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Yes it should. AFTER the Big One occurs. :D

no....

I'll solve this for you. I'll just have my state (Alaska) leave instead.

Should California leave the united states?
Does it have a choice? Does any State?

If Schwarzenegger would take his state away from the Union, Bush couldnt do anything about it. Nobody messes with Schwarzenegger and gets away with it. Like in that one movie Arnold made... where he killed those who opposed him....

I believe only Texas can cede the Union. At least I remember in school that when Congress ratified the nation of Texas’ process of union we had to permit them to retain the ability to break away and form it’s own nation again; The republic of Texas with four of its own internal states.

Technically any state that votes to leave should be able too but you can expect the army to come crashing down on you if you try. Each state lost is reduction in power & influence in Washington DC and besides it would start a trend. Nevada would go next!

Here's hoping that California sinks into the sea. Well, the coastal regions of California anyway. The rest votes Republican.

Physically, and geologically, I don't think it has much choice.

We'll break off and go hang with Hawaii.

Alaska can come too.

:fluffle: ;)

I believe only Texas can cede the Union. At least I remember in school that when Congress ratified the nation of Texas’ process of union we had to permit them to retain the ability to break away and form it’s own nation again; The republic of Texas with four of its own internal states.

Technically any state that votes to leave should be able too but you can expect the army to come crashing down on you if you try. Each state lost is reduction in power & influence in Washington DC and besides it would start a trend. Nevada would go next!

I was taught is was five states. But I believe we lost that right during reconstruction. The Union forced southern states to rewrite their constitutions.
We currently have some militia nuts called The Republic of Texas that are pressing that point.

This state is just gonna fall off and sink in the next few years anyway. I'm waitin' for the big 7 pointer that'll send us to fucking oblivion.


That's why I'm leavin.

Only if it takes New Jersey. Then it can go.

The poll is bogus as it doesn't present the legitimate choice:

"Should they? How the hell do we kick them out?"

:D

Physically, and geologically, I don't think it has much choice.

Only the northern portions of the State. IE all those loonies in San Francisco : D

This state is just gonna fall off and sink in the next few years anyway. I'm waitin' for the big 7 pointer that'll send us to fucking oblivion.


That's why I'm leavin.
Pfff. 7s are just rides.

And they happen, what? Every 80 years? Yet hurricanes, tornados, and floods have seasons. Most of our structures are earthquake proof (I live near the epicenter of the last one and the only effect is that one of the buildings had to be braced.) Given the comparative risks, I'll take earthquakes.

I love this state, man. And we should split off. Good luck without us!!!

Only if it takes New Jersey. Then it can go.Have fun without your pharmaceuticals and refined oil. Not to mention Hagen Daaz.

Yes...when can we get out?

The USA is a federation, I believe I am right in this, if not ignore this and shoot me. So California could simply leave the federation if it wanted to. Rather like giving up membership of a club.
If this is the case, why does it not do so?

The USA is a federation, I believe I am right in this, if not ignore this and shoot me. So California could simply leave the federation if it wanted to. Rather like giving up membership of a club.
If this is the case, why does it not do so?
A few states tested that theory, little over a hundred years ago. Turns out, there's fine print.

The USA is a federation, I believe I am right in this, if not ignore this and shoot me. So California could simply leave the federation if it wanted to. Rather like giving up membership of a club.
If this is the case, why does it not do so?

'member what happened the last time states tried separating from the republic?

I don't think you can just seceed from the union, unless you are willing to fight a war agains them. And even if you do it what is the point? it's not like things are going to be much better after.

Nah, we need California for the electoral votes.

California rightfully belongs to Mexico.

Besides, something tells me that even if California left, the military of the rest of the United States would easily conquer it. Additionally, this scenario was in Popular Science/Mechanics a couple of years ago. I remember that California lost horribly.

Besides, something tells me that even if California left, the military of the rest of the United States would easily conquer it. Additionally, this scenario was in Popular Science/Mechanics a couple of years ago. I remember that California lost horribly.
Yeah, well-theoraticly we could conquer Mexico or Canada right now. But we don't. 'Cause we're not playing Risk.

Though, history shows that we wouldn't be able to go with out a fight. Unless we're all stretched out, strained across the globe trying to hold dow-...

Hmmm.

Maybe Bush does have a plus side....

California rightfully belongs to Mexico.

Washington and Oregeon state used to belong to what became British Columbia. Givem back!

Washington and Oregeon state used to belong to what became British Columbia. Givem back!
And the Louisiana territory should be resold to France. For 10 million dollars.

California rightfully belongs to Mexico.
We had become more trouble than we where worth to Mexico long before becoming part of the US. The Bear Flag revolt was like thirty people and General Vallejo just invited them in.

'Course, then someone found gold in Sutter's Mill....

We had become more trouble than we where worth to Mexico long before becoming part of the US. The Bear Flag revolt was like thirty people and General Vallejo just invited them in.

'Course, then someone found gold in Sutter's Mill....
Even back then Americans were causing troubles.

Even back then Americans were causing troubles.
It's actually the start of a long tradition of people who aren't from California coming here, gettin' all bitchy and demanding crap. And the people who've been here not caring either way.

It used to be it's own nation, for a few months. The Califoirnian Republic or something.

That's why it has, "CALIFORNIA REPUBLIC" on it's flag, and the red star and stripe.

California rightfully belongs to Mexico.

Mexico rightfully belongs to Texas.

There is no choice that they should leave, they cant :headbang:

I believe only Texas can cede the Union. At least I remember in school that when Congress ratified the nation of Texas’ process of union we had to permit them to retain the ability to break away and form it’s own nation again; The republic of Texas with four of its own internal states.

Technically any state that votes to leave should be able too but you can expect the army to come crashing down on you if you try. Each state lost is reduction in power & influence in Washington DC and besides it would start a trend. Nevada would go next!

As has been pointed out, California was an independent republic for a time. I'd be surprised if they didn't have a similar provision -- and I'd be surprised if they'd be allowed to exercise it.

We certainly have the population, land mass, and GNP to make us comparable to a number of countries. But I don't think the USA would let us go.

The thing is, no matter what the technicalities, we're at least a separate country, if not two. And a few parts of us are more like a separate planet.

:D

California rightfully belongs to Mexico.

I thought it belonged to the indigenous "Americans" who were murdered and brutalized when we took it away from them ... like the rest of the New World.

I'd say it deserves to be KICKED out. A republican governor against guns...that's just f*&#ed up. It's practically a socialist country on its own already.

Mexico rightfully belongs to Texas.
To use a quaint English expression I think you have this arse about tit.

Here's hoping that California sinks into the sea. Well, the coastal regions of California anyway. The rest votes Republican.
hurray, lets wish death on those who dont share the same political ideals as us!! ooh ooh, lets round them up and "ecourage" them to "relocate" to "camps" in north dakota

Here's hoping that California sinks into the sea. Well, the coastal regions of California anyway. The rest votes Republican.

Er... San Diego?

Mexico rightfully belongs to Texas.

ROTFLMAO!! (nice!!)

Actually, Mexico technically belongs to President Polk... :D

If conservatives were actually interested in efficient government rather than saving themselves a few bucks in taxes they'd be in favor of the dissolution of the union. The federal government is a needless expenditure of government functions that the states provide more efficiently on their own. The only thing the federal government is useful for is a free trade and military union, and those functions can be provided for without the useless and bloated bureaucracy that is the major employer in Washington, DC. So yes, California should secede, and so should all the other states.

I thought it belonged to the indigenous "Americans" who were murdered and brutalized when we took it away from them ... like the rest of the New World.

Only after those "indigenous" peoples slaughtered the Ainu settlers along the Pacific

Maybe Washington D.C. should be its own country. You think California is a blue state...

hurray, lets wish death on those who dont share the same political ideals as us!! ooh ooh, lets round them up and "ecourage" them to "relocate" to "camps" in north dakota

Who in their right mind would let themselves be taken to North Dakota? It needs to at least be plausible. We need to "concentrate" them in loving "communes."

Communes of death! muahahaha

Maybe Washington D.C. should be its own country. You think California is a blue state...

Hey, just because they voted against Bush 7 to 1... :D

I thought it belonged to the indigenous "Americans" who were murdered and brutalized when we took it away from them ... like the rest of the New World.
Details.

I think a lot of people on this thread idolize Maynard James Keenan, frontman of Tool. They have a song where he just talks about how California should break off into the sea. I suggest downloading it to the people who keep saying that. It's called Ænima

I think a lot of people on this thread idolize Maynard James Keenan, frontman of Tool. They have a song where he just talks about how California should break off into the sea. I suggest downloading it to the people who keep saying that. It's called Ænima
Bill Hicks used to talk about that as well, called it Arizona Bay.

But he was really talking about Southern California, or the shallow end of the pool. If we have to leave something behind for you all, you can SoCal.

I'll solve this for you. I'll just have my state (Alaska) leave instead.

Come back to Canada!!

We'll break off and go hang with Hawaii.

Alaska can come too.

:fluffle: ;)

About that time then, eh chaps?

Righto.

About that time then, eh chaps?

Righto.
AHHHH Motherland!

First of all no, we need it and it needs us. Second of all, they couldnt if they wanted too. I mean, I dont know what country you live in, so lets say you live in Italy. Toscana couldnt secede from Italy, its pretty much the same thing here.

Wondering why we cant secede anymore? I think the south has a pretty good idea of why!

I'd prefer the "No. It wouldn't benefit anybody" option.

Come back to Canada!!
Too bad Alaska was originally Russian territory eh Atica?

Too bad Alaska was originally Russian territory eh Atica?

yes still alaska seems to have more in common with canada than the states, i would personally like to suggest the entire west coast to join with canada. With cali, oregon, washington state and alaska canada would suddenly vault from a middle power into a world power with a economy to rival some of the biggest in the world!! :p

I think Lex Luthor's plan in Superman I would be best. Just the coast of California breaks off and sinks. We'll keep the rest, especially the wine country.

We'll break off and go hang with Hawaii.

Alaska can come too.

:fluffle: ;)

Australia: WTF mates
;)

I think Lex Luthor's plan in Superman I would be best. Just the coast of California breaks off and sinks. We'll keep the rest, especially the wine country.
Here's the problem: That part is delta and valley. The coast goes, most of it would flood, including wine country.

Now, I really hate Sacramento, having grown up there, but I don't think it should be flooded anymore than it already tries. (It's built on the bed of a temporary lake that every few years tries to come back into existance. The first time they rebuilt the city. The second time they just built a new city on top of the old one. Stupid city....)

also, yes i think california leaving would be a FANTASTIC idea. as long as everybody who comes up with half-assed stupid ideas like this one leave with it. first of all, california cannot legally secede. the only state with that express written right in it's constitution is Texas. this means that if the governator DID leave, a little group called the USMC would enter cali, kick ass until they gave up and rejoined, then clean their really big guns. and second, i'm pretty sure cali leaving would disrupt our economy even more then we've managed to in the past few years. so this is a stupid idea.

:mp5:

Yeah, well-theoraticly we could conquer Mexico or Canada right now. But we don't. 'Cause we're not playing Risk.
:p Classic!

California rightfully belongs to Mexico.

So, Hanover rightly belongs to England, you don't see the US bitching about it.

I'd say it deserves to be KICKED out. A republican governor against guns...that's just f*&#ed up. It's practically a socialist country on its own already.

Yeah, a little mini-socialist country with a GDP that would make it something like the 11th largest economy in the world all by itself. Do you have the faintest clue what would happen to the U.S. economy if it lost California?

Hey, just because they voted against Bush 7 to 1... :D

Manhattan went 9-1 against Bush...

Isn't it funny that the two places that actually got HIT by terrorist attacks voted the most heavily against the guy who ran on the platform that he was the guy to protect the U.S. from terrorists?

Think maybe certain people are motivated to be paying a little more attention to the reality of the situation than others? Like... oh... the people at the top of the target list?

yes still alaska seems to have more in common with canada than the states, i would personally like to suggest the entire west coast to join with canada. With cali, oregon, washington state and alaska canada would suddenly vault from a middle power into a world power with a economy to rival some of the biggest in the world!! :p

I used to think Canadians were okay, until I discovered all of them are bitter and twisted with a massive inferiorty complex about not being American. That's why they always have an air of superiority about everything, yet have actually accomplished very little.

I say the US should invade Canada and make them American, so then they can feel better about themselves.

Manhattan went 9-1 against Bush...

Isn't it funny that the two places that actually got HIT by terrorist attacks voted the most heavily against the guy who ran on the platform that he was the guy to protect the U.S. from terrorists?

Think maybe certain people are motivated to be paying a little more attention to the reality of the situation than others? Like... oh... the people at the top of the target list?

Not really. I live in NYC, if you look at the average mentality of a Manahattan resident it makes sense. They are sort of stupid.

So, Hanover rightly belongs to England, you don't see the US bitching about it.
No. You've got it backwards. England rightly belongs to Hannover.

I used to think Canadians were okay, until I discovered all of them are bitter and twisted with a massive inferiorty complex about not being American. That's why they always have an air of superiority about everything, yet have actually accomplished very little.

I say the US should invade Canada and make them American, so then they can feel better about themselves.


Thats your opinion. Canadians are happy the way they are.

Anyway. I believe only Texas and Vermont can seperate from the union.

Discuss
why would it? (too lazy to read through pages of posts...)

No. You've got it backwards. England rightly belongs to Hannover.

Well I suppose technically that's true. But neither bit belongs to Germany.

Yeah, a little mini-socialist country with a GDP that would make it something like the 11th largest economy in the world all by itself. Do you have the faintest clue what would happen to the U.S. economy if it lost California?
i thought it was more like the 5th largest if it was independent?

Well I suppose technically that's true. But neither bit belongs to Germany.
No one mentioned Germany. Just Hannover.

I used to think Canadians were okay, until I discovered all of them are bitter and twisted with a massive inferiorty complex about not being American. That's why they always have an air of superiority about everything, yet have actually accomplished very little.

I say the US should invade Canada and make them American, so then they can feel better about themselves.


Well remember that here in alberta we have the most guns per capita in ALL of north america ;)

I dont think ontario + quebec are better than the states, however alberta certainly is...

i thought it was more like the 5th largest if it was independent?


Ya texas has the economy almost of canada, cali = france. :cool:

i say the united states becomes 3 separate nations...Eastern America, Midwestern America, and Western America. kinda like the old Germany...hey you never know.

Bad Poll. How about "Yes, since the are determined to make illegals the main work force in the nation and give them licenses anyways."

I really wish they would break away, and take all their illegals and immoral and nauseating culture with them.

Go ahead and leave, not like I ever planned to visit anytime soon. And right after you split we'll divide New Jersey into North and South. I'm tired of those morons up north giving New Jersey a bad name. ;)

Then the good ol' USA will be back at the magical number 50.

California should stay, but us Illinois residents are gonna ride our state to the MOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNN!

What would be cool is if the US split into 5 separate nation. The Republic California (including the whole west coast), The Midwestern Federation, The Southern Confederation, the Eastern Alliance . . . and Utah. I'm Afraid Alaska would be sold to Canadia or Russia by who ever gained control of it.

Blah blah blah California blah blah falling into the sea. How fucking original. Get a new fantasy, you California-haters - like how about, your state's economy gets to be a full QUARTER of that of California's. Or how about, YOU get warm sunny weather in January instead of freezing your California-hating ass off. Or how about, YOUR state governor is the fucking Terminator. No? Haha, you losers.

dude, you have some serious temper problems.

Now, for my (pro-bus) argument: California couldn't break away. Sure it's economy is good at the moment, but if it were to break away, the US could just blockade it and make sure no trades with them. Then what would they have? movies? like that'll make an economy.

Truth is, no state is powerful in any way. Sure, cali might look good, but thats thanks to the rest of the country.

And to the dumbass who thought that there was only a USA because the republicans wanted money: I dare, nay, I double-dog-dare you to find any, ANY piece of information that would support your claim.

If you find one, just one (that isn't written by some crazed muslim commie in a 3rd world nation), I'll eat my right shoe (my left one is worth to much)

dude, you have some serious temper problems.

Now, for my (pro-bus) argument: California couldn't break away. Sure it's economy is good at the moment, but if it were to break away, the US could just blockade it and make sure no trades with them. Then what would they have? movies? like that'll make an economy.
Agriculture is the heart of our economy, not bloody Hollywood.

And I wouldn't mind being a citizen of a left-wing nation that finally gets the soveirgnity it deserves. But it's not gonna happen. So I'm sticking with being an American patriot. :D

Technically, if California wished to break away from the US, now would be the best time. The state is just coming out from a long recession. Currently they have the 11th highest GDP of the developed world and will probably return to 7th place soon, which is the position they occupied during the 90's. If California were to suddenly stop shipping off all their goods to the rest of the USA, the results would temporarily be traumatic.

However, to succesfully compete against the US, California would need allies in their fight. The first and most likely Ally would be Mexico, who are still bitter over the Mexican-American War. If California were to grant them favorable trade rights and economic favors, Mexico would probably join. It is also not too much of a stretch for California to gain favor with the states of Nevada and Hawaii, whom historically have been close allies with California. With these allies, and a swift surprise attack on strategic points throughout the US, California could potentially cripple the US attack force. This point is especially true based on the surprise of the attack and the fact that the US army is as spread out as it is.

But to be fair, the overwhelming might of the US army would eventually defeat the united California rebels. America would bring in its armed forces and would be hardpressed to accept secession. Also, the average California citizen does not have the mental aptitude to support a long war against their mother country. There is only one way I would see a California victory in the war, and that is if Canada were to militarily support the campaign. That would force America to fight a war on 3 fronts and they would face a combined force with a comparable military and formidable economy.

On a serious note, I really love living in California and would defend it with as much passion as the average Texan feels for their state.

Blah blah blah California blah blah falling into the sea. How fucking original. Get a new fantasy, you California-haters - like how about, your state's economy gets to be a full QUARTER of that of California's. Or how about, YOU get warm sunny weather in January instead of freezing your California-hating ass off. Or how about, YOUR state governor is the fucking Terminator. No? Haha, you losers.


Wow...Very well thought out and very mature...Bravo you have shown why so many are voting for Cali to leave....

Aint they Liberal Socialist Republicans ?-So yes

We'll break off and go hang with Hawaii. germany can come too but not australia "fucken kangaroos" :p :fluffle: :) :eek: :D :cool: :headbang: :sniper: :mp5:

Bravo you have shown why so many are voting for Cali to leave....

Because so many people don't care about the economy? Figures...