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In a move which could have helped his election chances, Kerry has finally agreed to sign his form 180. Better late then never, John-boy!



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Tuesday, Feb. 1, 2005 12:25 a.m. EST
Kerry Pledges Military Record Release

Three months after he lost his presidential bid, Sen. John Kerry has finally agreed to a full release of his military records, after being cornered on the issue Sunday by "Meet the Press" host Tim Russert.

Appearing on the same show last April, Kerry insisted all his military records were already in the public domain, telling Russert, "I've shown them - they're available to you to come and look at."

But in August the Washington Post reported:
"Although Kerry campaign officials insist that they have published Kerry's full military records on their Web site (with the exception of medical records shown briefly to reporters earlier this year), they have not permitted independent access to his original Navy records.

"A Freedom of Information Act request by The Post for Kerry's records produced six pages of information. A spokesman for the Navy Personnel Command, Mike McClellan, said he was not authorized to release the full file, which consists of at least a hundred pages."

On Sunday Kerry attempted to explain the discrepancy, telling Russert, "We put all the records out that I had been sent by the military."

"Then at the last moment, they sent some more stuff, which had some things that weren’t even relevant to the record. So when we get - I’m going to sit down with them and make sure that they are clear and I am clear as to what is in the record and what isn’t in the record and we’ll put it out. I have no problem with that."

When Russert pressed Kerry, "Would you sign Form 180?" - authorizing the Pentagon to release of his full file, Kerry at first tried to dodge the question.

But after he was asked about Form 180 for the third time, the top Democrat finally relented, telling the "Meet the Press" host, "Yes, I will."

Kerry then added a bizarre demand of his own, saying that the Swiftboat Veterans for Truth, the group of Vietnam veterans who led the questioning of his military record, should also sign Form 180:

"I'd call on those who have challenged me, let's see their records," he said. "I want to see the records of each of those people who have put up a challenge, because some of them have some serious questions in them, and it hasn't been appropriate."


It sounds almost as if John Kerry is keeping his options open for another failed Presidential bid in 08. What say you?

I really hope he doesn't fail.The last thing the US needs is another term of conservative war-mongering in'08. I can almost see the planes over Iran.

I really hope he doesn't fail.The last thing the US needs is another term of conservative war-mongering in'08. I can almost see the planes over Iran.


Nah, the people don't like losers! I mean the guy didn't even give up his Senate seat while running for President. Nice!

I love that liberal term "War-mongering".

I'm glad you are psychic. Can you get me the winning numbers for tomorrows' lotto.

Kerry then added a bizarre demand of his own, saying that the Swiftboat Veterans for Truth, the group of Vietnam veterans who led the questioning of his military record, should also sign Form 180:

"I'd call on those who have challenged me, let's see their records," he said. "I want to see the records of each of those people who have put up a challenge, because some of them have some serious questions in them, and it hasn't been appropriate."
How is this bizarre? They are the Veterans for Truth, they have nothing to hide and will agree swift as a boat, wont they?

How is this bizarre? They are the Veterans for Truth, they have nothing to hide and will agree swift as a boat, wont they?

Hopefully they do it as well as John, if John is honest about this in the first place.

It sounds almost as if John Kerry is keeping his options open for another failed Presidential bid in 08. What say you?
i say you need to grow up and stop being a partisan git

i say you need to grow up and stop being a partisan git

Virtually everyone on this forum is a partisan git.

I really hope he doesn't fail.The last thing the US needs is another term of conservative war-mongering in'08. I can almost see the planes over Iran.

Iran? Nah. They're likely to have a counter-revolution soon enough. Syria? That's a maybe...

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Nah, the people don't like losers! I mean the guy didn't even give up his Senate seat while running for President. Nice!


Bush didn't give up his gubernatorial seat until he was elected ... what's your point?

Bush didn't give up his gubernatorial seat until he was elected ... what's your point?

The point is that John Kerry is "reporting for duty", oh and ALgore quit the senate when he ran. Governor and Senator are two totally different things!

i say you need to grow up and stop being a partisan git

Git? Nice insult there my snaggle toothed pal! Are you English?

I'm all for more conservative years, because now fluffling is an officially sanctioned form of interrogation.

:fluffle:

Don't feed the Wadd-Troll.

Three months after he lost his presidential bid, Sen. John Kerry has finally agreed to a full release of his military records, after being cornered on the issue Sunday by "Meet the Press" host Tim Russert.

Ahhh! Perhaps NOW we will see just why Mr. Kerry didn't want to sign Form 180. If I was wrong, I will so state here, but I honestly don't think I was.

Don't feed the Wadd-Troll.

Why not? Do his posts make you feel ... uncomfortable?

MKULTRA obviously wasn't ignored. Two standards ... one for people you support and one for those you don't?

Good for Senator Kerry!

I look foward to reading the reports about him.

And just so I don't get slammed for this ...

Johnny, you need to correct this grammatical error:

"Better Late Then Never, John!"

... should be ...

"Better Late THAN Never, John!" :D

Ahhh! Perhaps NOW we will see just why Mr. Kerry didn't want to sign Form 180. If I was wrong, I will so state here, but I honestly don't think I was.

Heck, half of what he did release show him as a failed leader if his FITREPS are any indications!

Kerry then added a bizarre demand of his own, saying that the Swiftboat Veterans for Truth, the group of Vietnam veterans who led the questioning of his military record, should also sign Form 180:

"I'd call on those who have challenged me, let's see their records," he said. "I want to see the records of each of those people who have put up a challenge, because some of them have some serious questions in them, and it hasn't been appropriate."
First of all, Newsmax is half a step above the national enquirer; it is the right-wing answer to Pravda.ru...but how is this a bizarre demand? These guys want to attack a war veteran's record, they better be prepared to show their own.

Remember how many of those guys have already been caught lying, about things as basic as whether they served with Kerry (they didn't)

First of all, Newsmax is half a step above the national enquirer; it is the right-wing answer to Pravda.ru...but how is this a bizarre demand? These guys want to attack a war veteran's record, they better be prepared to show their own.

Remember how many of those guys have already been caught lying, about things as basic as whether they served with Kerry (they didn't)

They did serve with him but not on the same boat. So yea they did serve with him.

And just so I don't get slammed for this ...

Johnny, you need to correct this grammatical error:

"Better Late Then Never, John!"

... should be ...

"Better Late THAN Never, John!" :D

Mr Wadd thanks you! I have to apologize for my mistakes, as my program makes errors every now and then. It sometimes drives me quite mad.

BTW My new limbs are working out fine for me! Yeah :)

The point is that John Kerry is "reporting for duty", oh and ALgore quit the senate when he ran. Governor and Senator are two totally different things!
I don't know about Al Gore,( being that the last time he ran by himself was in the 80's) but John McCain did not give up his seat in the senate when he ran for the presidency.

Why is the issue still over Kerry's militray record? Bush is the sitting president who got out of Vietnam by joining the air national guard, and then got out of that by being involved in a political campaign. While Kerry was wounded three times and volunteered to go to Vietnam. All of this is just a way for the Bush Administration to once again get out doing their duty to be honest and forthright about operations in Iraq to the american people.

Why is the issue still over Kerry's militray record? Bush is the sitting president who got out of Vietnam by joining the air national guard, and then got out of that by being involved in a political campaign. While Kerry was wounded three times and volunteered to go to Vietnam. All of this is just a way for the Bush Administration to once again get out doing their duty to be honest and forthright about operations in Iraq to the american people.

It is an issue, because Kerry basically made it the most important part of his campaign. Bush did not bring up his or Kerrys' service. As the unfunny Al Franken says: "If you are going to bring it up, you'd better back it up!"

They did serve with him but not on the same boat. So yea they did serve with him.
They were at first trying to pass themselves off as guys who actually served WITH Kerry, not "within a hundred miles" of him. I work in NYC, this does not mean I work "with" Donald Trump.

Anyway, nice dodging of the real issue - these guys can't stand up to the kind of scrutiny they're urging for someone else.

It's just as easy to say that Kerry wrangled a way to get three Purple Hearts (including one for a scratch) so that he could take advantage of a loophole so that he could go home six months into his tour.

My father received five Purple Hearts, didn't get to go home early, and served a total of three tours.

He also didn't get to write up his own medal citations, as Kerry did.

I also find it unusual that he never got an Honorable Discharge until years after his separation from service - and only after he became a US Senator. That makes me think that he wasn't really honorably discharged - that he did something wrong somewhere.

Getting an honorable discharge at the end of your service is something they do right there on the day you get out - there isn't any delay about that. So something stinks, and I'd bet it's Kerry's service.

Why not? Do his posts make you feel ... uncomfortable?

MKULTRA obviously wasn't ignored. Two standards ... one for people you support and one for those you don't?

Not in the least. This post was not for discussion purposes, it was to re-ignite the partisan arguments that always grace these pages. Mr. Wadd is fairly adept at doing that. I firmly believe that we should never feed trolls, Mr. Wadd included.

...and I didn't get your Mkultra reference...sorry.

They were at first trying to pass themselves off as guys who actually served WITH Kerry, not "within a hundred miles" of him. I work in NYC, this does not mean I work "with" Donald Trump.

Anyway, nice dodging of the real issue - these guys can't stand up to the kind of scrutiny they're urging for someone else.
You might, if you worked at one of his buildings. Since they were all in the Navy, they all had the same bosses, and worked with each other. Nice try with the irrelevant analogy though.

interesting

The simple undisputable fact about the Bush-Kerry records is that Kerry went, Bush didn't. Who cares what else happened, that's the bottom line. For a man who is now sending our troops to deth because of "weapons of mass destruction", a mistake Bush still hasn't admitted to. I remeber seeing a CNN interview with Rummy and he plainly stated that the weapons are right here, and then pointed to a region on a map of Iraq. When are the going to confess their deception? Had they come out at the start of this Iraq mess and said they were going over to overthrow Sadam, I would have been a lot more for it than against it. but the fact they went on a lie is disgusting. I bet that 9 bil the U.S. lost is buried underneath those weapons. Or in the hands of illegal contracts. All of the presidents men, Rummy, himself, etc. all found ways to not go to Vietnam. Did Kerry do everythig he says he did overthere? I don't know. but at least he was there.