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Perhaps it had something to do with them betraying us and giving away our intelligence secrets to Saddam Hussein, just a thought.

its just America...then again all France ever did for you was help you gain independence...

Frankly, I'm just pissed at France because they had to go ahead and adopt the Euro, and help make it stronger, meaning that I can't really afford to visit Paris anymore. :(

Some French Hootchie gave me the drip! Enough said.

http://bau2.uibk.ac.at/sg/python/Sounds/aiff/french.aiff

Sums it up for me

Perhaps it had something to do with them betraying us and giving away our intelligence secrets to Saddam Hussein, just a thought.

Nahh! It's because they have such a strange language, they don't bathe all that often, and their food is lousy! :D

http://bau2.uibk.ac.at/sg/python/Sounds/aiff/french.aiff

Sums it up for me

Haha! Oh a Classic Monty Python line!

Oh and from above, I like old France not new France, I think many of you would agree with that, except instead of France you might say America, if you catch my drift, and this is refering to the Americans.

its just America...then again all France ever did for you was help you gain independence...

You give yourself too much credit.

How many times did we help liberate France?

Just saw a show where they were interviewing German soldiers who captured both French and UK soldiers during the invasion of France in 1940.

They said that the typical French soldier was not a soldier at all, and completely unwilling to fight and die for his country. Very unprofessional, and very demoralized.

Defeated UK soldiers impressed them. Very professional, even though they had been captured. And they fought until they ran out of ammunition.

The French are cowards who want the rest of the world to do their work for them - and they want the superpower status without having to do that work.

Hell, they even have a special unit for dirty work - it's called the French Foreign Legion, because they can't find enough Frenchmen with the testicular fortitude to do the job.

its just America...then again all France ever did for you was help you gain independence...

Their words said they were on our side, but their actions hardly showed it. They were more motivated by their contempt for England. Poland actually helped more and has been a steadfast ally ever since.
And after saving France's ass on more than one occasion, they still stab us in the back any chance they get.

Well again they did help the forming of the USA as has been stated by the irish guy.

I dont think anyone has ever said they were good soldiers. :rolleyes:

You give yourself too much credit.

congratulations, im not French


How many times did we help liberate France?

once?


Just saw a show where they were interviewing German soldiers who captured both French and UK soldiers during the invasion of France in 1940.

They said that the typical French soldier was not a soldier at all, and completely unwilling to fight and die for his country. Very unprofessional, and very demoralized.
id be pretty demoralised if id just been captured by the Germans


Defeated UK soldiers impressed them. Very professional, even though they had been captured. And they fought until they ran out of ammunition.

British spirit....


The French are cowards who want the rest of the world to do their work for them - and they want the superpower status without having to do that work.

they do? when do they get the rest of the world to do their work for them?


Hell, they even have a special unit for dirty work - it's called the French Foreign Legion, because they can't find enough Frenchmen with the testicular fortitude to do the job.
what...like the British Ghurkas? foreign troops...

Would you like to know why? It's because america is like a really big and mean kid on the playground. Although the rest of the world is far more mature, America is still bigger and likes to go around beating people up. When it is questioned by people who it would not be prudent to beat up, America resorts to insults and denegrations. America thinks he's all that and a bag of chips, but in reality, he's just a violent troublemaker with delusions of grandeur.

Their words said they were on our side, but their actions hardly showed it. They were more motivated by their contempt for England. Poland actually helped more and has been a steadfast ally ever since.
And after saving France's ass on more than one occasion, they still stab us in the back any chance they get.
more than one occasion?.....WW2 springs to mind....

tell me, how did they stab you in the back? did they have an agreement to help you in Iraq? whats that? is that a "no"?

I wonder if the french were the first to use mercs? :rolleyes:

We saved France twice. In WW I, the French army was at the point of collapse when the Americans arrived. As for WW II, we all know the French couldn't even organize their own resistance without British help.

The British Army was far more professional than the French, even though the French had better equipment. The French military leaders were stupid and their men were worthless.

Ah, I seem to remember the Americans being drawn in to clean up a little French mess called.... Vietnam.

more than one occasion?.....WW2 springs to mind....

tell me, how did they stab you in the back? did they have an agreement to help you in Iraq? whats that? is that a "no"?

Its ok-you probablydont know about Korea and Vietnam too.

And I never said anything about iraq-heavens no. Why would we expect them to side with us when they were privately double dealing with sadaam hussien? they had a lot of business interests going-thats why werent with us.
A little further back-probably before you were born-France, whim was supposedly our ally, refused to allow US warplance to fly over their airspace when we went to irradicate a proven supporter of terrorism and the $$ behind the flight downed by a bomb over Scotland- Mohmar Khadaffi. This snub directly contributed to us losing a US pilot.

Nice try though.

We saved France twice. In WW I, the French army was at the point of collapse when the Americans arrived.
the Americans in WW1 turned up late and claimed all the glory...

the Germans were in such a bad state at home a surrender was very possible. When they made an attack on the British and gained some land, they saw that the British had far better supplies etc than them and got heavily demoralised...

And it wasnt a real liberation, the Germans werent occupying France, they didnt control that much of France...so, not a liberation - a bit of military help that was late in coming


As for WW II, we all know the French couldn't even organize their own resistance without British help.
OK, ill give you WW2, like i said - the only time youve really liberated them


The British Army was far more professional than the French, even though the French had better equipment. The French military leaders were stupid and their men were worthless.
the British were far more professional than the French, yes. The French also believed their wall (which name eludes me now) would save them because Germany wouldnt invade neutral Belgium - they got that wrong. Their leaders werent stupid, just not brilliant tacticians...and their men, hardly worthless


Ah, I seem to remember the Americans being drawn in to clean up a little French mess called.... Vietnam.
So it had nothing to do with stopping the spread of communism? containment?

more than one occasion?.....WW2 springs to mind....

tell me, how did they stab you in the back? did they have an agreement to help you in Iraq? whats that? is that a "no"?


Ah, spare us from the historically unobservant.

France provided an assist in the American Revolution, this is true. (Of course, let's not forget The French and Indian War, where our Washington got his military experience.)

The US provided the assist in WWI. "Lafayette, we are here."
The US helped provide the rescue in WWII. "Lafayette, we are here again."
The US contributed to the defense of France by providing much of the military might charged with holding the Warsaw Pact back during the Cold War. "Lafayette, we are your shield."

The French, of course, pulled their military out of the NATO command structure, and attempted to play off of both sides, during that same period. "Lafayette, you @#$%-head."

We saved France twice. In WW I, the French army was at the point of collapse when the Americans arrived. As for WW II, we all know the French couldn't even organize their own resistance without British help.

The British Army was far more professional than the French, even though the French had better equipment. The French military leaders were stupid and their men were worthless.

Ah, I seem to remember the Americans being drawn in to clean up a little French mess called.... Vietnam.

Thanks for filling in the blanks I missed.
The french took such good care of their Nazi conquerors during WW II- Nazi officers loved being stationed in france-france bent over and accepted them happily, servicing their every whim.
And who chased them out of there? Who smashed the Nazis and broke all their stuff?

We saved France twice. In WW I, the French army was at the point of collapse when the Americans arrived. As for WW II, we all know the French couldn't even organize their own resistance without British help.

The British Army was far more professional than the French, even though the French had better equipment. The French military leaders were stupid and their men were worthless.

Ah, I seem to remember the Americans being drawn in to clean up a little French mess called.... Vietnam.

Ok the yanks went into nam to clean up the old french colony and not to stop the spread of communism? :rolleyes:

So it had nothing to do with stopping the spread of communism? containment?

After the French admitted their failure, they asked Kennedy personally whether or not he would aid them.

That's how we got the first advisors on the ground there. And then later, the lie of the Tonkin Gulf.

Ah, spare us from the historically unobservant.

France provided an assist in the American Revolution, this is true. (Of course, let's not forget The French and Indian War, where our Washington got his military experience.)
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The US provided the assist in WWI. "Lafayette, we are here."

see above

The US helped provide the rescue in WWII. "Lafayette, we are here again."

yup, you helped in WW2, but not out of any heartfelt desire to liberate the French, you just needed to go through there to get to Germany

The US contributed to the defense of France by providing much of the military might charged with holding the Warsaw Pact back during the Cold War. "Lafayette, we are your shield."

There was no need to hold the Warsaw Pact back during the Cold War. Stalin didnt intend to take over the rest of Europe. He was using eastern Europe as a buffer zone against a possible western attack.

The French, of course, pulled their military out of the NATO command structure, and attempted to play off of both sides, during that same period. "Lafayette, you @#$%-head."
good for them

Would you like to know why? It's because america is like a really big and mean kid on the playground. Although the rest of the world is far more mature, America is still bigger and likes to go around beating people up. When it is questioned by people who it would not be prudent to beat up, America resorts to insults and denegrations. America thinks he's all that and a bag of chips, but in reality, he's just a violent troublemaker with delusions of grandeur.

I hate you say the stupidest things like "America is a troubled child on a playground."

We dont want world domination, if we did we would have attacked fucking Uraguay, or Costa Rica cause they have no army. Its only people like Bush, and I cant blame him, the man doesnt know what he is talking about, he really does think that Iraq was bad and hell it is! The leader killed tens of thousands of his own people! He constantly broke UN resolutions, I believe it was 14, And than the spineless UN said, well, m-kay, just make sure it doesnt happen again.

After the French admitted their failure, they asked Kennedy personally whether or not he would aid them.

That's how we got the first advisors on the ground there. And then later, the lie of the Tonkin Gulf.
yea, you got advisors in there. yay

now, why did you end up in a full blown war? because France asked you to? no, it was to try and hold back Communism

Why be pissed at France?

They wag their finger at the United States for intervening in Iraq... and invade Cote D'Ivoire. While there, they're supposedly neutral, but they only seem to be attacking the government....

Little bit that made a couple military-minded news outlets was the French helicopter gunship attack on a village (in the Cote D'Ivoire) in December of 2002.

Their tacit support for Saddam, helping him bypass the UN embargoes (that France voted for), when their scheming to get the embargoes removed failed. Oh, and President Chirac's negotiation with Saddam to get France a large slice of Iraqi oil

The French fought for the genocidal Hutu government in Rwanda, twice, before the RPF threw the genocidaires out. Even then, France military observers were openly seen arming and training the very people who would massacre 800,000 Tutsis.

But let's go back in time. While the Americans are being dragged down in the mire of Vietnam - a sticky situation that swallowed the best of the French forces in the 50s and the Chinese in 79 and 84 - the French were waging a brutal war in Algeria, complete with harrowing tales of torture by French government forces.

Why would I be pissed at the French? For being hypocrites on a magnitude that makes Bush look like a Boy Scout.

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There was no need to hold the Warsaw Pact back during the Cold War. Stalin didnt intend to take over the rest of Europe. He was using eastern Europe as a buffer zone against a possible western attack.
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Nevermind, folks, we're not dealing with a sane one, here.

more than one occasion?.....WW2 springs to mind....

tell me, how did they stab you in the back? did they have an agreement to help you in Iraq? whats that? is that a "no"?

They stabbed us in the back by reporting US intelligence secrets to Saddam.

uhh, whats that? Is that an "oh"?

I hate you say the stupidest things like "America is a troubled child on a playground."

We dont want world domination, if we did we would have attacked fucking Uraguay, or Costa Rica cause they have no army. Its only people like Bush, and I cant blame him, the man doesnt know what he is talking about, he really does think that Iraq was bad and hell it is! The leader killed tens of thousands of his own people! He constantly broke UN resolutions, I believe it was 14, And than the spineless UN said, well, m-kay, just make sure it doesnt happen again.
i remember reading somewhere that the country who has broken the most UN resolutions in history is Israel. Who America continues steadfastly to support.

Ill try and find a source

its just America...then again all France ever did for you was help you gain independence...
Yes, but they did it to get a dig in at Britain, not really out of any altruistic motive. They also had a monarchy then.

Perhaps it had something to do with them betraying us and giving away our intelligence secrets to Saddam Hussein, just a thought.
Is it just me or does this just not sound true at all?

i remember reading somewhere that the country who has broken the most UN resolutions in history is Israel. Who America continues steadfastly to support.

Ill try and find a source

Why worry? It seems to be the #1 International Sport.

Can you name one UN military action in which the US was not a participant that resulted in the prevention of a massacre or the downfall of a dictator?

Hmm? Eh?

I'll be waiting...

They stabbed us in the back by reporting US intelligence secrets to Saddam.

uhh, whats that? Is that an "oh"?
why would the French have US intelligence secrets in the first place?

tell me, what exactly were these secrets?

Yes, but they did it to get a dig in at Britain, not really out of any altruistic motive. They also had a monarchy then.
Yup, but they still did it. Just like you liberated France to get at Germany

Why worry? It seems to be the #1 International Sport.

Can you name one UN military action in which the US was not a participant that resulted in the prevention of a massacre or the downfall of a dictator?

Hmm? Eh?

I'll be waiting...
first of all, can you tell me what relevance that would have to this argument?

i remember reading somewhere that the country who has broken the most UN resolutions in history is Israel. Who America continues steadfastly to support.
This is actually true, but that doesn't really mean jack shit. The UN has been trying to control Israel at the behest of the rest of the middle east for a long time now.

I hate you say the stupidest things like "America is a troubled child on a playground."

We dont want world domination, if we did we would have attacked fucking Uraguay, or Costa Rica cause they have no army. Its only people like Bush, and I cant blame him, the man doesnt know what he is talking about, he really does think that Iraq was bad and hell it is! The leader killed tens of thousands of his own people! He constantly broke UN resolutions, I believe it was 14, And than the spineless UN said, well, m-kay, just make sure it doesnt happen again.

Note to self : ensure that any responses calling someone or something "stupid" are grammatically correct.

I personally don't care about France one way or the other.

Ok for all the people who say "and Viet-Nam was for helping France and not for stopping the spread of communism?"

Its both, but why do you think we are trying to stop Communism, (I will please Kroisistan) is it because we are a schoolyard bully? No! Dont the rest of you think communism has turned out well? I mean sure! All the time! Its came out great, let alone the people are oppresed, murdered and tortured, in every case, I mean Marxism? maybe we are trying to stop the spread of evil.

they make yummy bread...and cakes.....and french boys :p

This is actually true, but that doesn't really mean jack shit. The UN has been trying to control Israel at the behest of the rest of the middle east for a long time now.
it just shows that the US and the UK are only concerned about a country breaking UN resolutions as long as it suits them

its just America...then again all France ever did for you was help you gain independence...

The french government that helped us overthrow the british in america was violently overthrown themselves.

Nevermind, folks, we're not dealing with a sane one, here.

I think what we are dealing with is someone that hates England, and by association, The United States too.
He surmises that there was no "heartfelt desire to liberate the french"- what was he there? I wasnt, but I belive that whe the US commits itself, it tries to do what is right. Did we land on France at D-Day with our allies? Yes-we went to fight the enemy where they were. We also liberated concentration camps though, where there werent tremendous fortifications or materiel-was that not "heartfelt"? Was it for oil or some other natural resource that the US is so often blamed for soley being interested in?

Ok for all the people who say "and Viet-Nam was for helping France and not for stopping the spread of communism?"

Its both, but why do you think we are trying to stop Communism, (I will please Nadkar) is it because we are a schoolyard bully? No! Dont the rest of you think communism has turned out well? I mean sure! All the time! Its came out great, let alone the people are oppresed, murdered and tortured, in every case, I mean Marxism? maybe we are trying to stop the spread of evil.
of course it didnt come out well, none of the nations were ever communist....they all turned into evil oppressive dictatorships.

But, how Communism turned out isnt relevant to this debate, whats relevant is that the US went into Vietnam to try and contain Communism - not to help the French

Yes, but they did it to get a dig in at Britain, not really out of any altruistic motive. They also had a monarchy then.
Are you really so naive as to think that any country ever plans its foreign policy on altruism?

The french government that helped us overthrow the british in america was violently overthrown themselves.
And?

Do you think they overthrew the government because it helped the US?

No, they overthrew the government for domestic reasons

Is it just me or does this just not sound true at all?

Oh its just you trust me.

I think what we are dealing with is someone that hates England, and by association, The United States too.

why would I hate England?

He surmises that there was no "heartfelt desire to liberate the french"- what was he there? I wasnt, but I belive that whe the US commits itself, it tries to do what is right. Did we land on France at D-Day with our allies? Yes-we went to fight the enemy where they were. We also liberated concentration camps though, where there werent tremendous fortifications or materiel-was that not "heartfelt"? Was it for oil or some other natural resource that the US is so often blamed for soley being interested in?
The liberation of France was not the prime reason for invading it, the main reason was to get to Germany - the liberation of France was just driving back German forces...we didnt have a choice if we wanted to fight Germany as best as was possible

Oh its just you trust me.
unfortunately for you, i dont

can you provide a source?

it just shows that the US and the UK are only concerned about a country breaking UN resolutions as long as it suits them
Ahem, most if not all resolutions concerning Israel concern the palestinians as well. Arafat, far from being the saint the French wanted him to be, was the head of one of the organizations that routinely sent in disposable idiots to Israel. Israel can truly be said to have commited most of their actions in retaliation for the acts of the suicide bombers. There have been severalk points where peace might have been reached, but once again the suicide bombings start up. So, basically the UN wants Israel to leave the palestinians, who are really for the most part displaced Jordanians, alone and just allow them to send in suicide bombers without taking any action.

unfortunately for you, i dont

can you provide a source?

Sorry, not right now, but one day Ill T-gram you.

Im not spending half an hour looking up a source again, google sucks, type in How to make a cake.

it will say "to" and "a" are common words and wont be included in your search, than it might say "The Queen of France once said let them eat cake"

Or something like that.

Ahem, most if not all resolutions concerning Israel concern the palestinians as well. Arafat, far from being the saint the French wented him to be, was the head of one of the organizations that routinely sent in disposable idiots to Israel. Israel can truly be said to have commited most of their actions in retaliation for the acts of the suicide bombers. There have been severalk points where peace might have been reached, but once again the suicide bombings start up. So, basically the UN wants Israel to leave the palestinians, who are really for the most part displaced Jordanians, alone and just allow them to send in suicide bombers without taking any action.
I dont think you understand that if the Israelis left, the suicide attacks would stop

Sorry, not right now, but one day Ill T-gram you.

Im not spending half an hour looking up a source again, google sucks, type in How to make a cake.

it will say "to" and "a" are common words and wont be included in your search, than it might say "The Queen of France once said let them eat cake"

Or something like that.
quick google hint, if it says words are too common, put "+" before them - its just to tell google to include them anyway

I dont think you understand that if the Israelis left, the suicide attacks would stop
Actually, even if the Israelis left all of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip I seriously doubt the disposable idiots would stop coming.

Why worry? It seems to be the #1 International Sport.

Can you name one UN military action in which the US was not a participant that resulted in the prevention of a massacre or the downfall of a dictator?

Hmm? Eh?

I'll be waiting...

The removal of pol pot by vietnam was sanctioned by the UN?

Cyprus, isreal VS lebs, rawanda

Actually, even if the Israelis left all of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip I seriously doubt the disposable idiots would stop coming.
they would do that because....?

The only reason they are attacking is to get Israel out and get an independent state, they would have no reason to attack if Israel upped and left them alone

why would I hate England?

I dont know-you havent told us yet.


The liberation of France was not the prime reason for invading it, the main reason was to get to Germany - the liberation of France was just driving back German forces...we didnt have a choice if we wanted to fight Germany as best as was possible

Thats where the enemy was-where were we supposed to invade from? Morrocco? Do you truly think we didnt have very intention to liberate France? If geography were different, we would have hit Berlin, then left france on their own? The prime reason was to hit them hard and fast where the opporotunity best presented itself. We would have liberated france either way, because thats what we do.

quick google hint, if it says words are too common, put "+" before them - its just to tell google to include them anyway

No I just dont want to look now because Ill miss the conversation than Ill have to spend an hour re-reading everything.

rawanda
I do believe he asked you to find an instance where they stopped a massacre, not allowed it to happen.

they would do that because....?

The only reason they are attacking is to get Israel out and get an independent state, they would have no reason to attack if Israel upped and left them alone

Why should the Palestinians live there anyway? They did a poor job of securing their own land, they basically just lived there freely but it wasnt a very organized country.

they would do that because....?

The only reason they are attacking is to get Israel out and get an independent state, they would have no reason to attack if Israel upped and left them alone
And of course, the surrounding arab countries can't accept palestinian refugees, because that would make too much damned sense.

Thats where the enemy was-where were we supposed to invade from? Morrocco? Do you truly think we didnt have very intention to liberate France? If geography were different, we would have hit Berlin, then left france on their own? The prime reason was to hit them hard and fast where the opporotunity best presented itself. We would have liberated france either way, because thats what we do.
if the geography was different and youd hit Berlin (which even if the geography was different would have resulted in huge casualtys and there wouldnt have been a landing, so nothing would have happened), and lets just say you were able to occupy Germany from that - you still need to beat the government or at least force them to surrender, so if they are still using France to launch attacks on you from then you will go into France and finish them off there

Either way, it results in the liberation of France as a side-effect of the downfall and defeat of Nazi Germany

Do you think they overthrew the government because it helped the US?

No, they overthrew the government for domestic reasons

Actually, in a slightly roundabout way they did overthrow King Loius XVI for helping the US.

Basically France borrowed a lot of money to help the US, then raised taxes on everyone except the nobility and clergy to pay back the loans. This made the all these people less than happy, which pretty much started the revolution.

Why should the Palestinians live there anyway? They did a poor job of securing their own land, they basically just lived there freely but it wasnt a very organized country.
who cares if it wasnt well organised, the Israelis still went in and tried to take over...would you like it if you were a Palestinian and the Israelis were occupying what you saw as your homeland? no, you wouldnt

And of course, the surrounding arab countries can't accept palestinian refugees, because that would make too much damned sense.
why would they need to accept refugees? the Palestinians are staying where they are for the most part

Is it me or is 12345543211 the Red Arrow of the right?

Wild claims with no backing,
No reasonable arguments possible,
Flame-baiting on every posts.

Just from this thread, I know never to enter a 12345543211 thread again.

Actually, in a slightly roundabout way they did overthrow King Loius XVI for helping the US.

Basically France borrowed a lot of money to help the US, then raised taxes on everyone except the nobility and clergy to pay back the loans. This made the all these people less than happy, which pretty much started the revolution.
the borrowing was more to pay for the general fight in North America against the British. That had an affect, but it was by no means a main reason for the revolution happening...i dont want to get into a side argument on the reasons for the French Revolution, my knowledge on that is fairly sketchy even if i do have some basic details down

I just think it´s amazing how people use war to say that a country is good or bad. So, french army sucks, but they have some of the greatest thinkers of all the time, society would be a lot less evolved without the french, but nooooooo, don´t matter society, what matters is who have the bigger weapons or the more trained soldiers. Geez, people, so they don´t like to fight, big deal...

if the geography was different and youd hit Berlin (which even if the geography was different would have resulted in huge casualtys and there wouldnt have been a landing, so nothing would have happened), and lets just say you were able to occupy Germany from that - you still need to beat the government or at least force them to surrender, so if they are still using France to launch attacks on you from then you will go into France and finish them off there

Either way, it results in the liberation of France as a side-effect of the downfall and defeat of Nazi Germany

There were huge casualties-there are a couple of graveyards in france filled with white markers of US Soldiers who died during the battles-far more US than french or any other for that matter. Thousands upon thousands.
I guess you're right-liberation of france was a side effect. Our true goal defeating the Nazis was so profitable to us in the end. We gained so much control over the world and plundered so much. And made so many friends and strong allies and trading partners-right?

There were huge casualties-there are a couple of graveyards in france filled with white markers of US Soldiers who died during the battles-far more US than french or any other for that matter. Thousands upon thousands.
yes, of course there were huge casualties, but what im saying is that a direct attack on Berlin (had it been possible) wouldnt have resulted in....so many thousands more


I guess you're right-liberation of france was a side effect. Our true goal defeating the Nazis was so profitable to us in the end. We gained so much control over the world and plundered so much. And made so many friends and strong allies and trading partners-right?
thats pretty much what im saying

I just think it´s amazing how people use war to say that a country is good or bad. So, french army sucks, but they have some of the greatest thinkers of all the time, society would be a lot less evolved without the french, but nooooooo, don´t matter society, what matters is who have the bigger weapons or the more trained soldiers. Geez, people, so they don´t like to fight, big deal...

The French army did have it's good points. Beat the English in the Hundred Years War. Napolean certainly would fit. Cardinal Richeleau was no slouch using the French military either during the Thirty Years War.

yes, of course there were huge casualties, but what im saying is that a direct attack on Berlin (had it been possible) wouldnt have resulted in....so many thousands more


thats pretty much what im saying

man-you are totally blinded by your own dislike for the US. I was being so sarcastic there, even you should have picked up on it. The US has no control over Europe-they barely give us the time of day. More a general lightly vieled contempt. And we withdrew completely after WWII-after helping every country involved rebuild. We didnt take anything, we didnt claim anything. We just went home.

The French army did have it's good points. Beat the English in the Hundred Years War. Napolean certainly would fit. Cardinal Richeleau was no slouch using the French military either during the Thirty Years War.

Napoleon was Italian.

Napoleon was Italian.
Corsican i believe

Napoleon was Italian.
He still took the "surrender monkey" and had them as one ass-kicking force to be reckoned with, now did he?

congratulations, im not French


once?


id be pretty demoralised if id just been captured by the Germans


British spirit....


they do? when do they get the rest of the world to do their work for them?


what...like the British Ghurkas? foreign troops...

France was saved by The Americans twice (both ww)

The french didn't fight the germans. They were occupied without a fight (besides the resistance(weak but helpful during d day (alliteration)))

How could the French be demoralized by the Germans. The germans were walking the streets and didn't blow up too many towns (Sure maybe that one town that was destroyed by the panzer units because of the resistance annoyed them when they were heading to the beach during d day.)

I hate the french because well they think they are so great and the reveloution. Oh we have paris so we can tell you what to wear. Their revelotution was worse then the russian and american. They also made a decent country worse (damn conmon and democracy)

Napoleon was Italian.

Napolean led the French military. Enough said.

Corsican i believe

Yes, however Corsica was owned by Genoa,Italy until the year before Napoleon was born, when it was bought by France. He was raised by parents, whom, for all intents and purposes, were already Italians.

I will just say the the french used to be cool, like when they gave us a bit of a hand curing our revolution. But now days they suck and I very strongly dislike them.

France was saved by The Americans twice (both ww)

I already said that WW2 is the only time France was "saved by the Americans"

Not that it was just the Americans, of course


The french didn't fight the germans. They were occupied without a fight (besides the resistance(weak but helpful during d day (alliteration)))

How could the French be demoralized by the Germans. The germans were walking the streets and didn't blow up too many towns (Sure maybe that one town that was destroyed by the panzer units because of the resistance annoyed them when they were heading to the beach during d day.)

Seeing your army beaten so easily would demoralise the French to a massive extent. As for the army, seeing other parts of the army being beaten so easily would demoralise you


I hate the french because well they think they are so great and the reveloution.
you hate them because they overthrew an oppressive and dictatorial regime?

Oh we have paris so we can tell you what to wear.
what a well thought out and logical reason for not liking France

Their revelotution was worse then the russian and american. They also made a decent country worse (damn conmon and democracy)
im not even going to bother responding to that...

Yes, however Corsica was owned by Genoa,Italy until the year before Napoleon was born, when it was bought by France. He was raised by parents, whom, for all intents and purposes, were already Italians.
at that time there was no such thing as Italy or Italians, Italy was a bunch of city states and small kingdoms...Napoleon was French, born on French soil, leading a French army.

I just think it´s amazing how people use war to say that a country is good or bad. So, french army sucks, but they have some of the greatest thinkers of all the time, society would be a lot less evolved without the french, but nooooooo, don´t matter society, what matters is who have the bigger weapons or the more trained soldiers. Geez, people, so they don´t like to fight, big deal...

The important thinkers werent from france. How about Volker and his giest or Newton, boyle, marx, lenin, stalin, adolf, woodrow (hate stalin to woodrow so far), leeuwenhook, galileo galilei, kelper, tycho brahe,copernicus

you may have the gay-lass something (pronounced gee) and the voltaire(too liberal) and i think spinoza (hate him too) who were relatively unimportant.

France was saved by The Americans twice (both ww)

The french didn't fight the germans. They were occupied without a fight (besides the resistance(weak but helpful during d day (alliteration)))

How could the French be demoralized by the Germans. The germans were walking the streets and didn't blow up too many towns (Sure maybe that one town that was destroyed by the panzer units because of the resistance annoyed them when they were heading to the beach during d day.)

I hate the french because well they think they are so great and the reveloution. Oh we have paris so we can tell you what to wear. Their revelotution was worse then the russian and american. They also made a decent country worse (damn conmon and democracy)

France ensured our victory against England during the American Revolution.

I'm sure you also know where the Statue of Liberty came from?

I believe the initial question was why we don't like the French all that much, perhaps this Poem might help explain why.

I did not write the following Poem but I agree with its sentiments none the less...

A POEM FOR THE FRENCH


Eleven thousand soldiers
lay beneath the dirt and stone,
all buried on a distant land
so far away from home.

For just a strip of dismal beach
they paid a hero's price,
to save a foreign nation
they made the sacrifice.

And now the shores of Normandy
are lined with blocks of white
Americans who didn't turn
from someone else's plight.

Eleven thousand reasons
for the French to take our side,
but in the moment of our need,
they chose to run and hide.

Chirac said every war means loss,
perhaps for France that's true,
for they've lost every battle
since the days of Waterloo.

Without a soldier worth a damn
to be found within the region,
the French became the only land
to need a Foreign Legion.

You French all say we're arrogant.
Well hell, we've earned the right--
We saved your sorry nation
when you lacked the guts to fight.

But now you've made a big mistake,
and one that you'll regret;
you took sides with our enemies,
and that we won't forget.

It wasn't just our citizens
you spit on when you turned,
but every one of yours who fell
the day the towers burned.

You spit upon our soldiers,
on our pilots and Marines,
and now you'll get a little sense
of just what payback means.

So keep your Paris fashions
and your wine and your champagne,
and find some other market
that will buy your aeroplanes.

And try to find somebody else
to wear your French cologne,
for you're about to find out
what it means to stand alone.

You see, you need us far more
than we ever needed you.
America has better friends
who know how to be true.

I'd rather stand with warriors
who have the will and might,
than huddle in the dark
with those whose only flag is white.

I'll take the Brits, the Aussies,
the Israelis and the rest,
for when it comes to valor
we have seen that they're the best.

We'll count on one another
as we face a moment dire,
while you sit on the sideline
with a sign, "friendship for hire."

We'll win this war without you
and we'll total up the cost,
and take it from your foreign aid,
and then you'll feel the loss.

And when your nation starts to fall,
well, Frenchie, you can spare us,
just call the Germans for a hand,
they know the way to Paris.

at that time there was no such thing as Italy or Italians, Italy was a bunch of city states and small kingdoms...Napoleon was French, born on French soil, leading a French army.

Napolean was born on corisca which was genoaian soil which was annexed after/during his birth. He was Italian.

The important thinkers werent from france. How about Volker and his giest or Newton, boyle, marx, lenin, stalin, adolf, woodrow (hate stalin to woodrow so far), leeuwenhook, galileo galilei, kelper, tycho brahe,copernicus

you may have the gay-lass something (pronounced gee) and the voltaire(too liberal) and i think spinoza (hate him too) who were relatively unimportant.
Voltaire was too liberal? too liberal for wanting freedom and equality? doesnt rule him out of being a great thinker. Read "Candide"...great satire

France ensured our victory against England during the American Revolution.

I'm sure you also know where the Statue of Liberty came from?

Yeah right...

They showed up at the very end and helped ensure a "route" of the English, but who do you think drove them back to the Sea in the first place? And where were the French while we were doing that?

Yeah, there were a couple of French Military "Advisors" here during the bulk of the War, but it was Americans that beat the French in 1776 and again in 1812, not the stinking French, no matter how you choose to re-write History.

I believe the initial question was why we don't like the French all that much, perhaps this Poem might help explain why.

I did not write the following Poem but I agree with its sentiments none the less...

A POEM FOR THE FRENCH


Eleven thousand soldiers
lay beneath the dirt and stone,
all buried on a distant land
so far away from home.

For just a strip of dismal beach
they paid a hero's price,
to save a foreign nation
they made the sacrifice.

And now the shores of Normandy
are lined with blocks of white
Americans who didn't turn
from someone else's plight.

Eleven thousand reasons
for the French to take our side,
but in the moment of our need,
they chose to run and hide.

Chirac said every war means loss,
perhaps for France that's true,
for they've lost every battle
since the days of Waterloo.

Without a soldier worth a damn
to be found within the region,
the French became the only land
to need a Foreign Legion.

You French all say we're arrogant.
Well hell, we've earned the right--
We saved your sorry nation
when you lacked the guts to fight.

But now you've made a big mistake,
and one that you'll regret;
you took sides with our enemies,
and that we won't forget.

It wasn't just our citizens
you spit on when you turned,
but every one of yours who fell
the day the towers burned.

You spit upon our soldiers,
on our pilots and Marines,
and now you'll get a little sense
of just what payback means.

So keep your Paris fashions
and your wine and your champagne,
and find some other market
that will buy your aeroplanes.

And try to find somebody else
to wear your French cologne,
for you're about to find out
what it means to stand alone.

You see, you need us far more
than we ever needed you.
America has better friends
who know how to be true.

I'd rather stand with warriors
who have the will and might,
than huddle in the dark
with those whose only flag is white.

I'll take the Brits, the Aussies,
the Israelis and the rest,
for when it comes to valor
we have seen that they're the best.

We'll count on one another
as we face a moment dire,
while you sit on the sideline
with a sign, "friendship for hire."

We'll win this war without you
and we'll total up the cost,
and take it from your foreign aid,
and then you'll feel the loss.

And when your nation starts to fall,
well, Frenchie, you can spare us,
just call the Germans for a hand,
they know the way to Paris.

should be shortened. to long. Need to be 5-7-5 only way to write poems. Good reason though.

Napolean was born on corisca which was genoaian soil which was annexed after/during his birth. He was Italian.
no, he wasnt Italian

Corsica was French by the time he was born. Even if it had been Genoan, he would have been Genoan not Italian

1768 The Treaty of Versailles - 1789 Integration with France
Corsica, the only independent island of the Mediterranean, had nevertheless a flimsy army.
France which had seen, at the expense of an ambiguous policy, its influence grow, in the Mediterranean in general and particularly in Genoa, found itself granted Corsica in 1768 by the Treaty of Versailles.
source (http://www.corsica.net/corsica/uk/discov/hist/)

so you see? France was granted Corsica in 1768, Napoleon was born in 1769

Voltaire was too liberal? too liberal for wanting freedom and equality? doesnt rule him out of being a great thinker. Read "Candide"...great satire

Humans are evil. Hobbes was a great man for discovering this. All you need is one look at an anarchitic state like lets say semolia (almost every single person carries a gun on the streets) and see black hawk down (Boring movie)
to learn that humans are evil. Only governments and religion keep us in check. Democracy is to corrupt kings are annoying republics are worse then democracy communism and fascism fail and national socialism is basically an extreme fascism thats rascist. so the only good governments are

Miekism, Theocracy,Socialism

Yeah right...

They showed up at the very end and helped ensure a "route" of the English, but who do you think drove them back to the Sea in the first place? And where were the French while we were doing that?

Yeah, there were a couple of French Military "Advisors" here during the bulk of the War, but it was Americans that beat the French in 1776 and again in 1812, not the stinking French, no matter how you choose to re-write History.

Do you mean Americans beat the English in the War of 1812? If anything it was a draw. Americans tried to invade Canada and all we got was our capital burned to the ground.

A few points:

Whilst the USA did a lot in WW2 i think people forget the Russians actually paid the real price for fighting the Nazi's roughly 23million of them died due to the war against the Nazis. Sure they were colaberating originally, and whatever their motives were -they still undeniably were responsible for a large part of fighting and beating the Nazi war machine.

Also, I would put forward that the reason many Americans in particular dislike the French governemt is because it is very similar in nature to the American one. Nearly all governments in the world lie backstab and cheat. When it comes down to it people want money and power. America has the most, so it is in a position to do what it wants, which is usually of a negative nature. But it is no worse than France or anywhere else. What IS worse is that a good 50% of the American public still cling to the notion that Neo-Cons like Cheney/Rumsfelt or Chirac arn't trying to do the greater good...all they want is for their nation to be rich and powerfull.

no, he wasnt Italian

Corsica was French by the time he was born. Even if it had been Genoan, he would have been Genoan not Italian


source (http://www.corsica.net/corsica/uk/discov/hist/)

so you see? France was granted Corsica in 1768, Napoleon was born in 1769

Fine he was technically french but his ethnic background was italian

Humans are evil. Hobbes was a great man for discovering this. All you need is one look at an anarchitic state like lets say semolia (almost every single person carries a gun on the streets) and see black hawk down (Boring movie)
to learn that humans are evil. Only governments and religion keep us in check. Democracy is to corrupt kings are annoying republics are worse then democracy communism and fascism fail and national socialism is basically an extreme fascism thats rascist. so the only good governments are

Miekism, Theocracy,Socialism
im not entirely sure what your argument is here

Fine he was technically french but his ethnic background was italian
doesnt mean a thing. He was a French leader leading a French army and he managed to take over half of Europe.

Do you mean Americans beat the English in the War of 1812? If anything it was a draw. Americans tried to invade Canada and all we got was our capital burned to the ground.

Yeah, I think you might like to ask the British if they believe they Won the Battle for New Orleans...

And are you trying to tell me that it wasn't the British Armies intent to re-Colonialize the American States with that War?

Give me a break...

It wasn't the French who beat the Hessians(sp), who were supposed to have been the best "paid" Military Force of their day, was it?

i did not read the thread, but if someone said it, sorry.
how can the world NOT be mad at the country that produced mimes?? hmmm??

A few points:

Whilst the USA did a lot in WW2 i think people forget the Russians actually paid the real price for fighting the Nazi's roughly 23million of them died due to the war against the Nazis. Sure they were colaberating originally, and whatever their motives were -they still undeniably were responsible for a large part of fighting and beating the Nazi war machine.

Also, I would put forward that the reason many Americans in particular dislike the French governemt is because it is very similar in nature to the American one. Nearly all governments in the world lie backstab and cheat. When it comes down to it people want money and power. America has the most, so it is in a position to do what it wants, which is usually of a negative nature. But it is no worse than France or anywhere else. What IS worse is that a good 50% of the American public still cling to the notion that Neo-Cons like Cheney/Rumsfelt or Chirac arn't trying to do the greater good...all they want is for their nation to be rich and powerfull.

The truth of politicians is out! They're greedy arrogant bastards! Someone has seen the light!

A few points:

Whilst the USA did a lot in WW2 i think people forget the Russians actually paid the real price for fighting the Nazi's roughly 23million of them died due to the war against the Nazis. Sure they were colaberating originally, and whatever their motives were -they still undeniably were responsible for a large part of fighting and beating the Nazi war machine.

Also, I would put forward that the reason many Americans in particular dislike the French governemt is because it is very similar in nature to the American one. Nearly all governments in the world lie backstab and cheat. When it comes down to it people want money and power. America has the most, so it is in a position to do what it wants, which is usually of a negative nature. But it is no worse than France or anywhere else. What IS worse is that a good 50% of the American public still cling to the notion that Neo-Cons like Cheney/Rumsfelt or Chirac arn't trying to do the greater good...all they want is for their nation to be rich and powerfull.

You forgot that the russians killed the best german sniper. They got so pissed. How about the british and their navy and radar (palindrome).

Anyway i have two ww2 question. On the war in the pacific how the hell did the little country of japan destroy the chinese. The chinese had around 10x the population (educated guess could be more or less) and at least 2x the size. I mean sure technology is one thing but come on. The germans didn't help them that much

And howabout spain. Was it an axis power or neutral. Pre ww2 germany helped spain a few years before ww2 against the americans or natives or whoever on this one island.

Okay, so they might be moody... and possibly hesistant to take a bullet for another country... or even for their own for that matter, but admit it- most people have a love/hate relationship with the French. Everything tastes better when you say it in French. I was absolutely blown away with the food there. Can you honestly say that you don't ever want to see the Eiffel Tower or the Louvre? As far as art and culture, Paris is up there with the best.

Oh, I just wrote a paper about that. The Japanese had recently modernized, while China was lagging behind. They weren't organized enough, basically.

not only di france get beat in ww2 they f****ing joined the germans,

really. explain the mimes.

im not entirely sure what your argument is here


simple humans are evil. If left in anarchy they would kill eachother or similiar things. The only governments i could see that wouldn't eventually fail in ruling humans strictly are
Miekism, Theocracy and Socialisms.
So being liberal makes you support human rights (not necassarily welfare like abortions but lets not get into it making me screw up three forums) leading the country closer to anarchy.

If wondering i made up Miekism. It is a mixture of fascism, theocracy, has very few communist ideas and a couple stalinist (like the iron curtain). The idea is complete isolation(that is good or at least in my opinion) and very few rights. Punishment is strict to deter crimes. Everyone is barcoded. Cigarettes are illegal but i could care less about beer.

Why i agree with hobbes and think humans are evil.

Semolia

King Henry VIII changed the religion to anglican just so he could, you know
which resulted in a lot of catholic deaths (B@st@rd)

Potatoe famine could've been prevented but the british are greedy( The british only allowed the irish to sell all wheat to britain not keeping any and forced this with soldiers :eek: so the irish basic food supply was potatoes)

WW2

WW1 falsly being blamed on Germany. The serbians (part of i believe yugoslavia) shot the austrian guy(started with an f) causing the reaction which started ww1

Canadia's fining clergy for not performing gay marriages (the church is like a charity and its against their religion to be gay)

Stalin

Robespiarre

30 years war (damn them)

Napolean

Peter the Great

Capitalist (To greedy and could careless about humans)(Some at least)

Movie stars

Hienrich

Adolf

KKK

slavery

North Korea (sure we saved iraq when North Korea made a nuke that could
hit California)(Heard this two or three years ago)

Green Peace (if they're the ones who protect the animals that are endangered(like i think they are) then they should stop. Darwin would say they aren't fit)

American Revelotution (Go to why i hate america forum)

need more?
If you think humans are good show me proof

Oh, I just wrote a paper about that. The Japanese had recently modernized, while China was lagging behind. They weren't organized enough, basically.

I know that the japanese had the 2inch armor pathetic tank and pathetic machine guns and submachineguns but still they were outnumbered at least 10 to 1. The chinese also had wealthy british and japan was all over the islands in the pacific.

simple humans are evil. If left in anarchy they would kill eachother or similiar things. The only governments i could see that wouldn't eventually fail in ruling humans strictly are
Miekism, Theocracy and Socialisms.
So being liberal makes you support human rights (not necassarily welfare like abortions but lets not get into it making me screw up three forums) leading the country closer to anarchy.

If wondering i made up Miekism. It is a mixture of fascism, theocracy, has very few communist ideas and a couple stalinist (like the iron curtain). The idea is complete isolation(that is good or at least in my opinion) and very few rights. Punishment is strict to deter crimes. Everyone is barcoded. Cigarettes are illegal but i could care less about beer.

Why i agree with hobbes and think humans are evil.

Semolia

King Henry VIII changed the religion to anglican just so he could, you know
which resulted in a lot of catholic deaths (B@st@rd)

Potatoe famine could've been prevented but the british are greedy( The british only allowed the irish to sell all wheat to britain not keeping any and forced this with soldiers :eek: so the irish basic food supply was potatoes)

WW2

WW1 falsly being blamed on Germany. The serbians (part of i believe yugoslavia) shot the austrian guy(started with an f) causing the reaction which started ww1

Canadia's fining clergy for not performing gay marriages (the church is like a charity and its against their religion to be gay)

Stalin

Robespiarre

30 years war (damn them)

Napolean

Peter the Great

Capitalist (To greedy and could careless about humans)(Some at least)

Movie stars

Hienrich

Adolf

KKK

slavery

North Korea (sure we saved iraq when North Korea made a nuke that could
hit California)(Heard this two or three years ago)

Green Peace (if they're the ones who protect the animals that are endangered(like i think they are) then they should stop. Darwin would say they aren't fit)

American Revelotution (Go to why i hate america forum)

need more?
If you think humans are good show me proof
i never said they were

EDIT: oh hang on, hadnt noticed this:
So being liberal makes you support human rights (not necassarily welfare like abortions but lets not get into it making me screw up three forums) leading the country closer to anarchy.

you really cannot be serious

doesnt mean a thing. He was a French leader leading a French army and he managed to take over half of Europe.
His Grenadiers were mostly Swiss and German troops. Some were French, but the elite of his army wasn't French. Keep in mind that Wellington never lost a battle, whereas Napoleon lost every battle against Wellington. He did fine against the fractured German city states, the corrupt and incompetent Spanish government, but against a real army like England's or Russia's he got trounced. It's weird that the greatest French military was ultimately defeated, not once but twice.

His Grenadiers were mostly Swiss and German troops. Some were French, but the elite of his army wasn't French. Keep in mind that Wellington never lost a battle, whereas Napoleon lost every battle against Wellington. He did fine against the fractured German city states, the corrupt and incompetent Spanish government, but against a real army like England's or Russia's he got trounced. It's weird that the greatest French military was ultimately defeated, not once but twice.
defeated the first time by the Russian weather and stretched supply lines...deep inside Russia

defeated the second time narrowly at Waterloo

i never said they were

EDIT: oh hang on, hadnt noticed this:


you really cannot be serious

I dont understand liberalism or conservatism to well (to many isms) but from my understanding liberals think humans should have almost every right they could think of. I am the complete opposite. Put all humans in anarchy and the murder and crime rates (if they existed in anarchy) in any given country (except the already anarchies) would defineatly go up

defeated the first time by the Russian weather and stretched supply lines...deep inside Russia

defeated the second time narrowly at Waterloo

liepzig and waterloo. Come on the russian weather only killed about 3/4s the russian gueirillas killed about 1/2 the remaining and the british and german killed the rest.

Waterloo the french didn't even stand a chance from the beginning

Can we now stay off the napoleanic wars and my political philosophies

liepzig and waterloo. Come on the russian weather only killed about 3/4s the russian gueirillas killed about 1/2 the remaining and the british and german killed the rest.

Waterloo the french didn't even stand a chance from the beginning
he went to Russia with 400,000 men, a few months later he had 10,000. explain that without using the weather. Hitler made the same mistake

defeated the first time by the Russian weather and stretched supply lines...deep inside Russia

defeated the second time narrowly at Waterloo
Only France blames its alledged military mastermind's ultimate defeat on...weather. America and England need no such excuse. And Waterloo was a massacre, I don't know what textbook you were reading. Napoleon marched his Grenadiers through a canyon lined with British artillery, casualties for 2 units were close to 100%.

he went to Russia with 400,000 men, a few months later he had 10,000. explain that without using the weather. Hitler made the same mistake
Again, did Hitler beat Russia or England? He was no military genius, he simply beat up the weaker countries that were utterly incapable of defending themselves, or those that outright capitulated.

Only France blames its alledged military mastermind's ultimate defeat on...weather. America and England need no such excuse. And Waterloo was a massacre, I don't know what textbook you were reading. Napoleon marched his Grenadiers through a canyon lined with British artillery, casualties for 2 units were close to 100%.

america wasn't to involved. All it did was trade with britain helping the cs to fail

continental
system

Only France blames its alledged military mastermind's ultimate defeat on...weather. America and England need no such excuse. And Waterloo was a massacre, I don't know what textbook you were reading. Napoleon marched his Grenadiers through a canyon lined with British artillery, casualties for 2 units were close to 100%.
i believe it was fairly close for a large part of the battle

this isnt a discussion on the battle of waterloo, or on the napoleonic wars - if you want start a thread about it, this isnt the place

america wasn't to involved. All it did was trade with britain helping the cs to fail

continental
system
I'm talking all throughout history. No where has America blamed a defeat on bad weather.

i believe it was fairly close for a large part of the battle

this isnt a discussion on the battle of waterloo, or on the napoleonic wars - if you want start a thread about it, this isnt the place
You believe incorrectly. 100% casualties isn't close. It's related to this thread in that you're refutting someone else's assertion with faulty facts. I'm simply correcting you.

Again, did Hitler beat Russia or England? He was no military genius, he simply beat up the weaker countries that were utterly incapable of defending themselves, or those that outright capitulated.

before you make wild accusations listen to this. Hitler devestated the british and probably would've won in the west if some small country (yes i'm pointing to you japan) didnt attack america but when they attacked the russians it was the one point you were sure of their defeat. Also the genocide made jews sabatage their nuke alot.

I never liked hitler incase you thought otherwise

Would you like to know why? It's because america is like a really big and mean kid on the playground. Although the rest of the world is far more mature, America is still bigger and likes to go around beating people up. When it is questioned by people who it would not be prudent to beat up, America resorts to insults and denegrations. America thinks he's all that and a bag of chips, but in reality, he's just a violent troublemaker with delusions of grandeur.

I would have to agree that the US is a pouting 12 year old, determined to get his own way.

I would have to agree that the US is a pouting 12 year old, determined to get his own way.
Said the sophmoric 11 year old, confident that foreign relations and geopolitics can be reduced to a metaphor.

before you make wild accusations listen to this. Hitler devestated the british and probably would've won in the west if some small country (yes i'm pointing to you japan) didnt attack america but when they attacked the russians it was the one point you were sure of their defeat. Also the genocide made jews sabatage their nuke alot.

I never liked hitler incase you thought otherwise
The RAF devasted the Germans, true, the Germans had the jet first, but by that time their war machine was largely running on empty.

Yeah right...

They showed up at the very end and helped ensure a "route" of the English, but who do you think drove them back to the Sea in the first place? And where were the French while we were doing that?

Yeah, there were a couple of French Military "Advisors" here during the bulk of the War, but it was Americans that beat the French in 1776 and again in 1812, not the stinking French, no matter how you choose to re-write History.
Look at your argument. Really, look.
Now think of WW2.
Replace the two names of the countries in your argument and it fits to a T what the US did. Does that stops you from claiming you liberated France?

Then shut up.

Look at your argument. Really, look.
Now think of WW2.
Replace the two names of the countries in your argument and it fits to a T what the US did. Does that stops you from claiming you liberated France?

Then shut up.

He was wrong.

I've been to America. I've been to France.
I'd move to France if I'd had the chance.

There nicer in spirit and greet strangers well.
Unlike America a scowl or the birdy can tell
You where you should go. I'd like to say
The French are nicer than Americans any day!

Just felt like writing a poem.
But the French are so open and so nice to foreigners or strangers.
I travelled all around Fance and talked with many french people.
I only met ONE french person who was rude to me and she was a baker.

I think in the polical arena, the Americans have a bee in their bonnet about the French. And I feel sorry for the French for being targeted by America.

I think America is pissed off with France because France called the Bush administration 'arrogant' around the time of 911.

www.fromthewilderness.com should give you more insight as to where the tush originated from.

I've been to America. I've been to France.
I'd move to France if I'd had the chance.

There nicer in spirit and greet strangers well.
Unlike America a scowl or the birdy can tell
You where you should go. I'd like to say
The French are nicer than Americans any day!

Just felt like writing a poem.
But the French are so open and so nice to foreigners or strangers.
I travelled all around Fance and talked with many french people.
I only met ONE french person who was rude to me and she was a baker.

I think in the polical arena, the Americans have a bee in their bonnet about the French. And I feel sorry for the French for being targeted by America.

I think America is pissed off with France because France called the Bush administration 'arrogant' around the time of 911.

www.fromthewilderness.com should give you more insight as to where the tush originated from.

Oh yes the poor poor French people, I feel awful for them, it must be so hard for them taking a dump everywhere and expected the US to clean it up!

Anybody recall The Panama Canal? The Viet Nam war?

BTW, that is one of the most pathetic poems ever written, in the middle you say, I just felt like writing a poem, and than you keep rampbling on.

One quote about France I love. Remember when Le'pen came very close to winning the French elections. Well this is what Angus Deyton had to say about the events

"When it was discoverd that the far right extremeist Jean Marie Le'Pen had won the right to the second rounds, thousands of those hearing the news marched out onto the streets to protest against the fascists, something they singlely failed to do in 1940"

Dont forget with the exception of the French Resistance (fucking awesome!) The French did flippin' nothing in WWII, they had a lot of men great technology, but the men were worthless and didnt want to fight and gave up after a while and the leaders of the war werent military genious' either.

I've been to America. I've been to France.
I'd move to France if I'd had the chance.

There nicer in spirit and greet strangers well.
Unlike America a scowl or the birdy can tell
You where you should go. I'd like to say
The French are nicer than Americans any day!

Just felt like writing a poem.
But the French are so open and so nice to foreigners or strangers.
I travelled all around Fance and talked with many french people.
I only met ONE french person who was rude to me and she was a baker.

I think in the polical arena, the Americans have a bee in their bonnet about the French. And I feel sorry for the French for being targeted by America.

I think America is pissed off with France because France called the Bush administration 'arrogant' around the time of 911.

www.fromthewilderness.com should give you more insight as to where the tush originated from.

I agree that the French are nice people (except to us and vice versa) but I dont agree about what you said about the US, any time I have seen a foreigner, and Ive seen them even in the south and the west everyone is very nice to them, the US isnt mean they are nice to almost everyone.

Dont forget with the exception of the French Resistance (fucking awesome!) The French did flippin' nothing in WWII, they had a lot of men great technology, but the men were worthless and didnt want to fight and gave up after a while and the leaders of the war werent military genious' either.


Three words: Free French Army.

100.000 Thousand French Soldiers that were able to escape to Britain, then returned on D day (De Gaulle on the command)

So what you're saying you can judge a country where the only rude ones as nice if the only rude people are bakers. Sure the french may be hospitable just so you lower your gaurd then they come up and.... Also they actually hindered the allies. Going from france to germany is a lot faster then going through france to germany. French are to nice for their own good.

France's enemy: Surrender
France: Okay
France's enemy: Attack your old ally
France: Okay
France's old Ally: Surrender
France: Okay...

Too nice. Pathetic really. They should be as mean as possible without warring or genociding.

I think there are many similarities between France and the US. Having travelled around both to some degree I find both nations full of very helpful friendly people.

Also, the perception of both countries is similar. They both have foreign policies that divides people into 'hate' and 'love' camps. It's fun to hate the French/Yanks because of their foreign relationships but when you have a pint with a Frenchman or Yank, it's always warm. A lot of people in the west don't like the French, fine, but a lot of people around the world don't like America.

A quote from Return of the Jedi...A lot of the truths we cling to depend greatly on your own point of view.

A lot of people in the west don't like the French, fine, but a lot of people around the world don't like America.


And no-one in the western world hates the Americans more than the French and no-one in the western world hates the French more than the Americans.

I don't get why people hate the French. In Britain lots of people say to hate them because of our history of warring but there're loads of countries we've fought wars against. I think Britons don't like the French becasue secretly we know their langauge sounds much better, they have more interesting food and they can stand up to George Bush. The French are just very superior.

Dont forget with the exception of the French Resistance (fucking awesome!) The French did flippin' nothing in WWII, they had a lot of men great technology, but the men were worthless and didnt want to fight and gave up after a while and the leaders of the war werent military genious' either.

Great milliatary tech, a defence line that isnt quite finished. The least they could have done was made it into a bottle neck by putting their army in place there.

I'm English...

You're right that the English like to 'hate' the French and vice versa but a lot of it is a historical rivalry rather than a real dislike. As I said it's fun to 'hate' them but when you actually see a Brit and a Frenchman meet, well thats different. It's like boxers hugging each other after belting the shit out of each other for 36 minutes.

We saved France twice. In WW I, the French army was at the point of collapse when the Americans arrived. As for WW II, we all know the French couldn't even organize their own resistance without British help.

The British Army was far more professional than the French, even though the French had better equipment. The French military leaders were stupid and their men were worthless.

Ah, I seem to remember the Americans being drawn in to clean up a little French mess called.... Vietnam.

Thank goodness someone has their facts straight

And no-one in the western world hates the Americans more than the French and no-one in the western world hates the French more than the Americans.

I don't get why people hate the French. In Britain lots of people say to hate them because of our history of warring but there're loads of countries we've fought wars against. I think Britons don't like the French becasue secretly we know their langauge sounds much better, they have more interesting food and they can stand up to George Bush. The French are just very superior.

So you're saying they are superior because they have good food and hate Bush???

I dont think the French nor English language sounds better, I'd have to say the best sounding languages are Italian and Spanish.

Btw, the French want to be a first world nation, they just dont want to do any work to become one. They are pathetic, like I said before, they take a dump in other countries and expect for others to clean it up, the US is usually the Janitor.

I dont think the French nor English language sounds better, I'd have to say the best sounding languages are Italian and Spanish.
If you think that Italian and Spanish are better sounding, then you think French is better sounding. They all are latin dialect with the same roots. Spanish and French is really close to one another.

Btw, the French want to be a first world nation, they just dont want to do any work to become one. They are pathetic, like I said before, they take a dump in other countries and expect for others to clean it up, the US is usually the Janitor.
:rolleyes:
Racism, pure and simple.