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After four seasons, Star Trek: Enterprise has reached the end of its mission ...

PRESS RELEASE

UPN and Paramount Network Television have jointly announced that this will be the final season of Star Trek: Enterprise on UPN. [Production will continue until the end of this season, which will finish shooting in March.] The series finale will air on Friday, May 13, 2005.

"Star Trek has been an important part of UPN's history, and Enterprise has carried on the tradition of its predecessors with great distinction," said Dawn Ostroff, President, Entertainment, UPN. "We'd like to thank Rick Berman, Brannon Braga and an incredibly talented cast for creating an engaging, new dimension to the Star Trek universe on UPN, and we look forward to working with them, and our partners at Paramount Network Television, on a send-off that salutes its contributions to The Network and satisfies its loyal viewers."

David Stapf, President of Paramount Network Television, said, "The creators, stars and crew of Star Trek: Enterprise ambitiously and proudly upheld the fine traditions of the Star Trek franchise. We are grateful for their contributions to the legacy of Trek and commend them on completing nearly 100 exciting, dramatic and visually stunning episodes. All of us at Paramount warmly bid goodbye to Enterprise, and we all look forward to a new chapter of this enduring franchise in the future."

A prequel to the original "Star Trek" series, STAR TREK: ENTERPRISE premiered on UPN on Sept. 26, 2001, and aired for its first three seasons on Wednesdays (8:00-9:00PM, ET/PT). On Oct. 8, 2004, STAR TREK: ENTERPRISE moved into its current time on Fridays (8:00-9:00PM, ET/PT). Through its four-year run, STAR TREK: ENTERPRISE produced a total of 98 episodes and earned four Emmy Awards.

Its not the first Star Trek show taken off the air, the original was canceled after 3 seasons. I kinda liked that show though, even if I didn't watch it much. I just can't bring myself to watch UPN.

Bah...if only we had gotten a 5th season. I so wanted to see the Romulan wars....

Oh well, if the rumors are true, then The USS Titan will play a part in the final epsiode.

Well no wonder. I mean come on. It was a good show for itself, but it warped the Trek history, made stuff up that doesn't make sense to not be mentioned in the chronologically later series, and did not by any stretch of the imagination look older than the original. It just wasn't Star Trek enough. That's why I didn't watch it.

Good riddence.

I watched all the shows and liked them all (TNG rules supreme, though!) but I just couldn't watch Enterprise. As someone said, it just wasn't Star Trek.

I hope they at least make some new movie(s) covering the Romulan war. Hmm I wonder were Startrek will trek from here? To were Voyager left off? Or 5-15 years after Voyagers return to the Alpha quadrant? Maybe they finally got the slipstream working. Then they could visit ambassador Neelix. Take him back to Talax. And get into a major war with the Hakonians and Species 8472.

http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/news/article/9469.html

After four seasons, Star Trek: Enterprise has reached the end of its mission ...

PRESS RELEASE

UPN and Paramount Network Television have jointly announced that this will be the final season of Star Trek: Enterprise on UPN. [Production will continue until the end of this season, which will finish shooting in March.] The series finale will air on Friday, May 13, 2005.

"Star Trek has been an important part of UPN's history, and Enterprise has carried on the tradition of its predecessors with great distinction," said Dawn Ostroff, President, Entertainment, UPN. "We'd like to thank Rick Berman, Brannon Braga and an incredibly talented cast for creating an engaging, new dimension to the Star Trek universe on UPN, and we look forward to working with them, and our partners at Paramount Network Television, on a send-off that salutes its contributions to The Network and satisfies its loyal viewers."

David Stapf, President of Paramount Network Television, said, "The creators, stars and crew of Star Trek: Enterprise ambitiously and proudly upheld the fine traditions of the Star Trek franchise. We are grateful for their contributions to the legacy of Trek and commend them on completing nearly 100 exciting, dramatic and visually stunning episodes. All of us at Paramount warmly bid goodbye to Enterprise, and we all look forward to a new chapter of this enduring franchise in the future."

A prequel to the original "Star Trek" series, STAR TREK: ENTERPRISE premiered on UPN on Sept. 26, 2001, and aired for its first three seasons on Wednesdays (8:00-9:00PM, ET/PT). On Oct. 8, 2004, STAR TREK: ENTERPRISE moved into its current time on Fridays (8:00-9:00PM, ET/PT). Through its four-year run, STAR TREK: ENTERPRISE produced a total of 98 episodes and earned four Emmy Awards.
good. Enterprise sucks compared to the others. May we pray they make a decent star trek next time... with star trek in the name, no shitty lame-rock music during the title, and following more truly to Gene Roddenberry's ideas.



edit: fuck it, bring back Voyager ;)

Good riddence.

I watched all the shows and liked them all (TNG rules supreme, though!) but I just couldn't watch Enterprise. As someone said, it just wasn't Star Trek.

Agreed! Enterprise was awful.

In other news-- UPN will no longer be carrying WWE: Smackdown! Okay, I know, no one cares...

Agreed! Enterprise was awful.

In other news-- UPN will no longer be carrying WWE: Smackdown! Okay, I know, no one cares...
I guess both shows interfere with broadcasting of 96 hours a week of black sitcoms that are unfunny, and all use the same jokes. How many whitey jokes can be funny in one week.

good. Enterprise sucks compared to the others. May we pray they make a decent star trek next time... with star trek in the name, no shitty lame-rock music during the title, and following more truly to Gene Roddenberry's ideas.



edit: fuck it, bring back Voyager ;)

Okay, the show sucked, we all know it but the song was good. It was completely non trekkie-ish but it was a good song all in its own.

Agree with the song, and I think it sucks that it's being cancelled. Where will I get my Trek fix from now? I need new material to live!

I liked it. The first season sucked, but as the story developed I thought it started to get pretty good and I liked the way the arc was heading towards the Romulan War. I really thought it had a lot of potential for the future.

What I want to know is what UPN is going to replace it with, that network has nothing else.

Um, no.... Star Trek, the original series, was cancelled as well.

I am going to write to paramount and tell them if they take it off the air I'll stop watching UPN altogether. (Not that it's that much of a threat, it's the only thing I watch on UPN anyway. In fact it is about the only network TV I watch.)

Everyone else should write too. Maybe it can be uncancelled. It happened before.

...bring back Voyager ;)

Voyager? That was the worst of the five. They need to work on a DS-9 movie.

I'm not much of a fan of ST period but if I have to choose one I'll say that The Next Generation was the only good ones.

Enterprise was a nice show on its own legs. Oddly enough though one of the reasons I watched it was because seeing Scott Bakula on T.V. brings back fond memories of Quantum Leap. *sigh* Sam and Al, I miss you!

Voyager? That was the worst of the five. They need to work on a DS-9 movie.
voyager...worst?!? :mad: why i outta...... :gundge:

:p

check it out.....please...
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=394562 (yes, i'm a nerd)

Voyager? That was the worst of the five. They need to work on a DS-9 movie.
shit, why dont thye just make a "The View" movie, same amount of action

Enterprise was a nice show on its own legs. Oddly enough though one of the reasons I watched it was because seeing Scott Bakula on T.V. brings back fond memories of Quantum Leap. *sigh* Sam and Al, I miss you!
quantum leap was badass

Voyager? That was the worst of the five. They need to work on a DS-9 movie.

I like voyager a hell of alot more than DS9!

Bring back Voyager and Captain Janeway, Tuvok, 7 of 9, Doc, Paris, Torres-Paris, Kim, Naomi, and the rest of the crew.

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo :(

quantum leap was badass

I know! All those great adventures and Sam and Al=one of the greatest duos of all time.

Yet another science-fiction classic canceled before its time.

-Bender (a character from another show that also fits that description *sob!* :( )

I guess both shows interfere with broadcasting of 96 hours a week of black sitcoms that are unfunny, and all use the same jokes. How many whitey jokes can be funny in one week.

Studies show 16 is the usual limit, more if they're witty or new.

shit, why dont thye just make a "The View" movie, same amount of action

The war with the Dominion wasn't enough action for you? The last three seasons were the best Star Trek has ever produced.

The war with the Dominion wasn't enough action for you?
all i recall was an hour of talking and more talking and occasionally a bar scene with the big ear guy..which consisted of talking

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh well, I like Voyager the best anyways.

Then again, Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda ties Voyager for me.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh well, I like Voyager the best anyways.

Then again, Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda ties Voyager for me.
how did andromeda go to bad ass space action to that shitfest lets stand around on some desert planet and do stupid shit that isnt amusing, i havnt seen the intermittent episodes yet, scifi is airing the begining and the newest seasons so im like WTF HAPPENED

all i recall was an hour of talking and more talking and occasionally a bar scene with the big ear guy..which consisted of talking

Yea, all the STs since TNG just weren't as engaging (lol, no pun intended). The characters of TNG just had the right amount of tension to make it work well. The newer series just didn't have the same feel.

Yea, all the STs since TNG just weren't as engaging (lol, no pun intended). The characters of TNG just had the right amount of tension to make it work well. The newer series just didn't have the same feel.
but no sci fi series i have ever seen more resembled a talk show than deep space 9

The war with the Dominion wasn't enough action for you? The last three seasons were the best Star Trek has ever produced.

I must check the temperature in hell. We actually agree about something. I didn't like DS9 at first. Then Sisko got all bald and mean, and it became the most exciting Star Trek ever.

Also, I used to "appointment" view it with this really hot chick. Happy memories.

The war with the Dominion wasn't enough action for you? The last three seasons were the best Star Trek has ever produced.
Ron Moore, who was responsable for those years and most the best years of later Trek, is now doing Battlestar Gallactica and I have to say is the best Sci Fi series I've ever seen (so far, it has only been three weeks).

how did andromeda go to bad ass space action to that shitfest lets stand around on some desert planet and do stupid shit that isnt amusing, i havnt seen the intermittent episodes yet, scifi is airing the begining and the newest seasons so im like WTF HAPPENED

Andromeda had the potential to be excellent. But as you say, it turned into a shitfest.

Andromeda had the potential to be excellent. But as you say, it turned into a shitfest.
so how did they go from bad ass asskickery to hey lets stand around with our thumbs up out butts

Ah, at least i spent my 2 months pay on the Orginal seris DVDs and TNG DVDs. Just pop them into my DVD player and I have days of enjoyment

:mad: What am i going to do for science fiction now? Andromeda is pretty good but it's no Star Trek . Besides i am going to miss jolene blalock . is she hot or what? ;)

Voyager? That was the worst of the five.

Pah! Enough of your pseudo-Stalinist revisionist Trek history: there were six televised series.

:mad: What am i going to do for science fiction now? Andromeda is pretty good but it's no Star Trek . Besides i am going to miss jolene blalock . is she hot or what? ;)

Download episodes of Blakes Seven off the internet?

Wait for the new series of Doctor Who?

Read a book?

so how did they go from bad ass asskickery to hey lets stand around with our thumbs up out butts

I don't know. I used to watch it every sunday and it was getting pretty kickass, then Channel 11 kept on moving it around and I lost track of what happened. Then it moved to Scifi and I caught one really sucky episode about some moral crisis stuff and gave up on it.

The bits I've seen since then confirm my view that it now sucks.

:mad: What am i going to do for science fiction now? Andromeda is pretty good but it's no Star Trek . Besides i am going to miss jolene blalock . is she hot or what? ;)

Friday Nights, 10PM, Sci-Fi channel. Battlestar Galactica.

Best new sci-fi show in at least a decade.

It's all Berman and Bragga's fault. With all the other shows they had writers, real writers. When they decided to take all of the writing into their own hands they really fucked up. Once they lost Michael Piller it was all downhill. DS9 Was by far the best story arc that Star Trek ever produced. Voyager was where it all went wrong with me. When Trek became more about how we can build cool weapons to kill Borg with... AAUUUGH!! That show had a more devistating effect on trek than V'ger or the entirity of the first movie (based on the same name I might add)

Ron Moore, who was responsable for those years and most the best years of later Trek, is now doing Battlestar Gallactica and I have to say is the best Sci Fi series I've ever seen (so far, it has only been three weeks).

You might want to watch Babylon 5. That is some great space drama. And Susan Ivanova. . .oooh!*shivers*

As for Enterprise being canceled, I figured it probably would. Friday nights are where series go to die, so when they put it on at that time, I figured they were keeping it around only to get it to syndication. Turns out I was right. I'm not as hard on it as many sci-fi fans, but the series was widely panned as being unoriginal (which to some extent is true, especially if you compare it to the writing in TNG and TOS), relying too heavily on the "Berman" theory of storytelling, which namely is to do away with the storytelling aspect and show a lot of T&A in the form of Seven or T'Pol, depending on the series, and that its characters were hackneyed (Trip being confused with whoever the weapons officer was, and Bakula's character being a very sorry attempt at replicating the studly Capt. Kirk). I don't agree with most people who do say this (I could tell the difference between Trip and the WO quite easily. . .I just can't tell you who the WO is), but you can't help but admit that Enterprise is just nowhere near in the same league as TNG or TOS, or even DS9 and Voyager.

Battlestar is definetly shaping up to be on par with Babylon. I'm just kicking myself for missing last week's episode of it.

Friday Nights, 10PM, Sci-Fi channel. Battlestar Galactica.

Best new sci-fi show in at least a decade.

I personally prefered Farscape, The Invisible Man, and First Wave as far as Sci-Fi channel shows go. They're all gone now though...damn Sci-Fi

Firefly had some real potential too...damn Fox...

I think it might be that Trek has, in a way, "jumped the shark". The franchise may need to die for a couple of years. Or, they may need to rustle up whoever might be interested to do a new movie, (a DS9 movie? Please?) before a new show can take over.

Enterprise didn't grab me. It was a naive version of a Star Trek that was more like a drama than a Star Trek.

Star Trek series were very erudian in their topics. While the story and setting in Enterprise was very good it just wasn't very thought provoking. The actors weren't very compelling either but that is likely more due to the story and not their fault.

And Scott Bakula was the weakest Captain ever. Sisko, not THAT was a Captain. DS9 all the way. And Picard was the thinking-man's Sisko :)

erudian

???

but no sci fi series i have ever seen more resembled a talk show than deep space 9

Babylon 5?

Also, I used to "appointment" view it with this really hot chick. Happy memories.

Riiight... If by "hot chick" you mean your mom and "happy memories" bringing her a pack of smokes.

so how did they go from bad ass asskickery to hey lets stand around with our thumbs up out butts

Andormeda SUCKS this season, I agree. Maybe they should bring back Tyr or something. I can't stand this sitting around doing nothing while the computer fights with this other chick crap. The same thing happened to Starhunter... first season was BRILLIANT and then they got rid of two of the three main people and got a whole new crew then shifted everything forward about 10 years. It got really boring.

Babylon 5 was amazing. It was nothing like DS9. I just wish they would have let Crusade take its course; sure it wasn't brilliant, but it was good enough.

Enterprise didn't grab me. It was a naive version of a Star Trek that was more like a drama than a Star Trek.

Star Trek series were very erudian in their topics. While the story and setting in Enterprise was very good it just wasn't very thought provoking. The actors weren't very compelling either but that is likely more due to the story and not their fault.

And Scott Bakula was the weakest Captain ever. Sisko, not THAT was a Captain. DS9 all the way. And Picard was the thinking-man's Sisko :)

Disagree on Scott Bakula. He IS the nice 'everyman' that is in fact greatly talented and shows his heroic colors, especially when put into extraordinary circumstances. That is why he rocks as both Sam Beckett and Captain Archer.

Riiight... If by "hot chick" you mean your mom and "happy memories" bringing her a pack of smokes.

Actually it was your mom, and it was vodka not smokes, but whatever.

Actually it was your mom, and it was vodka not smokes, but whatever.
Am I correct that Vodka is slang in the bronx for semen?

Am I correct that Vodka is slang in the bronx for semen?

Oh, I see you've visited here then.

nooooooooooooooooo this cant be happening enterprise going off the air this was the best star trek i have ever seen and paramount and upn should not do this :( :( :(

..Well least I wont have to flip from UPN to SciFi channel anymore to watch Stargate: Atlantis. Frankly BSG is supposed to go for five years, if the ratings stay good I can envision it going longer. Especially if the writing keeps being as good, and as dark as it is. Farscape was good..but lets remember how long it took to get to being that good. BSG has the makings of being a classic sci-fi series.

As for Fox..we shall not speak of their name and mention anything Sci-Fi..save for the X-Files..they killed the Lone Gunmen, ended Space Above and Beyond after one season, and destroyed Firefly(which to me was the TV version of Independence War 2).

You might want to watch Babylon 5. That is some great space drama. And Susan Ivanova. . .oooh!*shivers*


I watched babylon 5. Not taking anything away from that-still, I'm tellin' ya.

Actually it was your mom, and it was vodka not smokes, but whatever.

Necrophiliac!

I'd love to see a DS9 movie, but the fact is, the writers really dicked up the finale so as to make any really coherent movie rather impossible.

- Martok is Chancellor and Worf is Ambassador to Qo'Nos.

- O'Brien is teaching engineering at the Academy on Earth.

- Odo is on the Founder homeworld in the Gamma Quadrant.

- Garak is rebuilding Cardassia.

- Sisko's lost in fuck-knows-where limbo-ville.

- Rom's the Grand-Fucking-Nagus (how the hell did that happen, incidentally?)

- Jake, Bashir, Kira, Dax (boo Ezri, btw), Kassidy and Quark (maybe Nog, too?) are still on the station. Which, incidentally, is in the middle of god-damn nowhere.

- Dukat and Kai Winn are dead (boo!)


It would be very tough to come up with a premise that would let all or even most of the main cast be on camera, aside from something really bizarre, like, "Hey, let's all come back to the station for Jake's birthday/old time's sake/to dick around with the Sisko vortex a bit!" Alternately, they could have sub-plots going, with two groups, Alpha Quad (Earth, Cardassia, Qo'Nos) and DS9 (including Odo in the Gamma Quad.) doing shit, maybe occaisonally talking to each other on the "space phone" (sorry, sorry, subspace communicator), but that too seems like it would be hard to sustain for two hours. By having DS9 be so isolated from Earth & co., and then splitting up the cast so drastically, they've already significantly sabotaged any movie plot before it even gets off the ground (thanks, producers!)



...On a related tangent, was I the only one that couldn't stand the fact that somehow, Worf always showed up in the TNG movies? Don't get me wrong, I love Worf, but it got to the point where they weren't even bothering to explain what he was doing there (at least in First Contact, they came up with a quasi-plausible reason. After that they seemed to just say, "Screw it, it's Worf, enjoy!"). As a fan, I find such laziness and lack of creativity more than a tad grating. I don't want a shitty DS9 movie, and at this point, I'm not convinced that anything else is possible.

It would be very tough to come up with a premise that would let all or even most of the main cast be on camera, aside from something really bizarre, like, "Hey, let's all come back to the station for Jake's birthday/old time's sake/to dick around with the Sisko vortex a bit!" Alternately, they could have sub-plots going, with two groups, Alpha Quad (Earth, Cardassia, Qo'Nos) and DS9 (including Odo in the Gamma Quad.) doing shit, maybe occaisonally talking to each other on the "space phone" (sorry, sorry, subspace communicator), but that too seems like it would be hard to sustain for two hours. By having DS9 be so isolated from Earth & co., and then splitting up the cast so drastically, they've already significantly sabotaged any movie plot before it even gets off the ground (thanks, producers!)
It'd be just like the blues brothers:
"We're putting the space station back together"
You better think THINK
Think about what you're trying to do to me
Think THINK THINK

So Enterprise is cancelled. Good. I'm afraid it was just plain old crap. You really do need to watch BSG. It's just finished over here and the cliffhanger ending has left LOTS open for the future. I only hope they're sensible enough to limit it to 3 series so they can keep up the tension. Any more than that and it'll just turn into Voyager (which i liked, it's just that it's been done already).

EDIT: Where BSG really wins is that it's good from the start. DS9 and Voyager were crap for at least 2 series before getting good and even Stargate and Babylon 5 were ropey for a while.

Well no wonder. I mean come on. It was a good show for itself, but it warped the Trek history, made stuff up that doesn't make sense to not be mentioned in the chronologically later series, and did not by any stretch of the imagination look older than the original. It just wasn't Star Trek enough. That's why I didn't watch it.I'm not as up-to-date as most of you (it seems) only being as far through the series as has been shown on terrestrial UK television, but I always figured that any chronologically strange stuff (e.g. the entire relationship with the Klingons thing) that was 'inconsistent' with the later series is stuff that is going to be 'edited out' of history in the Temporal Wars.

The last thing I recall happening was the ship heading off into some Bermuda Triangle-type nebula, if that helps place where I am in viewing the series, and so it's quite possible that I'm proven wrong with later stuff, but at least I'm not in danger of spoiling things for many of you (except those who resolutely have not watched it).

Anyway, in all this adventuring I've seen there's been a background story-arc (occasionally poking out into the plots of entire episodes) with the whole concept of time. My idea is that there will be some point (probably the finale, if they do it right) where a decision will have to be made by Archer to save the universe from the fallout of the Temporal Wars. This will necessitate time having to be rewound/redone a bit to create a more 'stable' future and may well mean that the NX-01's maiden voyage does not involve the Klingons, removing that 'discrepancy' from the timeline, but that things like the the development of the photon torpedos (seen early on in Enterprise) and the mending of relations between Andorans and Vulcans would still happen (because the same people are travelling down a very similar trouserleg of time, just one without the whole Time Wars, etc) and it is this path that leads towards the universe that we see in TOS, TNG, DS9 and VOY. (The cartoon series, BTW, is not canon. IIRC, Gene himself stated this, apparently, so I'd vote for there only being 5 'Trek' series, rather than 6, if pushed...)

Anyway, it may sound a bit of a kludge, but it allows the series to be a mixture of "how they developed (usually) reliable transporter technology"-style stuff and background such as "why the Andorrans and Vulcans are good friends by the time of Kirk" (to retroactively prop up the form of universe seen in TOS) and unexpected stuff that makes the stories more than just a "1066 and all that" predictable history...


There's an interesting episode of Andromedda where the Dylan Hunt history is shown to be the 'second time round', retroactively created after the 'real' history headed towards disaster, yet this 'first' history passed through points seen in the mainstream 'second time round' history... Well, you have to see it to understand completely, but rather clever I thought. (I like time-travel stuff. My own personal theories about the reality of time travel is that "what you go back and do, you've already been back and done", in self-enforcing closed time-like curves, but I enjoy a good "flip-flop between time-lines" fictional account... :))

I personally prefered Farscape, The Invisible Man, and First Wave as far as Sci-Fi channel shows go. They're all gone now though...damn Sci-Fi

Firefly had some real potential too...damn Fox...
they usually run old series during the day time, too bad im not home to watch them and first wave wasnt that great, it was ok, but farscape was badass

and oh yeah, i dont recall much of anything ever happening on babylon 5 either, if you want a bunch of crap happening without action, read a book

Farscape was good..but lets remember how long it took to get to being that good. BSG has the makings of being a classic sci-fi series.
farscape was badass from day one

*snip*
...if you want a bunch of crap happening without action, read a book
Dude. It's called imagination

Dude. It's called imagination
do you mean the book or do you mean on the show i should imagine them standing around talking is equivolent to good tv?

is it just me or do all the people here like dramas instead of sci fi shows the way they should be: with a decent amount of action

hmm well this show is an hour long, what the hell should we do for an hour?
how about we make a the characters stand around and chat their asses off the whole time?
come on, no one will watch that.
*5 years later*
man that sci fi show with people standing around and talknig and no action to each other was so much better than the show with a mixture of talknig and action

they should have done a Voyager movie while they still had the chance imo (before the awesome Endgame)

do you mean the book or do you mean on the show i should imagine them standing around talking is equivolent to good tv?

is it just me or do all the people here like dramas instead of sci fi shows the way they should be: with a decent amount of action

hmm well this show is an hour long, what the hell should we do for an hour?
how about we make a the characters stand around and chat their asses off the whole time?
come on, no one will watch that.
*5 years later*
man that sci fi show with people standing around and talknig and no action to each other was so much better than the show with a mixture of talknig and action
I thought you were implying that there is never any "action" in a book.

Anyway. I like Sci-fi, but sometimes it's just too far out. They're just boasting all the time with new aliens and weapons. That sucks ass.

http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/news/article/9469.html

After four seasons, Star Trek: Enterprise has reached the end of its mission ...
Thank God. It's about time they realized that Star Trek is dead.

I thought you were implying that there is never any "action" in a book.

Anyway. I like Sci-fi, but sometimes it's just too far out. They're just boasting all the time with new aliens and weapons. That sucks ass.
i rather it you know be science fictiony with discovering new worlds and peoples if it means space than stand around talknig to each other for a FUCKING HOUR

i rather it you know be science fictiony with discovering new worlds and peoples if it means space than stand around talknig to each other for a FUCKING HOUR
That definately sucks ass

break down of a ds 9 episode

*18 minutes+ of just walknig around the station from one palce to another
*40 minutes+ of talking (talking about cardassians/the war/worm holes/ themselves)
*1 minute of drinking


babylon 5
*20 stand around and talk about the war
*20 stand around talknig about previous wars
*20 stand around talknig about some security problem

Good fking riddance, Enterprise :gundge: and if they make an enterprise movie I swear I'm going to rip somebody's throat out!

Damn.. I'm still watching first season repeats. :( The damn television network didn't buy any new episodes. :(

About damned time. I can't believe it lasted this long. I mean, take a look back over the posts that seemed upset over its demise... you see a pattern? I do.

And no, a DS9 movie or a Voyager movie would not be a good thing. Leave them as they are; fond memories (of DS9, at least). With B&B at the helm, any movie of either series would completely spoil any memories you had of them. What they need to do is fire B&B and wait a few years for some fresh ideas to develop. Try and pull another TNG sort-of thing.

I'd be more interested in seeing some more Farscape though. I still can't believe they cancelled that...

Too many guys propping up that old stereotype. Gee, 10 minutes and no explosions?

My rating
1 Bab 5
2 SG-1
3 Voyager
4 DS 9
5 BSG
6 TNG
7 Andromeda






105 Enterprise

You might want to watch Babylon 5. That is some great space drama. And Susan Ivanova. . .oooh!*shivers*

I own all 5 seasons of Babylon 5 :)

Too many guys propping up that old stereotype. Gee, 10 minutes and no explosions?

more like a fucking week of one hour episodes and no explosions. i could give a fuck less if there wasnt an explosion every 10 minutes if there was SINGLE GOD DAMN EXPLOSION ANYWHERE and people didnt stand around like a bunch of dipshits in a soap opera tlaking to each other

Babylon 5?

However, B5 really wasn't a talk show. It had a plot that was lacking on DS9! I call it a space soap opera to a point.

And on B5, you had alot of action. Yea some were boring but then again, it made up for it in the episodes that had the action :)

I'd be more interested in seeing some more Farscape though. I still can't believe they cancelled that...
they couldnt continue if they wanted to really, they ended it already. in the two part peacekeeper wars they managed to bring peace between the skaarens and the peacekeepers

The sad thing is, the only reason they didn't cancel the show last season was that they needed 4 years to get over the 100 episode mark to get those magical DVD distribution rights. They even brought in a new executive producer to get it done on the cheap.

Prequels are universally bad ideas - this show was just too muddled, they couldn't reconcile the writing with the premise.

break down of a ds 9 episode

*18 minutes+ of just walknig around the station from one palce to another
*40 minutes+ of talking (talking about cardassians/the war/worm holes/ themselves)
*1 minute of drinking


babylon 5
*20 stand around and talk about the war
*20 stand around talknig about previous wars
*20 stand around talknig about some security problem

Then I guess you missed the Narn/Centari war (Last Part of Season 2)
Also the Shadow War (Sporadic in Season 1 and 2 starts midway through Season 3 and ends in the first six episodes of Season 4)
The Earth Civil War (Seasons 3 and 4)
And the Alliance Centari War (last part of Season 5)

Not to mention all of the action episodes that are taking place on station.

Too many guys propping up that old stereotype. Gee, 10 minutes and no explosions?

My rating
1 Bab 5
2 SG-1
3 Voyager
4 DS 9
5 BSG
6 TNG
7 Andromeda






105 Enterprise

Nice Ratings :)

more like a fucking week of one hour episodes and no explosions. i could give a fuck less if there wasnt an explosion every 10 minutes if there was SINGLE GOD DAMN EXPLOSION ANYWHERE and people didnt stand around like a bunch of dipshits in a soap opera tlaking to each other

Did all that thinking hurt?

Did all that thinking hurt?

LOL!! I wonder if he blew a gasket.

Did all that thinking hurt?
not really, thinking about all the boringness of ds9 and babylon 5 put me halfway into a coma

not really, thinking about all the boringness of ds9 and babylon 5 put me halfway into a coma

It took you forty minutes to come up with that.

It took you forty minutes to come up with that.
co-ma

they couldnt continue if they wanted to really, they ended it already. in the two part peacekeeper wars they managed to bring peace between the skaarens and the peacekeepers

Just because the Scarrens and the Peacekeepers have signed a treaty, it doesn't mean they can't carry on. It's a big ol' universe out there, and Crichton and the gang have a habit of finding new and original people to piss off...

co-ma

You're getting faster.

You're getting faster.
Where's the love dudette?

You're getting faster.
if the utter boringness in the shows put me into a semi coma i wouldnt be responding immediately now would i? now go watch your boring ass soap opera sci fi shows and stop ripping on good action series because you rather watch a diplomatic talkfest than a battle scene

U R funny

Too many guys propping up that old stereotype. Gee, 10 minutes and no explosions?

My rating
1 Bab 5
2 SG-1
3 Voyager
4 DS 9
5 BSG
6 TNG
7 Andromeda






105 EnterpriseI honestly wouldn't know how to rate any of those. I tend ot take them all on their own merits. Andromeda is very good for what it is, but not directly comaprable to any Trek (save by the Roddenbury connection) and is hard to place on the same scale, IMHO. The original Battlestar Galactica I really liked and would put it high up in the table of "late 70s SF" items, Galactica 1980 was awfully twee but had (some) plus points in the right light, if you put away your cynycism. (The current BSG I haven't seen, and have heard mixed reviews about...)

As far as Trek goes, the different series are the same universe, but have very different aims..
TOS: Boldly Going Where No Man Has Gone Before
TNG: Boldly Encountering What No One Has Encountered Before (loosely translated)
DS9: Boldly Sitting Still And Defending What No Man Has (...you get the idea)
Voy: Boldly Getting Home From Where No Person Has Got Home From Before
Ent: ...erm... "Boldly Explaining"? "Boldly Pioneering"? "Boldly Introducing Humanity"? I must say that Ent wasn't on the cards when I was thinking up the other labels...

And each series is of an era. The SFX (and the general imagery) in each Trek is based upon that era's production technology. The plots are based upon that era's sensibilities. The way to appreciate TOS is to watch it as a 'retro' series. And there was plenty of 'bad' bits that we feel nostalgic about. There hasn't been enough time to judge Enterprise properly. It may not be a critical success in the here-and-now, but as a historic record (of the turn of the 21st century program-making art) it could well be classic in the future, much as the original Galactica is (to some, at least, like me) to its era.

B5 I would class high on any list. No action? I remember the first time I saw a Starfury spin on its axis to shoot behind it, as opposed to the rolls and climbs and swoops that the BSG Vipers and just about every other series (even Trek, excepting that bit in ST2:WoK and a couple of other examples) wants to employ in space dogfights. (The fact that the Minbari ships/Whitestar fleet uses a gravitic drive is an interesting plot-point... :) Anyway, B5 had action, and it had (da da daaaa!) a Plot! A brilliant multi-series arc, with room for the occasional 'special' (the 'two maintenance guys' one, the 'futuristic computer simulation of the B5 crew' one) that... well... worked. I didn't actually like the two movies as much, though. They were based on action, not plot, and harked back to the "monster of the week" cliché of TOS Star Trek (which was Ok at the time, but couldn't be done these days... Or shouldn't, at least). I quite liked Space: Above and Beyond, I recall, but I'm trying to remember the details as it's been a long time since I've seen it.

Stargate is interesting. Though they didn't start off with a long-term story-arc (a la Babylon 5) they have managed to convincingly change the nature of the universe (alliances, enemies, technologies) as the series progresses. I like that evolution. The fact they managed to 'bolt' the series together on the top of a (good, but subtley different in aims) movie was interesting. Apart from the change of actors (nicely spoofed/highlighted at the end of the episode featuring the "Wormhole X-Treme" thing, a nice 'side-step' episode of the kind that helps to prevent "Monster Of the Week"-syndrome) the atmosphere was different between cinematic and televisual mediums. And they've spread their plot devices around so that it's not always obvious what's going to happen (and because there are very real possibilities of a paradigm shift occuring, a enemies and friends alike being killed off or changing).

But I couldn't compare SG-1 to any Trek. Nor (the original) Galactica to either of those. Much as I couldn't compare Star Wars to Knight Rider or Automan to Manimal or that 80s-ish Invisible Man series to Mission Impossible or The Champions to The (original) He-Man cartoon or Captain Planet to the Adam West batman series or The Greatest American Hero to Blue Thunder. And there are some Goods, Bads and Uglies in that small (and not representative) list of programs that could be considered, never mind that they're all different.

more like a fucking week of one hour episodes and no explosions. i could give a fuck less if there wasnt an explosion every 10 minutes if there was SINGLE GOD DAMN EXPLOSION ANYWHERE and people didnt stand around like a bunch of dipshits in a soap opera tlaking to each other

Ah, talking.

Conversation.

Story telling.

Also known as plot and character development. That is something of which a person who thinks video games are synonomous with story telling would have no comprehension.

You must be of the "oooh, aaah, and weee" school of fiction. You know, as in, "oooh, look at those pretty explosions," or "aaah, what a great special effect," or "weee, what an intense car chase."

Ah, talking.

Conversation.

Story telling.

Also known as plot and character development. That is something of which a person who thinks video games are synonomous with story telling would have no comprehension.

You must be of the "oooh, aaah, and weee" school of fiction. You know, as in, "oooh, look at those pretty explosions," or "aaah, what a great special effect," or "weee, what an intense car chase."
it is possible to integrate story telling,plat and character into a series without making it solely based around talking for the entire hour

in books, plot and character is developed through words, they are described to us, in a tv show more than one episode long, characters are developed by what they do and how they act and the plot is developed through WELL INTEGRATED talking and the actions taken by the characters

Also known as plot and character development. That is something of which a person who thinks video games are synonomous with story telling would have no comprehension.

For once I've found myself in agreement with most of the stuff you've said on the thread except this. Then again I'm an avid gamer so I know that there are both console and PC games with storylines that go far beyond just action. Even if action is apart of the game. ie (Fallout, Final Fantasy 7 etc etc etc)

I watched the first eight episodes of the first series. They were shit. I have never watched it since. Frankly, I feel this series is a stain on the Star Trek universe and should never have made it past the pilot.

ST: DS9 4 teh win

The only good Trek was Kirk and Spock and the rest of them. The other shows were utter shite.