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So Americans have people stucked in a "warehouse" in Guontanamo. Actually somebody should capture group of Americans and call them terrorists. Release no data or location. Only say that they are under a investigation. Let's see what they would say about that??? :gundge: :mad:

So Americans have people stucked in a "warehouse" in Guontanamo. Actually somebody should capture group of Americans and call them terrorists. Release no data or location. Only say that they are under a investigation. Let's see what they would say about that??? :gundge: :mad:
They would most likely call it an act of terrorism. Only they are allowed to do stuff like that.

They've tried that, and it didn't work.

They even killed a few Americans on al-Jazeera, and that didn't faze America.

Think of a better plan, because that one sucks.

yay! another lets bash americans thread! how bout criticize the GOVERNMENT....not the people.

yay! another lets bash americans thread! how bout criticize the GOVERNMENT....not the people.
Arent the people of the US supposed to be the government? By the people, for the people etc...

So Americans have people stucked in a "warehouse" in Guontanamo. Actually somebody should capture group of Americans and call them terrorists. Release no data or location. Only say that they are under a investigation. Let's see what they would say about that??? :gundge: :mad:
If your capturings are as competent as your typing skills, America has nothing to worry about.

Yes, please, abduct random Americans and torture them. Because they are personally responsible for all of their government's actions across the world.

You lose that whole smug superiority thing when you stoop to this kind of level. This is how us Americans are supposed to act, not you guys.

I think he's the guy who took the doll hostage.

Arent the people of the US supposed to be the government? By the people, for the people etc...

What about those of us who did not support Bush this past election?

So Americans have people stucked in a "warehouse" in Guontanamo. Actually somebody should capture group of Americans and call them terrorists. Release no data or location. Only say that they are under a investigation. Let's see what they would say about that??? :gundge: :mad:
Weren't they captured fighting on behalf of Al Quaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan? How is that equivalent to capturing a random group of Americans?

Niini bought the doll from Dragon Models for 45 dollars US.

He bought a few others, so he could claim that he "had captured more Americans".

HA HA HA HA HA HA!

They've tried that, and it didn't work.

They even killed a few Americans on al-Jazeera, and that didn't faze America.

Think of a better plan, because that one sucks.

I just meant that everybody in the world should start to play the same game as Americans. lets not give a s*** about anybody.
And for serious something like the Eu shoul legalize the kidnapping. Let's make it a govermental problem. Or something... :)

Arent the people of the US supposed to be the government? By the people, for the people etc...


You know....youre RIGHT! Let me call George up and give him my suggestions on what to do with this particular situation. While I'm at it, I will tell him to lower taxes, fix the healthcare issues, make gay marriage legal and then pull the troops out of Iraq. Because everyone knows that "we the people" have the power to make him do the right things. I'm sure he's just waiting for my call. :rolleyes:

A wise man once said "DON'T FEED THE TROLLS".

Wisdom is lost on many, it seems.

I just meant that everybody in the world should start to play the same game as Americans. lets not give a s*** about anybody.
And for serious something like the Eu shoul legalize the kidnapping. Let's make it a govermental problem. Or something... :)
You're making the assumption that the people in the Guantanamo Bay facility are innocent. And by all accounts, they aren't, as they were arrested while fighting. I mean, we do hear stories of wrongly arrested folks being released. Hell, they released about a hundred people because it was found out they were innocent.

Yes, please, abduct random Americans and torture them. Because they are personally responsible for all of their government's actions across the world.


Well that is my point... if you didn't see it... :D

Well that is my point... if you didn't see it... :D

You had a point?

A wise man once said "DON'T FEED THE TROLLS".

Wisdom is lost on many, it seems.

*walks in with feeding bag*

It's time for lunch boys!

*throws food at trolls*

Hey, hey, hey... what's with all the violence. Sure, it was just st. bridget's day yesterday (patron saint of peace). Is this irony or coincidence. Did you know that the money spent on weapons in 4 days is enough to feed the starving for a year. Think about it. Make gloves, not war.... i mean love....

You're making the assumption that the people in the Guantanamo Bay facility are innocent. And by all accounts, they aren't, as they were arrested while fighting. I mean, we do hear stories of wrongly arrested folks being released. Hell, they released about a hundred people because it was found out they were innocent.


They are quilty for fighting against intruder... Many of them are foot soldiers I belive... And only recently USA announced that the constitution applies to them. There's got to be somethig wrong about that.

yay! another lets bash americans thread! how bout criticize the GOVERNMENT....not the people.
what about the people who support the government?

I think possibly this is where I write some idealistic crap about the evils of war and violence, but it's never going to stop and I'm too disillusioned and grumpy tonight to type such a post that wouldn't achieve anything anyway. So I'm writing this disillusioned and grumpy one instead. Rarrgh.

what about the people who support the government?


Then clarify the thread with "Problem called the people who support the US governtment" . I get sick of "americans are this and americans are cutting peoples heads off and americans are invading Iraq....." and on and on.....

I am an American and I havent invaded ANYONE. I havent "warehoused" anyone either..as some previous poster said. You have beef with my Govt?....wonderful...cause I probably have more problems with them than you do. Being I live here and all. But dont lump us all into the same damn group. Was everyone in Germany a Nazi? Are all Italians Mobsters?

give me a f-ing break

Just because THEY do it doesn't mean we should stoop to their level.

Also american citizens =/= government

I'm done feeding the troll. It's just that it's rare I get to defend the states, so I had to do it. Good for my relations with the opposite side.

Just because THEY do it doesn't mean we should stoop to their level.

Also american citizens =/= government

I'm done feeding the troll. It's just that it's rare I get to defend the states, so I had to do it. Good for my relations with the opposite side.

Thanks Canuck

Thanks Canuck
Anytime, dear.

Ah yes, Foot Soldiers you say? What military are they from? And why were they not wearing uniforms or claiming to fight for "Iraqi Freedom"? It's because they didn't belong to any military, just a part of a terrorist organization.

Go ahead and kidnap a bunch of American citizens, unfortunately it's been done...not to our soldiers but to our contractors who were helping to build water lines, power stations, schools, hospitals, roads....people who felt it important to get involved and help clean up the mess of war and try to make life easier for the Iraqis....you know what happened to them? There heads were sawed of by barbaric disgusting ...I don't even know what to call them because they're not human. So parade about your pretentious ego and beliefs, glad it's not people like you running the world.

They are quilty for fighting against intruder... Many of them are foot soldiers I belive... And only recently USA announced that the constitution applies to them. There's got to be somethig wrong about that.
Why did the US invade Afghanistan (where the Guantanamo Bay prisoners are from)? Because Afghanistan was directly tied to an attack on the United States. No, it's only an intrusion if it is unwarranted.

As we can tell from the definition from www.dictionary.com

1. The act of intruding or the condition of being intruded on.
2. An inappropriate or unwelcome addition.
3. Law. Illegal entry upon or appropriation of the property of another.
4. Geology.
1. The forcing of molten rock into an earlier formation.
2. The rock mass produced by an intrusive process.

As the first definition is highly circular, we can throw it out, and the geology definitions aren't even slightly relevant, so those can go too. Definition two might apply, but I wouldn't think so. That leaves us with:

3. Law. Illegal entry upon or appropriation of the property of another.

We are mainly interested with definition number three, as we are dealing with law. To make it an intrusion, it would have to be illegal. And was the invasion of Afghanistan illegal? From what we can tell (unless you belive Michael Moore) it was legal. After all, Afghanistan was involved in an attack on the United States.

As such, the people fighting in Afghanistan against the US were allied with the illegal attacks by Afghanistan (as the attacks were clearly illegal, and don't make that dickheaded "the American's brought it on themselves by launching cruise missiles against Afghanistan" arguement. It's totally invalid, as the US was attacked by Al Qaeda, an ally of Afghanistan during previous attacks on the US and US interests. Hence, the originating incident was not the US breaking any rules. The originating incident for the hostility was Operation Desert Storm, something that was also legal) and the illegal attacks made it so that the fighters were also in direct violation of international law. Let alone the fact that they repeatedly violate various portions of the Geneva convention, forfeiting their rights to it as POW's.

As such we can see that no international law protects these folks. And these people aren't being held as criminals, but as some other sort of thing, just as POW's are different from criminals. There's a difference.

America is kick ass. I'd love to see the "EU" capture some americans... The headline would read something like: "The President of the United States announced today that the piling of smoking goo that once was europe will now be used as a giant leech field for American's excess shit."

America is kick ass. I'd love to see the "EU" capture some americans... The headline would read something like: "The President of the United States announced today that the piling of smoking goo that once was europe will now be used as a giant leech field for American's excess shit."

The worrying thing is that George Bush would actually do that. To hell with all the culture and innocents, raise the star spangled banner, it's the American dream.
(Flame disclaimer: this statement is not intended to reflect the ideas of myself or my perception of the American public, but solely of George Bush).

America is kick ass. I'd love to see the "EU" capture some americans... The headline would read something like: "The President of the United States announced today that the piling of smoking goo that once was europe will now be used as a giant leech field for American's excess shit."
And now I'm back to my old self.
That didn't take long.

Trolls :rolleyes:
they come in every variety.

it already is

America is kick ass. I'd love to see the "EU" capture some americans... The headline would read something like: "The President of the United States announced today that the piling of smoking goo that once was europe will now be used as a giant leech field for American's excess shit."
The EU captures American's who commit criminal acts all the time.

And now I'm back to my old self.
That didn't take long.

Trolls :rolleyes:
they come in every variety.

It was fun while it lasted, though.

Whoever started the thread, can they end it? This accomplishes nothing. People are gonna bicker back and forath over whether or not the U.S. had the right to invade Afghanistand, and later, Iraq, without an international consensus or U.N. Approval. Personnally, theres enough of that out there.

And yeah, I agree with some of my countrymen and women here. Don't bash us all for the action's of the Neo-Cons.

And hey, you 'bring it on' Americans. Shut up. Please just.... be quiet, and try to get it into your head thats its really not about your manhood. Its alright. Siddown.

This was the Liberal Privateer, and thats my two cents.

Then clarify the thread with "Problem called the people who support the US governtment" . I get sick of "americans are this and americans are cutting peoples heads off and americans are invading Iraq....." and on and on.....

I am an American and I havent invaded ANYONE. I havent "warehoused" anyone either..as some previous poster said. You have beef with my Govt?....wonderful...cause I probably have more problems with them than you do. Being I live here and all. But dont lump us all into the same damn group. Was everyone in Germany a Nazi? Are all Italians Mobsters?

give me a f-ing break

Exactly.

Excellent post, Peech.

'Americans' are not the problem - because 'Americans' is a sweeping generalisation that doesn't form one cohesive group.

SOME Americans are 'problematic'... and, surprisingly enough, other 'Americans' find them just as much of a problem.

So Americans have people stucked in a "warehouse" in Guontanamo. Actually somebody should capture group of Americans and call them terrorists. Release no data or location. Only say that they are under a investigation. Let's see what they would say about that??? :gundge: :mad:
I think somebody may of already mentioned this, but the US only imprison individuals whom they suspect are terrorists, which I see nothing wrong with as the US government believes they are acting in the country's best interests. I'm sure that if you were president you would want to protect your country and your people from those who are suspected terrorists. Even if they arn't, I'd rather lock them up and interrogate (interrogate, meaning no physical abuse) them rather than risk another terrorist attack on american soil.
Also, I don't see how randomly capturing innocent american civilians is the equivilant of locking up suspected terrorists.

The worrying thing is that George Bush would actually do that. To hell with all the culture and innocents, raise the star spangled banner, it's the American dream.
(Flame disclaimer: this statement is not intended to reflect the ideas of myself or my perception of the American public, but solely of George Bush).
Thanks for the clarification. I had my finger on the flame trigger.

Then clarify the thread with "Problem called the people who support the US governtment" . I get sick of "americans are this and americans are cutting peoples heads off and americans are invading Iraq....." and on and on.....

I am an American and I havent invaded ANYONE. I havent "warehoused" anyone either..as some previous poster said. You have beef with my Govt?....wonderful...cause I probably have more problems with them than you do. Being I live here and all. But dont lump us all into the same damn group. Was everyone in Germany a Nazi? Are all Italians Mobsters?

give me a f-ing break
Good post.

America is kick ass. I'd love to see the "EU" capture some americans... The headline would read something like: "The President of the United States announced today that the piling of smoking goo that once was europe will now be used as a giant leech field for American's excess shit."
I hope you don't include Britain when you say 'EU' :(

I think somebody may of already mentioned this, but the US only imprison individuals whom they suspect are terrorists, which I see nothing wrong with as the US government believes they are acting in the country's best interests. I'm sure that if you were president you would want to protect your country and your people from those who are suspected terrorists. Even if they arn't, I'd rather lock them up and interrogate (interrogate, meaning no physical abuse) them rather than risk another terrorist attack on american soil.
Also, I don't see how randomly capturing innocent american civilians is the equivilant of locking up suspected terrorists.
And not just that, but the people imprisoned are typically captured while fighting US forces, or those associated with the US.

Whoever started the thread, can they end it? This accomplishes nothing. People are gonna bicker back and forath over whether or not the U.S. had the right to invade Afghanistand, and later, Iraq, without an international consensus or U.N. Approval. Personnally, theres enough of that out there.

And yeah, I agree with some of my countrymen and women here. Don't bash us all for the action's of the Neo-Cons.

And hey, you 'bring it on' Americans. Shut up. Please just.... be quiet, and try to get it into your head thats its really not about your manhood. Its alright. Siddown.

This was the Liberal Privateer, and thats my two cents.

*standing ovation*

And not just that, but the people imprisoned are typically captured while fighting US forces, or those associated with the US.
And that too.

Ok, who is going to do it? What country would have the guts? France can only say rude things, but noone would do it. Would you do it? I would. Someone needs to really stand up to the US.

PS: Noone has yet stood up to us, France not joining the war doesnt qualify as standing up to us.

Ok, who is going to do it? What country would have the guts? France can only say rude things, but noone would do it. Would you do it? I would. Someone needs to really stand up to the US.

PS: Noone has yet stood up to us, France not joining the war doesnt qualify as standing up to us.
Why does anyone need to stand up to us? Because we're the one's in power? That's crappy adolescent logic, if that's you reasoning.

The EU captures American's who commit criminal acts all the time.
I meant if they captured them for no reason. Held them against there will...you get the idea. It was in response to something somebody said about caputuring americans...it would never happen. You can't fuck with us.

I just meant that everybody in the world should start to play the same game as Americans. lets not give a s*** about anybody.
And for serious something like the Eu shoul legalize the kidnapping. Let's make it a govermental problem. Or something... :)

hey, pal, why don't you ask the Shi'a majority in Iraq whether or not we give a shit about them.

i'm sick of these f'ing whiners criticising us for doing good work on behalf of others.

and death to all F'ing terrorists. may they rot in hell for making us hunt them down like rabbits.

If we don't hunt terror, maybe the next country hit by them will be... your country. Talk to us then.

Good post.


But I hope you don't include Britain when you say 'EU' :(


thats not my quote doll....thats new leyden.... who said that about EU :)

why does it has my name on it.... ?

I meant if they captured them for no reason. Held them against there will...you get the idea. It was in response to something somebody said about caputuring americans...it would never happen. You can't fuck with us.
Of course this doesn't matter to the discussion at all because the people you have being captured are captured for no reason, whilst the people currently in Guantanmo are captured for a reason.

So Americans have people stucked in a "warehouse" in Guontanamo. Actually somebody should capture group of Americans and call them terrorists. Release no data or location. Only say that they are under a investigation. Let's see what they would say about that??? :gundge: :mad:

The person who started this thread is an idiot. Do you think that we just round up dark-skinned folk who are minding their own business? You think its possible that these people are guilty of terrorist crimes, and we are interrogating them in Gitmo to possibly stop another terrorist attack? The only good thing that would come of you kidnapping an American is that at least the gene pool would be cleansed.

What do you expect America to say? "Jeez Niini, we had no idea. Jimbo, clear out that warehouse we stucked all those innocents in." No, we are going to kill you. Get a brain moran! *deep breath*

thats not my quote doll....thats new leyden.... who said that about EU :)

why does it has my name on it.... ?
Err.. my mistake..
I should probably go change that.

EDIT: All changed :)