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okay.. no the best scam in the world.. but let's take a vote.. who thinks there'll be a US draft withing 8 years, who thinks 'no' and who is unsure. BTW - don't go for unsure. just guess there's nothing to lose.

No, there will be no draft...

I think people are being drafter right now.
You know, you go to sleep at night and, when morning comes, you are in Iraq.

We have a draft here, no-one really knows why, when was the last time you heard of Brazil in a war? (except against Argentina or Italy at soccer... painful).
No, no draft, it would be electoral suicide.

Barring a non-nuclear war with a major power, like China or Russia, no.

Without that, it would be political suicide for either party.

I think people are being drafter right now.
You know, you go to sleep at night and, when morning comes, you are in Iraq.
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Even with the obviously superior American military technology... and numbers in the standing army can they be beaten if it comes to that? I don't think it will in the short term, but however much I think that the Americans are looking out for their own self interests I still can't help thinking they're going way beyond their immediate needs.

The human race will probably become the American race. We need more space, more planets to take over(screw over)... the question is can this be acheived withing the current socia economic framework?

hell no there wont be a draft

Even with the obviously superior American military technology... and numbers in the standing army can they be beaten if it comes to that? I don't think it will in the short term, but however much I think that the Americans are looking out for their own self interests I still can't help thinking they're going way beyond their immediate needs.

The human race will probably become the American race. We need more space, more planets to take over(screw over)... the question is can this be acheived within the current socia economic framework?

Of course there is a draft i mean.. whats his face said it first "its fun to shoot people" so.. pick up all the stupeid people that you dont like and shoot them.. like.. bill Gates... or throw us into iraq and give us a ggun right????

J/K no actually there is a possability of a draft due to the fact that (in Bush's eyes) America is top dog. in fact we aren't im not anti American but i think America to many times in History has gotten involved where we are not needed or have gotten into what we dont need to be.

1. Pearl Harbor - We kicked the shit out of Japan and now we are like.. heroes of WW2 ... um no... we stayed out for a long while refusing to get involved. Japan hurt us .. bad.. we kicked Japan's Ass... done and over.. the real war was in Europe... yea sure went sent guys there and all.. but it was everyone not just America

2 Revolutionary War- We kicked Britains high and mighty Ass- true we did but we had an advantage point.. we shot and ran while Britains military were on strict orders of staying in formation and not breaking rank until ordered also we knew the land better

3 Vietnam- umm.. not goign there i think we have enough Vets out there and enough in books to know what happened here

4 Korean war - we didnt kick anyones ass we tried to take more than we needed when we were helping get the border back in place (Damn Gen. Arthur)

Ok so there are some reasons for you... other than that there isnt much more to say.. right now we are at war and we should be back at home with family and friends. simple as that. will the Draft come back. most likely but only if Bush and any other president gets in office and tries once again to make America this bad ass Nation that we cant live up to.

We have a draft here, no-one really knows why, when was the last time you heard of Brazil in a war? (except against Argentina or Italy at soccer... painful).
No, no draft, it would be electoral suicide.

Yeah, that really should have gone by now. Military in brazil have budget cuts every year, it´s not like we want to go to war and it´s not even like we want to defend ourselves if war comes our way. Having to waste a year in the "tiro de guerra" (something that, in theory, all brazilians males who turn 18 has to go through, but, there isn´t money for everyone, so only a really small parts do it, it´s like a year being trained to be a soldier, or something...) is really a bad heritage of the dictatorship days. It amazes me how no one got rid of that yet. It´s not like the military have enough public support to do something against it. Actually, it´s not like people won´t go to streets thank god that this is finally over.

[QUOTE=<SNIP>we cant live up to.[/QUOTE]

I'll remind you I'm a Brit, but I think you can live up to it... I'm not saying that the USA couldn't be beaten, but it would require the whole world to side against you. The sad thing is I can see this happening in many years to come, if you assume history will repeat itself.

I'll remind you I'm a Brit, but I think you can live up to it... I'm not saying that the USA couldn't be beaten, but it would require the whole world to side against you. The sad thing is I can see this happening in many years to come, if you assume history will repeat itself.

Don´t matter how many years it take, I don´t see no one in europe or even china attacking the US. What I think will happen is another cold war beetween China and US.
Things get really different when both sides has nuclear weapons.

I think that there will be no draft because neither political party will want to initiate one. I believe it is too great a political risk unless the situation on the ground gets too far out of control. I believe that this has a chance of happening, due to the increase of violence and further imperialistic plans. However, I doubt that there will be a draft unless things get way to far out of control.

I'll remind you I'm a Brit, but I think you can live up to it... I'm not saying that the USA couldn't be beaten, but it would require the whole world to side against you. The sad thing is I can see this happening in many years to come, if you assume history will repeat itself.

lol your brit thats cool.. Im related to... eh lets not get into that on to your poat.. yes i do think history will repeat itself.. Hasnt it always?look at america for two details...

1 Pearl harbor... and the towers... both were done by planes... both were unexpected... both had.. extreme casualties...

2 Korea... had big fight over comunisim.. then.. had big fight over nukes.. Ok not the exact same buut yea.. we still had argument that lamost led to war...

3 Black Plague i could be wrong but i think it happened twice and in the same fasion only less were killed the second time

4 Killing for land there is to many times this has happened through out history in general i will only noame a few
a)Crusades
b)Salem Witch Trials
c)French and Indian War
d)Revolutionary War

So yes i think history repeats itself and it forever will.. oh the joys of our World oh well we live with it but alot of times we are able to get history tro stop only showing us that fate isnt set in stone. i only wish that for once no one hated anyone.. then again.. i dont because if that happened what would we talk about?

we stayed out for a long while refusing to get involved.
No, we were trying to get involved, We gave Britain a bunch of Destroyers in returns for island military bases in the caribean for Homeland Defence. plus there was a peacetime draft right before pearl harbor happened. We were clearly trying to get involved.

3 Vietnam- umm.. not goign there i think we have enough Vets out there and enough in books to know what happened here
We could have kicked thier asses, but we were afraid of Nuclear retalliation from thier allies, Russia and China so the politicians kept it a very limited war and as a result the generals couldn't fight it like they should have

but other than that, no there won't be a draft, some rich kid would file a lawsuit and it would be all over

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So yes i think history repeats itself and it forever will.. oh the joys of our World oh well we live with it but alot of times we are able to get history tro stop only showing us that fate isnt set in stone. i only wish that for once no one hated anyone.. then again.. i dont because if that happened what would
we talk about?

Good post, history seem to be on a wave (sine wave?) or some other simple fomula which basically repeats itself over and over again.

Any American on here proclaim that in the last 3 years they've not become even slightly anti-european?

Any European on here proclaim that in the last 3 years they've not become even slightly anti-americon?

Good post, history seem to be on a wave (sine wave?) or some other simple fomula which basically repeats itself over and over again.

Any American on here proclaim that in the last 3 years they've not become even slightly anti-european?

Any European on here proclaim that in the last 3 years they've not become even slightly anti-americon?

Actually im not Anti-European at all... I actually wonder what the deal is with America and Canada still.. i mean.. i have noticed this massive.. hatred to Canada and not known why.. i think it is a beautiful country and wonderful people.. but thats not euope so let me get back on topic.. Europe.. i love the place.. i love the Accents... hell i love it all. .then again.. im.. direct relation to someone there of (historical) importance so yea.. anyhow.. i studied up and love it.. the closest ive been is Ireland.. so i mean.. yea... i met some people but to me they are all wonderfully nice people.. i mean sure Americans can say "I hate Europe because its a crappy place (yadda yadda) but why? go there and get a good reason to hate it besides "there food isnt as good as ours" (sorry thats just one reason i have heard)

No, we were trying to get involved, We gave Britain a bunch of Destroyers in returns for island military bases in the caribean for Homeland Defence. plus there was a peacetime draft right before pearl harbor happened. We were clearly trying to get involved.


We could have kicked thier asses, but we were afraid of Nuclear retalliation from thier allies, Russia and China so the politicians kept it a very limited war and as a result the generals couldn't fight it like they should have

but other than that, no there won't be a draft, some rich kid would file a lawsuit and it would be all over

Actually America was trying to be more.. of a supplier of it then anythign else we didnt want to be directly involved otherwise we would have just simply flwon over there and gotten it done. .. Admit it America isnt one to hesitate on alot of things... thats just the way we are..

As for Vietnam yes we probably could have.. but tell me this.. what was the point of goign over there in the first place? and after pearl harbor we signed a decleration wee wouldnt use nukes anymore... so why would we break that just to win somethign we shouldnt have been in in the first place? i mean hell.. we had the Cuban Missle Crises too (sorry my datesa are really messed up cant remember which came first) but it does go to show you that had we used nukes at all.. wether the crises was first or last russia alone could have nailed us from Cuba as they had orrigannaly planed to.. of course we did make a bad move by Bay of pigs in the incedent.. but that was *Cough* Military *cough* mistake or was it CIA??? or worse... JFK??? eh i cnat remember....

Since ive been on a war kick i thought i waould bring this over. someone posted this on another forum and either one these are digitaly colored or two a very good reenactment but.. check these WWI photos out

http://www.network54.com/Forum/thread?forumid=211833&messageid=1088370788&lp=1088381193

1. Pearl Harbor - We kicked the shit out of Japan and now we are like.. heroes of WW2 ... um no... we stayed out for a long while refusing to get involved. Japan hurt us .. bad.. we kicked Japan's Ass... done and over.. the real war was in Europe... yea sure went sent guys there and all.. but it was everyone not just America

You're really not that familiar with America's involvement in main-land Europe are you? Little things like D-Day and giving the Russians supplies and weapons? The B-14 flying around during the day? Little things like that. Little things that sort of won the war in mainland Europe? Without America entering the war against both Japan and Germany, Europe could very well be under Nazi rule right now. Everyone was there but Everyone else needed America's production and cannon fodder to win.

2 Revolutionary War- We kicked Britains high and mighty Ass- true we did but we had an advantage point.. we shot and ran while Britains military were on strict orders of staying in formation and not breaking rank until ordered also we knew the land better

This war is kind of like Vietnam for the British. All we Americans needed to do was holdout. We lost almost all the battles but we won the war. And we wouldn't have done that without the aide of the French. Mind you, a very different French than today.

4 Korean war - we didnt kick anyones ass we tried to take more than we needed when we were helping get the border back in place (Damn Gen. Arthur)

Interesting way to look at it.

Ok so there are some reasons for you... other than that there isnt much more to say.. right now we are at war and we should be back at home with family and friends. simple as that. will the Draft come back. most likely but only if Bush and any other president gets in office and tries once again to make America this bad ass Nation that we cant live up to.

Uhhhh right. I don't think the draft will come back because it *will* be political suicide. I think you'll find them federalizing the National Guard, pulling troops out of Japan/Germany/Korea before any sitting president decides to kill his political future.

You're really not that familiar with America's involvement in main-land Europe are you? Little things like D-Day and giving the Russians supplies and weapons? The B-14 flying around during the day? Little things like that. Little things that sort of won the war in mainland Europe? Without America entering the war against both Japan and Germany, Europe could very well be under Nazi rule right now. Everyone was there but Everyone else needed America's production and cannon fodder to win.

No i didnt forget about D day and all.. all i said was at first we didnt want to send anyone over there until we were really forced into itt with Pearl Harbor. once we were there yes it was a simple touch down run through kill em and over kinda thing (not really but you get the idea) anyhow.. realize American troops were also well rested being in the trenches and all Germans and the French and all were alike.. they were tired.. i mena.. wouldnt you be? so for us it was a time we could go through and have it over with had we been there in the begining it may not have ended the way we read it in history


This war is kind of like Vietnam for the British. All we Americans needed to do was holdout. We lost almost all the battles but we won the war. And we wouldn't have done that without the aide of the French. Mind you, a very different French than today.

I forgot the French LOL! boy.. my fault... hehe.. even america needs help lol
and your right it was like a Vietnam for Britain i dont argue that but all im simply stating in the first place is that we have held our ground so well and been there so much that it makes us seem like this great country when in my opinon we are not as great as we think we are.. but like i said that is simply an opinion of mine not everyone's

No i didnt forget about D day and all.. all i said was at first we didnt want to send anyone over there until we were really forced into itt with Pearl Harbor. once we were there yes it was a simple touch down run through kill em and over kinda thing (not really but you get the idea) anyhow.. realize American troops were also well rested being in the trenches and all Germans and the French and all were alike.. they were tired.. i mena.. wouldnt you be? so for us it was a time we could go through and have it over with had we been there in the begining it may not have ended the way we read it in history

It would of ended much sooner in Europe and in the Pacific in America entered the war earlier. The problem is that Americans, as a whole, didn't really want to go to war. We knew nothing of Hitler's plans and actions with the Jews. Indeed what we did do was run supplies and such to England, Russia etc... to keep them fighting the war. However, frankly, staying out of WWII for as long as possible was in the best interest of America.

It would of ended much sooner in Europe and in the Pacific in America entered the war earlier. The problem is that Americans, as a whole, didn't really want to go to war. We knew nothing of Hitler's plans and actions with the Jews. Indeed what we did do was run supplies and such to England, Russia etc... to keep them fighting the war. However, frankly, staying out of WWII for as long as possible was in the best interest of America.

Exactly! lol but like i said.. in the eyes of alot of Americans today.. because we went to war aand beat the living crap out of Japan with 2 Nukes.. we are this.. all and might power.. thats all im saying.. not all americans see it this way but alot do

lol your brit thats cool.. Im related to... eh lets not get into that on to your poat.. yes i do think history will repeat itself.. Hasnt it always?look at america for two details...

1 Pearl harbor... and the towers... both were done by planes... both were unexpected... both had.. extreme casualties...

2 Korea... had big fight over comunisim.. then.. had big fight over nukes.. Ok not the exact same buut yea.. we still had argument that lamost led to war...

3 Black Plague i could be wrong but i think it happened twice and in the same fasion only less were killed the second time

4 Killing for land there is to many times this has happened through out history in general i will only noame a few
a)Crusades
b)Salem Witch Trials
c)French and Indian War
d)Revolutionary War

So yes i think history repeats itself and it forever will.. oh the joys of our World oh well we live with it but alot of times we are able to get history tro stop only showing us that fate isnt set in stone. i only wish that for once no one hated anyone.. then again.. i dont because if that happened what would we talk about?

...what?

...what?

huh? did i say something that confused you.. please.. let me know and ill refraise it.. im a t work on a caffene buzz so my mind is kinda like.. yea.. spinning like mad lol

There WILL be a draft and it WILL be soon?

http://www.newamericancentury.org/defense-20050128.htm

The United States military is too small for the responsibilities we are asking it to assume. Those responsibilities are real and important. They are not going away. The United States will not and should not become less engaged in the world in the years to come. But our national security, global peace and stability, and the defense and promotion of freedom in the post-9/11 world require a larger military force than we have today.........

So we write to ask you and your colleagues in the legislative branch to take the steps necessary to increase substantially the size of the active duty Army and Marine Corps. While estimates vary about just how large an increase is required, and Congress will make its own determination as to size and structure, it is our judgment that we should aim for an increase in the active duty Army and Marine Corps, together, of at least 25,000 troops each year over the next several years.

There is abundant evidence that the demands of the ongoing missions in the greater Middle East, along with our continuing defense and alliance commitments elsewhere in the world, are close to exhausting current U.S. ground forces. For example, just late last month, Lieutenant General James Helmly, chief of the Army Reserve, reported that "overuse" in Iraq and Afghanistan could be leading to a "broken force." Yet after almost two years in Iraq and almost three years in Afghanistan, it should be evident that our engagement in the greater Middle East is truly, in Condoleezza Rice's term, a "generational commitment." The only way to fulfill the military aspect of this commitment is by increasing the size of the force available to our civilian leadership.

Welcome to the world of US imperialism.

Yes the US national guard and army resrves are stretched to breaking point, yes because of to few enlistees, but before a draft, consider this.
Even though america has pretty much been at war since 9/11, the pentagons civillian leadership has resisted increasing the number of active duty Army forces.

Why?

Because its cheaper to use the guard and reserve troops, The Department of Defence does not have to provide housing, medical care and base facilities for the familys of reservists as it does with active-duty troops.
Tje effect this money saving act is having on small towns is terrible, they're losing their firefighters and police who are members of the Guard and the Reserve because the pentagon wants to save a buck.

Yes the US national guard and army resrves are stretched to breaking point, yes because of to few enlistees, but before a draft, consider this.
Even though america has pretty much been at war since 9/11, the pentagons civillian leadership has resisted increasing the number of active duty Army forces.

Why?

Because its cheaper to use the guard and reserve troops, The Department of Defence does not have to provide housing, medical care and base facilities for the familys of reservists as it does with active-duty troops.
Tje effect this money saving act is having on small towns is terrible, they're losing their firefighters and police who are members of the Guard and the Reserve because the pentagon wants to save a buck.
Another good reason as to why there would be a draft in the near future?

I just think they should start using their army before using their civillians.

I am not an anti-European, but I am afraid to go to Europe because of Anti-American feelings there.

Only way we'd be in a draft is if things got crazy, for example we go to war with China or Russia; or if Bush totally loses it, Europe. There are a lot of people enlisting in the arm forces that I know, as long as people enlist I don't think it's possible. Like others have said, it's political suicide, the moment a draft happens we completely lose whatever credit we have with the rest of the world. I'll never believe a draft will happen, until it happens, and I pray to the powers that be it never happens.