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Philosophy, Religion, blah blah blah...
No one has all the answers. No one will know all the answers. It's a worthless cause.
:headbang:

Philosophy, Religion, blah blah blah...
No one has all the answers. No one will know all the answers. It's a worthless cause.
:headbang:
*shrugs* I guess the point is to give us a point.

Yes! You have just realised nihilism, my friend!

Thats what makes religion religion. If there were answers then it wouldn't be philosphy (can't spell, so horrible) and religion

Yes! You have just realised nihilism, my friend!
Yay!
Now let's all be gloomy. Because I'm good at that.

Philosophy, Religion, blah blah blah...
No one has all the answers. No one will know all the answers. It's a worthless cause.
:headbang:

But its fun to study philosophy and then teach it. That way you get to pass your whole life without ever actually having to do anything more than argue well.

*shrugs* I guess the point is to give us a point.
Why don't people just throw out all that nonsense and live with what they know now? With reason?
If you look at life rationally, then, the point of living is just to live.

Yay!
Now let's all be gloomy. Because I'm good at that.
Nihilism does not necessitate gloominess. When it hit me in its strongest wave so far, I laughed. It was so wonderful!

Philosophy, Religion, blah blah blah...
No one has all the answers. No one will know all the answers. It's a worthless cause.
:headbang:

What's the point in asking what's the point? You're hardly the first person to make a thread about this.

Philosophy, Religion, blah blah blah...
No one has all the answers. No one will know all the answers. It's a worthless cause.

Dude, the answers you decide are correct... are correct... at least in your own mind... :cool:

What's the point in asking what's the point? You're hardly the first person to make a thread about this.
Hmm.
But what's the point in *not* asking what's the point of trying to find a point?

Maybe we'd be better of if we went and found a pint instead of a point.

This is going to quickly become a VERY cyclic thread. ;)

Nihilism does not necessitate gloominess. When it hit me in its strongest wave so far, I laughed. It was so wonderful!
Hrm, it had rather the opposite effect on me. It made me swallow a lot of pills.

Philosophy, Religion, blah blah blah...
No one has all the answers. No one will know all the answers. It's a worthless cause.
:headbang:

Well, with religion nobody will have all the answers, but as far as political philosophy goes, I feel that since it refers to the material world, it is possibly to logically debate it and arrive at a conclusion.

This is going to quickly become a VERY cyclic thread. ;)
But what's the point of it quickly becoming a very cyclic thread?

But what's the point of it quickly becoming a very cyclic thread?
BWWAAAAAA HAAA HAAA!!!!

Hmmmm... Confusious say thread without point, is like needle without thread :p

Why don't people just throw out all that nonsense and live with what they know now? With reason?
If you look at life rationally, then, the point of living is just to live.
I don't know - I like having a point. Even if I know that it doesn't truly mean anything in any metaphysical sense.

I spent 4 years going around in circles as a philosophy major, and in the end decided that while I could come up with no other conclusion than "there is no point," I was much happier structuring my life as if it did have a point. Or at least lots of little points.

I think all humans have their own boxes in which they live, whether the box is structured around religion, philosophy, or reason.

After all, what makes reason so special?

Philosophy, Religion, blah blah blah...
No one has all the answers. No one will know all the answers. It's a worthless cause.
:headbang:

Well, no-one has all the answers, but it's possible to at least grasp the principal of some of them. Through philosophy people attempt to better understand life, the universe, and everything, but I doubt any true philosopher would expect to actually understand everything. In fact... isn't one of the first things a philosopher would admit is that they know nothing?

Besides. Debate purely for its own purpose is enjoyable. And even if you think human endeavour is worthless, doesn't mean we should be miserable whilst we're doing nothing.

Besides. Debate purely for its own purpose is enjoyable. And even if you think human endeavour is worthless, doesn't mean we should be miserable whilst we're doing nothing.
Agreed. :D

Hrm, it had rather the opposite effect on me. It made me swallow a lot of pills.
Sure, I felt like slitting my wrists. But I enjoyed the feeling and clarity so much!

Okay, seriously, no more goofing on my part. I have a very gloomy view on life: There is no point. It is simply the transition between birth and death. What happens before you die is meaningless. It's how you die that makes a difference. And just pray to your higher powers that your transition runs smoothly. :cool:

Okay, seriously, no more goofing on my part. I have a very gloomy view on life: There is no point. It is simply the transition between birth and death. What happens before you die is meaningless. It's how you die that makes a difference. And just pray to your higher powers that your transition runs smoothly. :cool:
No! Not true. All life is transitory, that is true. But it a transition of nothing to nothing! Everything is the same on a subatomic level, the only things that are different are organisation. What is important is that you enjoy life the most you can while it exists!

And even if you think human endeavour is worthless, doesn't mean we should be miserable whilst we're doing nothing.

Not wasting your time debating philospophy and religion DOES NOT equal misery.

Not wasting your time debating philospophy and religion DOES NOT equal misery.
Um, I believe you just made an error in logic (and Jordaxia, correct me if I've misinterpreted you).

I believe Jordaxia said "if debate, then enjoyment." He did NOT say, "enjoyment if and only if debate."

HTH.

Not wasting your time debating philospophy and religion DOES NOT equal misery.

Yes, but debating philosophy and religion can equal happiness, and it doesn't cost you anything except time. And if you're worried about running out of time, why the hell are you on NS?

So there's a positive, yet no real negative.

Edit: yeah, what prosophia said I said :D

No! Not true. All life is transitory, that is true. But it a transition of nothing to nothing! Everything is the same on a subatomic level, the only things that are different are organisation. What is important is that you enjoy life the most you can while it exists!

That's a nice way of looking at it. Still, I stand by my words and add some more; if you die fighting for something you care about, be it a better future, your family, or your own philosophical/religious beliefs, you will be immortalized forever.

Not wasting your time debating philospophy and religion DOES NOT equal misery.

You're really under no obligation to continue frequenting this site. If you are so overwhelmingly dissatisfied with the discourse here then you are more than welcome to leave.

That's a nice way of looking at it. Still, I stand by my words and add some more; if you die fighting for something you care about, be it a better future, your family, or your own philosophical/religious beliefs, you will be immortalized forever.

Listen to me! I should start my own cult or something! :p

Still, I stand by my words and add some more; if you die fighting for something you care about, be it a better future, your family, or your own philosophical/religious beliefs, you will be immortalized forever.
Pardon my condescension, but how quaint. Immortality in any sense is ridiculous. Nothing is immortal, though, depending on what the truth of physics is, matter and energy might be. The thing is, it is best to enjoy life as much as you can, but to also help others enjoy it while their presumed consciousness exists.

You're really under no obligation to continue frequenting this site. If you are so overwhelmingly dissatisfied with the discourse here then you are more than welcome to leave.

Fuck you! I never said anything about being dissatisfied with the "discourse" on this site. I was just opening up discussion. God damn!

Pardon my condescension, but how quaint. Immortality in any sense is ridiculous. Nothing is immortal, though, depending on what the truth of physics is, matter and energy might be. The thing is, it is best to enjoy life as much as you can, but to also help others enjoy it while their presumed consciousness exists.

Pardoned. ;) By immortality, I meant you live on in the minds and (in the less-than-scientific sense) hearts of all those who knew you.

Fuck you! I never said anything about being dissatisfied with the "discourse" on this site. I was just opening up discussion. God damn!
W00t!

Teleological Nihilism is freedom. The sooner you embrace that, the happier you will be.

By immortality, I meant you live on in the minds and (in the less-than-scientific sense) hearts of all those who knew you.
Ahh, ok. So, by immortality, you mean you live on for another generation or so. Or, perhaps, if you're famous, youc oucld even span millenia. But nothing will ever be truly immortalised, though there may be an illusion of so. I would like to establish, by the by, that these are my beliefs, and I am not stating them as facts. I am stating them as conclusions drawn from observations and supposed facts.

Fuck you! I never said anything about being dissatisfied with the "discourse" on this site. I was just opening up discussion. God damn!

What sort of debate were you hoping to spawn here? That it's stupid and pointless to debate? Other than whining, I don't really see how this thread really offers any discussion.

Why don't people just throw out all that nonsense and live with what they know now? With reason?
If you look at life rationally, then, the point of living is just to live.


No, the point of life is candy, then pie.

(Unless you are coke addict, in which case the point is to finish all the coke).

Teleological Nihilism is freedom. The sooner you embrace that, the happier you will be.
Could you explain what teleological nihilism is? I know what teleology is--kind of--and I definitely know what nihilism is, but I don't know what exactly you mean.

Other than whining, I don't really see how this thread really offers any discussion.
Well, 30 + posts would disagree with you asshole.
Take head OUT of rectum.

What sort of debate were you hoping to spawn here? That it's stupid and pointless to debate? Other than whining, I don't really see how this thread really offers any discussion.
It is nihilistic philosphy being discussed here.

Well, 30 + posts would disagree with you asshole.
Take head OUT of rectum.
Actually, most people disagree with your bitching, but are probably too mature to say so. Thankfully, I'm not mature. Stop whining.

Well, 30 + posts would disagree with you asshole.
Take head OUT of rectum.

Flaming. How mature.

No, the point of life is candy, then pie.
Really? Where does chocolate milk reside?

Why don't people just throw out all that nonsense and live with what they know now? With reason?
If you look at life rationally, then, the point of living is just to live.
The point of living is to die. Entrophy and all that.

Actually, most people disagree with your bitching, but are probably too mature to say so. Thankfully, I'm not mature. Stop whining.

Fuck you, too. I'm not whining, nor bitching. I posed a question.

Ahh, ok. So, by immortality, you mean you live on for another generation or so. Or, perhaps, if you're famous, youc oucld even span millenia.

Well, yeah! If you are remembered even a year beyond your own death, you have accomplished much more than millions if not billions could not. I call it immortality because I'm a poet and I get all carried away when I speak of such things.

But nothing will ever be truly immortalised, though there may be an illusion of so.

But illusions and delusions provide hope and comfort for the human race. I hold them so very dear. :D

I would like to establish, by the by, that these are my beliefs, and I am not stating them as facts. I am stating them as conclusions drawn from observations and supposed facts.

*Shrugs* Ditto.

Flaming. How mature.
I LOVE how no one says anything about the posts written against me.

"Vanity, vanity all is vanity.

So, let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter. Fear God and keep His commandments for this is the whole duty of man."

or so said a wise man...

Philosophy, Religion, blah blah blah...
No one has all the answers. No one will know all the answers. It's a worthless cause.
Generally questions end with a ? Or are you as bad as English as you are at debate?

"Vanity, vanity all is vanity.

So, let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter. Fear God and keep His commandments for this is the whole duty of man."

or so said a wise man...

Ecclesiastes, right?
I probably killed that spelling...

I LOVE how no one says anything about the posts written against me.

What does that mean? Are you accusing me of flaming you? Because if you are, I'd like to see proof.

Generally questions end with a ? Or are you as bad as English as you are at debate?

OH LOOK, FLAMING!

Generally questions end with a ? Or are you as bad as English as you are at debate?

Now, now, no need for nitpicking here. ;)

Now, now, no need for nitpicking here. ;)
Haha, nice :D

OH LOOK, FLAMING!
Where's your question then?

Really? Where does chocolate milk reside?

It's an option, but its not the point of life.

I liek chocolate milk though.

Well, yeah! If you are remembered even a year beyond your own death, you have accomplished much more than millions if not billions could not. I call it immortality because I'm a poet and I get all carried away when I speak of such things.
Ahh, ok. Meh, but that really doesn't matter to me. Since if you are remembered at all, you will still die in memory. All that matters, in my opinion, is what happens while you're alive. After that, who gives a shit?

But illusions and delusions provide hope and comfort for the human race. I hold them so very dear. :D
Indeed, sir! Or madam, whichever. However, I try to stip away as many illusions and delusions as possible. Talk about a hopeless cause!

*Shrugs* Ditto.
Eh, I just wanted to make sure that people realised that. A lot of the time, when I start talking about atheism, people say things that cause me to need to say that.

Where's your question then?

In the subject of the thread.

OH LOOK, FLAMING!

[QUOTE=Jenn Jenn Land]Well, 30 + posts would disagree with you asshole.
Take head OUT of rectum.

OH LOOK, FLAMING!

Are you saying it's okay that you flame me because someone else flamed you?

It's an option, but its not the point of life.
An option? What about Ice Cream? Surely, ice cream and pie probably go hand in hand--ice cream helps you feel cool in times of heat, and pie keeps you snuggly warm in times of bitter cold. :)

Ecclesiastes, right?
I probably killed that spelling...


Very good, and correctly spelled as well. The first phrase is repeated several places but the latter is Eccl. 11:13. Eccl. is an interesting book for philosophers.

In the subject of the thread.
Oh my mistake.
There it is:
http://www.ojaiart.org/flauran/images/sfypin.jpg

[quote=Jenn Jenn Land]

OH LOOK, FLAMING!

Are you saying it's okay that you flame me because someone else flamed you?

You indicated that I was bitching.
That's pretty insulting, to me. If you don't want to read this thread, or my "bitching" as you call it, leave the fucking forum.

An option? What about Ice Cream? Surely, ice cream and pie probably go hand in hand--ice cream helps you feel cool in times of heat, and pie keeps you snuggly warm in times of bitter cold. :)
Actually, room temperature is the temerature to ingest anything at. It requires the least amount of energy to be used in order to utilise what is in the substance.

Indeed, sir! Or madam, whichever.
It's madam. And for you... *searches omnipotent mind...* it's sir... right?

You indicated that I was bitching.
That's pretty insulting, to me. If you don't want to read this thread, or my "bitching" as you call it, leave the fucking forum.
You're bitching, he's bitching, she's bitching, I'm bitching, we're all bitching! No need to be bitter about it!

[QUOTE=Sdaeriji]

You indicated that I was bitching.
That's pretty insulting, to me. If you don't want to read this thread, or my "bitching" as you call it, leave the fucking forum.
I don't know what the point of the universe is, but I'm fairly certain bitching doesn't figure into it.

It's madam. And for you... *searches omnipotent mind...* it's sir... right?
By Jove, you've got it right!

[QUOTE=Sdaeriji]

You indicated that I was bitching.
That's pretty insulting, to me. If you don't want to read this thread, or my "bitching" as you call it, leave the fucking forum.

Bitching = whining.

And you know that. And there's a difference. I'm insulted by a lot of things that are said on this forum. But accusing you of whining and you calling me an asshole are different.

[QUOTE=Jenn Jenn Land]
I don't know what the point of the universe is, but I'm fairly certain bitching doesn't figure into it.

Isn't that EXACTLY what you're doing right now?
I'm not wasting any more of my time on this. :mad:

[QUOTE=Arammanar]

Isn't that EXACTLY what you're doing right now?
I'm not wasting any more of my time on this. :mad:
And the universe was at peace.

Bitching = whining.
I think we should just define bitching as awesome, and get over all the flaming.

Actually, room temperature is the temerature to ingest anything at. It requires the least amount of energy to be used in order to utilise what is in the substance.
72*F. Ice cream? yuck!

I think we should just define bitching as awesome, and get over all the flaming.
Stop awesoming.

An option? What about Ice Cream? Surely, ice cream and pie probably go hand in hand--ice cream helps you feel cool in times of heat, and pie keeps you snuggly warm in times of bitter cold. :)

See it's like this:

It's true that our world is filled to the brim with confectionary delights, but we are on a quest for the truth here. We are using philosophy to pare life down to the very essentials to better understand its fundamental nature - which is clearly candy and pie.

The other things you mention, while good, do not fully capture the purpose of life (pie and candy), and therefore, although they enrich our existence immeasurably, we could - if desperate - do without. No-one (at least no sane person) can live without pie and candy.

I hope this clears it up.

I think we should just define bitching as awesome, and get over all the flaming.

YAY! :D

Actually, room temperature is the temerature to ingest anything at. It requires the least amount of energy to be used in order to utilise what is in the substance.

Not in the summer. In the summer frozen ice cream pie is the perfect anodyne to the opressive weather.

Stop awesoming.
Oh come now, you've never heard someone say "bitching" in reference to something being good? Colloquialisms have a tendency to assume many definitions.

And, I would like to establish that, in my experience, tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) is my favourite substance.

Not in the summer. In the summer frozen ice cream pie is the perfect anodyne to the opressive weather.
Oh, yeah! Uh-huh! :D

Not in the summer. In the summer frozen ice cream pie is the perfect anodyne to the opressive weather.
That is imagined. It actually takes more energy to do that then it does if it were lukewarm. But it does indeed feel better to the mind. But, then again, so does drinking sea water when you're dehydrated.

How did a thread about the meaning of philosophy, religion, science, life, etc. become one about the proper temperature to serve ice cream at?

Rhetorical question.


FOOD IS MY OTHER REASON FOR LIVING!

That is imagined. It actually takes more energy to do that then it does if it were lukewarm. But it does indeed feel better to the mind. But, then again, so does drinking sea water when you're dehydrated.


Are you actually suggesting that you can't lower the bodies core temp. by ingesting ice cold food and beverages?

That is imagined. It actually takes more energy to do that then it does if it were lukewarm. But it does indeed feel better to the mind. But, then again, so does drinking sea water when you're dehydrated.
Why should that matter? All that matters is that we have pleased our cravings! :)

Are you actually suggesting that you can't lower the bodies core temp. by ingesting ice cold food and beverages?
No, not really. Because the body has an optimal temperature to work at, and it trys to keep it there. If you ingest something that is 0°C, then the body must make it body temperature before it can be used.

How did a thread about the meaning of philosophy, religion, science, life, etc. become one about the proper temperature to serve ice cream at?
Behold the power of the Mighty Plutonian Empire! :D

No, not really. Because the body has an optimal temperature to work at, and it trys to keep it there. If you ingest something that is 0°C, then the body must make it body temperature before it can be used.


Yes, but in the summer I am hot, and as I live in the US I don't have to worry about the "efficiency" of my food, because there is more than I can eat.

So ice cream pies cool me down. (They do make you cooler being icy fresh :) )

And that it a good thing.

Could you explain what teleological nihilism is? I know what teleology is--kind of--and I definitely know what nihilism is, but I don't know what exactly you mean.

Well, to be honest I sort of made it up. Teleology is the study of the ultimate end or goal (telos) of the universe. You say you already know what nihilism is, so just put the two together. Unless I'm using one of the terms really incorrectly you should get something along the lines of "The belief that no ultimate end or goal exists."

Apologies for posting something on-topic.

Philosophy, Religion, blah blah blah...
No one has all the answers. No one will know all the answers. It's a worthless cause.
:headbang:

No one has all the answers or can for that matter, this is true. You've just gotta believe what you think is right.

After reading through the first page of this thread, the logical response would be, "What does philosophy have to do with religion?"

It is impossible to separate the two forms to arrive at an answer. Oddly enough, religion provides the answers that philosophy demands.

I am not asking anyone to embrace a spiritual mode over a philosophical mode, the two modes actually go hand-in-hand. So, where is the problem? :)

Well, to be honest I sort of made it up. Teleology is the study of the ultimate end or goal (telos) of the universe. You say you already know what nihilism is, so just put the two together. Unless I'm using one of the terms really incorrectly you should get something along the lines of "The belief that no ultimate end or goal exists."
Ahh, thank you, that makes more sense. Teleology is typically considered the study of purpose or the study of final causes. It is more accuratly dervied from the Greek teleos, "perfect or complete", which comes from telos, "end or result". And then, of course, there is -logia, "the study of", dervied from logos, "word". Perhaps telic nihilism would be a more accurate combination of words for what you mean?

Yeah, perhaps. I never was good at the whole combinating (:D) of words thing.

Philosophy, Religion, blah blah blah...
No one has all the answers.
I do. :)

Look no further than me for all your answers. I, the descendant of Alexander the Great, know all. Not that I like to brag....but its a fact. Depressed? I can fix that. Philosophical? You won't be after I tell you all there is to know. Cynical? I will provide optimism by the bundle.

All you need to do is call 1-800-IAM-GREAT and i will get to your questions as quick as i can. Go and rest your head now, with the knowledge that I am smarter than you.

:D

This question often bothers me, that of “what’s the point or ends of philosophy?” To begin, Plato and Aristotle often addressed the Sophists (a group that taught rhetoric and claimed that “man is the measure of all things”) attempting to demonstrate why their notions were wrong and often doing a good job of it. We have logic and the hypothesis (if I’m not mistaken) as a result. Also philosophy often attempts to understand the reality of situations, this understanding of reality is meant to give us insight into what is good. Also philosophy often attempts to give us a measure to gauge what is right and wrong true and false. I believe it is a misconception that philosophy often come to not conclusive results, one must remember that most, if not all scientific principles and methods which we have come to know were of philosophers and there philosophizing. The scientific revolution was led by the great modern philosophers, Descartes Lock, Newton etc. The philosophy is in response to the “fuck it” mentality, philosopher, philosophize because they want a way to know when their getting lied to, how to maintain society, and develop understanding of true morality. All you need to do is read it and you see it ends. Its to understand what is true so to measure what is right. Science is ultimately philosophy, if you live as a human you must think and come to understand your you’ll be lost and not be capable of anything.

Science is ultimately philosophy if you be able to live you must think and come to understand your you’ll be lost and not be capable of anything.
But not once did you discuss what the "point" is.

But not once did you discuss what the "point" is.

Often i've interporated philosophical texts as attempting to establish the right or true way to live. I cant remember who said this but its relavent to my point “man will continue will explore, and so he will go until he reaches the end, upon which he will return to where he started and truly know the place for the first time.” -Someone

The point, as I see it, is to understand what is true, then live by you understanding of it.

How did a thread about the meaning of philosophy, religion, science, life, etc. become one about the proper temperature to serve ice cream at?
Yeah, I mean, come on!
I'm usually the one that accidentally killinates everybody's threads.

Yeah, I mean, come on!
I'm usually the one that accidentally killinates everybody's threads.

like you just did there?

No wait. This didn't turn out right, since I responded to it.

Ah, crap!
Also I think I may have responded within the minute or thereabouts so there's no way to see if you have killed it.

like you just did there?

No wait. This didn't turn out right, since I responded to it.

Ah, crap!
Also I think I may have responded within the minute or thereabouts so there's no way to see if you have killed it.
Actually, it was me who killed it, when I mentioned ice cream for the first time.

like you just did there?

No wait. This didn't turn out right, since I responded to it.

Ah, crap!
Also I think I may have responded within the minute or thereabouts so there's no way to see if you have killed it.
No, usually I end up talking about something like, well...
anything with no point.

Like last time I ended up ranting about Flying-Jesusmon.

No, usually I end up talking about something like, well...
anything with no point.

Like last time I ended up ranting about Flying-Jesusmon.


Wow. That's quite a gift.
Eh... on topic.

Aristotle! Socrates! Symphonium and Apology! Plato! Nihilistic desires and quandrophilanthropic dictates! Stoicism and Logic!

The republic and the academy!
There we go. that's me spouted enough philosophical nonsense to prove how well versed I am in the whole field, and none of it sounds forced.

Waitasecond. Flying. Jesusmon.
What?

Waitasecond. Flying. Jesusmon.
What?
Well, somebody tried to put me down because I was a threat to myself and others. They said I was "beyond salvation".
But Jesus saves!
I CHOOSE YOU, FLYING JESUSMON!!!

Well, somebody tried to put me down because I was a threat to myself and others. They said I was "beyond salvation".
But Jesus saves!
I CHOOSE YOU, FLYING JESUSMON!!!



Oh... I get it. This probably isn't the best time in the world for me to be getting into a conversation quite as random as thiis, given how erraticly I'm thinking at the moment (I say, thinking erratically, I actually mean I've drank too much fizzy juice and I'm too embarassed to admit that I'm hyper from sugar. It doesn't count if it's in brackets.)

Eh... yes anyway.

Flying Jesusmon does save. And I'm tempted to make some kind of photoshopped flying jesusmon, but I'm hampered by a lack of photoshop and skill, or whatever. Damnit.... I still can't seperate red from black.

Beyond salvation? That's not very nice. I trust you dispensed aquatic justice in the form of a fish to the face?

quandrophilanthropic dictates
And what would those be? I've never heard the word quandrophilanthropic before.

And what would those be? I've never heard the word quandrophilanthropic before.

That's because I made it up. I can't even remember what philanthropy is at the moment. Acts of selflessness (or as close as one could be?) or a selfless nature?

I'm not sure I remember, remember.


Quandrophilanthropic dictates is nonsense, though.