NationStates Jolt Archive

And Mexico while we're at it. It would end the problems with illegal immigration, allow the US to maintain defensible borders, stop the incessant whining coming down from up north, make us undeniably multicultural... The benefits are endless. What do you say?

It's too cold there.

I say it should go the other way around, and Canada should annex us and Mexico.

That would lower our national IQ - leave that to Alberta, they're doing a fine job! :D

And Mexico while we're at it. It would end the problems with illegal immigration, allow the US to maintain defensible borders, stop the incessant whining coming down from up north, make us undeniably multicultural... The benfits are endless. What do you say?
I like! Not so sure about Mexico, but if we had Canadian voters involved, we could get the Repugnants out of office!

Well *you* wouldn't have to live there. That is what the Canadian-Americans are for, of course.

You wish.

Aagh! No! We're genetically programmed to find anything that sounds remotely like the Monroe Doctrine and 'Manifest Destiny' to be repugnant.

Stay away! Stay away! [holds hands up before her with fingers in shape of a cross and back slowly towars the nearest exit]

Annex the world and there's no illegal immigrant problem

I like! Not so sure about Mexico, but if we had Canadian voters involved, we could get the Repugnants out of office!
Yeah, then Congress and the Senate would be filled with democrats and independants.

I like! Not so sure about Mexico, but if we had Canadian voters involved, we could get the Repugnants out of office!
Better yet, if Canada annexed us we woudn't have to bother getting them out of office!

I think I like Canada and Mexico right where they are. :)

Annex the world and there's no illegal immigrant problem
That's your solution to everything! :D

Great idea! You could call it "Canadanschluss".

And Mexico while we're at it. It would end the problems with illegal immigration, allow the US to maintain defensible borders, stop the incessant whining coming down from up north, make us undeniably multicultural... The benefits are endless. What do you say?

Annex a democratic nation like canada eh, what the matter, is it not enugh for american students to wear the Canadian flag while traveling to keep safe? Hands off my maple leaf.

That would lower our national IQ - leave that to Alberta, they're doing a fine job! :D

whoa settle down hippie
LEAFS SUX

whoa settle down hippie
LEAFS SUX

Was that just a cheap attempt at a cheap shot at the whole country, or a misguided burn at the Toronto Maple Leafs? If the former, stow it. If the latter, I'm sending Ed Belfour to ruin your ACLs.

That's your solution to everything! :D
uhm....noooo :rolleyes:

Hmm...I say this...

Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Mass., Conneticut, Rhode Island, New York, Washington State, Oregon and California secceed to Canada, Canada gives Quebec to the United States, and Canada becomes the United Provinces of Canada and Quebec and the rest of the US becomes Jesusland.

WOOOT!!! XD

That would lower our national IQ - leave that to Alberta, they're doing a fine job!


whoa settle down hippie
LEAFS SUX

Okay, I know you're joking, and I'm not in the habit of defending Jayastan ;) but give Alberta a break - their education system is the best in Canada right now - or at least in the OECD's latest report, 15-yr-old Albertan students ranked amongst the highest in the world for reading, math, and science and ahead of all the other Canadian provinces (who incidentally, all did very, very well compared to pretty much all the OECD countries. Except PEI, and that might be because the sampling is so small.)

And the Leafs do suck! :D

Hmm...I say this...

Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Mass., Conneticut, Rhode Island, New York, Washington State, Oregon and California secceed to Canada, Canada gives Quebec to the United States, and Canada becomes the United Provinces of Canada and Quebec and the rest of the US becomes Jesusland.

WOOOT!!! XD


EXCELLENT IDEA!!!

i dont think they would take quebec though, perhaps it can just GO on its own and become the 3rd world country it dreams of being...

Okay, I know you're joking, and I'm not in the habit of defending Jayastan ;) but give Alberta a break - their education system is the best in Canada right now - or at least in the OECD's latest report, 15-yr-old Albertan students ranked amongst the highest in the world for reading, math, and science and ahead of all the other Canadian provinces (who incidentally, all did very, very well compared to pretty much all the OECD countries. Except PEI, and that might be because the sampling is so small.)

And the Leafs do suck! :D


True, I am also in favour of spending much more money on education here so we can become so smart; we can crush your puny T.O brains with oil fueled brain shock waves...

EXCELLENT IDEA!!!

i dont think they would take quebec though, perhaps it can just on its own and become the 3rd world country it dreams of being...

See, this is the reason I don't normally defend Jayastan.

My Canada includes Quebec!

(But yes, our relationship could use a lot of work.)

@Ciryar

Thats the most absurd idea ever!!! BWWAAA HAHAHAHAHA!!!!

seriously - you should go into comedy..

'Manifest Destiny' Pfffffftttt

Your army would come up, get stoned, forget why they came, and then go home smiling with a newfound passion for maple syrup, beavers and beer.

Either that or we would be offended, and burn your White House down just like the last time you invaded Canada. :p

Okay, I know you're joking, and I'm not in the habit of defending Jayastan ;) but give Alberta a break - their education system is the best in Canada right now - or at least in the OECD's latest report, 15-yr-old Albertan students ranked amongst the highest in the world for reading, math, and science and ahead of all the other Canadian provinces (who incidentally, all did very, very well compared to pretty much all the OECD countries. Except PEI, and that might be because the sampling is so small.)

And the Leafs do suck! :D

i have a sneaking susspision that alberta like the former conservative government of ontario designed major tests that school would have to score higly on or face reprecussions. This way the schools teach kids how to pass these tests specifically, and gives the Conservativ governments bragging rights when all they've done is teach kids how to be coached into faking a grade.

See, this is the reason I don't normally defend Jayastan.

My Canada includes Quebec!

(But yes, our relationship could use a lot of work.)

NOTE TO SELF: cut off fat transfer payments to quebec or let ontario pay for quebec and alberta will pay for the rest of the country...

Better yet, if Canada annexed us we woudn't have to bother getting them out of office!
Hmm... good point!

And maybe Quebec could migrate south... somewhere warmer, like Virginia.

whoa settle down hippie
LEAFS SUX
Hey! Don't insult my favourite team! I don't insult yours. Heck, I was cheering for the Oilers and the Flames (I like all the Canadian teams - except for the Sens).

And I ain't no long haired hippie! ^_^ Geez, I was only kidding, that's why I used the smiley.

i have a sneaking susspision that alberta like the former conservative government of ontario designed major tests that school would have to score higly on or face reprecussions. This way the schools teach kids how to pass these tests specifically, and gives the Conservativ governments bragging rights when all they've done is teach kids how to be coached into faking a grade.


This retarded post deserves FIVE :
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


I saw those results as well, how do we coach kids to pass math + science?hmmmm perhaps teach them how to solve the problems. LOL

Hey! Don't insult my favourite team! I don't insult yours. Heck, I was cheering for the Oilers and the Flames (I like all the Canadian teams - except for the Sens).

And I ain't no long haired hippie! ^_^ Geez, I was only kidding, that's why I used the smiley.


i know dude, but the leafs still suck.

NOTE TO SELF: cut off fat transfer payments to quebec or let ontario pay for quebec and alberta will pay for the rest of the country...
No kidding. These two provinces are keeping the rest of trhe country afloat - damned equalised payments!!

i have a sneaking susspision that alberta like the former conservative government of ontario designed major tests that school would have to score higly on or face reprecussions. This way the schools teach kids how to pass these tests specifically, and gives the Conservativ governments bragging rights when all they've done is teach kids how to be coached into faking a grade.

Nopers, this wasn't about standardized testing or the normal grades they got in school. These tests were created by the OECD analysts (the top economic countries, I don't remember what it stands for), translated into the appropriate languages, and distributed to all the schools willing to participate. There's no way Alberta or anyone else could have studied up specifically for those tests.

@Ciryar

Thats the most absurd idea ever!!! BWWAAA HAHAHAHAHA!!!!

seriously - you should go into comedy..

'Manifest Destiny' Pfffffftttt

Your army would come up, get stoned, forget why they came, and then go home smiling with a newfound passion for maple syrup, beavers and beer.

Either that or we would be offended, and burn your White House down just like the last time you invaded Canada. :pActually, *shhhh* I was joking. (Originally I wrote *shhh* it was a joke, but I thought that could be misunderstood) But your comedy is far better, don't sell yourself short. You? Burn down our White House? Remember that was the British, and if there were any Canadians there, they were Red Ensign Canadians, whom I like a great deal. Anyway, your military is smaller than the New York City Police department. Heck, the 5th period karate class from Syracuse High school could probably stop your entire armed forces and still get back in time for honors English. Keep dreaming, buddy.

Nopers, this wasn't about standardized testing or the normal grades they got in school. These tests were created by the OECD analysts (the top economic countries, I don't remember what it stands for), translated into the appropriate languages, and distributed to all the schools willing to participate. There's no way Alberta or anyone else could have studied up specifically for those tests.

OK, but stadadized testing is a joke.

i know dude, but the leafs still suck.
Can't we compromise? :( I like the two Alberta teams...can't you be indifferent to the Leafs and hate the Sens instead? :D

Actually, *shhhh* I was joking. (Originally I wrote *shhh* it was a joke, but I thought that could be misunderstood) But your comedy is far better, don't sell yourself short. You? Burn down our White House? Remember that was the British, and if there were any Canadians there, they were Red Ensign Canadians, whom I like a great deal. Anyway, your military is smaller than the New York City Police department. Heck, the 5th period karate class from Syracuse High school could probably stop your entire armed forces and still get back in time for honors English. Keep dreaming, buddy.
I thought you liked our humor? :p = me laughing

try it sometime!! see... :p

(PS, I realize it was a joke!) ... :p

Actually, *shhhh* I was joking. (Originally I wrote *shhh* it was a joke, but I thought that could be misunderstood) But your comedy is far better, don't sell yourself short. You? Burn down our White House? Remember that was the British, and if there were any Canadians there, they were Red Ensign Canadians, whom I like a great deal. Anyway, your military is smaller than the New York City Police department. Heck, the 5th period karate class from Syracuse High school could probably stop your entire armed forces and still get back in time for honors English. Keep dreaming, buddy.


wars canada has lost: ZERO

USA: 2 + counting

I do agree however, our military is in a sad state of affairs and we need to rebuild it.

I thought you liked our humor? :p = me laughing

try it sometime!! see... :p

(PS, I realize it was a joke!) ... :p
I am laughing. :)
But wait, Canadians have humor? :p

The Canada border is very easy to protect, if you want to make it easy to protect your borders in the south you just need to invade mexico to Tehuantepec.

I am laughing. :)
But wait, Canadians have humor? :p
*in an outrageous french accent...*
Oui!!! :p

wars canada has lost: ZERO

USA: 2 + counting

I do agree however, our military is in a sad state of affairs and we need to rebuild it.
2? It depends how you count, but Vietnam could be one, and I can't think of another. Plus, how many have you guys fought? We've been in several dozen, and we've invaded other countries hundreds of times. We even militarily occupied China for a hundred years! It's like boxing, sometimes you get hit hard, but you have to come back. Seriously though, like I said, I like the Red Ensign Canadians, the good guys wouldn't have won WWII without them. I wish they would come back.

2? It depends how you count, but Vietnam could be one, and I can't think of another. Plus, how many have you guys fought? We've been in several dozen, and we've invaded other countries hundreds of times. We even militarily occupied China for a hundred years! It's like boxing, sometimes you get hit hard, but you have to come back. Seriously though, like I said, I like the Red Ensign Canadians, the good guys wouldn't have won WWII without them. I wish they would come back.

Dude, you're knocking the Maple Leaf. I'm not too sure you're gonna get any loving from any Canadian over that one.

2? It depends how you count, but Vietnam could be one, and I can't think of another. Plus, how many have you guys fought? We've been in several dozen, and we've invaded other countries hundreds of times. We even militarily occupied China for a hundred years! It's like boxing, sometimes you get hit hard, but you have to come back. Seriously though, like I said, I like the Red Ensign Canadians, the good guys wouldn't have won WWII without them. I wish they would come back.


um... that's NOT a good thing that you have been in dozens of wars k thankz, unless you like it when people die? do you? :p

um... that's NOT a good thing that you have been in dozens of wars k thankz, unless you like it when people die? do you? :p
Nobody likes it when people die, it was a comparison of odds.

Dude, you're knocking the Maple Leaf. I'm not too sure you're gonna get any loving from any Canadian over that one.
Heheh. I don't mind the flag, you guys have a very distinctive one, that is for sure. It is the attitude shift symbolized by the change of flag that I mind.

Nobody likes it when people die, it was a comparison of odds.
Yeah, but in a war with Canada, we'd just revive the spirit of good ol' John A and do as he did when he wanted the US to sign something, get everybody drunk on Canadian whiskey and have a good old time. (nice to think our founding father was a lush eh!)... no one would die - well, unless you can actually die of laughter!

What do you say! Lets make it a social event! :p

US should annex Canada, but on our terms, so bloody military governors or rounding up political opponents.

2? It depends how you count, but Vietnam could be one, and I can't think of another. Plus, how many have you guys fought? We've been in several dozen, and we've invaded other countries hundreds of times. We even militarily occupied China for a hundred years! It's like boxing, sometimes you get hit hard, but you have to come back. Seriously though, like I said, I like the Red Ensign Canadians, the good guys wouldn't have won WWII without them. I wish they would come back.

nam and the war of 1812, and soon to be three with iraq as no one not even the states can win non conventional wars.

Hmm...I say this...

Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Mass., Conneticut, Rhode Island, New York, Washington State, Oregon and California secceed to Canada, Canada gives Quebec to the United States, and Canada becomes the United Provinces of Canada and Quebec and the rest of the US becomes Jesusland.

WOOOT!!! XD

You can't have New York. We'd become our own country if you would try to annex us.

:upyours:*Flips off Canada, and all other states in the US*

:upyours:*double deuces everyone else*:upyours: Hah!

nam and the war of 1812, and soon to be three with iraq as no one not even the states can win non conventional wars.
The War of 1812? Lost? Forgive me for reminding you, but we actually came out a bit ahead in that one. The Brits made territorial concessions to us, and they stopped kidnapping our sailors off American merchant vessels. Other than those points, I admit it was a bit of a draw, but we certainly didn't lose. As for your second point, you forget that we won an unconventional war in Afganistan, and we won one earlier in the Philippines...It just takes time and dedication.

The War of 1812? Lost? Forgive me for reminding you, but we actually came out a bit ahead in that one. The Brits made territorial concessions to us, and they stopped kidnapping our sailors off American merchant vessels. Other than those points, I admit it was a bit of a draw, but we certainly didn't lose. As for your second point, you forget that we won an unconventional war in Afganistan, and we won one earlier in the Philippines...It just takes time and dedication.


You won in afganistan? Its controled by warlords. If they wanted you out, you would be out.

As for the philippines, i dont remember the US having large amounts of soldiers in that neck of the woods, perhaps your taking abotu the brutal war waged by the philippines whose government was supported by the states...

in 1812, the usa invaded canada, was beaten back by british and canadian troops. The white house and buffalo were burnt down. Ya thats a win :rolleyes:

Land-bridge to Alaska, here we come!

The "lower 48"? Heck no! Let's have the "Grand 63"!
(48 + Alaska + Hawaii+13)

The blue field would get busy looking! (Esp. w/ the fleur de lis for Quebec...) :D

You won in afganistan? Its controled by warlords. If they wanted you out, you would be out.

As for the philippines, i dont remember the US having large amounts of soldiers in that neck of the woods, perhaps your taking abotu the brutal war waged by the philippines whose government was supported by the states...

in 1812, the usa invaded canada, was beaten back by british and canadian troops. The white house and buffalo were burnt down. Ya thats a win :rolleyes:

And we beat them back out if you recall. Jeez, make a few attacks on a few cities and you think you won the whole damn war. The war was ended by mutual treaty. Came out as a draw with us getting most of what we wanted. I think its big of us to call it a draw instead of a win. We set out to topple the Taliban in Afhanistan. Did that.

And we beat them back out if you recall. Jeez, make a few attacks on a few cities and you think you won the whole damn war. Came out as a draw with us getting most of what we wanted. I think its big of us to call it a draw instead of a win. We set out to topple the Taliban in Afhanistan. Did that.
With the help of an international coalition.

With the help of an international coalition.

I was just countering jaya who said Afghanistan hadn't been won at all.

And we beat them back out if you recall. Jeez, make a few attacks on a few cities and you think you won the whole damn war. The war was ended by mutual treaty. Came out as a draw with us getting most of what we wanted. I think its big of us to call it a draw instead of a win. We set out to topple the Taliban in Afhanistan. Did that.

No, you did not 'beat them back out". The combined Brit and Canadian forces withdrew without occupying the place (geez, it's not like Canada wanted Washington, they just wanted to stop the US from invading), everyone signed some treaties, and everybody went home.

whoa settle down hippie
LEAFS SUX
Yes, the leafs do suck.

Go sens!

We set out to topple the Taliban in Afhanistan. Did that.
and here i thought the point was to catch osama bin laden.

No, you did not 'beat them back out". The combined Brit and Canadian forces withdrew without occupying the place (geez, it's not like Canada wanted Washington, they just wanted to stop the US from invading), everyone signed some treaties, and everybody went home.

Beside the point. Wins/losses on both sides. And as you said, treaties signed, we got what we wanted (save for the hawks) , everybody went home. Sounds like a draw to me.

in 1812, the usa invaded canada, was beaten back by british and canadian troops. The white house and buffalo were burnt down. Ya thats a win :rolleyes:

In 1939 Great Britain issued an ultimatum to Germany, saying they would declare war on Germany if Germany invaded Poland. Germany invaded Poland. London was bombed to shambles and Portsmouth, Southampton, Bristol, Cardiff, Swansea, Coventry, Birmingham, Newcastle, Hull, Sheffield, Liverpool, and Manchester all suffered greatly. Ya thats a win :rolleyes:

You confuse the campaign for the war my friend.

Annex Canada, but deny them voting rights until they can be deprogrammed of their liberal brainwashing. Economically, it is a win-win for both nations.

and here i thought the point was to catch osama bin laden.

That was an objective of an operation. We fought that particular war in Afghanistan against the Taliban and their supporters and wiped the floor with them. Hence winning against them. Just because he got away doesn't change that.

Annex Canada, but deny them voting rights until they can be deprogrammed of their liberal brainwashing. Economically, it is a win-win for both nations.

I still stand for my New York secedes from the US and then gives the whole world the finger plan. :D :upyours: :D

In 1939 Great Britain issued an ultimatum to Germany, saying they would declare war on Germany if Germany invaded Poland. Germany invaded Poland. London was bombed to shambles and Portsmouth, Southampton, Bristol, Cardiff, Swansea, Coventry, Birmingham, Newcastle, Hull, Sheffield, Liverpool, and Manchester all suffered greatly.

You confuse the campaign for the war my friend.

what the fuck are you talking about? 1812 not WWII.

Beside the point. Wins/losses on both sides. And as you said, treaties signed, we got what we wanted (save for the hawks) , everybody went home. Sounds like a draw to me.

That's the crux of the argument. Did everyone get what they wanted? The US invaded Canada. The Canadians wanted the US to leave them alone. The Canadians definitely got what they wanted. The US got to keep what they already had - but didn't get what they wanted. If the US had wanted to keep the status quo, they wouldn't have invaded in the first place.

Yes, technically it could be considered a draw. But if that were true, you lot would stop considering Laura Secord to be a traitor and consider her a heroic woman who put her life on the line to prevent needless deaths in a needless war.

That was an objective of an operation. We fought that particular war in Afghanistan against the Taliban and their supporters and wiped the floor with them. Hence winning against them. Just because he got away doesn't change that.



The taliban ran away yes. Still think warlords who grow dope, which fuels terrorists, are still in control of the country, but whatever semantics i guess right? :rolleyes:

what the fuck are you talking about? 1812 not WWII.

I was making a comparison if you could open your eyes enough to see it. I was parralelling what you said with that so that you could more easily see the backlessnes of your argument. Just because we lost the campaign in Canada (and London lost the air raids so to speak) does not mean that we lost the war.

Just because we lost the campaign in Canada does not mean that we lost the war.

What other campaign was there in the War of 1812?

I was making a comparison if you could open your eyes enough to see it. I was parralelling what you said with that so that you could more easily see the backlessnes of your argument. Just because we lost the campaign in Canada (and London lost the air raids so to speak) does not mean that we lost the war.


a) what is " backlessnes " :rolleyes:

b) london won the battle of britain

c) the war of 1812 was lost by the USA as they were the ones who started it and were beaten back

d) again what the fuck are you talking about?

From what i remember of the war of 1812 the deciding factor was the brits burning down the white house which pretty much ended the war. On everything else, people in ontario practicly welcomed the yankees in the beginning with yankees taking windsor and marching north from there. Canada completely lost the battle of the great lakes which led to the yanks sacking toronto. The tide turned when canada beat the US who just chickened out because of the cold when trying to attack Montreal, then canada won the battle at Niagara Falls and Cornwall, then burnt down the white house, that is how I think the war played out.

That's the crux of the argument. Did everyone get what they wanted? The US invaded Canada. The Canadians wanted the US to leave them alone. The Canadians definitely got what they wanted. The US got to keep what they already had - but didn't get what they wanted. If the US had wanted to keep the status quo, they wouldn't have invaded in the first place.

Yes, technically it could be considered a draw. But if that were true, you lot would stop considering Laura Secord to be a traitor and consider her a heroic woman who put her life on the line to prevent needless deaths in a needless war.

Actually the issue of our ships being respected at sea was a key change in the status quo in the US's favor, and was the major reason for the war. So there we accomplished what we set out to do. Taking Canada was just a bonus that the hawks wanted. The War of 1812 was necessary by the way. It forced Europe (especially Britain) to recognize the US as a legitimate sovereign nation and to respect it as a power in its own part of the world. So ya, a necessary step in the US's growth as a nation. Same conclusion as you. The war was a draw, and that is all I'm saying on the matter.

This thread has gotten way off topic, so I'll steer it back on. I say it MIGHT be a good idea for Canada, US, and Mexico merging. It would make sense to remain being called the United States of America though. If the EU can do it, why can't we?

I'm off for an hour or so, so don't expect a reply.

Actually the issue of our ships being respected at sea was a key change in the status quo in the US's favor, and was the major reason for the war. So there we accomplished what we set out to do. Taking Canada was just a bonus that the hawks wanted. The War of 1812 was necessary by the way. It forced Europe (especially Britain) to recognize the US as a legitimate sovereign nation and to respect it as a power in its own part of the world. So ya, a necessary step in the US's growth as a nation.

True that but that doesnt mean the USA won the war, they just gained recognition. Not unlike canada in WWI...

Actually the issue of our ships being respected at sea was a key change in the status quo in the US's favor, and was the major reason for the war. So there we accomplished what we set out to do. Taking Canada was just a bonus that the hawks wanted. The War of 1812 was necessary by the way. It forced Europe (especially Britain) to recognize the US as a legitimate sovereign nation and to respect it as a power in its own part of the world. So ya, a necessary step in the US's growth as a nation.

Fair enough. I grant you that. It's a Canadian fault to ignore the shipping issues of the time - to us the important thing was that we kept the US from claiming Upper and Lower Canada.

Annex Canada, but deny them voting rights until they can be deprogrammed of their liberal brainwashing. Economically, it is a win-win for both nations.
except that your dollar's sinking quickly while ours is doing ok.

Fair enough. I grant you that. It's a Canadian fault to ignore the shipping issues of the time - to us the important thing was that we kept the US from claiming Upper and Lower Canada.
and the burning the whitehouse thing too.

ah, good times. :)

A lot of people on here need to get their facts straight.

1. The British burnt down the White House, not the Canadians! Why do Canadians take such great pride in something they didn't do.

2. The reason for the British burning the capitol was because the US had already burnt down the British capitol, York.

3. The burning of the White House was not the main event of the War of 1812, that would be the Battle of New Orleans. The US won that one.

Although the war was a draw, it is generally agreed that the US came out ahead. They proved that they could defeat the most powerful nation at the time and showed the world that America was not going anywhere.

The US got their national anthem from the war and one of its biggest heroes, Andrew Jackson would later become President.

After the War of 1812, the US entered the "Era of Good Feelings." Nationalism was at its peak and Americans were proud of their country.

I'd suggest you watch "The War of 1812: America's Re-Declaration of Independence" on the History Channel sometime.

All hail the US version of the war.

It weren't all the Brits, baby. They were much busier fighting Napoleon during 1812 than they were the US. Yes, they sent troops, but the bulk of the forces were Canadian.

All hail the US version of the war.

It weren't all the Brits, baby. They were much busier fighting Napoleon during 1812 than they were the US. Yes, they sent troops, but the bulk of the forces were Canadian.

Uh, you know that the war didn't just last into 1812 right? It ended in 1814.

You also realize that the forces the British sent to the US was the largest invasion force ever at the time?

Also Canadians weren't Canadian at the time. They were British citizens.

Uh, you know that the war didn't just last into 1812 right? It ended in 1814.

You also realize that the forces the British sent to the US was the largest invasion force ever at the time?

Also Canadians weren't Canadian at the time. They were British citizens.

We're aware of when we became Canadians. And the Napoleonic Wars lasted until 1815, so what's your point? The invasion force the 'British' sent was primarly made up of British subjects residing in Canada (and natives) - thus, Canadians.

The same way the British fought the British during the War of Independence. We know that many of those British later became Americans, but at the time they were still British. Yet no one argues that their troops weren't American.

The same way the British fought the British during the War of Independence. We know that many of those British later became Americans, but at the time they were still British. Yet no one argues that their troops weren't American.Technically, they weren't British subjects after 1776, at least in their own eyes. Canada never really rebelled on the scale the US did, and plus that's where all the loyalists went anyway, so it isn't like they considered themselves "Canadian" in 1815. Quite a contrast with the bull-headed southern neighbors you all have.

We're aware of when we became Canadians. And the Napoleonic Wars lasted until 1815, so what's your point? The invasion force the 'British' sent was primarly made up of British subjects residing in Canada (and natives) - thus, Canadians.

The same way the British fought the British during the War of Independence. We know that many of those British later became Americans, but at the time they were still British. Yet no one argues that their troops weren't American.

No, the invasion force came from Britain, not Canada. As I said earlier, it was the largest invasion force ever mobilized at the time.

Check out this link: Its a short summary of the war.

Technically, they weren't British subjects after 1776, at least in their own eyes. Canada never really rebelled on the scale the US did, and plus that's where all the loyalists went anyway, so it isn't like they considered themselves "Canadian" in 1815. Quite a contrast with the bull-headed southern neighbors you all have.

My only point is that to the other nations they were still considered American. And yes, technically, we were British subjects in 1815, but honestly, many did consider themselves to be Canadian. I grant you, we did not have our own PM for decades yet, but still, just because we were loyalists didn't mean we weren't also Canadian.

Dammit. I thought I had ended this arugment. The War of 1812 was a draw. We got what we wanted and you kept your territory. Enough! The original question is if the US, Canada, and Mexico should become one. Opinions on that? I think it COULD work. It would certainly be better than NAFTA.

Dammit. I thought I had ended this arugment. The War of 1812 was a draw. We got what we wanted and you kept your territory. Enough! The original question is if the US, Canada, and Mexico should become one. Opinions on that? I think it COULD work. It would certainly be better than NAFTA.
Indeed. And the annexation, with the superiority of US law, would allow the environmental protection of the Gulf of California, and the clean-up of the travesty that is Mexico City (and the rest of that country), and include the addition of sanity to Canadian lumber operations. We might actually preserve some of the boreal forest before they clear cut it all. Plus it would just be really cool.

(A man in a suit sits at a desk in the middle of a field)

And now for something completely different...

(At the UN General Assembly...)
Head of Assembly: What say you Mr. American ambassador?

American Ambassador: (gets up) FUCK CANADA! (flips off Canadian PM)

Canadian PM: Hey Fuck you too budday! (flips off)

Canadian Minister of Movies: This is not aboot diplomacy this is aboot dignity...

Americans: hahahahhahhah.

Canadian PM: Stop That!

Ambassador: I'm sorry. What did you say this was all ABOUT?

Canadian PM: This is aboot dignity. Aboot respect for our citizens.

Americans: hahahhahahhaha

Canadian PM: You guys are dicks. Release Terrence and Phillip or we'll really give you something to cry aboot!

Americans: hahhhahah

-All the arguments between Americans and Candadians here...just had to get it out of my system. :D

How would a merger between the US, Canada, and Mexico be pulled off though. Should we follow the EU model only more closely knit? A single government/law? Or would it simply be quicker if we 'annexed' you?

There is no fucking way I'm gonna be run by some Yankee government. Canada is it's own nation and I would fight anyone who tried to take rule over it. Take Mexico if you want, but be warned if you turned north. And I would never submit to foreign rule, so I'd be Canada's equivalent of the Iraqi Militants. (I hope this wasn't a joke or something because I'll look like an ass then)

Honestly, you would probably be killed rather quickly if you tried anything. Would you be more willing to a merger between the three nations on equal terms? It could be called the 'United States of America' because it would still be true.

Honestly, you would probably be killed rather quickly if you tried anything. Would you be more willing to a merger between the three nations of equal terms? It could be called the 'United States of America' because it would still be true.


The hell they'd be equal. The Americans could kick the shit out of us and the Mexicans if they wanted to and there would be no one to stop them. I'm not anti-American as long as they stay out of my country.

I was referring to a merger fulfilled diplomatically.

I was referring to a merger fulfilled diplomatically.



I still don't like it. We are an independent nation and I'd prefer it stay that way.

There is no fucking way I'm gonna be run by some Yankee government. Canada is it's own nation and I would fight anyone who tried to take rule over it. Take Mexico if you want, but be warned if you turned north. And I would never submit to foreign rule, so I'd be Canada's equivalent of the Iraqi Militants. (I hope this wasn't a joke or something because I'll look like an ass then)
The thread was mostly started as a joke but actually, I admire your patriotism. However, I wouldn't compare myself to the Iraqi militants if I were you. Their motives are not so pure or admirable, and I hope, even if you were resisting invasion, that you wouldn't be beheading aid workers and selling the tapes to Al-Ja-uffda or whatever the equivalent would be. However, that is a topic for another thread.

I still don't like it. We are an independent nation and I'd prefer it stay that way.
I agree!

And I won't be fighting back with no hockey stick. I'm going to get my hands on one huge-ass gun if the Americans ever try to annex us! And screw the gun registry!

And screw the gun registry!This is convenient. Suddenly you realize why guns are a good thing. Hmmmm.

I agree!

And I won't be fighting back with no hockey stick. I'm going to get my hands on one huge-ass gun if the Americans ever try to annex us! And screw the gun registry!
I plan on fighting back with a doobie, we can get them all stoned on BC bud and they'll be too happy and high to want to fight anymore.

I plan on fighting back with a doobie, we can get them all stoned on BC bud and they'll be too happy and high to want to fight anymore.
That also sounds like a plan! :D

The thread was mostly started as a joke but actually, I admire your patriotism. However, I wouldn't compare myself to the Iraqi militants if I were you. Their motives are not so pure or admirable, and I hope, even if you were resisting invasion, that you wouldn't be beheading aid workers and selling the tapes to Al-Ja-uffda or whatever the equivalent would be. However, that is a topic for another thread.


I was more referring to the incovience the militants put the army though. I would take prisoners if necessary but no execution.

That also sounds like a plan! :D
Its the one that going to work too! ... If I can remember it... *tokes* :D

Its the one that going to work too! ... If I can remember it... *tokes* :D
No dude! One of us needs to remember that! *swips Mary J and runs off and hides in the corner*

No dude! One of us needs to remember that! *swips Mary J and runs off and hides in the corner*
Dude! Where's my car? :confused:

Um, sure. Only Canada gets to KEEP Quebec. Quebec is one of my favourite things about Canada. The US can't have Alberta, either. We need their cattle and their oil.

California can only come to Canada if they get rid of Ah-nahld.

Hmm...I say this...

Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Mass., Conneticut, Rhode Island, New York, Washington State, Oregon and California secceed to Canada, Canada gives Quebec to the United States, and Canada becomes the United Provinces of Canada and Quebec and the rest of the US becomes Jesusland.

WOOOT!!! XD

Can't we compromise? :( I like the two Alberta teams...can't you be indifferent to the Leafs and hate the Sens instead? :D

Or we can all hate the Leafs and like the Sens?

And then send all the Canadian Neo-Cons to Jesusland.

The thread was mostly started as a joke but actually, I admire your patriotism. However, I wouldn't compare myself to the Iraqi militants if I were you. Their motives are not so pure or admirable, and I hope, even if you were resisting invasion, that you wouldn't be beheading aid workers and selling the tapes to Al-Ja-uffda or whatever the equivalent would be. However, that is a topic for another thread.

You mean the CBC?

We're in the middle of Iraq, why would we bother with Canada? As long as they and the French don't do anything to us, lets ignore them......

Yes, the leafs do suck.

Go sens!

Remind us again, please, how many times the Senators have beaten the Leafs in the playoffs?

Dammit. I thought I had ended this arugment. The War of 1812 was a draw. We got what we wanted and you kept your territory. Enough! The original question is if the US, Canada, and Mexico should become one. Opinions on that? I think it COULD work. It would certainly be better than NAFTA.

A draw, okay. Except for that battle we won with scarecrows.

just in case no one has done it yet - Hello Ann Coulter, welcome to nationstates.

Remind us again, please, how many times the Senators have beaten the Leafs in the playoffs?
Yeah really. The only time the Sens ever got anywhere in the playoffs is when they DIDN'T play the Leafs! :D

Or we can all hate the Leafs and like the Sens?

And then send all the Canadian Neo-Cons to Jesusland.
The first point is not nice.

However, I agree with the second point! ^_^

We have no interests in Canada. Even if we did, we would still have borders we need to defend. The only way to eliminate borders is total world conquest. And history has shown repeatedly that that is impossible. Though the US is very close to doing it.
But there is a good point for annexing Mexico. After all, as we all know, all Mexicans want to be Americans. So we should take America to them, by annexing their nation. That way, they can be Americans without having to move to the US illegally.

Heck, take Mexico. Just leave Canada alone.

^_^ we have winter to make us miserable for half the year. So, consider that a godo enough reason to leave us alone!

...selling the tapes to Al-Ja-uffda or whatever the equivalent would be...You mean the CBC?
Please, someone tell me they caught the joke I was making.

I think that the US trying to annex canada would be like the nazis invading france or belgium or trying to invade Britain.

An act of evil by an immoral country against a moral one, a fight of wrong against right.

And Mexico while we're at it. It would end the problems with illegal immigration, allow the US to maintain defensible borders, stop the incessant whining coming down from up north, make us undeniably multicultural... The benefits are endless. What do you say?

Er, annexing Mexico will result in granting US citizenship to the whole Mexican population. It ceratinly would help lower the ILLEGAL immigration figures, but the net result will be to have, in just one move, 100 million LEGAL immigrants becoming 100 million US citizens with all the benefits it implies.

As for "stopping "the incessant whining up north", same result : instead of having a few tens of millions CANADIANS protesting about US policies, you will have a few tens of million US CITIZENS protesting about current US policies, all of which (along with the 100 million Mexicans-turned-US citizens) will have a right to vote in every US election.

While you're at it, annex North Korea and Iran, so that their nuclear weapons become US weapons... :rolleyes:

I think that the US trying to annex canada would be like the nazis invading france or belgium or trying to invade Britain.

An act of evil by an immoral country against a moral one, a fight of wrong against right.

Yet most of the Canadian provinces have filed the paperwork to become US territories should Canada every break up. Hmm.

Of course the US should not annex anybody. Nor have we in 100+ years.

Heck, take Mexico. Just leave Canada alone.

^_^ we have winter to make us miserable for half the year. So, consider that a godo enough reason to leave us alone!

We already took half of Mexico. It's now called California, Texas, Coloarado, New Mexico, Arizona and Nevada.
Sometimes, I wonder if Polk would have kept Mexico City (and the rest of Mexico) had the railroad come about 10-15 years earlier...

We have Alaska, and let's face it, Montana, Michigan and Maine winters are no picnics either. Some of us *like* the cold. ;)

Yet most of the Canadian provinces have filed the paperwork to become US territories should Canada every break up. Hmm.

Of course the US should not annex anybody. Nor have we in 100+ years.

I demand evidence!

Hey! Don't insult my favourite team! I don't insult yours. Heck, I was cheering for the Oilers and the Flames (I like all the Canadian teams - except for the Sens).

And I ain't no long haired hippie! ^_^ Geez, I was only kidding, that's why I used the smiley.
Psh, the sens are so much better than the leafs.

At least they've got a gramatically correct name for crying out lout.


And at any rate, how would annexing Canada solve the american illegal immigration problem? Don't most of your illegal immigrants come from Mexico, not Canada?

Yet most of the Canadian provinces have filed the paperwork to become US territories should Canada every break up. Hmm.
I smell bullshit.

Well I'm glad to see a satire of my creation is still alarming the gullible.

I think I like Canada and Mexico right where they are. :)


More to the point, I believe they prefer their national sovreignty as well.

I say it should go the other way around, and Canada should annex us and Mexico.
That would lower our national IQ - leave that to Alberta, they're doing a fine job! :D

Here here!

I demand evidence!

Sorry, my bad. I posted some hearsay I read many moons ago, but didn't check it first.

Sorry, my bad. I posted some hearsay I read many moons ago, but didn't check it first.

No matter, it is hard to take you seriously though.

I was making a comparison if you could open your eyes enough to see it. I was parralelling what you said with that so that you could more easily see the backlessnes of your argument. Just because we lost the campaign in Canada (and London lost the air raids so to speak) does not mean that we lost the war.

Actually we won the Battle Of Britain. London got pounded to shit but we still won, London didnt lose because it survived the bombing and we inflicted huge casualties on the Luftwaffe. We won the Battle Of Britain but with a high civilian casualty rate.

No matter, it is hard to take you seriously though.

No matter, I feel the same way about Canada.

(Nota bene: When someone says they made a mistake and are sorry, be gracious.)