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Ok before you blow this out of context, what Rice means is that she wants to train a LEGITIMATE Palestinian military to fight the terrorists like Hamas, Hezbollah, etc. However I do have my concerns that we're stretching our resources too thin

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Ok before you blow this out of context, what Rice means is that she wants to train a LEGITIMATE Palestinian military to fight the terrorists like Hamas, Hezbollah, etc. However I do have my concerns that we're stretching our resources too thin
1) i doubt the palestinians care, they arnt being attacked by them. one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter and i feel that applies here
2) oh yes, lets go fight more people in more countries, maybe if we try and fight 20 different countries at once we will somehow cause a glitch in the matrix and gain 3million points and win the game

Random terrorist attacks by Hamas and their ilk have gotten in the way of the peace process too many times. If Abbas is serious about stopping them and establishing rule of law in the Palestinian areas we should offer him help.

Random terrorist attacks by Hamas and their ilk have gotten in the way of the peace process too many times. If Abbas is serious about stopping them and establishing rule of law in the Palestinian areas we should offer him help.

Hamas looks at themselves as a political group which they are but their militant actions are way out-of-hand. Most of the people regard them as freedom fighters because they build hospitals, roads, schools, and mosques. They're actually a pretty charitable organization except that some of that money goes to their army. I think Abbas should offer them a seat or something in the government in exchange for their disarming.

1) i doubt the palestinians care, they arnt being attacked by them. one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter and i feel that applies here
2) oh yes, lets go fight more people in more countries, maybe if we try and fight 20 different countries at once we will somehow cause a glitch in the matrix and gain 3million points and win the game

word.

It would look better if they were being trained by a country that Palestinians respect... not someone like the US who is seen as the devil for having funded Israel for so long.

I agree with the need for a well trained Palestinian army though. It probably isn't goign to do much against Hamas though. I would like to see it happen, but the Palestinaians have suffered for along time and Hamas would be their brothers and sisters.

I know that Hamas is contributing to teh problem and the suffering but they just aren't going to see it that way.

Hamas looks at themselves as a political group which they are but their militant actions are way out-of-hand. Most of the people regard them as freedom fighters because they build hospitals, roads, schools, and mosques. They're actually a pretty charitable organization except that some of that money goes to their army. I think Abbas should offer them a seat or something in the government in exchange for their disarming.
Their candidates won the recent elections in Gaza by a landslide. Abbas may not have a choice but to recognize and work with them. My point is that he should work with the political wing and ruthlessly hunt down the terrorists among them.

BTW, your sig? "We have better beer" Not for long. I heard Coors is buying Molson. Soon your beer will be as crappy and tasteless as ours.

I think Abbas should offer them a seat or something in the government in exchange for their disarming.
Hell no! Sorry for the bad reaction, but I don't exactly like negotiating peace with terrorists...

Hell no! Sorry for the bad reaction, but I don't exactly like negotiating peace with terrorists...
oh yes because if we kill all the terrorists fighting for what some people believe is a good cause fixes everything?

look up the word "martyr"

Their candidates won the recent elections in Gaza by a landslide. Abbas may not have a choice but to recognize and work with them. My point is that he should work with the political wing and ruthlessly hunt down the terrorists among them.

BTW, your sig? "We have better beer" Not for long. I heard Coors is buying Molson. Soon your beer will be as crappy and tasteless as ours.

Meh...I don't drink. Too young.

Great...now the Palastinians can kill other Palastinians with US Weapons...cuts out the Isrealis as the middle man..

Hell no! Sorry for the bad reaction, but I don't exactly like negotiating peace with terrorists...

Well no one liked us negotiating with the IRA, but it's slowly working.

Three words that could result from this: Palestinian civil war.

Hamas wins, mainly because nobody would trust Palestinians armed by the US.

Ah, but, everyone is tired of Hamas screwing with the peace process. The Palistinians mostly think of them as almost two seperate groups: The Hospital building guys who were running, and the terrorists. The terrorists actually mostly operate seperatly from other parts of Hamas.

Ok before you blow this out of context, what Rice means is that she wants to train a LEGITIMATE Palestinian military to fight the terrorists like Hamas, Hezbollah, etc. However I do have my concerns that we're stretching our resources too thin
I think you should be more worried about the militias in Iowa and so on, who wish to overthrow the US government. Always best to sort out your own problems before having a go at someone else's. ;)

I think you should be more worried about the militias in Iowa and so on, who wish to overthrow the US government. Always best to sort out your own problems before having a go at someone else's. ;)

Let's see. The last right-wing Christian militia problem was the Oklahoma City bombing. Date?

The whole Arab-Muslim-Middle East problem - it's a lot bigger, and will take longer to ameliorate. Wonder when we should start?

Last I heard, they flew planes into a US building. They tried again with a shoe bomb on a flight. They keep trying to think of ways to get here with something - anything. So, I suppose we should ignore them so that they can be successful. We shouldn't do anything that might resolve the tensions in that region, should we?

I see. We should just sit here until disaster strikes, and then use military action. That's what happened the last time. You actually prefer that to pre-emptive diplomatic measures?

Sure you're not a neocon?

It would look better if they were being trained by a country that Palestinians respect... not someone like the US who is seen as the devil for having funded Israel for so long.

I agree with the need for a well trained Palestinian army though. It probably isn't goign to do much against Hamas though. I would like to see it happen, but the Palestinaians have suffered for along time and Hamas would be their brothers and sisters.

I know that Hamas is contributing to teh problem and the suffering but they just aren't going to see it that way.


While clearly an effective militia of some sort will be needed for the Palestinian Authority to be able to effectively reign in the extremist groups, One of the stumbling blocks that I see is that Isreal will get rather nervous at an armed and trained palestinian force on their doorstep.

It will need to be a very fine line to walk, but I don't imagine Israel being happy if anyone truly armed the new Palestinian police/army with what it would need to be able to counter Hamas if push came to shove, but they will also blame the Palestinian authority if they can't reign in the extremists either.

For the immediate future, I don't see the PA having much say over what Hamas does or does not do through any means but negotiation. Frankly they don't have the firepower to match up. This gives Hamas an unfortunate amount of leverage which could also be used to scuttle peace talks through unreasonable demands.