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The philosophy of Fascism is flexible, all-inclusive and often complex. This treatise offers in the simplest of terms some answers to the most basic issues.


Race: The media, as well as the educational system, has told people for decades that Fascism is the same thing as the Nazi philosophies of Adolf Hitler. This is simply not true. Fascism began in Italy by Benito Mussolini, actually opposed Nazi Germany before World War II. The American Fascist Party welcomes any American citizen, regardless of race, who wants to join. We are a party of Fascists, not racists, It's that simple.



Religion: Nothing tangles people up quicker than arguing over religion. The greatest of American patriots, our nations founding fathers, were correct in recommending the separation of church and state. We are a political organization, not a religious organization, and therefore prefer to adhere to that wisdom. Membership, regardless of religious beliefs, is welcomed in the AFP.



Government Structure: As it is obvious to most, the current government system has become a gang of self-serving crooks who have sold out our great nation and betrayed the trust of the American people. There are a few exceptional individuals, of course, but for the most part this is true. The AFP wants a strong moral government with a strong leader, however we are also well aware that, as Thomas Jefferson said, "government is best which governs least." We advocate a return to true states rights, individual responsibility, and individual freedom.



Economics: The government says everything is fine, and it is...for them. They continue to steal vast amounts of your money in the name of taxes, which they spend like water for nonsensical "projects," or, in many cases, on themselves. Further, our current economic base is tied to a world monetary system, subject to recession and depression. We should withdraw from this flawed system, and once again base the American economy on the productivity of the American worker.



Foreign Policy: Although we are not isolationists, the AFP belief is that our best foreign policy is to stay at home. Events over the past four decades certainly prove this. American troops are being used as pawns in an international chess game by cynical politicians whose only motive is profiteering greed. Veterans from the last several wars have been stabbed in the back; yet they're expected to be loyal to the government that betrayed them. If you have any further questions about this subject, just ask a vet.



Most people in this country know that "everything is upside-down." A true Fascist government in America would change all this. The AFP recognizes the "balance factor" in which, individual freedom is balanced with equal responsibility. National strength, military, economic, and political is balanced with the need to use such strength wisely, and with restraint. Productivity is balanced with a need to protect the environment.



If you agree with these sentiments, then congratulations, you may already be a Fascist! If you want to work against Communist treason and the U.N. dominated "New World Order," you just might belong in the American Fascist Party.



Give it some thought, and then take action!


The AFP's Websites and E-groups-


The American Fascist Party - Main Website

http://www.geocities.com/amfascpty/

...And Coming soon -

http://www.americanfascistparty.com

The American Fascist Party - Main Yahoo Email Group (where you can become a member)

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fascistpartyofamerica/

The Iron Guard of America - The Party's Security Service

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fascistironguard/

The Fascist Institute of Technology - Sponsoring Research and Development Into
Alternative Technologies

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fascinstoftech/

Iron Guard, Michigan Command

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Iron_Guard_Michigan_Command/



Associated Groups' Websites


American Fascist Movement

http://www.americanfascistmovement.com/

Sir Oswald Mosley

http://www.oswaldmosley.com/

Fascist Confederation

Will you please stop posting these advertisements for other sites? It's getting really fucking annoying.

NO! If you dont like it then dont read it! Its my right and freedom to promote my political party! Its called the GENERAL forum. Used to talk about anything! Like it or lump it!

Actually no one here has rights except the ones given by the rules.

The rules say no spam.

This is NOT spam! Its a pefectly legal way to promote my political party! Spamming would be posting something totaly irrevalant to politics or posting this more than once a day! which I have done neither of the two. And usually I may post this only twice a week! So again, you dont like or have seen it before then dont read it!

a political theory advocating an authoritarian hierarchical government (as opposed to democracy or liberalism)

often Fascism...
A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.

Oppressive, dictatorial control.

omgusuxdieplzkthxbye

Sigh

Give it a break.

I read it. So I don't want to see it again. It's unnessecary. If they wanted to be fascists they would find the thread.

I like Facism...

From what this guy posts, he makes the AFP sound like patriotic economic conservatives. Why bother to join the fascist party when their current policy pretty much matches that of parties which already exist?

Bennito Mussolini, I am fairly sure, was not an advocate of governmental restraint. His idea of Fascism was a philosophy of belligerance, dictatorship rule and the superiority of the Italian people over all other nationalities.

"Originally Posted by The Almighty Internet
a political theory advocating an authoritarian hierarchical government (as opposed to democracy or liberalism)

often Fascism...
A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.

Oppressive, dictatorial control.



omgusuxdieplzkthxbye "

That is not what Fascism is! We all know that the winners of the war write history and they make up that crap to scare people into believing that there enemy was totally wrong and evil. That description would define National Socialism but not Fascism! In fact in Fascist Italy, Mussolini opposed Nazi Germany before the war! Read over what the AFP stands for and get used to the fact that we are being lied to about Fascism and that we are going to change that and edcuate people about what Fascism really is!

This is NOT spam! Its a pefectly legal way to promote my political party! Spamming would be posting something totaly irrevalant to politics or posting this more than once a day! which I have done neither of the two. And usually I may post this only twice a week! So again, you dont like or have seen it before then dont read it!

Fascism is irrelevant. We had a war to sort that one out. Sadly little oiks like you think it still is.

Suggest you spend your time at school actually learning something usefull like bricklaying.

I like Facism...

Then you should think about joining my friend.

Actually no one here has rights except the ones given by the rules.

The rules say no spam.

Fascist. ;)

That is not what Fascism is! We all know that the winners of the war write history and they make up that crap to scare people into believing that there enemy was totally wrong and evil. That description would define National Socialism but not Fascism! In fact in Fascist Italy, Mussolini opposed Nazi Germany before the war! Read over what the AFP stands for and get used to the fact that we are being lied to about Fascism and that we are going to change that and edcuate people about what Fascism really is!

Mussolini explicitly supported war for the sake of domination and the superiority of Italy over every other nation. I'm sure if I look hard enough I can find actual footage or sound recording of him saying this.

Well technically it's not spam. It's actually more like a weak loophole to the rule about "No Gravedigging." Only instead of bumping up the old thread they just repost it. So I'd say that's still rule-breaking.

Fascist. ;)

Damn!!! LOL!!! :)

"Fascism is irrelevant. We had a war to sort that one out. Sadly little oiks like you think it still is.

Suggest you spend your time at school actually learning something usefull like bricklaying. "

Total BS. Like many others you believe everything you hear and read. Fascism is nothing like Nazism! The war was on the Nazi's! Fascist Italy was just stupid enough to ally themeslves with Nazi Germany (which Mussolini actually despised the Nazi's before the war) American Fascism is not about rascism or dictatorships! Its just another political party! One that is for the people and not corrupted like the Democrats or Republicans which you all so blindly follow.

You all moan and complain that our govt and its people are corrupt yet you go to the polls and vote for them anyways! Join the revolution to end the corrupt ways of the U.S. Govt.! That is what the AFP is here for!

OK, I read your site *Geocities... such prestige :p* and just found a lot of preamble.

So, give it to me straight.

In three lines or less, tell me what you stand for. In clear, simple terms.

Well technically it's not spam. It's actually more like a weak loophole to the rule about "No Gravedigging." Only instead of bumping up the old thread they just repost it. So I'd say that's still rule-breaking.

Since I only post this once...maybe twice a week. The old theard is lost so I have no choice but to repost it.

I like Totalitarianism, espically when they kill loads of people.
And Totalitarianism happens to include Fascism.

By the way, read your history, Naziism (National Socialism) is a form of Fascism.
Thus, Nazi's are Fascists, much the same way Libertarians are Liberals, just a subdivision of it all (More extreme, or less extreme for example.)

So yea, go read up on Fascism, and good old Benito didn't oppose Hitler, he just didn't care what Hitler did. Benito was only concerned with Italy, until he entered the second world war on the German side to gain German support in taking Northern Africa, which the Italians believed to be rightfully theirs. Espically Etheopia.


Now an American Stalinism party, I'd join that, hell, I'd become an American citizen JUST to join that.
Go Stalin!

"Fascism is irrelevant. We had a war to sort that one out. Sadly little oiks like you think it still is.

Suggest you spend your time at school actually learning something usefull like bricklaying. "

Total BS. Like many others you believe everything you hear and read. Fascism is nothing like Nazism! The war was on the Nazi's! Fascist Italy was just stupid enough to ally themeslves with Nazi Germany (which Mussolini actually despised the Nazi's before the war) American Fascism is not about rascism or dictatorships! Its just another political party! One that is for the people and not corrupted like the Democrats or Republicans which you all so blindly follow.

You all moan and complain that our govt and its people are corrupt yet you go to the polls and vote for them anyways! Join the revolution to end the corrupt ways of the U.S. Govt.! That is what the AFP is here for!

Well for a start you have no graps on the realities of Il Duce.....Ethiopia might be a good start.

As for being a Dem or a Rep....sorry sonny but I follow neither party. Nor any other 'party'. For me the best role for politicians is as targets for my Lee - Enfield .303 that my grandad liberated from a Japanese soldier.

Vote - oppps wrong again. I do not vote. If I had an option for none of the above I would though.

From what this guy posts, he makes the AFP sound like patriotic economic conservatives. Why bother to join the fascist party when their current policy pretty much matches that of parties which already exist?

Bennito Mussolini, I am fairly sure, was not an advocate of governmental restraint. His idea of Fascism was a philosophy of belligerance, dictatorship rule and the superiority of the Italian people over all other nationalities.


Actually Fascism in its truest form promotes Nationalism through praise of the nations pass achievements and highlights the nations power in the world scene. A true fascist system says that any nation that as made a positive influence in the advancement of civilization and the world deserves to be a nationstate and has its culture recognized. Those cultures that have not made significant advances or achievements are not deserving to be nationstates and therefore should be controlled by those that are deserving.

So by definition the Roman Empire was fascist, The British Empire was Fascist because they brought civilizations to the uncivilized because they felt as civilized nations they had to contribute to there nation and bring praise to it by showing others the true way.

Alright, I've found a few actual quotes from ol' Ben himself.

To be honest they do little to convice me that he was a peace-loving, democratic and benevolent leader.

All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.

The function of a citizen and a soldier are inseparable.

The truth is that men are tired of liberty.

Blood alone moves the wheels of history.

OK, I read your site *Geocities... such prestige :p* and just found a lot of preamble.

So, give it to me straight.

In three lines or less, tell me what you stand for. In clear, simple terms.

First off, there is a .com site coming soon. There is a story behind why they dont have one yet but its too long to talk about right now.

The AFP stands for this. America first! Like our founding fathers said "stay out of foreign affairs" We believe we should take care of whats wrong in America first and not worry about whats happening in other countries. A good example would be the Iraq situation. We should have just left them alone.

Return government to the people and states. Again like our founding fathers said "The best Govt. is the one that governs the least." That pretty much explains itself I think.

Basically the AFP is this, you all complain about how corrupt our Govt. is and the officials are but what do you do about it? Nothing! You go to the polls and vote them back in! How is that changing anything? Its not! A new party is needed to reshape America! and that will be the American Fascist Party!

So, give it to me straight.

In three lines or less, tell me what you stand for. In clear, simple terms.
Yeah, I think we need that. Because I couldn't find a single position on a single issue on their website.

What are you positions on the issues, O great AFP?

EDIT:
Evern in that last post, nothing was said. So it still stands, what are the positions of the AFP on the issues of today?

Well for a start you have no graps on the realities of Il Duce.....Ethiopia might be a good start.

As for being a Dem or a Rep....sorry sonny but I follow neither party. Nor any other 'party'. For me the best role for politicians is as targets for my Lee - Enfield .303 that my grandad liberated from a Japanese soldier.

Vote - oppps wrong again. I do not vote. If I had an option for none of the above I would though.

You can be arrested for making comments like that.

You can be arrested for making comments like that.

which comment? the not voting one?? ;)

*locks and loads IGNORE Cannon*

Gave you a chance to tell me simply. That was just more waffle.

Abortion?
Drugs?
Smoking?
Civil Unions?
Freedom of Speech?
Freedom of Expression?
Monitoring Powers?
Corporate Dealings?
Conscription?
National Draft?
Social Policies?
Government / Individual Centric?
Transport?
Alternate Energy?
Foreign Policy?

Etcetera etcetera ad nauseum.

The American Fascist Party - Main Website

http://www.geocities.com/amfascpty/


Something makes me warry of a politcal party whose main website is on geocities.

Well that and the advocating facism part. Just those two things, though.

Alright, I've found a few actual quotes from ol' Ben himself.

To be honest they do little to convice me that he was a peace-loving, democratic and benevolent leader.

You just keep bringing up the past! This Fascism is the true form of Fascism and has been modified for the times! Get used to it! Things change. Just because Benito was a main factor in Fascism doesnt mean that we follow and preach what he and the idiot Hitler did. If you would actually go through and read what I posted in the first place you would have noticed this by now. But again your just like everyone else, you blindly follow what the Govt. tells you and you dont want to accept the truth.

*locks and loads IGNORE Cannon*

Gave you a chance to tell me simply. That was just more waffle.

Abortion?
Drugs?
Smoking?
Civil Unions?
Freedom of Speech?
Freedom of Expression?
Monitoring Powers?
Corporate Dealings?
Conscription?
National Draft?
Social Policies?
Government / Individual Centric?
Transport?
Alternate Energy?
Foreign Policy?

Etcetera etcetera ad nauseum.

Go to the site and contact our leader Seth directly. He will email all that info right back to you!

Alright, I've found a few actual quotes from ol' Ben himself.

Originally Posted by Benito Mussolini
All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Benito Mussolini
The function of a citizen and a soldier are inseparable.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Benito Mussolini
The truth is that men are tired of liberty.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Benito Mussolini
Blood alone moves the wheels of history.

It might not be democratic but alot of what he is saying is true.

The first quote is basically say that if you live in the State you should support and if you don't you should leave it.

Second quote is true without the citizen backing the soldier there is no way to supply the warmachine. The citizen in the factories at home supplies the soldiers in the field.

Third quote. Also somewhat true alot of people feel that liberties have been taken too far.

Fourth quote is definately true. Think about it almost every major invention came out of the desire to make war more efficiently or more deadly. The first machines that were designed to copy the shape of one object and mold into another(i.e. a key copy machine) were designed to build guns. Nuclear Power. Steamships all were originally constructed to wage war.

You just keep bringing up the past! This Fascism is the true form of Fascism and has been modified for the times! Get used to it! Things change. Just because Benito was a main factor in Fascism doesnt mean that we follow and preach what he and the idiot Hitler did. If you would actually go through and read what I posted in the first place you would have noticed this by now. But again your just like everyone else, you blindly follow what the Govt. tells you and you dont want to accept the truth.


Actually, since Benito actually created Fascism, I think it precident that what he says is Fascist policy, is Fascism.

Thus, if you don't follow what he preached, then you're not Fascist, get a new name.

On the up side, you've inspired me to create my own political party..

You just keep bringing up the past! This Fascism is the true form of Fascism and has been modified for the times! Get used to it! Things change.

Maybe you need a new party name to go along with the other changes.

[The American "We Really Are Nice People Now" Fascist Party]

which comment? the not voting one?? ;)
no for saying you want to shoot them.

The AFP stands for this. America first! Like our founding fathers said "stay out of foreign affairs" We believe we should take care of whats wrong in America first and not worry about whats happening in other countries. A good example would be the Iraq situation. We should have just left them alone.

The world of the 1700's is a lot different from that in the 2000's. We cannot cut ourselves off from the world anymore, we need to be actively involved in foreign policy or we weaken ourselves. Iraq yes I also agree was a mistake, but so do a lot of other parties so this hardly gives yours any more legitimacy.

Return government to the people and states. Again like our founding fathers said "The best Govt. is the one that governs the least." That pretty much explains itself I think.

Again impossible unless you mean to completely rewrite the vast majority of laws since the Civil War, and frankly I trust the national government far more than the state where corruption and idiocy is perhaps even more rampant.


Basically the AFP is this, you all complain about how corrupt our Govt. is and the officials are but what do you do about it? Nothing! You go to the polls and vote them back in! How is that changing anything? Its not! A new party is needed to reshape America! and that will be the American Fascist Party!

I can support some third parties, but most third parties have far more clearcut goals than you do. You offer nothing but promises to end the vague conspiracy of "corruption." This comes off as more a paranoid cult than a political party.

Something makes me warry of a politcal party whose main website is on geocities.

Well that and the advocating facism part. Just those two things, though.

Again you people are unable to read! Its only temporarily on geocities! there .com website is coming soon! Oh did you not read that part or do you like to bring up petty things like that!? There is a reason for this but its too long of a story to get into.

Anyways, I must be going to work now. If anyone is interested in the AFP you may telegram my nationstates nation of Fascist Emerica. Please at the top of the post write AFP. Thanks.

Hey, what do you know, I'm actually totaly unconvinced!

Go to the site and contact our leader Seth directly. He will email all that info right back to you!

Seth eh? *ignores Stargate story nagging at him*

Buddy, I'm your average voter right here.

I'm bored.
I'm lazy.
I'm most likely to choose the status quo simply because change is awkward.

I'm the person you must rely on if you want to get anything done.

So no. Provide that information to me. Don't make me go looking for it.

Actually, since Benito actually created Fascism, I think it precident that what he says is Fascist policy, is Fascism.

Thus, if you don't follow what he preached, then you're not Fascist, get a new name.

On the up side, you've inspired me to create my own political party..

Uh the theory and idea of fascism existed before Benito. People wrote books beforehim about the ideas of Fascism with Benito took and adopted on his for government.

What your basically saying would be that Marx didn't actually come up with the idea of communism because he never applied it in a country and Lenin was the true creator. Marx came up with the idea Lenin and Stalin applied it in their own images.

Same thing with Fascism someone came up with the idea and Benito applied it with his own twists.

no for saying you want to shoot them.

but I did not say that :)

Actually, since Benito actually created Fascism, I think it precident that what he says is Fascist policy, is Fascism.

Thus, if you don't follow what he preached, then you're not Fascist, get a new name.

On the up side, you've inspired me to create my own political party..

Exactly! If you disagree with the man who invented the bloody system in the firstplace, you're probably not of the same philosophy as he is.

It's just like saying "I'm a Marxist, but everything Marx said was a bunch of crap" or "I'm a nihilist, but what the hell was Nietszche on about?"

Kudos to Mr Brooks -

Germany was having trouble, what a sad, sad story
Needed a new leader to restore its former glory
Where oh where was he? Where could that man be?
We looked around, and then we found, the man for you and me,
And now it's ...

Springtime for Hitler and Germany,
Deutschland is happy and gay.
We're marching to a faster pace,
Look out, here comes the master race.

Springtime for Hitler and Germany,
Winter for Poland and France.
Springtime for Hitler and Germany,
Come on, Germans, go into your dance ...

I was born in Dusseldorf, and that is why they call me Rolf.
Don't be stupid, be a smarty, come and join the Nazi party.

Springtime for Hitler and Germany
(Gun fires twice)
Goose-step's the new step today
(Machine gun fires)
Bombs falling from the skies again,
(Bomb falls and explodes)
Deutschland is on the rise again

Springtime for Hitler and Germany
U-boats are sailing once more
[woman's voice]: "Well! Talk about bad taste!"
Springtime for Hitler and Germany
Means ... that ... soon we'll be going ...
We've got to be going ...
You know we'll be going to ... WAR!

That is not what Fascism is! We all know that the winners of the war write history and they make up that crap to scare people into believing that there enemy was totally wrong and evil. That description would define National Socialism but not Fascism! In fact in Fascist Italy, Mussolini opposed Nazi Germany before the war! Read over what the AFP stands for and get used to the fact that we are being lied to about Fascism and that we are going to change that and edcuate people about what Fascism really is!
If Italy opposed Nazi Germany before WW2, why did they make an alliance with Hitler in 1936?

Do you think that Mussolini's foreign policy was restrained? He invaded Abysinnia!

but I did not say that :)

For me the best role for politicians is as targets for my Lee - Enfield .303

that.

Uh the theory and idea of fascism existed before Benito. People wrote books beforehim about the ideas of Fascism with Benito took and adopted on his for government.

What your basically saying would be that Marx didn't actually come up with the idea of communism because he never applied it in a country and Lenin was the true creator. Marx came up with the idea Lenin and Stalin applied it in their own images.

Same thing with Fascism someone came up with the idea and Benito applied it with his own twists.

But earlier in this post, "Fascist Emerica" was defending Mussolini and going on about "Hitler wasn't a fascist, Mussolini was a true fascist!"

FUCK YOU ! YOU AND YOUR FASCISM !
TESTA DI CAZZO !(translate: head like dick)
Stupid American Fascist...! :

From Italy

This guy hardly describes his positions honestly. Sounds a little good and reasonable on the surface but when you did deeper, there is "social engineering" going on as a big part of this philosophy as with any statist philososphy: Socialism, Marxism, Communism, Socialism, Pinkism, etc. The problem with this party like so many others is the tendancy to interfere with the behavior of individuals. Just leave me alone is all I ask of my government!
Leave my wallet alone and leave my personal affairs alone! Give me freedom!
Anything less is slavery!

The philosophy of Fascism is flexible, all-inclusive and often complex...Most people in this country know that "everything is upside-down." A true Fascist government in America would change all this. The AFP recognizes the "balance factor" in which, individual freedom is balanced with equal responsibility. National strength, military, economic, and political is balanced with the need to use such strength wisely, and with restraint. Productivity is balanced with a need to protect the environment.

I find it amazing the number of people who post in the NS forum who are perfectly willing to ignore history in their attempt to make symbols and ideologies mean whatever they want them to.

Apologists for southern secession pretend the Confederate battle flag has no connection what-so-ever to racism or bigotry. Young hip-hop artists use the term "nigga" and act as if the violent and discriminatory history of that word has no bearing on their usage of it. Wanna-be Communists go to great pains to ignore the murderous legacy of their ideology and pretend there has never been a "true" communist government.

And now we have someone putting a fresh new coat of paint on the old discredited philosophy of fascism, ignoring the 20th century history of that tired old ideology, pretending that is nothing but good old fashion Americanism.

Adrienne Rich was correct: "False history gets written every day."

Uh the theory and idea of fascism existed before Benito. People wrote books beforehim about the ideas of Fascism with Benito took and adopted on his for government.

What your basically saying would be that Marx didn't actually come up with the idea of communism because he never applied it in a country and Lenin was the true creator. Marx came up with the idea Lenin and Stalin applied it in their own images.

Same thing with Fascism someone came up with the idea and Benito applied it with his own twists.


Actually, Benito came up with Fascism, based on ideas before him of course. But the political entity, and the name Fascism, are his. Thus, if you don't follow what the guy who created Fascism advocated for it, then is it Fascism? I think not.


And last I checked, Lenin was a Bolshevik (spelling?), which was based on Marxist teachings.
And technicly no, whoever started the first official political party to call itself "Communist", is the creator of Communism.

There never was and never will be a need for fascists. The communists are almost beaten and so will the terrorists be. Taxes are not stealing they are a vital part of any functioning counrty. We need more americans loyal to the government not tinpot fascists

For me the best role for politicians is as targets for my Lee - Enfield .303

that.

Yes and where do I say that I actually wat to go out and shoot people?

My statement is rhetorical :rolleyes:

You do know what that means?

I find it amazing the number of people who post in the NS forum who are perfectly willing to ignore history in their attempt to make symbols and ideologies mean whatever they want them to.

Apologists for southern secession pretend the Confederate battle flag has no connection what-so-ever to racism or bigotry. Young hip-hop artists use the term "nigga" and act as if the violent and discriminatory history of that word has no bearing on their usage of it. Wanna-be Communists go to great pains to ignore the murderous legacy of their ideology and pretend there has never been a "true" communist government.

And now we have someone putting a fresh new coat of paint on the old discredited philosophy of fascism, ignoring the 20th century history of that tired old ideology, pretending that is nothing but good old fashion Americanism.

Adrienne Rich was correct: "False history gets written every day."

I agree. Dismissing all of the past emperical failures of a political ideology as "not the TRUE ideology" is a propsterous style of argument.

Yes and where do I say that I actually wat to go out and shoot people?

My statement is rhetorical :rolleyes:

You do know what that means?

yes but its still a threat. call up the white house or FBI and tell them that then say its just a rhetorical statement then see what happens.

yes but its still a threat. call up the white house or FBI and tell them that then say its just a rhetorical statement then see what happens.

Oh well geeee whiz! What makes you think I live in the US??

As it is its just a thought. You might not like it...well obviously you don't like it. But if I was living in the US I would be protected by the First.

Luckily most educated and intelligent people are not knee jerk dunderheads unable to distinguish the difference between a threat and a thought.

You will make a great Thought Policeman.

aka Fascist.

yes but its still a threat. call up the white house or FBI and tell them that then say its just a rhetorical statement then see what happens.

Hmmm, a threat would rather be: "I'm going to kill someone with my Enfield .303"
"I would like to kill someone" isn't a threat since it does not state intent to actually do so.
Likewise, "I'm going to kill you" is a threat while "I would like to kill you" may be seen as a threat and "I would like to kill you but I won't" isn't.

The summarize, the definition for threat:


1. An expression of an intention to inflict pain, injury, evil, or punishment.
2. An indication of impending danger or harm.
3. One that is regarded as a possible danger; a menace.

Edit: But this is OT, sorry, just wanted to clear that up.

Oh well geeee whiz! What makes you think I live in the US??

As it is its just a thought. You might not like it...well obviously you don't like it. But if I was living in the US I would be protected by the First.

Luckily most educated and intelligent people are not knee jerk dunderheads unable to distinguish the difference between a threat and a thought.

You will make a great Thought Policeman.

aka Fascist.

Theres a difference between saying you dislike the government and want to change it then saying you want to assasinate governmental officials. You can say you hate the government all you want and wish it was different but once you start saying that you want to/will shoot them it is considered a threat.

Hmmm, a threat would rather be: "I'm going to kill someone with my Enfield .303"
"I would like to kill someone" isn't a threat since it does not state intent to actually do so.
Likewise, "I'm going to kill you" is a threat while "I would like to kill you" may be seen as a threat and "I would like to kill you but I won't" isn't.

The summarize, the definition for threat:



Edit: But this is OT, sorry, just wanted to clear that up.

It depends on the person really. If you said it about some random person you wouldnt have a problem. But if you said it about a government official you can bet your ass you'll get visited by the police espically if you said it about someone high up in the system. If someone said that about Bush that is considered Felon because its a threat to kill the president and they would definately be arrested.

Theres a difference between saying you dislike the government and want to change it then saying you want to assasinate governmental officials. You can say you hate the government all you want and wish it was different but once you start saying that you want to/will shoot them it is considered a threat.

can't be bothered to argue the toss with you

It depends on the person really. If you said it about some random person you wouldnt have a problem. But if you said it about a government official you can bet your ass you'll get visited by the police espically if you said it about someone high up in the system. If someone said that about Bush that is considered Felon because its a threat to kill the president and they would definately be arrested.

Well, then the US has some twisted laws since by definition, wishing someone dead and wanting to kill him/her isn't a crime(unless you show intent to actually follow through) unless its someone "important".
Would saying "I would like to have Ben Afflec hanged" get me charged, is he important enough? Or is it only goveners, senators, ministers, judges and presidents that are protected by this special "elite" law?

Let's try it:D

I would like to strangle Göran Persson. (not that I will even try, but still)

Now, I'll let you all know if the swedish authorities comes knocking on my door within the next week, I'll keep you updated on any changes.

probably. Look at how it works with stalkers. If an ex husband is stalking his ex wife the police just give a restraining order and thats the end of it until he breaks the restraining order then he gets a slap on the wrist until he actually commits a major felony.

Now if a celebrity gets stalked when the person gets caught the first time they are put in jail with 500 thousand dollar bail and get sentences that are greater then a guy who killed someone.

"Fascism is irrelevant. We had a war to sort that one out. Sadly little oiks like you think it still is.

Suggest you spend your time at school actually learning something usefull like bricklaying. "

Total BS. Like many others you believe everything you hear and read. Fascism is nothing like Nazism! The war was on the Nazi's! Fascist Italy was just stupid enough to ally themeslves with Nazi Germany (which Mussolini actually despised the Nazi's before the war) American Fascism is not about rascism or dictatorships! Its just another political party! One that is for the people and not corrupted like the Democrats or Republicans which you all so blindly follow.

You all moan and complain that our govt and its people are corrupt yet you go to the polls and vote for them anyways! Join the revolution to end the corrupt ways of the U.S. Govt.! That is what the AFP is here for!

Yes. Vote a fascist party in, and you will never have to bother with the rigmarole of voting, ever again!

Yes. Vote a fascist party in, and you will never have to bother with the rigmarole of voting, ever again!
Rigmarole sounds like Italian food. And also sorta like ragamuffin.
:)

probably. Look at how it works with stalkers. If an ex husband is stalking his ex wife the police just give a restraining order and thats the end of it until he breaks the restraining order then he gets a slap on the wrist until he actually commits a major felony.

Now if a celebrity gets stalked when the person gets caught the first time they are put in jail with 500 thousand dollar bail and get sentences that are greater then a guy who killed someone.

Oh, but the issue isn't stalking, its wishing someone dead, not stalking or killing or indeed even threatning, just wishing.
Wishing someone dead is, asfar as I know, not illegal in any case in democratic states.
But nevermind, I'm off to bed and we'll see if the swedish police gets in contact with me for wanting our prime minister dead ;)

I was just pointing out how for different classes of people different rules apply.

Yes. Vote a fascist party in, and you will never have to bother with the rigmarole of voting, ever again!

Yay!