NationStates Jolt Archive

...Our redwood forests? A guy came to my house looking for money to help the environment, he showed my stuff about how Bush wants to actually cut down some of the nations famous redwood trees, and not even replant them, yeah, can you believe this shit? Sorry, I dont have a source, but its out there, the man is so crazy, he has lost all hope, I dont know, that alcohol/crack mix destroyed his brain.

What can YOU do? Help the cause! Chain yourself to a tree, donate money to environmentalists, write very nasty letters to him! He is planning on doing this without the permission of the other branches of the govt.

You dont have to be a Democrat or Kerry supporter to be angry at Bush for this! Think, even if you love him, this is just wrong, I know you know deep inside, even if you want to spite us Democrats that it is just dead wrong, these are our trees! And their famous!

I don't want anyone *else* to cut down the Redwood forests. Now If I can get out there with a logging company and sell them myself, now we're talking.

...Our redwood forests? A guy came to my house looking for money to help the environment, he showed my stuff about how Bush wants to actually cut down some of the nations famous redwood trees, and not even replant them, yeah, can you believe this shit? Sorry, I dont have a source, but its out there, the man is so crazy, he has lost all hope, I dont know, that alcohol/crack mix destroyed his brain.

What can YOU do? Help the cause! Chain yourself to a tree, donate money to environmentalists, write very nasty letters to him! He is planning on doing this without the permission of the other branches of the govt.

You dont have to be a Democrat or Kerry supporter to be angry at Bush for this! Think, even if you love him, this is just wrong, I know you know deep inside, even if you want to spite us Democrats that it is just dead wrong, these are our trees! And their famous!

OK, so some guy came to your house soliciting money so that he can stop Bush from having the redwood forest cut down? And this makes Bush an alcoholic and/or crack addict? Did it ever occur to you that our redwoods are all in a protected national park and cannot be cut down? And this guy wanted MONEY, right? OK...real slow...think about it.

BTW, the redwoods are a national treasure that are loved and protected by Democrats AND Republicans...Dems don't have a monopoly on them.

Well, Bush does tend to view forests as big giant fire hazards...

i dont think he wants to cut down THE redwoods

just SOME redwoods

"they paved paradise and put up a parking lot"

i dont think he wants to cut down THE redwoods

just SOME redwoods

"they paved paradise and put up a parking lot"

I'd hardly call the Redwood forests of California paradise...

so there is the sequoia national park... offlimits to logging

and there is the giant sequoia national monument (started by president clinton) that the current president has decided should allow logging, reversing the policy of the past 2 presidents, clinton and bush1.

so there is the sequoia national park... offlimits to logging

and there is the giant sequoia national monument (started by president clinton) that the current president has decided should allow logging, reversing the policy of the past 2 presidents, clinton and bush1.

So I might be able to pick up some good red wood furniture? cool. :p

I love the Bush plan for stopping forest fires. Cut down the trees.
I think the only place he wants trees is on his ranch in Crawford.
His home there is actually very enviromentally friendly. He just has too many friends in the oil/timber/mining industry.

Those trees are dangerous! Wood of Mass Destruction harms the US :p

I don't see why people don't see how keeping a good number of trees up is actaully in the timber companies' best interest, so as to make the industry sustainable. It doesn't make any sense for them to cut down all of the trees.

...Our redwood forests? A guy came to my house looking for money to help the environment, he showed my stuff about how Bush wants to actually cut down some of the nations famous redwood trees, and not even replant them, yeah, can you believe this shit? Sorry, I dont have a source, but its out there, the man is so crazy, he has lost all hope, I dont know, that alcohol/crack mix destroyed his brain.

What can YOU do? Help the cause! Chain yourself to a tree, donate money to environmentalists, write very nasty letters to him! He is planning on doing this without the permission of the other branches of the govt.

You dont have to be a Democrat or Kerry supporter to be angry at Bush for this! Think, even if you love him, this is just wrong, I know you know deep inside, even if you want to spite us Democrats that it is just dead wrong, these are our trees! And their famous!

After he finishes cutting down all the trees by himself he will drown 5,000 kittens and puppies just to prove how mean he really is. Really, are you that gullible to believe some dirty hippie that came to your house and wanted money to stop the president of the united states from cutting down the redwood forest. I have mormons and jehovas witnesses come to my house all the time but that doesnt mean I believe the crock of shit they're trying to sell me on. In the future try to think for yourself instead of creaming your panties every time someone says something bad about bush.

some dirty hippie that came to your house and wanted money to stop the president of the united states from cutting down the redwood forest.

What was that saying about assumptions?

What was that saying about assumptions?

Makes an ass out of you and me.

I don't see why people don't see how keeping a good number of trees up is actaully in the timber companies' best interest, so as to make the industry sustainable. It doesn't make any sense for them to cut down all of the trees.

What does the future matter? All they care about is profit now.

And no one mentions that...
#1 trees are a renewable reasource, unlike stupidity which is being consumed at a dangerous rate in this thread
#2 most of the trees that are consumed are grown on tree farms

I don't see why people don't see how keeping a good number of trees up is actaully in the timber companies' best interest, so as to make the industry sustainable. It doesn't make any sense for them to cut down all of the trees.

You would think.

Look into the history of Pacific Lumber. It was actually a green minded lumber company if you can accept that. They had a system of ratation that kept them with cutting large trees. They only took certain sizes and moved on. By the time they returned little ones were the desired size. The replants had grown to a young size. They also allowed for trees to simply die.

Well along came the junk bond era and one junk bond guy bought the company and started clear cutting.

It's about profit now!

You have to wonder when in three industries I have heard a CEO make a statement "It's not my problem, it's my successors problem." when confronted with a long term issue.

And no one mentions that...
#1 trees are a renewable reasource, unlike stupidity which is being consumed at a dangerous rate in this thread
#2 most of the trees that are consumed are grown on tree farms

Trees are renewable if you allow it. Clear cutting is not outlawed. Trees are renewable if the ecosystem is allowed to have trees that die and deterorate.

If #2 was true then why does the shrub have plans to open up many of the national parks for "fire-prevention" cutting.

Pacific Lumber had treefarms that sustained them for over 100 years. They are always trying to get the goverment to give them more land.

I actually saw George W. Bush personally cutting down a redwood tree. Seriously.

Trees are renewable if you allow it. Clear cutting is not outlawed. Trees are renewable if the ecosystem is allowed to have trees that die and deterorate.

If #2 was true then why does the shrub have plans to open up many of the national parks for "fire-prevention" cutting.

Pacific Lumber had treefarms that sustained them for over 100 years. They are always trying to get the goverment to give them more land.

First, I dont think timber companies are going out and destroying baby trees before they can get big enough to be harvested. As for "the shrub" comment, hes evil, i said it in my previous post. He has plans to kill alot of puppies and kick over kids sandcastles at the beach.

First, I dont think timber companies are going out and destroying baby trees before they can get big enough to be harvested. As for "the shrub" comment, hes evil, i said it in my previous post. He has plans to kill alot of puppies and kick over kids sandcastles at the beach.

Lumber companies out here are routinely fined for cutting trees under the legal size. Problem is there aren't enough guys to police them. If you think they only cut big trees you are deluding yourself. Though I have to say not all companies.

I don't know about the shrub killing puppies or kicking sand castles but I would argue he is pro-environment as long as it doesn't get in the way of business interests.

Lumber companies out here are routinely fined for cutting trees under the legal size. Problem is there aren't enough guys to police them. If you think they only cut big trees you are deluding yourself. Though I have to say not all companies.

I don't know about the shrub killing puppies or kicking sand castles but I would argue he is pro-environment as long as it doesn't get in the way of business interests.
Question: Why would lumber companies strive to cut down small trees? Now, I wont admit that Im an expert on the timber industry in the U.S. but I think it would be bad business sense to expend labour to cut down trees that wont yield much lumber.

And no one mentions that...
#1 trees are a renewable reasource, unlike stupidity which is being consumed at a dangerous rate in this thread
#2 most of the trees that are consumed are grown on tree farms

#1 They don't spring up overnight. It takes time to get big enough to harvest.
#2 Then why don't they stick to those instead of old growth forests. Oops. See #1
#3 Tree plantations only contain certain types of trees. Usually one type per area of desired fast growing tree. Cuts down on diversity.
#4 Only a few animals can survive in a plantation full of neatly lined up, single species "forest."

...Our redwood forests? A guy came to my house looking for money to help the environment, he showed my stuff about how Bush wants to actually cut down some of the nations famous redwood trees, and not even replant them, yeah, can you believe this shit? Sorry, I dont have a source, but its out there, the man is so crazy, he has lost all hope, I dont know, that alcohol/crack mix destroyed his brain.

What can YOU do? Help the cause! Chain yourself to a tree, donate money to environmentalists, write very nasty letters to him! He is planning on doing this without the permission of the other branches of the govt.

You dont have to be a Democrat or Kerry supporter to be angry at Bush for this! Think, even if you love him, this is just wrong, I know you know deep inside, even if you want to spite us Democrats that it is just dead wrong, these are our trees! And their famous!

I have a hard time beliving this tree thing. Even though it is bush.

If #2 was true then why does the shrub have plans to open up many of the national parks for "fire-prevention" cutting.


Hm.

Option A: Cut down some trees; reduce the chance of fire; make some money.
Option B: Don't cut down trees; have a fire hazard; spend billions putting out the fires.

YOU'RE RIGHT! BUSH IS EVIL!

I bet he's the reason my aunt has gout!

#1 They don't spring up overnight. It takes time to get big enough to harvest.
#2 Then why don't they stick to those instead of old growth forests. Oops. See #1
#3 Tree plantations only contain certain types of trees. Usually one type per area of desired fast growing tree. Cuts down on diversity.
#4 Only a few animals can survive in a plantation full of neatly lined up, single species "forest."
When did animals enter into this? I thought we were talking about trees.

When did animals enter into this? I thought we were talking about trees.

Ergh! One of the reasons to save a forest is the wildlife in it. If you just want trees without critters, stay on the tree farm.
Enviromentalists tend to like the whole picture.

Question: Why would lumber companies strive to cut down small trees? Now, I wont admit that Im an expert on the timber industry in the U.S. but I think it would be bad business sense to expend labour to cut down trees that wont yield much lumber.

Many of them. Pacific lumber is one example. It's not always a case of "we can make money of them" it's more of we are loosing money by working a large tree out of a grove. If takes time and money to manouver them out. It costs money to helicopter them out. You save money when you cut a path and get what you need. Small trees get labeled as junk trees.

Also, the particle board and such glued types don't need an old tree......

One thing I should say. There are things we can say about American Business practices. But we are light years away from other countries. I talk to a Ranger in Malaysia from time to time. He would tell you that Japanese Businessmen will do things that will make the most corrupt American Businessmen drop their jaws in shock. He once told me of a clearcut that was called an ecological study in Erosian. :eek:

It's not always a case of "we can make money of them" it's more of we are : Statement of the century. Businesses that dont turn a profit go bankrupt and therefore, no more business. So you're saying that lumber companies will cut down baby trees for the hell of it?

Statement of the century. Businesses that dont turn a profit go bankrupt and therefore, no more business. So you're saying that lumber companies will cut down baby trees for the hell of it?

Now now. Don't selectivly edit. The emphasis was that they loose money(translation: Not make as much profit) by only cutting the large tree and the costs with getting it out with out damaging other younger trees.

The baby tree if you mean a new seedling, got it the way. Young trees get labeld as junk trees and are harvested for other purposes(ie the particle board and glued boards).

Yes. It does happen. It's not flagerent as they would be sued. It happens with "mistakes" As with one article a ranger talked about trees marked for cut. They were noticably under the size. He said it happens all the time and they get sorry but then they find it again.

Now now. Don't selectivly edit.

Really? You selectively edited me earlier. Sounds like the pots calling the kettle black.

Really? You selectively edited me earlier. Sounds like the pots calling the kettle black.

What? You mean the hippy comment. Ok What in the guys post said he was a hippy?

It's still differnt the picking a part of a comment to dismiss the whole.

What? You mean the hippy comment. Ok What in the guys post said he was a hippy?

It's still differnt the picking a part of a comment to dismiss the whole.

So its different when you do it?

So its different when you do it?

Ok. Again where in the original post suggest the person was a hippy? How does my question of your label change the intent of your post? All it said is that you assumed he was a hippy. Which in itself is outdated. There aren't too many hippies left. But that is beside the point.

Ok. Again where in the original post suggest the person was a hippy? How does my question of your label change the intent of your post? All it said is that you assumed he was a hippy. Which in itself is outdated. There aren't too many hippies left. But that is beside the point.
So you're saying its ok for you to selectivly edit me.

So you're saying its ok for you to selectivly edit me.

Ahh ok.

Well it's very late for me. I am a little too tired for semantic debating.

You have a good morning/whatever......

Ahh ok.

Well it's very late for me. I am a little too tired for semantic debating.

You have a good morning/whatever......

Ok.

If you don't want your trees cut down find out where they are going to start cutting and spike the trees.
This technique is used by protesters trying to stop the cutting of ancient rain forests and depending on the turn out could land you in jail so if you are going to do it don't advertise your involvement.
You will need a few boxes of 6 to 8 inch spikes to put into the trees a few inches apart in no particular pattern around the tree half a dozen will do.
When they take the logs to the saw mill and try to cut them the blades will get ripped to shit by the spikes. ;)