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Right, now I would like lots of people to explain to one very stupid person how wrong he is. Redy Yellow Flames thinks that if you stand somewhere and watch everyone walking in the same direction, it proves that everyone thinks in the same way. Please help me here, this person is very obstinate and needs a large number of people to patiently explain this to him.

Come again?

well, as I said in the last thread; even if it's true that because they were all wqlaking that way means that they all think the same, Wally's argument was "EVERYBODY thinks the same", so his argument wouldn't work because you DO get skivers

Nice work on the patrionism, Pyromanstahn

This person was having an argument with me, saying that everyone thinks the same. Later that day, as we were standing somewhere, he pointed out that most people around us were walking in the same direction, which proved his point. I have been trying very hard since then to show him the error of his logic.

I really don't think it matters whther it's conformist or not.

If there's a bomb in the theatre, and everyone is running for the exits, it's a pretty good example of the benefits of conformity. ;)

People misinterpret nonconformity. Nonconformity is not about avoiding the mainstream. It's about marching to your own drummer regardless of the mainstream's approval.

"Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music." -George Carlin.

*note: we were in a school; people were going to their LESSONS

I really don't think it matters whther it's conformist or not.

If there's a bomb in the theatre, and everyone is running for the exits, it's a pretty good example of the benefits of conformity. ;)

People misinterpret nonconformity. Nonconformity is not about avoiding the mainstream. It's about marching to your own drummer regardless of the mainstream's approval.

"Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music." -George Carlin.

that bomb scenario isn't conformity, it's instinct

everybody could be walking in the same direction for different reasons. like one person's going somewhere, and another is going somewhere near there, etc

that bomb scenario isn't conformity, it's instinct

Not necessarily. Nonconformity would be to grab the bomb and run the OTHER way. :D

Not necessarily. Nonconformity would be to grab the bomb and run the OTHER way. :D

I didn't mention non-conformity, I merely said the fact everybody would want to avoid certain death isn't an act of conforming, is it? Just because they are all doing it, they're not first saying 'shall we run like hell, or get blown up?'

[QUOTE=Cressland]that bomb scenario isn't conformity, it's instinct[/QUO

That's true, the way to tell if an action is conformist or not is to see if the same action would be taken if all the other people were not there, since, by definition, you cannot be conformist when you are alone. As anyone would run out of a building if there was a bomb in it regardless of whether they were alone or in a crowd, that cannot be a conformist action.

[QUOTE=Cressland]that bomb scenario isn't conformity, it's instinct[/QUO

That's true, the way to tell if an action is conformist or not is to see if the same action would be taken if all the other people were not there, since, by definition, you cannot be conformist when you are alone. As anyone would run out of a building if there was a bomb in it regardless of whether they were alone or in a crowd, that cannot be a conformist action.

you could be conformist when you're alone in an indirect way, it might not be taking action at the tiem as everyone else, but it certainly is still conformist to listen to some music everybody likes purely because it's popular, regardless of your own opinion of it, for example

Conformity on a grand social scale is mythology.
Counterculture is mythology.

If you guys are in a fucking mall discussing conformity, you're rebel consumers, at best.
As all "alternative" "subcultures" are.

*How can you afford your rock n' roll lifestyle*

I didn't mention non-conformity, I merely said the fact everybody would want to avoid certain death isn't an act of conforming, is it? Just because they are all doing it, they're not first saying 'shall we run like hell, or get blown up?'

The point is that whether someone runs because everyone else is, or runs regardless of what everyone else does is really irrelevant if everyone is running.

So one can't say that everyone moving in the same direction is conformity or not.

On the other hand, if one goes to class because it's expected of him or if one goes to class because it is advantageous to him is not relevant if everyone is going to class.

Obviously, you can be non-conformist and still be conforming with the non-conformers..get me? ;)

[QUOTE=Pyromanstahn]

you could be conformist when you're alone in an indirect way, it might not be taking action at the tiem as everyone else, but it certainly is still conformist to listen to some music everybody likes purely because it's popular, regardless of your own opinion of it

No, if you listen to music on you're own then the reason you listen to it is that you're familiar with it and that means you like it more. You may start to listen to a particular style of music to be conformist, but if later you listen to it when alone that is a totally independant desicion on your part.

The point is that whether someone runs because everyone else is, or runs regardless of what everyone else does is really irrelevant if everyone is running.

So one can't say that everyone moving in the same direction is conformity or not.

On the other hand, if one goes to class because it's expected of him or if one goes to class because it is advantageous to him is not relevant if everyone is going to class.

yes yes, I understabd and agree with the concept, all I'm saying is that wasn't a great example, as it's instinct, thus more primal, yadda yadda

Obviously, you can be non-conformist and still be conforming with the non-conformers..get me? ;)

I consider myself a nonconformist. That doesn't mean I'm unable or unwilling to accept the benefits of conformity. It just means that I don't conform to conform.

[QUOTE=Cressland]

No, if you listen to music on you're own then the reason you listen to it is that you're familiar with it and that means you like it more.

well, not nessecarily, it could be for a number of reasons, there are some sad people out there you know......like Redy Yellow Flames ha ha

I consider myself a nonconformist. That doesn't mean I'm unable or unwilling to accept the benefits of conformity. It just means that I don't conform to conform.

note the 'can' in my message, I consider myself a non-conformist too, that's not what I was saying

I consider myself a nonconformist. That doesn't mean I'm unable or unwilling to accept the benefits of conformity. It just means that I don't conform to conform.

But maybe you are conforming not to conform to conform?

I agree with what everyone else has said.

its not conformist its the fuckin schools placement of lesson, twat. i would understand if it was on say oxford street. unless of course i did this :mp5:

So is everyone agreed that Redy Yellow Flames is a complete and total idiot with no understanding of logic or the capabilities to carry out national thought?

So is everyone agreed that Redy Yellow Flames is a complete and total idiot with no understanding of logic or the capabilities to carry out national thought?
He is a crumpet what do u expect, btw delete the double post

So is everyone agreed that Redy Yellow Flames is a complete and total idiot with no understanding of logic or the capabilities to carry out national thought?

"So is everyone agreed" we are not conformists?

But maybe you are conforming not to conform to conform? J/K.

Only if it'll make me like everyone else. :)

Right, now I would like lots of people to explain...Please help me here, this person is very obstinate and needs a large number of people to patiently explain this to him.

Yes, we can only convince this person we are not conformists if we all band together to explain it to him. We must remain unified in our conviction that we are not conformists.

Yes, we can only convince this person we are not conformists if we all band together to explain it to him. We must remain unified in our conviction that we are not conformists.

Lol! Good point!

sorry i gota copy Ogiek post there good

it's almost ironic


oh sorry Cressland u don't like people miss using the word ironic go and meditate about it in a field or qoute the meaning of it from one of your dictionarys you sleep with
oh and sorry Pyromanstahn i used the letter 'u' instead of the word 'you' oh well i hope your not going to stalk me
'WATCH OUT PYROMANSTAHN THERES A SET OF KEYS BEHIND YOU!!!!'

i guess we all have our little bits of idiocy that can be picked up on

(these are all things that have admited too and NOT made up)

There's a difference between coincedence and conformity. A large group of people traveling in the same direction subconsciously is not the same as conformity. To be a conformist you must make the decision to be like those around you, the placement of a classroom is an accident, not intentional. :)

sorry i gota copy Ogiek post there good

it's almost ironic


oh sorry Cressland u don't like people miss using the word ironic go and meditate about it in a field or qoute the meaning of it from one of your dictionarys you sleep with
oh and sorry Pyromanstahn i used the letter 'u' instead of the word 'you' oh well i hope your not going to stalk me
'WATCH OUT PYROMANSTAHN THERES A SET OF KEYS BEHIND YOU!!!!'

i guess we all have our little bits of idiocy that can be picked up on

(these are all things that have admited too and NOT made up)

That's not ironic. Ironic is that you know how to use exclaimation points and not periods. :D

sorry i gota copy Ogiek post there good

it's almost ironic


oh sorry Cressland u don't like people miss using the word ironic go and meditate about it in a field or qoute the meaning of it from one of your dictionarys you sleep with
oh and sorry Pyromanstahn i used the letter 'u' instead of the word 'you' oh well i hope your not going to stalk me
'WATCH OUT PYROMANSTAHN THERES A SET OF KEYS BEHIND YOU!!!!'

i guess we all have our little bits of idiocy that can be picked up on

(these are all things that have admited too and NOT made up)

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well now i'm stuck with a choice stay using these forums and have people ripping the hell out of me..

hmm what a choice happy lloyd you seemed to have got you 'plan' (he does this every time not realising that i just don't care) seems to have worked but oh well.. people only read one point of view and follow it like sheep (believe it or not) with out reading anouther. shame really



by the wa thats not irony either and i was refering to the fact the chris hates the miss use of the word irony to a point where he gets angry, which i wasn't going to point out but seems as your going to try and turn it against me i might as well say it

well now i'm stuck with a choice stay using these forums and have people ripping the hell out of me..

hmm what a choice happy lloyd you seemed to have got you 'plan' (he does this every time not realising that i just don't care) seems to have worked but oh well.. people only read one point of view and follow it like sheep (believe it or not) with out reading anouther. shame really



by the wa thats not irony either and i was refering to the fact the chris hates the miss use of the word irony to a point where he gets angry

you know all about anger

well now i'm stuck with a choice stay using these forums and have people ripping the hell out of me..

hmm what a choice happy lloyd you seemed to have got you 'plan' (he does this every time not realising that i just don't care) seems to have worked but oh well.. people only read one point of view and follow it like sheep (believe it or not) with out reading anouther. shame really



by the wa thats not irony either and i was refering to the fact the chris hates the miss use of the word irony to a point where he gets angry, which i wasn't going to point out but seems as your going to try and turn it against me i might as well say it

'just don't care'.................really?

shutup then!

do i? shame you can't get the way you saythings across in words with out reffering to your self in third person and i only know two people who would be smug enough to do that

well now i'm stuck with a choice stay using these forums and have people ripping the hell out of me..

hmm what a choice happy lloyd you seemed to have got you 'plan' (he does this every time not realising that i just don't care) seems to have worked but oh well.. people only read one point of view and follow it like sheep (believe it or not) with out reading anouther. shame really



by the wa thats not irony either and i was refering to the fact the chris hates the miss use of the word irony to a point where he gets angry, which i wasn't going to point out but seems as your going to try and turn it against me i might as well say it
Why are you whining? You're only on your 20th post or so, noone can hate you that much.

Why give a shit about what people think of you on a forum for political debate?

ha ha

i've justy realised what it must sound like to you

any way i'm not taking any more of this crap c'ya at school

excuse me, quote where I spoke in third person....

sorry i gota copy Ogiek post there good

it's almost ironic


oh sorry Cressland u don't like people miss using the word ironic go and meditate about it in a field or qoute the meaning of it from one of your dictionarys you sleep with
oh and sorry Pyromanstahn i used the letter 'u' instead of the word 'you' oh well i hope your not going to stalk me
'WATCH OUT PYROMANSTAHN THERES A SET OF KEYS BEHIND YOU!!!!'

i guess we all have our little bits of idiocy that can be picked up on

(these are all things that have admited too and NOT made up)

"The use of words expressing something other than the literal intention. Now that is irony."-Bender, Futurama.

Also, learn to spell.