little ones a few feet away from Hillary and a couple of security guys. I overheard her say "I've had it. Get these NIGGERS out of here." Unfortunately, my little charges, all of them black, heard what she said. The confusion and hurt, and in a couple of cases, hostility, that I saw in their faces, broke my heart. Hillary's expression never changed from one of bland indifference. How do you explain that kind of attitude so that little people can understand?

Since then, I've known that no matter what comes out of her mouth, there is nothing but ugly racism, hate, and lies in her mind and in her heart. I'll probably be voting for Condi in 08.

So one comment makes her unclean...ever heard of forgiveness. Remember you have to forgive all, only god can chose to not forgive.

So you should probably be thinking about that.

YES!!! From my perspective the very definition of conservative is that women will blindly follow their husbands in fact it reeks of stay at home barefoot and pregnant...

In our house, I control the finances and the general direction of our household. At work I have an administrative position and determine all of the financial dealings of our organization. I am most definitely an ALPHA...and a control freak. I give consideration to my husband's opinions that differ from mine, but I never alter mine solely to agree with his. I used to agree with what is now called the old-style democrats...Joe Lieberman is an example of this philosophy. People like Hillary, Ted Kennedy, Howard Dean, and John Kerry do not represent me. At this time the party closest to representing my ideals is the republicans.

FYI...I own over 70 pairs of shoes and I have never been pregnant...I chose to adopt.

But at the same time, I really, really, really want a Democrat to take back the White House.

Then get out there and work for candidates you really, really, really want to win. Do not under any circumstances just sit back and say, "She has the nomination if she wants it."

Heck, I'm a Republican but would defiantly consider voting for Joe Lieberman depending on who the Republican candidate is. Actually, I think a McCain/Lieberman or Lieberman/McCain ticket would be a good one but that won't happen unless one of them switches parties.

Then get out there and work for candidates you really, really, really want to win. Do not under any circumstances just sit back and say, "She has the nomination if she wants it."

Heck, I'm a Republican but would defiantly consider voting for Joe Lieberman depending on who the Republican candidate is. Actually, I think a McCain/Lieberman or Lieberman/McCain ticket would be a good one but that won't happen unless one of them switches parties.

I would vote for this ticket. In fact, a bi-partisan ticket might go a long ways towards mending the political rift.

I would vote for this ticket. In fact, a bi-partisan ticket might go a long ways towards mending the political rift.

I agree.

I would vote for this ticket. In fact, a bi-partisan ticket might go a long ways towards mending the political rift.
McCain has sacrificed too much to switch now. He is trying for the republican ticket. That was why he defended bush. He defended Kerry because the sme guys who attacked Kerry attacked him.
So You might see McCain next election if all goes accordign to plan.

Personally he seems to opportunist to me after reading up on him. But he issomewhat a decent guy.

McCain has sacrificed too much to switch now. He is trying for the republican ticket. That was why he defended bush. He defended Kerry because the sme guys who attacked Kerry attacked him.
So You might see McCain next election if all goes accordign to plan.

Personally he seems to opportunist to me after reading up on him. But he issomewhat a decent guy.

I think being an opportunist is a necessary character trait for a successful politician. If decency were a mandate, we would have seen a much different presidential lineup. I just try to look at their stance on a number of key issues and pick the one that most closely matches mine.

Unfortunately, my employer is not willing to provide decent health care insurance. We are expected to pay the premiums from our own pocket.

Your employer is providing you with health care, it's just you don't want to pay the premiums. What is wrong with you paying the premiums? If you think the premiums are to high, just try getting health insurance without the benefit of the group rates provided by your employers plan.

You knew when you took the job what the benefits were and if you didn't like them, you had the option of refusing the job and getting another one. In fact, if having the employer pay your premiums is so important to you why not look for another job now while you are still working? :headbang:

By the way, how is Hillary as President going to help in your situation? Is she going ask Congress to pass a law requiring employers to pay the premium for all employees? Is she going to ask Congress to pass a law that will require all employees to hire only full time employees and provide full benefits? Is she going to ask Congress to pass a law to raise the minimum wage again? If you answer yes to any of these questions, you must ask yourself why she isn't introducing legislation to get that done while she is in the Senate. :headbang: :headbang:

Actually, I was describing Hillary Clinton, not Bush. :p

She's much more conservative and authoritarian than you'd think.

And yes, I know NAFTA was Clinton's baby. That's the point, Hillary's just gonna continue the conservative economics that started in 1980.

If Hillary is so consertative why is she rated right along with Kennedy and Kerry?

So one comment makes her unclean...ever heard of forgiveness. Remember you have to forgive all, only god can chose to not forgive.

So you should probably be thinking about that.

You only need to forgive those who seek forgiveness, and yes I can choose not to forgive. It was God after all that gave me a free will.

FYI...I own over 70 pairs of shoes and I have never been pregnant...I chose to adopt.

I love it. Good job Zooke. :D

So one comment makes her unclean...ever heard of forgiveness. Remember you have to forgive all, only god can chose to not forgive.

So you should probably be thinking about that.
Yeah, look at all the forgivness Trent Lott got.

So one comment makes her unclean...ever heard of forgiveness. Remember you have to forgive all, only god can chose to not forgive.

So you should probably be thinking about that.

This isn't a matter of forgiveness. I was offered an insight into who and what Hillary really is. This wasn't a comment made because of tiredness. That isn't a word that ever comes to a decent person's mind, much less out of their mouth, in even the worst of circumstances. To have said it within hearing of small children was a demonstration of deep-seated racism, irresponsibility, and lack of concern. This is far from the only indication that Hillary has given of a poor character. She is well known here in Arkansas for under-handed business dealings, a hateful attitude, a superiority complex, and one of the foulest mouths ever to be heard in the state capitol. The state police are responsible for security for the governor and his/her spouse. Have you ever read some of the stories these people have told about Bill and Hillary? She was called the "wicked witch" and with just reason.

How can she possibly be trusted to lead a country when a large segment of the population is equated to a foul, hateful word to her? I can forgive her, but that doesn't mean I have to trust her.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=23520

"State troopers delivered Hillary to meet with Vince Foster," said the source, who requested his name be withheld. "The meetings were clandestine and took place when Bill Clinton was out of the state, which was often."

At least one note allegedly documents a meeting between the two at the Red Apple Inn golf and tennis resort in Heber Springs, Ark., a remote town about an hour's drive north of Little Rock.

I'm originally from Heber Springs and have my retirement home on the Little Red River up there. Hillary and Foster's visits were well known about in the area and the object of numerous jokes and comments.

I won't comment on such a narrow-minded, uneducated, sexist comment like that. I'll let the concentrative ladies out there handle this one.


Hunh!!!

Concentrative, adj. tending to concentrate; concentrating.

In our house, I control the finances and the general direction of our household. At work I have an administrative position and determine all of the financial dealings of our organization. I am most definitely an ALPHA...and a control freak. I give consideration to my husband's opinions that differ from mine, but I never alter mine solely to agree with his. I used to agree with what is now called the old-style democrats...Joe Lieberman is an example of this philosophy. People like Hillary, Ted Kennedy, Howard Dean, and John Kerry do not represent me. At this time the party closest to representing my ideals is the republicans.

FYI...I own over 70 pairs of shoes and I have never been pregnant...I chose to adopt.

Ouch!!! Touched a nerve did I...I never said I believed in women having to stay at home be barefoot and pregnant I said the perception of the conservative right wing is that. That's what the conservative right wing want. Just listen to Rush and his ilk, along with the right wing christians, they all say it, but its hidden in their message.

Your employer is providing you with health care, it's just you don't want to pay the premiums. What is wrong with you paying the premiums? If you think the premiums are to high, just try getting health insurance without the benefit of the group rates provided by your employers plan.

Where did I say my employer provides me with health care insurance? I receive NO!!! health insurance my employer provides me with NOTHING!!! that would prevent me from racking up huge hospital bills I pay my own Doctor bills.

You knew when you took the job what the benefits were and if you didn't like them, you had the option of refusing the job and getting another one. In fact, if having the employer pay your premiums is so important to you why not look for another job now while you are still working?

Hmmm!!!! I happen to like what I do. So what you are saying is I should work at a job I abhore to get health insurance instead of working at a job I like with out health insurance. My impression is, that you assume all employers provide some kind of health insurance. Maybe they do if you count workmans compensation, but other than that no they don't. You also seem to assume that the job situation is equal all over the country and that we all have an equal opportunity to take jobs that provide some sort of security. Get real.

By the way, how is Hillary as President going to help in your situation? Is she going ask Congress to pass a law requiring employers to pay the premium for all employees? Is she going to ask Congress to pass a law that will require all employees to hire only full time employees and provide full benefits? Is she going to ask Congress to pass a law to raise the minimum wage again? If you answer yes to any of these questions, you must ask yourself why she isn't introducing legislation to get that done while she is in the Senate.

I didn't say she was going to help, I said that, what she proposed before was a step in the right direction. How do you know she hasn't introduced these things? You know the process of Congress can be stifling and when it is controlled by a majority party how far do you think your legislation is going to get? I doubt it would get out of committee. If it even it made it to a committee in the first place.

no f***ing way... I'd vote Ralph Nader... or Darth Vader

I didn't say she was going to help, I said that, what she proposed before was a step in the right direction. How do you know she hasn't introduced these things? You know the process of Congress can be stifling and when it is controlled by a majority party how far do you think your legislation is going to get? I doubt it would get out of committee. If it even it made it to a committee in the first place.

But she can do as President what she can't/won't do as a Senator? :headbang:

no.

I'm all for the idea of a woman as president, but not hillary...ever.

Where did I say my employer provides me with health care insurance?

Unfortunately, my employer is not willing to provide decent health care insurance. We are expected to pay the premiums from our own pocket.

This implies that your employer has a health care program but expects you to pay the premiums. If this is not the case, you should have been clearer and stated the fact that your employer does not provide any healthcare benefits.

Hmmm!!!! I happen to like what I do. So what you are saying is I should work at a job I abhore to get health insurance instead of working at a job I like with out health insurance. My impression is, that you assume all employers provide some kind of health insurance.

No, you should never take a job that you abhor. What I am saying is your current employer isn't the only one who hires people that do the type of work you do. If you don't like the benefit package, your current employer provides look for another employer who will provide the benefits you want. Decide what is most important to you, and then act on it. You do have choices.

No. I'd vote Green Party.