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On another thread something interesting was mentioned by Mickonia hope that person does not mind me using their name if so I apolgize and the mods may delete this thread. But in the xenophobe thread Mickonia mentioned the jedi code in it is a statement that ........... fear leads to hate.

I thought this would be something of interest to discuss does fear lead to hate? I am sure as with most things it is not 100% but is it enough to warrent making some sort of behavioral changes?

Thanks Mickonia for the thread idea!!

Personally, I'm of the belief that most true hate does, in fact, spawn from some sort of fear, whether it be from a phobia, trauma, or simply what seems to be humanity's fear of the unknown.

It makes perfect sense that fear leads to hate. People don't like to be afraid. As such, they will tend to lash out at whatever makes them afraid. Eventually, people use the terms interchangeably. How many people have you heard say "I hate heights"? In fact, they hate heights because they are afraid of them.

The same thing goes for other cultures/etc. People don't understand other cultures, therefore they are scary. People don't like to be afraid, so they begin to hate.

I don't really know how to change it though, other than to educate people better.

I'd agree that fear often leads to hatred.

Additionally, it's important to note that humans are more attracted to things that are familiar to them, and less attracted to things that are foreign to them.

It makes perfect sense that fear leads to hate. People don't like to be afraid. As such, they will tend to lash out at whatever makes them afraid. Eventually, people use the terms interchangeably. How many people have you heard say "I hate heights"? In fact, they hate heights because they are afraid of them.

The same thing goes for other cultures/etc. People don't understand other cultures, therefore they are scary. People don't like to be afraid, so they begin to hate.

I don't really know how to change it though, other than to educate people better.

I think the best way to change this trend is to get more Americans participating in study abroad programs. Living in another culture is the best way to get to know it - and therefore, like it better.

I believe stereotyping all hatred to be rooted in fear is pseudo-psychological self-help bullshit that, much like communistic ideals, attempts to redefine the world to fit a narrow viewpoint by eliminating a range of possibility for human emotions and behaviors. You know what I hate? When I do hate something, and somebody thumping their three weeks in psychology enables them to insta-diagnose me with the moniker, FEAR!

It's like in Donnie Darko, that teacher putting every behavior/thought/emotion onto a line closer to either Fear or Love. "Things aren't that simple."

I believe stereotyping all hatred to be rooted in fear is pseudo-psychological self-help bullshit that, much like communistic ideals, attempts to redefine the world to fit a narrow viewpoint by eliminating a range of possibility for human emotions and behaviors. You know what I hate? When I do hate something, and somebody thumping their three weeks in psychology enables them to insta-diagnose me with the moniker, FEAR!

It's like in Donnie Darko, that teacher putting every behavior/thought/emotion onto a line closer to either Fear or Love. "Things aren't that simple."

Wow... you're channeling a lot of rage there. Must have been ignored by your mother as a baby.

:D Just kidding...

I don't think anyone was saying that ALL hate comes from fear. At least, I certainly wasn't. I was just saying that fear *often* (note: not ALWAYS) leads to hate... but it could lead to other things, as well, and hate can also stem from other issues.

On another thread something interesting was mentioned by Mickonia hope that person does not mind me using their name if so I apolgize and the mods may delete this thread. But in the xenophobe thread Mickonia mentioned the jedi code in it is a statement that ........... fear leads to hate.

I thought this would be something of interest to discuss does fear lead to hate? I am sure as with most things it is not 100% but is it enough to warrent making some sort of behavioral changes?

Thanks Mickonia for the thread idea!!

Since I have leared to neither fear nor hate, I honestly wouldn't know. :)

Hey man, I personally think that most/all hate is based on some sort of fear, but I'm certainly not saying it's the truth and I'm certainly not educated well enough in psychology to claim it is. In fact I have never BEEN educated in psychology (besides what teachers randomly put out), I'm a high schooler who's come to conclusions based on what she's seen in life and currently knows. And I'm perfectly willing to change opinions in the face of greater knowledge.

True.

When you come down to it, all human emotions stem from other human emotions in the sense that the human mind is a chaotic place that only deludes itself into thinking it has a fixed state. In reality it can only be a certain state, relative to the state it was just in. So one can be "more" hateful or more happy, but never just plain "happy" with no frame of reference.

Since I have leared to neither fear nor hate, I honestly wouldn't know.

Who are you fooling? What, you're a robot, you don't know fear because fear is a lowly instinct for us fleshbags? Or you're a Vulcan, you're above petty emotions?

I think you're afraid of admitting that you've hated and feared just like everyone else, because you see that as an insult to something you value.

I believe stereotyping all hatred to be rooted in fear is pseudo-psychological self-help bullshit that, much like communistic ideals, attempts to redefine the world to fit a narrow viewpoint by eliminating a range of possibility for human emotions and behaviors. You know what I hate? When I do hate something, and somebody thumping their three weeks in psychology enables them to insta-diagnose me with the moniker, FEAR!

It's like in Donnie Darko, that teacher putting every behavior/thought/emotion onto a line closer to either Fear or Love. "Things aren't that simple."

Hey, what are you so afraid of?

(ok, just kidding. =)

Hey, what are you so afraid of?

(ok, just kidding. =)

ARGGHHH! :headbang:

;)

Heh no seriously, ever get into an argument where the other person tries to make the point that you're getting upset or angry and you're not (nor would it be relevant if so?) And then you argue about that and they keep insisting on it and it finally does wind up pissing you off because they're being a stubborn idiotic penischeese? Man I hate that.

There are some instances where fear will lead to hatred, but not all the time.

It also depends on the person's environment and the influences surrounding them. It's unfair to link fear and hatred to something psychological (even though it might be the case sometimes), because it's possible that the fear of another culture or whatever is fueled by media hype and rumours. This leads to negative stereotyping, ignorance, bigotry and other forms of hatred that revolve around racism (this is just an example - I'm using race/religion since it's the most common victim of fear/hatred).

ARGGHHH! :headbang:

;)

Heh no seriously, ever get into an argument where the other person tries to make the point that you're getting upset or angry and you're not (nor would it be relevant if so?) And then you argue about that and they keep insisting on it and it finally does wind up pissing you off because they're being a stubborn idiotic penischeese? Man I hate that.

Just be all 'Fine, I'm upset. Back to the matter at hand?' Or something.

Who are you fooling? What, you're a robot, you don't know fear because fear is a lowly instinct for us fleshbags? Or you're a Vulcan, you're above petty emotions?

I think you're afraid of admitting that you've hated and feared just like everyone else, because you see that as an insult to something you value.

Not really "fooling" anyone. Yes, I have hated and feared a great deal at many times in my life, but that's one reason I seem to have been able to move beyond that. That's not to say that I won't ever fear or hate again, but for now I honestly don't hate or fear. ( shrug ) Call it a developed skill. :)

I would think that fear normally invokes fight or flight and another option is freezing. How does the transistion from fear progress to hatred?

I would think that fear normally invokes fight or flight and another option is freezing. How does the transistion from fear progress to hatred?

First you freeze ... then you KILL! Mwahahahahaha! :mp5:

I would think that fear normally invokes fight or flight and another option is freezing. How does the transistion from fear progress to hatred?

In the 'fight' part, wouldn't it be? Fight, aggression, hatred? But then, humans are a bit off the normal track of instincts.

Heh no seriously, ever get into an argument where the other person tries to make the point that you're getting upset or angry and you're not (nor would it be relevant if so?) And then you argue about that and they keep insisting on it and it finally does wind up pissing you off because they're being a stubborn idiotic penischeese? Man I hate that.
It's really annoying when they're getting all upset about it too, when you just answer "Yes, I'm a bit annoyed. Let's get back on topic." and they start saying "Calm down. Calm down! CALM DOWN!!!!!!!!" when you aren't doing anything. Then they stand up and start raving like they've gone mad.

You see, this is why I hate people.
:D

It's really annoying when they're getting all upset about it too, when you just answer "Yes, I'm a bit annoyed. Let's get back on topic." and they start saying "Calm down. Calm down! CALM DOWN!!!!!!!!" when you aren't doing anything. Then they stand up and start raving like they've gone mad.

You see, this is why I hate people.
:D

Yeah. Those people are stupid. They're often also the people that insist they've insulted you. People like that you either want to stare at like they're made up of boogers, strangle, or laugh at really, really hard. Or hit with a tranquilizer dart. :D

Yeah. Those people are stupid. They're often also the people that insist they've insulted you. People like that you either want to stare at like they're made up of boogers, strangle, or laugh at really, really hard. Or hit with a tranquilizer dart. :D
Or bite their carotid artery and let them bleed out on the floor while the debate continues.

In the 'fight' part, wouldn't it be? Fight, aggression, hatred? But then, humans are a bit off the normal track of instincts.

Yeah, it's probable that the automatic bodily responses triggered by fear (activation of the sympathetic nervous system, for those who prefer technical terminology) that lead to fighting would also trigger further emotional responses. Fear->desire to fight->hatred

Or something. :D

Or bite their carotid artery and let them bleed out on the floor while the debate continues.

Yeah, but after you do that, most people don't want to debate with you anymore. :(

Yeah, but after you do that, most people don't want to debate with you anymore. :(
That's a good thing, because I win if they forfeit.
:p

That's a good thing, because I win if they forfeit.
:p

Yeah, but it's more satisfying if you prove that you're right and drill that point into their head until they're curled into a corner crying, and screaming 'You were right! You we-' Um. Yes.

Fear can contribute to hate, but it isn't the only causal factor. Anger, frustration (particularly of the ongoing variety), betrayal, misunderstanding and disagreement can all have causal relationships to hatred. Also, combinations of the above factors are frequently present where hatred occurs.