NationStates Jolt Archive

http://www.guardian.co.uk/guantanamo/story/0,13743,1403143,00.html

The Bush administration suffered a legal setback over its conduct of the war on terror yesterday when a US federal judge ruled that the special military tribunals at Guantánamo Bay were unlawful.

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"[The judge] is saying that the rule of law in this country cannot be disregarded by executive fiat - despite what this administration might want."

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Judge Joyce Hens Green ruled that prisoners were entitled to the protection of the US constitution and the Geneva convention even during the war on terror.

"Although this nation unquestionably must take strong action under the leadership of the commander in chief to protect itself against enormous and unprecedented threats, that necessity cannot negate the existence of the most basic fundamental rights for which the people of this country have fought and died for well over two hundred years," the judge wrote.



Judge Joyce Hens Green RULES!!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/guantanamo/story/0,13743,1403143,00.html



Judge Joyce Hens Green RULES!!
Damn straight.
Why is this from a British newspaper though?

that necessity cannot negate the existence of the most basic fundamental rights for which the people of this country have fought and died for well over two hundred years
BUT THEY'RE ISLAMO-FASCIST BARBARIANS THEY MUST BE PUNISHED FOR THEIR CRIMES ARRGHHH KILL ALL NON-AMERICANS THEY HAVE NO RIGHTS!!

:headbang:

When the state becomes superior to the individual, as it is in the united states and was in the soviet union, there is no standard of conduct for the government

http://www.guardian.co.uk/guantanamo/story/0,13743,1403143,00.html

Judge Joyce Hens Green RULES!!

The system works. Next stop, The Supreme Court.

Damn straight.
Why is this from a British newspaper though?
You can find this in every half-decent French, spanish, Japanese Newspaper..

American Newspapers...LOL...where you wanna look at the NYTimes?
dont waste your time..The NYT (like most american media) is likely to minimize(smoke it to the 8th page) this kind of news...

where a the NYTimes?
The NYT (like most american media) is likely to minimize(smoke) this kind of news


It was on the front page of nytimes.com for a while today.

The system works. Next stop, The Supreme Court.
and by the time it gets there bush will have appointed 3 more nazis and they will over turn this 5-4

It was on the front page of nytimes.com for a while today.I ma talking about the Newspaper...not the Website...where they put it for 5 min...and then its gone...to the 200th page

I ma talking about the Newspaper...not the Website...where they put it for 5 min...and then its gone...to the 200th page


I suggest picking up a copy of tomorrow's paper and checking.

Bear in mind that the New York Times is the best news organization in the US, so if anyone gave the story the prominence that it deserves it would be the Times.

Well, seeing as the paper in which this story would occur hasn't even been published yet...

and this suprises us how? I mean the original colonists complained about the British seceret courts and now we're doing it.

I guess the apple really doesn't fall far from the tree. Maybe next we'll actually move to a parliament system and develope a decently leftist government. But thats not too likely.

the only nation that can control america is the americans.

Thank goodness many americans are sane, decent people.

I bet many of those who voted for bush aren't the slavering war racist mongering stereotypes that they are made out to be, but genuine decent people who fell for the hype and propoganda.

that said there are a fair few racist red knecks and they seem to be visiting aus a fair bit recently :eek:

Well, seeing as the paper in which this story would occur hasn't even been published yet...
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20050201/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/guantanamo_detainees_lawsuit

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6889654/


http://www.al.com/newsflash/topstories/index.ssf?/base/politics-6/1107221008165600.xml&storylist=



bite me

Bear in mind that the New York Times is the best news organization in the US, so if anyone gave the story the prominence that it deserves it would be the Times.most unbiased in Amerika...maybe...best organization indeed...

..but still..its published in the "land of the PatriotAct" formerly known as "land of the free"

http://images.ucomics.com/comics/trall/2005/trall050120.gif

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20050201/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/guantanamo_detainees_lawsuit

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6889654/


http://www.al.com/newsflash/topstories/index.ssf?/base/politics-6/1107221008165600.xml&storylist=



bite me
Newspaper, not the internet. I'd be willing to bet it's on the front page of at least the NYTimes, USA Today or the Columbus Dispatch (the papers I get at my dorm)

Newspaper, not the internet. I'd be willing to bet it's on the front page of at least the NYTimes, USA Today or the Columbus Dispatch (the papers I get at my dorm)I hope so...


http://images.ucomics.com/comics/trall/2005/trall050120.gif

Newspaper, not the internet. I'd be willing to bet it's on the front page of at least the NYTimes, USA Today or the Columbus Dispatch (the papers I get at my dorm)
al.com is local newspapers

so far....NBC, ABC, FOX, CNN are givin it marginal coverage...if any at all.

so far....NBC, ABC, FOX, CNN are givin it marginal coverage...if any at all.
control of ze media

so far....NBC, ABC, FOX, CNN are givin it marginal coverage...if any at all.

ABC NBC FOX and CNN are all controlled by large corporations whose interests are the interests of the elitists who run the government.

A=B, B=C, A=C.

control of ze media
Or maybe just that it doesn't have a shiny, eye catching picture like the Michael Jackson trial (foxnews) or a picture with guns (cnn, cbs.) There's a difference between media control and marketing. And anyways, with CNN and Fox, it's right on top of the headlines sections.

It's time someone in authority in America started disrupting this human rights abuse.

It made all the major Canadian papers this morning.
It should have appeared in the major US papers by now.

All I'm going to say is that's the right call to make. I'm liking this judge.

This is a very interesting topic. The USA has always abided by the Geneva convention even when the enemy hasn't ex: Jermany and Japan in WWII and now Mid-Eastern terrorists. This topic has probably come up many times in the past with one side of the argument being: We should keep using the Geneva convention as a guideline to how to treat POWs and the other side being an Eye for an Eye: the enemy tortures and beheads our POWs, we should use more violence against their POWs

My opinion is that we realy arent doing shiz to enemy POWs compared to what the enemy is doing to the US's POWs

Damn, while i was writing this crap, the topic turned into one about the media

When the state becomes superior to the individual, as it is in the united states and was in the soviet union, there is no standard of conduct for the government


FYI: Canada AND the UK are currently detaining individuals for the same reason as the US.

FYI: Canada AND the UK are currently detaining individuals for the same reason as the US.

indeed and the house of lords has now said that they are being kept unlawfully so they will be realeased and at leatswe havent heard stories from those prisoners about how they were abused

indeed and the house of lords has now said that they are being kept unlawfully so they will be realeased and at leatswe havent heard stories from those prisoners about how they were abused

Did I imply they were being tortured?? Please show me where I implied that.


The real problem is, IF there is no evidence(or not enough), then do you let a suspected terrorist go?

Canada is currently holding a person that was convicted of terrorism in Egypt. Canada isn't going to deport this person(back to Egypt) because he may be tortured there. So now what do they do? Detain him indefinitely? Let him go free?? Deport him to Egypt, anyway?