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The barbaric seal massacres in Canada have got to stop. Here is a thought provoking article!

About the Canadian Seal Hunt! (http://www.hsus.org/marine_mammals/protect_seals/about_the_canadian_seal_hunt/)

Canadian government figures show that in 2002–2003 96.6% of the reported 286,238 seals killed between November 15 and May 15 were 12 days to 12 weeks old. Under the government's latest plan, hunters will be allowed to kill 975,000 harp seals on their home ice east of Newfoundland and Labrador during a three-year period. We don't know how many more seals were killed than were reported, but we do know that in the 2001-2002 hunt, sealers killed at least 30,000 more seals than allowed by law. And how did the Canadian government punish the sealers? By upping the quota.


I'm sorry, but if the US government allowed this to happen in the States, people would be so outraged. The international community needs to put pressure on Canada, and not buy it's seal products!

goddamn seals.

Damn lucky Canadians, I wanna club a seal.

environmental responsibility is fiscally irresponsible, and vice versa.

fuck the dolphins, save the tuna!

meaningless emoticons, go!
:rolleyes: :headbang: :sniper: :gundge: :fluffle: :mp5: :D

There aint nothing like a good old seal bashing.

If the only reason the Canadian government is allowing this is because the seals eat too many cod (one must wonder how the cod ever survived till the heroic European hunters could get there to kill the seals) then it sounds like they have no grounds of supporting this. If the government has other reasons for supporting it, as the article stated but so conveniently did not expand upon, I'd like to hear the other reasons before I make a judgement.

Edit: screwed up a sentence.

The barbaric seal massacres in Canada have got to stop. Here is a thought provoking article!

About the Canadian Seal Hunt! (http://www.hsus.org/marine_mammals/protect_seals/about_the_canadian_seal_hunt/)

Canadian government figures show that in 2002–2003 96.6% of the reported 286,238 seals killed between November 15 and May 15 were 12 days to 12 weeks old. Under the government's latest plan, hunters will be allowed to kill 975,000 harp seals on their home ice east of Newfoundland and Labrador during a three-year period. We don't know how many more seals were killed than were reported, but we do know that in the 2001-2002 hunt, sealers killed at least 30,000 more seals than allowed by law. And how did the Canadian government punish the sealers? By upping the quota.


I'm sorry, but if the US government allowed this to happen in the States, people would be so outraged. The international community needs to put pressure on Canada, and not buy it's seal products!

Uhh yeah better call up PETA. LOL!

Meh. Seals, schmeals. If they weren't cute, people wouldn't give a fuck.

I think its them being cute that makes people want to club them.

The barbaric seal massacres in Canada have got to stop. Here is a thought provoking article!

About the Canadian Seal Hunt! (http://www.hsus.org/marine_mammals/protect_seals/about_the_canadian_seal_hunt/)

Canadian government figures show that in 2002–2003 96.6% of the reported 286,238 seals killed between November 15 and May 15 were 12 days to 12 weeks old. Under the government's latest plan, hunters will be allowed to kill 975,000 harp seals on their home ice east of Newfoundland and Labrador during a three-year period. We don't know how many more seals were killed than were reported, but we do know that in the 2001-2002 hunt, sealers killed at least 30,000 more seals than allowed by law. And how did the Canadian government punish the sealers? By upping the quota.


I'm sorry, but if the US government allowed this to happen in the States, people would be so outraged. The international community needs to put pressure on Canada, and not buy it's seal products!
Yeah Canadians kill seals and the US is the world's largest polluter. Which is worse?

No no no, you got it wrong. We don't club seals, we go to Club Seal. It's this absolutely fantastic nightclub in downtown Toronto!

B-b-b-b-ut, the CIA was VERY firm in their allegations that the Harp seals had been negotiating to buy yellowcake from Niger! Wehad no choice!

:D


The seal hunt is something not viewed all that well in Canada due to the techniques used, the current quota is down to 350,000, and yes - the decline of predators in the area such as polar bears, wolves, foxes etc has required there be a yearly cull rather than let them overpopulate - exactly the reason quotas for deer season are set in the US and Canada.

If your argument is the manner of the killing, many Canadians agree. If your argument is that *gasp* Canada allows hunting, then allow me to be the first to laugh.


At least the seal hunters don't strap the corpses to their pickup trucks and then stick their heads on their walls like so many fishermen, deer hunters, and bear hunters do.

Yeah Canadians kill seals and the US is the world's largest polluter. Which is worse?

Clubbing baby seals, and many times skinning them while alive! Oops, China has just about caught up to the US, soon they will pass us.

Canada is also the most wasteful nation!

Clubbing baby seals, and many times skinning them while alive! Oops, China has just about caught up to the US, soon they will pass us.

Canada is also the most wasteful nation!

So? It's (Canada) also very small, compared to the US. We might be wasteful, but the amount wasted total is much less than the US. And the polution is worse, too. They (seals) might be getting killed, but the US's polution is killing wildlife too, many beautiful species.

And a boycott of Canada is a dumb idea. Look at how big and diverse the country is! I'm Canadian, and I find this reprehencible. It's mostly natives, I believe.

Wow, I just noticed how disorganized my thoughts in that post are....

My points:

1. Canada is smaller in population than the US, therefore the waste is not greater.

2. The US's polution kills just as much, and much more, wildlife.

3. A boycot of Canada is stupid because of its diversity: not everyone (and probably only a minority) believes this is OK.

The barbaric seal massacres in Canada have got to stop. Here is a thought provoking article!

About the Canadian Seal Hunt! (http://www.hsus.org/marine_mammals/protect_seals/about_the_canadian_seal_hunt/)

Canadian government figures show that in 2002–2003 96.6% of the reported 286,238 seals killed between November 15 and May 15 were 12 days to 12 weeks old. Under the government's latest plan, hunters will be allowed to kill 975,000 harp seals on their home ice east of Newfoundland and Labrador during a three-year period. We don't know how many more seals were killed than were reported, but we do know that in the 2001-2002 hunt, sealers killed at least 30,000 more seals than allowed by law. And how did the Canadian government punish the sealers? By upping the quota.


I'm sorry, but if the US government allowed this to happen in the States, people would be so outraged. The international community needs to put pressure on Canada, and not buy it's seal products!

Animals in a sovrign territory are the property of the government. This is particularly true in Canada because the crown ownes abosolutely everything in Canada. Why don't you get this upset when the UK eradicated their entire population of cattle. Or for that matter farm animals in General. Is something about wild animals that makes them special in comparison to domesticated. Im not making any points here, just tired, and//////tired. see couldn't even hit the "." button right

I'm not sure what pollution and killing of animals in the United States has to do with the clubbing of seals in Canada. Someone enlighten me please.

Well of course, if there are people killing seals in Canada, it means they'll get all crazy and then come down here and start polluting and killing here too, probably throwing beer cans on to the highway as they shoot at squirrels from the bed of a pickup. Wait, can I join ya'all? Sounds like fun!

This is more complicated than a stop or go situation. Firstly, eliminating the seal hunts in Canada (which I personally would like to see stopped) would not stop seals in other places from being killed. Sadly as long as there is a demand for pelts etc. the hunts will continue - whether here or somewhere else. Secondly, if these hunts were stopped - there would be a lot of job losses for people who rely on this as a source of income, which can't be denied either. Lastly, at least some of the hunting is carried out in a very traditional sense by aboriginal people - who are we to deny them the right to their traditions simply because we do not agree with them?

There are a lot of issues that have weight on such a desicion. This is not a black and white issue by any standards. :(

Dumb! and a waste.
Some of the postings here reguarding the seal hunts are sick. All the trying to be cute with dumb answers are just as sick as killing the seals. Leave the seals alone. The world will not be a better place with less seals.
Nothing wrong with Canada a little Timmies coffee cannt fix.
Yes, we American's waste too much and pollute way too much. Does not look like we are going to change either. Too bad, time we did.

Dumb! and a waste.
Some of the postings here reguarding the seal hunts are sick. All the trying to be cute with dumb answers are just as sick as killing the seals. Leave the seals alone. The world will not be a better place with less seals.
Nothing wrong with Canada a little Timmies coffee cannt fix.
Yes, we American's waste too much and pollute way too much. Does not look like we are going to change either. Too bad, time we did.
Of course, no one complains when we kill ugly animals. It is just the cute fluffy ones that people get worked up about. People even have a problem with killling deer sometimes too, when there are so many deer (in the US anyway) that they would literally eat and breed enough to starve themselves if hunting didn't keep the numbers down.

First...yup. baby seals are cute. But so are baby everythings. But it does eventually come down to enviornmental *pests*. And the owner of a fishing business may not view a cute baby seal quite the way the inner city folk do. It's a bit like prairie dogs and a cattle ranch ;) Either way. It *would* be nice to know they're at least dead before you skin them...


"Well you know Betty...if I'd have known the little thing was screaming when they pulled this amazing fur from it's 12 day old body I might have paid more...."

That being said;



Wow, I just noticed how disorganized my thoughts in that post are....

My points:

1. Canada is smaller in population than the US, therefore the waste is not greater.



LMAO. well. While you have a tiny grasp on the point...if one canadian throws away as much shit as 3 americans...well. What does that say?

Club a baby seal for jesus!

I'm not sure what pollution and killing of animals in the United States has to do with the clubbing of seals in Canada. Someone enlighten me please.

It started with someone saying that polution was worse.

To the last poster: I see your 3-1 thing, but remember this: the US population is, what, 50 times bigger than Canada's. The total amount of waste is much greater. On this scale, the per-capita amount doesn't really matter, it's the total. Especially for such things as polution.

It started with someone saying that polution was worse.

To the last poster: I see your 3-1 thing, but remember this: the US population is, what, 50 times bigger than Canada's. The total amount of waste is much greater. On this scale, the per-capita amount doesn't really matter, it's the total. Especially for such things as polution.



Keep tellin' yourself that ;) The per-capita amount certainly SHOULD count to you. It says something that our population is substancially bigger, and we're still able to utilize as much, if not more product then Canada.

As far as my 3-1 ratio...that was a mere estimate. Please hold, while I get you more accurate evidence on how Canadians are just essentially wasteful.

:eek:

Keep tellin' yourself that ;) The per-capita amount certainly SHOULD count to you. It says something that our population is substancially bigger, and we're still able to utilize as much, if not more product then Canada.

As far as my 3-1 ratio...that was a mere estimate. Please hold, while I get you more accurate evidence on how Canadians are just essentially wasteful.

:eek:

I get your idea that we're wasteful, but your missing my point.

(The following numbers are made up upon general ratios to make the point)

IF the US produces, say, 10 billion tonnes of trash a year, and Canada 1 billion, what does it matter than the US rate is smaller per-capita? There's still 9 billion more tonnes of trash there! Which means they put out more polution.

Club a baby seal for jesus!

It's more like "club a couple hundred heritics for jesus".

And "jesus" better not be that Puerto Rican down the street..... :rolleyes: :p

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How could you NOT club a face like that?

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How could you NOT club a face like that?

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Thats not very nice :(

Ferryland Sealer


CHORUS:
Our schooner and our sloop in Ferryland they do lie
She is already rigged to be bound for the ice
All you lads of the Southern, we will have you to beware.
She's going to the ice in the spring of the year
Laddie whack fol the laddie, laddie whack fol the day.

Our course be east-north-east for two days and two nights.
Our captain he cried out, "B'ys, look ahead for the ice!"
He hove her around, standing in for the land,
'Twas in a few hours he was firm in the jam.
Laddie whack fol the laddie, laddie whack fol the day.

Our captain he cried out, "Come on b'ys, lend a hand"
Our cook he makes the breakfast and each man takes a dram.
With our gaffs in our hands it was earlie for to go,
Every man showed his action 'thout the missing of a blow.
Laddie whack fol the laddie, laddie whack fol the day.

Some were killing, some were scalping, some were haulin' them on board.
Some more they were firing and a-missing of their loads.
In the dusk of the evening all hands in from the cold,
And we counted nine hundred fine scalps in the hold.

We are now off Cape Spear and in sight of Cape Broyle,
We'll dance, sing, carouse, me b'ys in just a little while.
We will soon enjoy the charms of our sweethearts and our friends,
It will not be long before we're down to the bend.
Laddie whack fol the laddie, laddie whack fol the day.

CHORUS

Fol the laddie, laddie whack fol the day (x2)

Thats not very nice :(

Yet you repeated it .... :p

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How could you NOT club a face like that?

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Bloody Brilliant!

I get your idea that we're wasteful, but your missing my point.

(The following numbers are made up upon general ratios to make the point)

IF the US produces, say, 10 billion tonnes of trash a year, and Canada 1 billion, what does it matter than the US rate is smaller per-capita? There's still 9 billion more tonnes of trash there! Which means they put out more polution.


Lol. Ok. well if you're rebuttal to statement "canada wastes more then the us" was that "well in NUMBERS...we don't..." Then you probably shouldn't have responded. I can't speak for the poster but I can garauntee that's NOT what they meant.

So..I've a smidge tiny bit more to look up...but. haha...this is fun.

But since you've (the canadian...lol) tried to justify how much *waste* canadians add up...well. *grin* I can't help but re-educate you.

Canada is bigger than America. Oh yes. By about (a rough conversion) 100,000 miles. Here's my source http://www.photius.com/wfb1999/rankings/total_land_area_0.html

Not to mention that yes, not only is canada bigger, we do indeed have a greater population. As of the US 2000/Candian 2001 Census (and oh my how we've grown..but you'll have to go to the census sites for that info) you're numbers equal roughly around 30 million. Ours were up to around 280 million. So that completely destroys the 3/1 we had before...and (just to be generous) puts your numbers at a (drastically low) 9/1 ratio. Lmao. Now we'll keep in mind how much of dat der Canadia land goes unused. ;)

And now for the BESTEST PART EVAR. to just blow your pollution statement out of the water. In 2002 Canada produced almost twice as much garbage as america. The site however, that I can site this information on, is still causing my help and I to reel in disbelief. So (in your favor) I'm looking to see if I can find something more reliable....lol. wow. wouldn't it be classic if more reliable meant you still produced more garbage...hehe

So really...even your statement on how America produces more waste then canada may be completely false...(I'll be more then happy to bow down if you're right)....I'm fairly certain that I've just done what I usually like to do...prove how Canada is just as imperfect as the rest of the world....

So in conclusion (gotta love my inadequate american HS education...*wink*) unless we find that each canadian produces the same waste as 9 americans...

well. you owe me a cookie.

And now for the BESTEST PART EVAR. to just blow your pollution statement out of the water. In 2002 Canada produced almost twice as much garbage as america. The site however, that I can site this information on, is still causing my help and I to reel in disbelief. So (in your favor) I'm looking to see if I can find something more reliable....lol. wow. wouldn't it be classic if more reliable meant you still produced more garbage...hehe


:D


Alright. This is what I got you secsay Canuck you.....

(this is in 2002..it's the best I got. We'll keep lookin' tho ;) )

as far as "waste/pollution/garbage" numbers are concerned...for the year 2002...canada(andlink) and america(andlink)

Canada produced 9,357,772,363 units http://www.pollutionwatch.org/rank.do?healthEffect=all&year=2002&provincesByList=RETR_TOTAL_COMBINED&provincesByButton=OK&facilitiesByList=RETR_TOTAL_COMBINED&provincesListFac=all&companiesByList=RETR_TOTAL_COMBINED

and.....Ammmmerrrica!!! : 4,792,492,380
http://www.epa.gov/tri/tridata/tri02/press/Rel-indus-2002.pdf



*psssstttt* that's in Lbs btw........*winkwink*.....


Can I have my cookie please?

This coming from a Canadian, I've heard people say the same thing about Canada, that we waste more per person than the US. I've yet to see any proof of this, though.

But still, although the US wastes more, it's pretty pathetic that we waste more per person. You can't make yourself feel better about it by saying 'Well...this country with a population more than 9x ours pollutes more than us.' Does that really matter? Uh...no. It's more of a doing it for yourself kind of thing, like...trying to beat your personal best in a race rather than racing against others. Cut back on your consumption because you know it's bad for the planet rather than saying 'Oh, it doesn't matter, the states produces more waste than Canada so it's okay that I buy all this super packaged crap.' It's more of a comment on personal lifestyle than total waste produced.

I don't know if that makes any sense but I think it's pretty embarassing that we waste more than Americans.

I don't know if that makes any sense but I think it's pretty embarassing that we waste more than Americans.


;)


Canada!!! Good at being just North of America!!


Sorry.....*shamelessfrown*...I had to.

I love most of you anyway. :p

Canada should hold vacations and cruises where wealthy business people pay large amounts to try their hand at Seal Clubbing. Who knows? With enough support and popularity, it could even become a sport!

[In the Future]
And the gold medal in seal clubbing goes to....
Canada!
With a new world record of 354 Seals clubbed in the ten minutes allowed. Their team of lumberjacks and all around thugs has truly been conditioned to perfection.
Congratulations Canada for this monumental win.

meh, who cares about it, the fact is that people will kill seals, just as we shoot rabbits and send cows to the butchers, or the slaughterhouse. Thats life.

There are these sort of things happening, I know many people won't have seen that sort of thing happening before and think 'ahhh, the poor seal/cow/lamb ect.' but what goes into your hamburger. Or lamb chops. yet i don't see people protesting about the slaughter of innocent lambs, or people diving in front of rabbits when where about to shoot them.

Yet seals are cute arn't they, so we've got to save the seals...

I was assured by some of the Canadians here that there were no bloodthirsty rednecks in Canada - that the phenomena was purely American.

I guess they were wrong.

What's wrong with hunting seals?
It's no worse than hunting foxes, moose or caribou.
It's no different from fishing.
Hell, it's no different from picking a lobster out of the tank at the restaurant.

Here in Norway, we hunt seals. If we didn't, trout-populations would get way out of hand and the trout would eat all the krill. Without krill, all the smaller fish would be in danger, as well as our beloved whales. You wouldn't want that, would you?

There's plenty of them, too. There is no reason why we shouldn't hunt them.

Poor seals. :(

OFF TOPIC:
85 to 90% of the air pollution here in Canada comes from the US. Damn those North-East winds! Why couldn't the US sign the Kyoto Protocol? It affects us too.

Keep tellin' yourself that ;) The per-capita amount certainly SHOULD count to you. It says something that our population is substancially bigger, and we're still able to utilize as much, if not more product then Canada.

As far as my 3-1 ratio...that was a mere estimate. Please hold, while I get you more accurate evidence on how Canadians are just essentially wasteful.

:eek:


What are you a idoit? Canada is a VERY big country and very cold. Of course we are going to use more energy than most countries. I mean just to get around the country takes massive energy.

THat BS on a per capitia level by the way, I would not believe we are more wastefull than the states. More than Europe for sure, but not the states.

And even if canada does expend more energy per capita, we have very energy intensive industries, like oil + gas for example...

OFF TOPIC:
85 to 90% of the air pollution here in Canada comes from the US. Damn those North-East winds! Why couldn't the US sign the Kyoto Protocol? It affects us too.
Because they've got a guy who dosn't balive GW exists, who has forgotten to take a potted plant of his head and who balives god alks to him, in charge.

OFF TOPIC:
85 to 90% of the air pollution here in Canada comes from the US. Damn those North-East winds! Why couldn't the US sign the Kyoto Protocol? It affects us too.


But remember ontario is the 3rd most polluting province or state in north america. Time to close that pickering plant...

What about the Aboriginal peoples of the North who do this as part of their culture and livelihood. Haven't we taken enough of their culture/land/livelihood away already? As long as they can do it in such a way that it does not cause extinction, and they try to kill in a humane way, I'm ok with it, because not only is it part of their culture, they are probably relying on the hunt to survive. Not everyone is a person of European descent living in the big cities on what was once their land.

What's wrong with hunting seals?
It's no worse than hunting foxes, moose or caribou.
It's no different from fishing.
Hell, it's no different from picking a lobster out of the tank at the restaurant.

Here in Norway, we hunt seals. If we didn't, trout-populations would get way out of hand and the trout would eat all the krill. Without krill, all the smaller fish would be in danger, as well as our beloved whales. You wouldn't want that, would you?

There's plenty of them, too. There is no reason why we shouldn't hunt them.


i agree with the seal hunt. Without a cull of the population, lack of predators would allow the seal population to explode which would lead to lack of food (cod) for the seals which = crash in seal population.

By the way the lack of food (cod) was mainly caused by over fishing by European nations. So in effect you europeans are clubbing seals by eating all the seal food. Fucking bastards...

:D


Alright. This is what I got you secsay Canuck you.....

(this is in 2002..it's the best I got. We'll keep lookin' tho ;) )

as far as "waste/pollution/garbage" numbers are concerned...for the year 2002...canada(andlink) and america(andlink)

Canada produced 9,357,772,363 units http://www.pollutionwatch.org/rank.do?healthEffect=all&year=2002&provincesByList=RETR_TOTAL_COMBINED&provincesByButton=OK&facilitiesByList=RETR_TOTAL_COMBINED&provincesListFac=all&companiesByList=RETR_TOTAL_COMBINED

and.....Ammmmerrrica!!! : 4,792,492,380
http://www.epa.gov/tri/tridata/tri02/press/Rel-indus-2002.pdf



*psssstttt* that's in Lbs btw........*winkwink*.....


Can I have my cookie please?


These number are bullshit.

Canada makes raw materials. Lots of waste associated with that.

Alberta supplies 50% of the USA natural gas needs and soon it will produce 20% of the USA's oil needs. Making these raw materials is wastefull.

I just dont get the arguement. What you should be checking is how much the average canadian wastes VS the average american, not what heavy industry produces. Retard post.

The barbaric seal massacres in Canada have got to stop. Here is a thought provoking article!! the barbaric massacres of Iraqi's and other muslims have to stop first.


I'm sorry, but if the US government allowed this to happen in the States, people would be so outraged. The international community needs to put pressure on Canada, and not buy it's seal products!

Noop, they don't since even Greenpeace says that there are enough seals and they can not see it as endangered by extinction.
Quite hypocryt to attack Canada for such thing, specially when it comes from a country specialised in the killing of muslims, wich are still people and altough not endangered by extinction, still feel more pain when tortured and feel emotional pain when their loved ones die.

the barbaric massacres of Iraqi's and other muslims have to stop first.


Massacre, in its essence, implies that the attacker is deliberately attempting to slaughter a group of unarmed people indiscriminately.

Historical examples:
the Mongols surround a city, then enter and massacre every living inhabitant.
Tamerlane sacks Aleppo, and his men massacre the inhabitants.

You know, putting people "to the sword" wholesale and without discrimination or mercy.

US troops seem to have made some attempt (by comparison to previous US wars, quite an attempt) to be more discriminating in who they kill.

For instance, there has not been, to this point, an attempt by US troops to round up people, arrange them in lines in front of earthen pits, and shoot them into their graves.

Rwanda was a "massacre". There were "massacres" in Serbia and Kosovo.

Americans are NOT participating in massacres. It is either wishful thinking or idiocy to make the assertion that Americans are doing such a thing.

Shooting armed people who are shooting at you with machineguns and RPGs is not a massacre, no matter how many of them you kill by any means. Even if you end up blowing them up into unrecognizable body parts. It's called combat, not a massacre.

Seals, at least Canadian seals, don't shoot back. Navy Seals shoot first.

i agree with the seal hunt. Without a cull of the population, lack of predators would allow the seal population to explode which would lead to lack of food (cod) for the seals which = crash in seal population.

By the way the lack of food (cod) was mainly caused by over fishing by European nations. So in effect you europeans are clubbing seals by eating all the seal food. Fucking bastards...

I believe there wasn't any exploding seal populations before humans were around.

I believe there wasn't any exploding seal populations before humans were around.

Eaxactly!

The barbaric seal massacres in Canada have got to stop. Here is a thought provoking article!

About the Canadian Seal Hunt! (http://www.hsus.org/marine_mammals/protect_seals/about_the_canadian_seal_hunt/)

Canadian government figures show that in 2002–2003 96.6% of the reported 286,238 seals killed between November 15 and May 15 were 12 days to 12 weeks old. Under the government's latest plan, hunters will be allowed to kill 975,000 harp seals on their home ice east of Newfoundland and Labrador during a three-year period. We don't know how many more seals were killed than were reported, but we do know that in the 2001-2002 hunt, sealers killed at least 30,000 more seals than allowed by law. And how did the Canadian government punish the sealers? By upping the quota.


I'm sorry, but if the US government allowed this to happen in the States, people would be so outraged. The international community needs to put pressure on Canada, and not buy it's seal products!


you are aware that a big part of the reason the canadian government needs to cull the seals is because idiots (such as the u.s. fishermen) fish in our waters and deplete our fish stock. if the seals are not culled, then they will starve and/or the fishing industry on the east coast of canada (which is pretty much all the east has going for it) will be doomed.

yeah, idiots don't think of shit like this when they're fishing in waters they're not permitted in and bitch about getting caught there... then they turn around and bitch about the seal hunt that they had an indirect hand in.

the barbaric massacres of Iraqi's and other muslims have to stop first.



Noop, they don't since even Greenpeace says that there are enough seals and they can not see it as endangered by extinction.
Quite hypocryt to attack Canada for such thing, specially when it comes from a country specialised in the killing of muslims, wich are still people and altough not endangered by extinction, still feel more pain when tortured and feel emotional pain when their loved ones die.


When do we "massacres" Iraqis' and other muslims? Did we set off the Tsunami?

"Noop", greenpeace isn't always correct. Other organizations say it will eventually lead to their endangerment. No one says they are going to go extinct anytime soon. Why is it "hypocryt" to say this about Canada? Many people there accuse us of being basically barbarians, meanwhile the government supports the beating to death of animals, even when they get skinned alive. If they kill more then the quota, just up the quota some more!

Tell me something, if we are so evil, why is there an insurgency in Iraq? Don't you think we would have destroyed them so badly that they couldn't fight? Since we hate those muslims so much, I'm surprised that the middle east isn't a smoking pile of rubble!

you are aware that a big part of the reason the canadian government needs to cull the seals is because idiots (such as the u.s. fishermen) fish in our waters and deplete our fish stock. if the seals are not culled, then they will starve and/or the fishing industry on the east coast of canada (which is pretty much all the east has going for it) will be doomed.

yeah, idiots don't think of shit like this when they're fishing in waters they're not permitted in and bitch about getting caught there... then they turn around and bitch about the seal hunt that they had an indirect hand in.


Are you saying Canadian fishermen don't over-fish?

you are aware that a big part of the reason the canadian government needs to cull the seals is because idiots (such as the u.s. fishermen) fish in our waters and deplete our fish stock. if the seals are not culled, then they will starve and/or the fishing industry on the east coast of canada (which is pretty much all the east has going for it) will be doomed.

yeah, idiots don't think of shit like this when they're fishing in waters they're not permitted in and bitch about getting caught there... then they turn around and bitch about the seal hunt that they had an indirect hand in.

I remember making a similar argument for a cull of whitetail deer in my county. The deer are grossly overpopulated and afflicted with diseases. They get hit by cars with great frequency. They are overpopulated because nothing hunts them (not people, not wolves - nothing). They are fed by stupid suburban homeowners who are then surprised to see more deer the next season.

The same left-leaning people who fed them and made them overpopulate are the same people who tell me that a cull would be evil. And the same people who are now thinking of injecting the deer with birth control drugs.

Last time they tried to round deer up for the injections, several hundred were killed - most died of fright when they were driven into the pen.

So, as a right-wing person, I'm going to sit on the sidelines while these left-wing tree-huggers kill more deer in more miserable ways than I would ever engage int.

Are you saying Canadian fishermen don't over-fish?
they have a set amount that they can fish and are fishing legally. the american, french and occasional spanish people who fish here illegally don't really follow any guidelines when it comes to limits on how much they can fish. i mean, if you're breaking one law already, why not a few more?

Can this be happening, and yet there is no McSeal sandwich?!?

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I'm not Inuit or Inuvialuit, I'm Cree, but here is some information on the topic from a native perspective (I lived in the Northwest Territories for 3 years).

Native hunting of seals accounts for a fairly small percentage of the total hunt. While there are exceptions, the majority of seals hunted are EATEN. Completely used....skin and all. Seal meat is quite good, and a staple in some communities in the north. That being said, due to the way ocean currents travel, pollution dumped into the ocean (Pacific, Atlantic mostly) gets swirled all the way up to the Arctic, and actually becomes concentrated there. That means seals, whales and ocean fish are some of the most polluted in the world, despite the fact that there is no major Northern pollution going on. So families, eating traditional foods, with pollutants concentrated in the fat of these animals, are being slowly poisoned.

Now, the majority of seal hunting going on is non-native. It is commercial, for the fur, not the meat. If you live in the North, by all means wear seal fur..it's warm, it is water-resistant and practical, because it gets unbelievably cold up there. It makes no sense to wear it further south...the weather isn't extreme enough for it. So, it boils down to those who wear it for necessity, and those who wear it for fashion. The fashionable can DO WITHOUT.

Now, the seals being culled do pose a real problem to the inhabitants of the regions the seals now overpopulate. It has been mentioned that lack of natural predators has caused a rise in population, which plays havoc with local fish stocks (which did not happen before, one because of plentiful supplies before we started commericially fishing, and two, because predators kept the numbers down). The pups are clubbed to save the fur. I say, screw the fur, shoot them cleanly. Then again, that would be doubly wasteful, so perhaps if they must be culled, some use should be made of them. In any case, it is a problematic issue, based on heightened publicity of a cute-looking animal, and various human-caused environmental factors. It gets more attention than the hunting of other animals (like the wolverine, who's fur is greatly prized since it does not gather frost from breath, but isn't a cuddly animal by any means) or the Arctic hare (which is cute, but too small to worry about?)

Point being, this hunt is no more intrinsically cruel or senseless than ANY hunt done for the purpose of obtaining a trophy or skin for fashion. Culling animal populations is a practice most countries have. It will continue to be a fact of life while humans continue altering their environment so that excess populations are produced.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/env_was_gen

I hope the link works. The graph shows the USA as the fourth highest country in the world for kilograms of waste per person per year, weighing in at 460.

Canada creates about 330 kg of waste per person per year.

I don't know how reliable a source it is.

I remember making a similar argument for a cull of whitetail deer in my county. The deer are grossly overpopulated and afflicted with diseases. They get hit by cars with great frequency. They are overpopulated because nothing hunts them (not people, not wolves - nothing). They are fed by stupid suburban homeowners who are then surprised to see more deer the next season.

The same left-leaning people who fed them and made them overpopulate are the same people who tell me that a cull would be evil. And the same people who are now thinking of injecting the deer with birth control drugs.

Last time they tried to round deer up for the injections, several hundred were killed - most died of fright when they were driven into the pen.

So, as a right-wing person, I'm going to sit on the sidelines while these left-wing tree-huggers kill more deer in more miserable ways than I would ever engage int.
hey, i'm quite left wing myself and i don't even eat meat. but it is necessary and clubbing the seals as inhumane as that sounds is supposed to be one of the more humane ways to kill them (they don't beat them in the head with a club, they kinda conk them out in one blow...) and i think a quick death is more humane than starving to death, personally.

i'm aware that it's not fair to the seals that there isn't enough food for them or predators to keep their population in check. but hey, if we didn't reduce their numbers then nature would..

I'm pretty sure that a .308 Winchester round through the head would be far more painless than a club, and far less likely to fail to work.

I'm pretty sure that a .308 Winchester round through the head would be far more painless than a club, and far less likely to fail to work.

Bullets cost money, and are not kosher.

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I'm pretty sure that a .308 Winchester round through the head would be far more painless than a club, and far less likely to fail to work.
Frankly, if the hunter does it right, either method should be painless. If you are an amateur, you can end up clubbing the seal over and over (horrible) or just zinging it with a rifle (also horrible). As much as I don't like the idea of the cull, I understand some of the reasons behind it...I wish the meat could at least be used, but if the fur is all that can be salvaged I wish they would at least donate it to people in Northern communities for personal use...

Bullets cost money, and are not kosher.

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I'm thinking that they club because a rifle round would mess up the pelt.

I believe there wasn't any exploding seal populations before humans were around.


Super! but now we have humans around so deal with the problem. :rolleyes:

Are you saying Canadian fishermen don't over-fish?


Neither US or canadian do as they are bound by a new Cod fishing limits. European nations are not and were the ones who caused the problems in the first place as they had the majority of the factory fishing boats.

Neither US or canadian do as they are bound by a new Cod fishing limits. European nations are not and were the ones who caused the problems in the first place as they had the majority of the factory fishing boats.
No, they are not SUPPOSED to overfish...do you really think we adhere to all the rules when the fines are laughable at best?

Point: we all suck.

Super! but now we have humans around so deal with the problem. :rolleyes:

Yes. Perhaps over 10 billion people by 2020. Perhaps we need to cull the human population? Much more dangerous then some deer or seals.

Yes. Perhaps over 10 billion people by 2020. Perhaps we need to cull the human population? Much more dangerous then some deer or seals.
And apparently their skins make good lamp coverings....

Sick nazis.

No, they are not SUPPOSED to overfish...do you really think we adhere to all the rules when the fines are laughable at best?

Point: we all suck.


Now they can inpound your boat for a month supposedly.

European countries have NO fines or anything, its a big problem. We should sink a few spanish fishing boats lol

When do we "massacres" Iraqis' and other muslims? Did we set off the Tsunami?



1) Buy a independent non FOX source, or come out the your prehistoric cave.BTW I respect neanderthalers, just let me know were I can find you with the crew of National Geographic.
2) What the fuck are you talking about kiddo?

Johnny Wadd - seal-hunting and clubbing are traditions of the Inuit. I'm not about to come down to the US and tell you guys to stop eating so many hamburgers. If I did, 200 million+ people will be in an outrage over my comments. You just don't see the 50,000 or so Inuit that are angered by American comments over their traditions. It's a double standard.

OH GOD, THINK OF THE HAMBURGERS!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

You're so right about the typical double standard of J. W.

Actually, seal is quite tasty. :p

And nothing brings a family together like a evening of seal clubbing.

You know the little fucks had it coming.

Actually, seal is quite tasty. :p

And nothing brings a family together like a evening of seal clubbing.

You know the little fucks had it coming.

Lol! :D

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I dont have a moral qualm with shooting people who club seals. I wouldnt bat an eye. In fact, I'd do it if I genuinely thought I wouldnt be caught.

I dont have a moral qualm with shooting people who club seals. I wouldnt bat an eye. In fact, I'd do it if I genuinely thought I wouldnt be caught.
Animal rights are more important than human rights? WOW!!

I dont have a moral qualm with shooting people who club seals. I wouldnt bat an eye. In fact, I'd do it if I genuinely thought I wouldnt be caught.
I don't have a moral qualm with shooting genuinely crazy enviro-fascists who are threatening hunters. I wouldn't bat an eye. Even if I thought I would be caught. Defense of another (human, mind) is justifiable homicide.

Jayastan, you're obviously incapable of debate. It takes a *real* thinker to toss insults...you take the cake...lmao.

Anyway, since you've opened the door...

What are you a idiot?

Stop acting like a moron. If you want to debate, not only should you stick to your original statements/beliefs/ideals...but you should refrain from slinging insults. ESPECIALLY when your grammar makes you out to be a douche. You make yourself sound as though you're in need of a PA to wipe the drool from your lip.


Canada is a VERY big country and very cold. Of course we are going to use more energy than most countries. I mean just to get around the country takes massive energy.....*blaghblaghblaghblaghcrap*.

Okay so...well now you know you were wrong in spewing your false facts on *your* country...I can understand why you'd be defensive. So I guess perhaps I'm having a hard time following your unrelated responses....but let me try.

So...we'll pretend you already KNEW that *your* country was bigger :rolleyes: , but now the fact that you expend more energy (even though that has NOTHING to do with the original arguement), justifies the ridiculous amount of waste your country produces. Yeah. ok. I can see how that would make sense.... :confused:


These number are bullshit.

Apparently you have trouble reading too. I personally stated that I was still looking into it. Not to mention....*looks around in anticipation* but where's YOUR proof? Until you give me a reason to think you aren't just lazy...and (yet again) are unable to back up your arguments...then IMO...you should stand down off your soap box.

Canada makes raw materials. Lots of waste associated with that.

Lmao...one doesn't "make" raw materials... And either way. That wasn't the argument. (the original statement was made by Johnny Wadd on the first page. The statement WAS: " Canada is also the most wasteful nation! ")Canada creates more waste as a nation then we do. Get over it.

Alberta supplies 50% of the USA natural gas needs and soon it will produce 20% of the USA's oil needs. Making these raw materials is wastefull.

irrelevant. admit you're argument was shakey from the get go....moving on.

Retard post.


HAHAHAHAH...yeah. haha. lmao. you're one to talk whiz kid.....




The graph shows the USA as the fourth highest country in the world for kilograms of waste per person per year, weighing in at 460.

Canada creates about 330 kg of waste per person per year.

I don't know how reliable a source it is.

Thanks!! hey jayastan...look! Valenzulu actually did some LEGwork!!!!

So per person american's waste more.....but again. Those aren't the numbers that are completely relevant.

What *I* am trying to find is (I'll make it bold. Just so Jayastan doesn't get confuzzled) *HOW MUCH WASTE (OVERALL) IS PRODUCED BY CANADA AND THE US A YEAR? *


So Jayastan. If you're only going to lay down on the ground, cry like a baby, and bang your fists on the ground while flailing your legs...yelling out "Not Fair!! Not Fair!!!!!!!"....well. Don't respond. I hate children.