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So there's this girl in my chorus class. I'm white, she's black, and she doesn't like me. I dont' necessarily care for her either. I think she's loud and obnoxious and expects everyone not of her color to bend over backwords for her, and that PISSES me off.
Anyway, our problems started the day we were rehersing for our chorus concert. She hits me while she's getting up on the riser behind me and I said, "Excuse you!". She starts going off being all loud saying shit like. "I'm going to cut that white bitch up!" blah blah blah. That night, after the concert, we were the last people waiting for rides. She comes up to me and spits right next to me, coming like, within an inch of spitting in my face. One of her friends made a comment about it, and before I knew it I was yelling at her, calling her a bitch, and she continued the, "I'm going to cut that white bitch up" shit, even though she never fucking made the move.
Things stayed fairly normal until yesterday, when I was walking down the hallway and she rammed into me, intentionally, in the hallway. She doesn't want to fight, obviously, otherwise she would have pulled something already. I don't know what to do. I'm a good kid and don't want a fight on my record, but my GOD I want to kick the shit out of her because I feel so disrespected.
Advice, anyone?

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Yeah, I hate the type like that

I fail to see the racism. She just doesn't like you and is being a jerk.

Where's my cross when i need one.....
well anyways start carrying a metal rod with you and if she or another person attacks you kick her ass and she'll leave you alone.

I fail to see the racism. She just doesn't like you and is being a jerk.
I don't know why the black girl has to say she wants to cut the "white bitch" up.

Where's my cross when i need one.....
well anyways start carrying a metal rod with you and if she or another person attacks you kick her ass and she'll leave you alone.

You have to be careful: she might be one of thoes looser "choice racism" blacks who will scream "hate crime" if you touch them but thinks nothing of harming people of other races.

I think you have to take this to a teacher or year level co-ordinator.

She has made a very serious threat to your well being, someone of authority needs to be made aware.

Leaving it to fester will only make the problem worse.

I don't know why the black girl has to say she wants to cut the "white bitch" up.

Cause she thinks that the person she wants to cut up is a "white bitch"? Just like she would if she were a "skinny bitch" or "ugly bitch" or "skanky bitch" or....

just keep standing up to her. shes trying to bully you. you cant appease a bully, they take it as weakness and up the threats. im not saying hit her, that can get you expelled. just dont take any crap from her.

I think you have to take this to a teacher or year level co-ordinator.

She has made a very serious threat to your well being, someone of authority needs to be made aware.

Leaving it to fester will only make the problem worse.

I do agree with that. Threatening people with bodily harm is a crime (well at least it is here).

I think you have to take this to a teacher or year level co-ordinator.

She has made a very serious threat to your well being, someone of authority needs to be made aware.

Leaving it to fester will only make the problem worse.
Yeah, it might help if you can get someone else involved.
I don't know quite who you'd notify, but I know at my school that the guidance office were the ones that were in control. They were the ones that determined when kids got kicked out of classes or switched, they did all the important stuff, and they called in the police when they got fed up with people.

Cause she thinks that the person she wants to cut up is a "white bitch"? Just like she would if she were a "skinny bitch" or "ugly bitch" or "skanky bitch" or....
I know a few of these loud annoying black people, "white bitch" carries about the same racist and insulting connotation as maybe "blackie." Anyone who said blackie would be crucified.

I know a few of these loud annoying black people, "white bitch" carries about the same racist and insulting connotation as maybe "blackie." Anyone who said blackie would be crucified.

Blackie? That just sounds silly. "Loud annoying black people" on the other hand... :rolleyes:

"Black bitch", "white bitch", whatever.

Blackie? That just sounds silly.

"Black bitch", "white bitch", whatever.
You're from Sweden so things might be different there but black people here in the US are rather uptight about these things.

Sounds like an ignorant bitch.I'm sure her mother or father would like to know that she's running around telling other teenaged girls she'll cut them up.

Not in the age of Columbine.

Go talk to an authority. Call the police if she says it again. School officials may handle the issue with reverse racism.

Blackie? That just sounds silly. "Loud annoying black people" on the other hand... :rolleyes:

"Black bitch", "white bitch", whatever.

They're all equally racist. Notify anyone in administration ASAP. It'll make your life easier in the long run.

I think it is racism because she is specifically pointing out he color of her skin while making the threat. If you say fat bitch or somethign of that nature you are still pointing out something you find to be a negative trait of that other person.

Don't resort to her level and let her know that if she continues with threats that you will have to make her actions known to a higher authority. that or just make her actions known right away and tell her later that if she continues she could get in trouble. Tell her that she should try to make friends in stead of enemies. maybe you shoudl ask her what you have done to gain such hostility from her and why she feels the need to make racist comments.

I dunno just throwing suggesitons out.

So there's this girl in my chorus class. I'm white, she's black, and she doesn't like me. I dont' necessarily care for her either. I think she's loud and obnoxious and expects everyone not of her color to bend over backwords for her, and that PISSES me off.
Anyway, our problems started the day we were rehersing for our chorus concert. She hits me while she's getting up on the riser behind me and I said, "Excuse you!". She starts going off being all loud saying shit like. "I'm going to cut that white bitch up!" blah blah blah. That night, after the concert, we were the last people waiting for rides. She comes up to me and spits right next to me, coming like, within an inch of spitting in my face. One of her friends made a comment about it, and before I knew it I was yelling at her, calling her a bitch, and she continued the, "I'm going to cut that white bitch up" shit, even though she never fucking made the move.
Things stayed fairly normal until yesterday, when I was walking down the hallway and she rammed into me, intentionally, in the hallway. She doesn't want to fight, obviously, otherwise she would have pulled something already. I don't know what to do. I'm a good kid and don't want a fight on my record, but my GOD I want to kick the shit out of her because I feel so disrespected.
Advice, anyone?

I think you have an opportunity here to bulid a bridge. What this person is doing is very rotten. Try to not see this as a personel thing. She is expressing her anger at society towards you. Try to look beyond that. Try to find a way to talk to her and ask to start over. Try to find something about her that you like and compliment her. Don't expect that this will be easy or will succed on the first try. But I urge you make the efforts, several efforts. You can expect that she will rebuff you many times. Keep trying. I am not saying to put yourself in danger. If begins to look like she is going escalate the violence back off and avoid. You do need to protect yourself. But try to build a bridge.

I went through three years of hell in High School from year 7 - year 10.

Bashed at lunch, spat on, hats stolen, bike tyres let down, verbal taunts. In that time I also suffered three concussions, 7 fractured hands, dozens of blood noses and was hit in the goolies that hard that I had to go to a doctors and put ice on them for 24 hours.

I tryed to fight back, I tryed to control it my way but things just got worse. In the end the school got involved and it all calmed down.

Mind you the ringleader of those who attacked me is now in jail - drugs, theft and assalt.

This is what happens to me. Everyone hates me then fails to hate me. Probably because of my ethnocentricity and hate american propaganda such as fascist comic book heroes. Well any way cry hate crime and murderthreat. She threatened to cut you up which is safe to assume means cut up into tiny pieces symbolizing your death and she is of a different race. As long as you didn't start it. You can also sue her for harassment and mental anguish. Damn you can sue for practically anything. If worse comes to worse and you fail go over to her house as long as there is no sign (You can accomplish alot in america with a sign) and break your arm and say that her property didn't say warning you can break your arm or something and sue her till she is poor. That will teach her.

If something goes horribly wrong and for some reason you didnt hear it from me and just in case

Warning: Following this advice isn't recommended and I am not responsible for your actions.

This is how americans get away from lawsuits

"Loud annoying black people" on the other hand... :rolleyes:

Racist black people? They are assholes just like racist hicks.

I think you have to take this to a teacher or year level co-ordinator.

She has made a very serious threat to your well being, someone of authority needs to be made aware.

Leaving it to fester will only make the problem worse.
oh yes that really makes people care

i vote whip her ass if she pulls some shit again, or when in doubt, use your superb language and logic skills to destroy her puny intellect

Its not racism, it cannot be under the definition of racism:

power + prejudice = racism

As an african american she has no societal power over white people.

oh yes that really makes people care

i vote whip her ass if she pulls some shit again, or when in doubt, use your superb language and logic skills to destroy her puny intellect

It doesn't make her care, it removes her from the situation foribly.

And read my first post about fighting her. If she's one of thoes, it's not worth it, you'll be more than fucked.

I went through three years of hell in High School from year 7 - year 10.

Bashed at lunch, spat on, hats stolen, bike tyres let down, verbal taunts. In that time I also suffered three concussions, 7 fractured hands, dozens of blood noses and was hit in the goolies that hard that I had to go to a doctors and put ice on them for 24 hours.

I tryed to fight back, I tryed to control it my way but things just got worse. In the end the school got involved and it all calmed down.

Mind you the ringleader of those who attacked me is now in jail - drugs, theft and assalt.

Did you sue. If it isn't 2 years from the last incident then it isn't to late

THIS POST IS WORTH READING!

i have a unique take on this one. i am half italian, and the other half is black/cherokee. i got a lot of shit in school, growing up, because apparently, blacks thought i "i looked white". i listen to metal, and have a bunch of long haired dumbass friends.(nova, brandon, walker i love you guys, i know you are reading this) i have met white people who call me a race traitor. not to mention all the mixed kid jokes.i think i look like myself. i think i act like myself. my parents had 7 kids of their own, and adopted 6. 3 white, 1 native american, 2 black . they made sure all the kids read fine literature, got good grades, SPOKE CORRECT ENGLISH, and had a lot of self respect, and respect for other people. we dont beleive in affirmative action. we are fiercely patriotic, and very conservative thinkers. we lived in the suburbs, my school was a pretty good mix of "races".
through the fights and debates i have gotten into, and the riots i almost started, i figured out a few things.
ONE- kids like this girl, who act like terrorizers, are generally uncomfortable with what to make of their place in the world. usually girls like this are being taught no core values at home. they feel the need to "identify" with a stance on who they are as a black american, because they have no idea on how to separate themselves from identifying self with the color of their skin. and, since your school is most likely predominatley white, she feels like she sticks out even more. so, due to the fact that her experience in life is being based on color, rather than content, this girl is exemplifying the negative traits of her race, in order to feel superior . if she possessed the self worth of an INDIVIDUAL, she would exhibit her own characteristics , but, as she can't do this, she is angry, and acting out on you. hopefully , in life, she have the benefits of having some one teach her that she is a person, and not a puppet of media stereotypes.
if this is hard to understand, think of it this way- when your parents accuse you of something over and over, and you deny it. and finally you get sick of the accusations, and say "fine! if you think i am ____, then i might as well act like one!"
the only thing is, she doesn't know what the school kids think of her, but because of low self esteem, she assumes it is something bad

my advice- tell a guidance counselor. and print my post and put it in her mathbook.but if she touches you, kick her ass bad! if you don't think you can win, get someone to teach you how to fight. no one has the right to harm you physically.

Its not racism, it cannot be under the definition of racism:

power + prejudice = racism

As an african american she has no societal power over white people.

That's just ignorant.

racism = prejudice against a race

power + prejudice = oppression

Its not racism, it cannot be under the definition of racism:

power + prejudice = racism

As an african american she has no societal power over white people.
:rolleyes:
So a neo Nazi who wants to kill all Jews and blacks is merely "prejudiced" since he doesn't have the societal power to carry out his plans?

Rascism is everywhere and theres nothing that cn be done about it without lower ourselves to the level of the Nazis.

Its not racism, it cannot be under the definition of racism:

power + prejudice = racism

As an african american she has no societal power over white people.

That's silly. White people don't have any legal "societal power" over blacks anymore, yet they can still cry racism.

I went through three years of hell in High School from year 7 - year 10.

Bashed at lunch, spat on, hats stolen, bike tyres let down, verbal taunts. In that time I also suffered three concussions, 7 fractured hands, dozens of blood noses and was hit in the goolies that hard that I had to go to a doctors and put ice on them for 24 hours.

I tryed to fight back, I tryed to control it my way but things just got worse. In the end the school got involved and it all calmed down.

Mind you the ringleader of those who attacked me is now in jail - drugs, theft and assalt.
WHAT THE HELL IS THAT ABOUT?

oh yes that really makes people care

i vote whip her ass if she pulls some shit again, or when in doubt, use your superb language and logic skills to destroy her puny intellect

Sticks and stones - - - It is more of a cause and effect thing. You beat up on me and the teachers will send you to detention. It does work. Getting verbal makes the bitch pissed off and then she does cut you up.

So are you a neo nazi?

Its not racism, it cannot be under the definition of racism:

power + prejudice = racism

As an african american she has no societal power over white people.

where'd you get your definition because i read that it's:

Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

I think you have an opportunity here to bulid a bridge. What this person is doing is very rotten. Try to not see this as a personel thing. She is expressing her anger at society towards you. Try to look beyond that. Try to find a way to talk to her and ask to start over. Try to find something about her that you like and compliment her. Don't expect that this will be easy or will succed on the first try. But I urge you make the efforts, several efforts. You can expect that she will rebuff you many times. Keep trying. I am not saying to put yourself in danger. If begins to look like she is going escalate the violence back off and avoid. You do need to protect yourself. But try to build a bridge.
I don't think she should have to build any bridges to someone who's threatened her with force. That's a bad afterschool special that never plays out in the real world.

This girl is obviously a victim of the rampant type of victim mentality that pervades minority cultures. It gives her the excuse to act out emotionally whenever she feels the need.
Hell, she probably thinks it's her right to.

Go to the cops and have her arrested. She'll probably thank you in 10 years for it.

I think it is racism because she is specifically pointing out he color of her skin while making the threat. If you say fat bitch or somethign of that nature you are still pointing out something you find to be a negative trait of that other person.
What the girl is doing is threatening you, very specifically, so you should report it if you're not able/willing to handle her yourself; she's clearly in the wrong.

But racism? Get over yourself. If she called you "that leather jacket wearing bitch" or "that red-haired bitch", would THAT be racism?

It's a little understandable when minorities are oversensitive about this, because they really do experience discrimination. Listening to white kids whine "racism" just because someone of another race doesn't like them is really pathetic.

WHAT THE HELL IS THAT ABOUT?

Empathising with the girl. I've been there. Physical violence leads to more violence unless you have a higher authority on your side who can trump the bastards in this world.

Its not racism, it cannot be under the definition of racism:

power + prejudice = racism

As an african american she has no societal power over white people.

I don't agree with this definition of racism.

THIS POST IS WORTH READING!

i have a unique take on this one. i am half italian, and the other half is black/cherokee. i got a lot of shit in school, growing up, because apparently, blacks thought i "i looked white". i listen to metal, and have a bunch of long haired dumbass friends.(nova, brandon, walker i love you guys, i know you are reading this) i have met white people who call me a race traitor. not to mention all the mixed kid jokes.i think i look like myself. i think i act like myself. my parents had 7 kids of their own, and adopted 6. 3 white, 1 native american, 2 black . they made sure all the kids read fine literature, got good grades, SPOKE CORRECT ENGLISH, and had a lot of self respect, and respect for other people. we dont beleive in affirmative action. we are fiercely patriotic, and very conservative thinkers. we lived in the suburbs, my school was a pretty good mix of "races".
through the fights and debates i have gotten into, and the riots i almost started, i figured out a few things.
ONE- kids like this girl, who act like terrorizers, are generally uncomfortable with what to make of their place in the world. usually girls like this are being taught no core values at home. they feel the need to "identify" with a stance on who they are as a black american, because they have no idea on how to separate themselves from identifying self with the color of their skin. and, since your school is most likely predominatley white, she feels like she sticks out even more. so, due to the fact that her experience in life is being based on color, rather than content, this girl is exemplifying the negative traits of her race, in order to feel superior . if she possessed the self worth of an INDIVIDUAL, she would exhibit her own characteristics , but, as she can't do this, she is angry, and acting out on you. hopefully , in life, she have the benefits of having some one teach her that she is a person, and not a puppet of media stereotypes.
if this is hard to understand, think of it this way- when your parents accuse you of something over and over, and you deny it. and finally you get sick of the accusations, and say "fine! if you think i am ____, then i might as well act like one!"
the only thing is, she doesn't know what the school kids think of her, but because of low self esteem, she assumes it is something bad

my advice- tell a guidance counselor. and print my post and put it in her mathbook.but if she touches you, kick her ass bad! if you don't think you can win, get someone to teach you how to fight. no one has the right to harm you physically.

You are a great man. Passive aggressive is the way to be. But you dont talk about beating some one up like that. You have to strike second because then its self defense instead of assault and battery with/without a deadly weapon

What the girl is doing is threatening you, very specifically, so you should report it if you're not able/willing to handle her yourself; she's clearly in the wrong.

But racism? Get over yourself. If she called you "that leather jacket wearing bitch" or "that red-haired bitch", would THAT be racism?

It's a little understandable when minorities are oversensitive about this, because they really do experience discrimination. Listening to white kids whine "racism" just because someone of another race doesn't like them is really pathetic.

Testify, sistah! ;)

Yes, this definition seems to upset people alot. The definition I provided:

Power + prejudice = racism

Is the traditional social anthropological textbook definition of racism. In otherwords its the definition used by scholars and professors .

...and believe it or not, we in north america are still benefiting from the slavery system abolished 100 years ago.

Eichen were you in the thread about why i hate america which i kind of stole and screwed up along with two other people. That was funny. If your not ill post a link
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8070179&posted=1#post8070179
Very funny

What the girl is doing is threatening you, very specifically, so you should report it if you're not able/willing to handle her yourself; she's clearly in the wrong.

But racism? Get over yourself. If she called you "that leather jacket wearing bitch" or "that red-haired bitch", would THAT be racism?

It's a little understandable when minorities are oversensitive about this, because they really do experience discrimination. Listening to white kids whine "racism" just because someone of another race doesn't like them is really pathetic.

So because I'm white I can't be a victim of racism? That's the stupidist thing I've ever heard. If someone dislikes you because of your race, it's racism period, no matter what yours or their is (as long as they're different, which is logical).

What the girl is doing is threatening you, very specifically, so you should report it if you're not able/willing to handle her yourself; she's clearly in the wrong.

But racism? Get over yourself. If she called you "that leather jacket wearing bitch" or "that red-haired bitch", would THAT be racism?

It's a little understandable when minorities are oversensitive about this, because they really do experience discrimination. Listening to white kids whine "racism" just because someone of another race doesn't like them is really pathetic.

Fuck you! Don't tell me to "get over myself" like I'm making this about me! This is RACISM. Just because I'm white doesn't mean that people can't be racist toward me. But let's go with your mentality. Do you want me to go up to a black person and call them a "black bitch"? Do you think I'd come out of that without at least a black eye? It's a racist comment, you moron. You just don't see it because white's in front of it. The difference is that skin color is not chosen. Hair and clothing type can be chosen.

So there's this girl in my chorus class. I'm white, she's black, and she doesn't like me. I dont' necessarily care for her either. I think she's loud and obnoxious and expects everyone not of her color to bend over backwords for her, and that PISSES me off.
Anyway, our problems started the day we were rehersing for our chorus concert. She hits me while she's getting up on the riser behind me and I said, "Excuse you!". She starts going off being all loud saying shit like. "I'm going to cut that white bitch up!" blah blah blah. That night, after the concert, we were the last people waiting for rides. She comes up to me and spits right next to me, coming like, within an inch of spitting in my face. One of her friends made a comment about it, and before I knew it I was yelling at her, calling her a bitch, and she continued the, "I'm going to cut that white bitch up" shit, even though she never fucking made the move.
Things stayed fairly normal until yesterday, when I was walking down the hallway and she rammed into me, intentionally, in the hallway. She doesn't want to fight, obviously, otherwise she would have pulled something already. I don't know what to do. I'm a good kid and don't want a fight on my record, but my GOD I want to kick the shit out of her because I feel so disrespected.
Advice, anyone?

She's a bitch, nest time she tries roughing you up beat the living piss out her. Do it when no one else is around and do it so bad she'll forever be afraid of you. I mean just go apeshit on her, she won't mouth off ever again.

Especially if it involves a hospital visit.

Bake her some muffins and give her a nice Hallmark card. Kill her with kindness.

Next time she threatens to cut you, just wait till later. Find out if she leaves her house after dark. If she does, hide behind some bushes along her route. When she passes, quietly come out from the bushes and hit her on the back with a bat to knock her down. Now just beat the shit out of her (make sure you cover your face) until shes' good and bloody. Say something witty such as: "Hope you liked that beating, you black bitch"! Wipe off the bat and toss it, and whistle your way back home.

Too bad you aren't a guy or you could piss on your adversary when they are down.


BTW telling on someone is sort of a wimpy way to deal with problems. If you kick enough ass, no one will disrespect you!

Its not racism, it cannot be under the definition of racism:

power + prejudice = racism

As an african american she has no societal power over white people.
Rubbish. At least argue that the correct terminology would be reverse racism.
Don't buullshit that it doesn't exist.
Someone would say something like that who's only knowledge about minorities comes from watching Tootie on the Facts of Life.

:rolleyes:

Empathising with the girl. I've been there. Physical violence leads to more violence unless you have a higher authority on your side who can trump the bastards in this world.
no, i am wondering why that happened to you.

Bake her some muffins and give her a nice Hallmark card. Kill her with kindness.

Dude, weak!

What the girl is doing is threatening you, very specifically, so you should report it if you're not able/willing to handle her yourself; she's clearly in the wrong.

But racism? Get over yourself. If she called you "that leather jacket wearing bitch" or "that red-haired bitch", would THAT be racism?

It's a little understandable when minorities are oversensitive about this, because they really do experience discrimination. Listening to white kids whine "racism" just because someone of another race doesn't like them is really pathetic.

no calling someone a red-haired bitch isnt racism and never said so.

callign someone a fat bitch shows that you have contempt for fat people and callign someone a white bitch or back bitch or mexican bitch shows that youa re separating them by the color of their skin and using it negatively sounds exactly liek racism to me. You provided no argument to he contrary.

She's a bitch, nest time she tries roughing you up beat the living piss out her. Do it when no one else is around and do it so bad she'll forever be afraid of you. I mean just go apeshit on her, she won't mouth off ever again.

Especially if it involves a hospital visit.

She would have to get hit first and defend herself through the whole thing. If she is a lot stronger then you then i am probably sure you can hit her with a bat or brick or tank. Don't listen to the tank.

Warning: Don't follow my advice.

Fuck you! Don't tell me to "get over myself" like I'm making this about me! This is RACISM. Just because I'm white doesn't mean that people can't be racist toward me. But let's go with your mentality. Do you want me to go up to a black person and call them a "black bitch"? Do you think I'd come out of that without at least a black eye? It's a racist comment, you moron. You just don't see it because white's in front of it. The difference is that skin color is not chosen. Hair and clothing type can be chosen.

Please don't listen to those people who tell you to get over yourself, or those who say beat the crap out of her. Look for common ground. I know it is there. Peace is more than the end of war.

Next time she threatens to cut you, just wait till later. Find out if she leaves her house after dark. If she does, hide behind some bushes along her route. When she passes, quietly come out from the bushes and hit her on the back with a bat to knock her down. Now just beat the shit out of her (make sure you cover your face) until shes' good and bloody. Say something witty such as: "Hope you liked that beating, you black bitch"! Wipe off the bat and toss it, and whistle your way back home.

Too bad you aren't a guy or you could piss on your adversary when they are down.


BTW telling on someone is sort of a wimpy way to deal with problems. If you kick enough ass, no one will disrespect you!

OMG, it's the porn star from Wonderland!
:p

i REALLY hate racist. I say we take a few thousand of them hog them then put them on a Pacific island then see what happens. Great reality TV show.

Yes, this definition seems to upset people alot. The definition I provided:

Power + prejudice = racism

Is the traditional social anthropological textbook definition of racism. In otherwords its the definition used by scholars and professors .

That may be, but it doesn't make much sense when refering to two people here. The common definition for people is simply prejudice against a race.

Edit: stupid internet, it should've been up top somewhere.

:rolleyes:
So a neo Nazi who wants to kill all Jews and blacks is merely "prejudiced" since he doesn't have the societal power to carry out his plans?

Firstly Neo Nazi is not a race, neither is Jew.

He cannot be racist unless he manifests his prejudice in an act of behavior.
You can have prejudice against a race without being racist.

The boundaries of race categories have been constantly changing, for instance the Irish and Sweeds were once considered "Dark Skinned".
In todays society Jews are considered white (while in the past they were not).

If the neo nazi you were refering to was white, he could not be racist because he is in the same racial category as a jew. He could certainly have prejudice, but in terms of skin colour and the benefits it would bring him, he is no different from a jew.

Mind you I know that not all jews are white, just like christians, Budhists and other major religions.

You must learn not to confuse ethnic minorities and racial minorities.

You are a great man. Passive aggressive is the way to be. But you dont talk about beating some one up like that. You have to strike second because then its self defense instead of assault and battery with/without a deadly weapon
a great woman, you mean. read my post closely, i say if she hits you, then kick her ass. self defense, and it is right and proper.

Rubbish. At least argue that the correct terminology would be reverse racism.
Don't buullshit that it doesn't exist.
Someone would say something like that who's only knowledge about minorities comes from watching Tootie on the Facts of Life.

:rolleyes:

The term "reverse racism" was coined by the leader of the KKK (If forget his name...).

P.S.

In case you are wondering I am a social anthropological student and am a member of a racial and ethnic minority.

Its not racism, it cannot be under the definition of racism:

power + prejudice = racism

As an african american she has no societal power over white people.
What sort of bullshit definition for racism is that? Not one from the dictionary I guarantee. A racist is anyone who believes that the colour of their skin dictates their worthiness. HBere's the actual definition from Meriam Webster: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.

It's no different than poor people hating the rich and being "snobbish" TOWARDS RICH PEOPLE because they think they are better than rich people. It has nothing to do with being in possession of societal power.

And another thing, I am sick and tired of hearing people referring to negros as "African Americans". My ancestry is from Scotland and Ireland but I am not a ScotsIrish American, I am an AMERICAN. Black people, yellow people, red people, and white people who are born here OR who make their citizenship here are AMERICANS period! They may be in possession of the traditions of another country but they ARE Americans -- nothing more and nothing less. To call someone an African American means they are something LESS than a REGULAR American. That's what I am ... a regular American.

You wanna talk about POWER???? Do you think that I as a white male could scream racism when a lesser qualified person gets a job over me because some wretched quota has to be met to hire so many "African Americans"??? I don't say this from any personal experience -- I've got my job, but I've seen it happen to people that I know. And don't hand me any of that "payback" crap either. I've never owned a slave, never seen a slave and no negro living on American soil today has ever been a slave. Get over it. You don't hear the Irish pissing and moaning about the hard breaks they got in the early days of immigration. At that time it was BETTER to be black or ANYTHING than to be an Irishman.

Oh, but the short of it is, I agree with the bridge building thing so long as it is possible, BUT you need to first make sure that an adult in authority at the school knows about what has happend and what you plan to do.

She would have to get hit first and defend herself through the whole thing. If she is a lot stronger then you then i am probably sure you can hit her with a bat or brick or tank. Don't listen to the tank.

Warning: Don't follow my advice.

If everyone has seen her bullying Jenn and no one's around then she just has to say the girl hit her first, if she did hit her first, like pushed her or shit then she isn't even lying. I know, I was bullied alot in high school, it pretty much stopped after I used this plan... either that or because they all graduated a few weeks later... but it did blow off alot of steam. :p

jenn jenn land, what do you think about what i told you?

It all boils down to telling someone. Tell someone at the school, the police, parents, etc. about her threats.

The term "reverse racism" was coined by the leader of the KKK (If forget his name...).
I couldn't care less if it was coined by Peter fuckin' Pan.

It still exists. It's just as damaging to race relations as any other form of racism. Take your blinders off and see the issue honestly if you'd like to improve the social climate.

Now on a serious note blame serbia. On the lighter note you have the law on yourside and have her expelled and stuff like that. You are clearly the superior being by not giving in and asking advice from various people and like machiavelli said "Humans can't be trusted in time of need" so go with your heart. If you have her arrested then she will be mentally hampered made fun of if she had to go back to school at her older age and if she doesn't then she would work for mcdonalds for the rest of her life and for at least a few months and everyone would be afraid of you and your attorny. Now like i and machiavelli say "It is better for people to fear you then to respect you"

Now this is what i probably do. I am a bit orthadox though and constantly think out of the box. The problem with me is thinking inside of the box.

no, i am wondering why that happened to you.

People refered to me as a geek - had no pocket protector but I keep to the rules. I did my home work, didn't go to many parties, wasn't good at sport, had acne, I was called gay but I asked out almost every girl in my class to no avail.

But what does not kill you makes you stronger and a vengeful bastard.

I passed high school (VCE - Victorian Certificate of Education) {AUSTRALIAN}

Went to uni, married a girl who also went to my high school - didn't ask her out during high school now I work for a conservative political party, hence I'm here on a Sunday.

Life is not easy, nor should it be.

The easy way out is to blow the bitch away, but it will F**k you up for life. Take the harder path, it is more rewarding in the end.

I think I'm going to take a lot of ya'll's advise and go to some school person about it. Thanks to everyone.

People refered to me as a geek - had no pocket protector but I keep to the rules. I did my home work, didn't go to many parties, wasn't good at sport, had acne, I was called gay but I asked out almost every girl in my class to no avail.

But what does not kill you makes you stronger and a vengeful bastard.

I passed high school (VCE - Victorian Certificate of Education) {AUSTRALIAN}

Went to uni, married a girl who also went to my high school - didn't ask her out during high school now I work for a conservative political party, hence I'm here on a Sunday.

Life is not easy, nor should it be.

The easy way out is to blow the bitch away, but it will F**k you up for life. Take the harder path, it is more rewarding in the end.

Well said.

Yes, this definition seems to upset people alot. The definition I provided:

Power + prejudice = racism

Is the traditional social anthropological textbook definition of racism. In otherwords its the definition used by scholars and professors .

...and believe it or not, we in north america are still benefiting from the slavery system abolished 100 years ago.

I have heard this definition before; and I know where it comes from. I don't agree with it. I believe all people should be responsible for promoting racial harmony. Racism is a terrible disease and we all need to work to overcome it.

I think I'm going to take a lot of ya'll's advise and go to some school person about it. Thanks to everyone.

You sound like a good kid, use the F**K word a bit but hey shit happens. :)

People refered to me as a geek - had no pocket protector but I keep to the rules. I did my home work, didn't go to many parties, wasn't good at sport, had acne, I was called gay but I asked out almost every girl in my class to no avail.

But what does not kill you makes you stronger and a vengeful bastard.

I passed high school (VCE - Victorian Certificate of Education) {AUSTRALIAN}

Went to uni, married a girl who also went to my high school - didn't ask her out during high school now I work for a conservative political party, hence I'm here on a Sunday.

Life is not easy, nor should it be.

The easy way out is to blow the bitch away, but it will F**k you up for life. Take the harder path, it is more rewarding in the end.
i really really really really like your attitude! fucking awesome. you completely rule, man.

If everyone has seen her bullying Jenn and no one's around then she just has to say the girl hit her first, if she did hit her first, like pushed her or shit then she isn't even lying. I know, I was bullied alot in high school, it pretty much stopped after I used this plan... either that or because they all graduated a few weeks later... but it did blow off alot of steam. :p

You should be an inspiration if i believed in them. I also dont believe in heroes. I dont get bullied because well i have a lot of forces on my side and they cant hate the irish or ethnocentric german.

Any way i have two natural hair colors red and brown (Dont ask) so if some one said "All redheads are smart and all brown heads are dumb" should i be insulted or take it as a complement

Firstly Neo Nazi is not a race, neither is Jew.....

Well, no Neo-Nazi's are not a race, a lot of them have german roots and such, but not a race.

Jews are a race, they have their own genetic traits as well as genetic fingerprints. Just because there is the Jewish term for followers of the faith doesn't mean that its only faith based thing.

How the world sees you doesn't make you who you are, just because you look white, doesn't make you white. example, most people I've known that just watch movies without much insight would say Vin Diesel is a good white actor. But he is also black. So, which is it?

I think I'm going to take a lot of ya'll's advise and go to some school person about it. Thanks to everyone.

Whatever you do... stay cool. Don't let her pull you down with her.

Well, no Neo-Nazi's are not a race, a lot of them have german roots and such, but not a race.

Jews are a race, they have their own genetic traits as well as genetic fingerprints. Just because there is the Jewish term for followers of the faith doesn't mean that its only faith based thing.

How the world sees you doesn't make you who you are, just because you look white, doesn't make you white. example, most people I've known that just watch movies without much insight would say Vin Diesel is a good white actor. But he is also black. So, which is it?

Good point. Vin Diesel is a blite.... wow that isn't jood ^.^

P.S. Love the quote in your sig.

You wanna talk about POWER???? Do you think that I as a white male could scream racism when a lesser qualified person gets a job over me because some wretched quota has to be met to hire so many "African Americans"??? I don't say this from any personal experience -- I've got my job, but I've seen it happen to people that I know. And don't hand me any of that "payback" crap either. I've never owned a slave, never seen a slave and no negro living on American soil today has ever been a slave. Get over it.


"Payback" ?

You may not like employment equity programs, but How else do you suggest that we balance the scales ? The fact is in north america, African americans are still at a disadvantage in our society. Look at the statistics, emploment rates, wages, number of africans in high places in our society.

How many black professors have you had ? When was the last time you visited your black doctor ?

Other ethnic groups may also be at a disadvantage, like Irish people for example. However, in teh case of the Irish, they have been grouped together with what are considered the other "white" ethnicities, and therefore have no right to complain as an Irish white person is no different from an English white person in our society.

When was the last time you read in the newspaper about "anti Irish mobs" and "Irish beating" ? Or something else like police racial profiling the Irish?

I have heard this definition before; and I know where it comes from. I don't agree with it. I believe all people should be responsible for promoting racial harmony. Racism is a terrible disease and we all need to work to overcome it.

I am not rascist. People tend to assume because of american propaganda. People seem to think that every ethnocentric german is an antisemitic Nazi and communist. I have Jewish friends and black friends and hispanic friends. I am actually quite tolerent. Shows that you should never assume because
if you assume is makes an ass of u and me
Or the fresh prince way
If you assume it makes you an ass and the ume shuns you.

By the way Jenn you made the right choice. First you have to see if she commited a crime in your area before you call the police if you plan to.

my gf's filipino and on her birth certificate under race it says "brown'

Well, no Neo-Nazi's are not a race, a lot of them have german roots and such, but not a race.

Jews are a race, they have their own genetic traits as well as genetic fingerprints. Just because there is the Jewish term for followers of the faith doesn't mean that its only faith based thing.

How the world sees you doesn't make you who you are, just because you look white, doesn't make you white. example, most people I've known that just watch movies without much insight would say Vin Diesel is a good white actor. But he is also black. So, which is it?

The genetic differences in all people of all races is less than 0.004%.
The genetic differences from Jewish people ( jewish people are more susceptible to certain diseases) and for example the average north american WASP (white anglosaxon protestant) can be accounted for by selective breeding (traditionaly people tend to procreate with members of their own race and ethnic group). This way mutations are contained within the ethnic group.

The genetic differences between races is directly dependant on the size of the groups being compared. A small minority compared to a larger group will show more difference as the minority has a smaller genepool.

And regardless: WE ARE MORE THAN 99.996% THE SAME IN TERMS OF DNA.

The genetic differences in all people of all races is less than 0.004%.
The genetic differences from Jewish people ( jewish people are more susceptible to certain diseases) and for example the average north american WASP (white anglosaxon protestant) can be accounted for by selective breeding (traditionaly people tend to procreate with members of their own race and ethnic group). This way mutations are contained within the ethnic group.

Yes, but that's still a difference, enough to categorize people.

Well, no Neo-Nazi's are not a race, a lot of them have german roots and such, but not a race.

Jews are a race, they have their own genetic traits as well as genetic fingerprints. Just because there is the Jewish term for followers of the faith doesn't mean that its only faith based thing.

How the world sees you doesn't make you who you are, just because you look white, doesn't make you white. example, most people I've known that just watch movies without much insight would say Vin Diesel is a good white actor. But he is also black. So, which is it?
you should read my post. :)

I am not rascist. People tend to assume because of american propaganda. People seem to think that every ethnocentric german is an antisemitic Nazi and communist. I have Jewish friends and black friends and hispanic friends. I am actually quite tolerent. Shows that you should never assume because
if you assume is makes an ass of u and me
Or the fresh prince way
If you assume it makes you an ass and the ume shuns you.

I'm sorry if you think I was calling you racist I really feel bad. I don't know you. I didn't think what you said was racist. I do think that the definition you used for racism does not help society to deal with racism; it tends to place the blame racism in this society on white people where much of it (almost all of it)belongs. My point really is everyone has some responsibility to fix the problem. No one can say it is just there problem.

"Payback" ?

You may not like employment equity programs, but How else do you suggest that we balance the scales ? The fact is in north america, African americans are still at a disadvantage in our society. Look at the statistics, emploment rates, wages, number of africans in high places in our society.

How many black professors have you had ? When was the last time you visited your black doctor ?

Other ethnic groups may also be at a disadvantage, like Irish people for example. However, in teh case of the Irish, they have been grouped together with what are considered the other "white" ethnicities, and therefore have no right to complain as an Irish white person is no different from an English white person.
The answer to the black American is the same to the poor white American. Stop blaming ANYONE for your lot in life, do the BEST YOU CAN and then some, and if you work hard at it, and if you want it bad enough, in America, you will most likely get it.

Notice what happens to any black American that does what they are supposed to do and stops blaming whitey? Look at Condi Rice. If she were a liberal anyone who had anything to say about her would be crucified! But no, she thinks, therefore she is conservative as well as brilliant, and the politically correct are all over her. The same with Clarence Thomas and virtually every black American who does not share the views of self hating white liberals.

I suppose now you are going to say that the reason jails are packed with black males is because of unfair trials and racism??? How about more black Americans commit more crimes AGAINST BLACK AMERICANS and therefore end up in the pokey! All one had to do was to look at the oppotunist blacks in LA when the riots broke out. Who did they aim their violence at but at the orientals who worked their asses off to open a store and maintain it.

When I moved to New England, I saved my money and bought a second hand car. I worked a shitty job that I didn't like but I did what I had to do. Then two black men stole my car and used it to steal other cars. Do I classify all blacks in the same bucket with these losers? No. But this type of lifestyle is pervasive and THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS AND IT IS NOT MY FAULT NOR ANYONE ELSES.

It's time for everyone to get off their lazy asses and get to work!

Other ethnic groups may also be at a disadvantage, like Irish people for example. However, in teh case of the Irish, they have been grouped together with what are considered the other "white" ethnicities, and therefore have no right to complain as an Irish white person is no different from an English white person.
Spoken like someone who hasn't got a clue about American history.

The answer to the black American is the same to the poor white American. Stop blaming ANYONE for your lot in life, do the BEST YOU CAN and then some, and if you work hard at it, and if you want it bad enough, in America, you will most likely get it.

Notice what happens to any black American that does what they are supposed to do and stops blaming whitey? Look at Condi Rice. If she were a liberal anyone who had anything to say about her would be crucified! But no, she thinks, therefore she is conservative as well as brilliant, and the politically correct are all over her. The same with Clarence Thomas and virtually every black American who does not share the views of self hating white liberals.

I suppose now you are going to say that the reason jails are packed with black males is because of unfair trials and racism??? How about more black Americans commit more crimes AGAINST BLACK AMERICANS and therefore end up in the pokey! All one had to do was to look at the oppotunist blacks in LA when the riots broke out. Who did they aim their violence at but at the orientals who worked their asses off to open a store and maintain it.

When I moved to New England, I saved my money and bought a second hand car. I worked a shitty job that I didn't like but I did what I had to do. Then two black men stole my car and used it to steal other cars. Do I classify all blacks in the same bucket with these losers? No. But this type of lifestyle is pervasive and THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS AND IT IS NOT MY FAULT NOR ANYONE ELSES.

It's time for everyone to get off their lazy asses and get to work!


I'm confused about your statement "virtually every black American who does not share the views of self hating white liberals". What are you incinuating? I'm a white liberal but I don't hate myself. I don't blame others for my problems, or the problems of others. In fact, I share your views about self responsibility. You should stop making generalizations based on political orientation. Not all liberals are idiots. ^.^

I'm sorry if you think I was calling you racist I really feel bad. I don't know you. I didn't think what you said was racist. I do think that the definition you used for racism does not help society to deal with racism; it tends to place the blame racism in this society on white people where much of it (almost all of it)belongs. My point really is everyone has some responsibility to fix the problem. No one can say it is just there problem.

I know you werent pointing to me. All i am saying is that i am uncorruptable by propaganda unlike most people. Any way Neonazi confuse me too much. I cant see how they feel that the whites are minorities when most of the population is white. Also what is white power? Sure white people could stand hotter weather better due to the fact white repels heat but we get burnt easier. Is this the power they were referring to?

Lets end this....

CLOSING THOUGHTS

Race: Is an ever changing boundary, it has little basis in terms of genetics.

Society: Whether you notice it or not, certain groups have advantages over others.

http://seamonkey.ed.asu.edu/~mcisaac/emc598ge/Unpacking.html

Its not racism, it cannot be under the definition of racism:

power + prejudice = racism

As an african american she has no societal power over white people.

thats just plain incorrect and you dont need any power to be racist its a belief system and a set of personal actions, that has nothing to do with having power over some one except the want of said power.

I'm confused about your statement "virtually every black American who does not share the views of self hating white liberals". What are you incinuating? I'm a white liberal but I don't hate myself. I don't blame others for my problems, or the problems of others. In fact, I share your views about self responsibility. You should stop making generalizations based on political orientation. Not all liberals are idiots. ^.^
If you're white and liberal and don't "hate" yourself, then the only reason you are a political liberal is because you were raised one and haven't learned to think for yourself. It is inconceivable that a person should be a political liberal and actually LOVE true LIBERTY. (Liberty by the way is not absolute freedom, but rather freedom within the boundaries of morality). No, a true liberal feels sorry that they were born white and feels like they owe black Americans something, and that the best way for black Americans to "feel at home" is to make yet another Goddammed government programme to sap the wallets of hard working Americans, and pat the criminal on the back and say "I know that you are a criminal because of white oppression". If this is not you, then you need to think about changing your politcal position.

irish the same as angolo saxons. Ha ha ha ha ha. I am irish. Wee wee people(pun used) hate the British. Making us sign the second act of union in i think 1800. They then forced us to grow wheat and give it to england not letting us keep any so we also grew potatoes. When the potatoes were destroyed by the potatoe famine they sent soldiers to keep us from having the wheat which was basically a genocide. You cant categorize us the same as them. We are better for we have red hair and are Catholic and not Anglican because some guy wanted a new wife. I am 50% irish and about .1% british :( does that make me a selfhater

I know you werent pointing to me. All i am saying is that i am uncorruptable by propaganda unlike most people. Any way Neonazi confuse me too much. I cant see how they feel that the whites are minorities when most of the population is white. Also what is white power? Sure white people could stand hotter weather better due to the fact white repels heat but we get burnt easier. Is this the power they were referring to?

I hope you aren't pulling my leg. White power as I understand it was a reaction to the slogan Black Power that was first popularized in the 60's. White Power is a call to white people to band together and take back the political and social power they preceived that they had lost to civil rights laws that were passed in the 60's and 70's. It was black people who were considered better able to withstand the heat because they came from Africa where it was so hot and they had become acclimated to the hot sun.

irish the same as angolo saxons. Ha ha ha ha ha. I am irish. Wee wee people(pun used) hate the British. Making us sign the second act of union in i think 1800. They then forced us to grow wheat and give it to england not letting us keep any so we also grew potatoes. When the potatoes were destroyed by the potatoe famine they sent soldiers to keep us from having the wheat which was basically a genocide. You cant categorize us the same as them. We are better for we have red hair and are Catholic and not Anglican because some guy wanted a new wife. I am 50% irish and about .1% british :( does that make me a selfhater
To be more accurate you are a Romanist. The term Roman Catholic is oxymoronic. It is impossible to be Catholic (universal) and Roman (being a location) at the same time. The one, true, holy, apostolic, and catholic church is the church of all ages beginning especially with Abraham and even unto this day, including people from every tribe, tongue and nation, everyone who relies upon the Lord Jesus Christ and upon Him alone for justification, adoption and sanctification. The church of Rome divorced the true catholic church at the council of Trent. And while I agree with you that it's rathe convenient for the king to make a new denomination in order to satisfy his lusts, that is why I am not an Anglican but am a Presbyterian.

Oh but there are some fine Anglican preachers that I greatly admire, but not a single Romanist preacher that I admire, unless you go way back to folks like Augustine. But then again, Augustine was a true Catholic and not simply a Romanist

To be more accurate you are a Romanist. The term Roman Catholic is oxymoronic. It is impossible to be Catholic (universal) and Roman (being a location) at the same time. .....


Couldn't it be like, the Roman branch of the Catholic Church....doesn't seem to contridict itself, just like you can have an Irish American, two differnt locations, in the same name, isn't that odd. If you were making a serious post, then it was rather odd one. If you were being funny, I failed to see any humor.

Couldn't it be like, the Roman branch of the Catholic Church....doesn't seem to contridict itself, just like you can have an Irish American, two differnt locations, in the same name, isn't that odd. If you were making a serious post, then it was rather odd one. If you were being funny, I failed to see any humor.
If you believe that Rome is simply a "branch" of the "Catholic" church, you need to brush up on your church history. Rome, namely the Vatican claims to the THE one, true, holy and apostolic church outside of which there is no hope of salvation. There is no "branch" in the mind of Rome, nor in the mind of her parishoners.

"Payback" ?

You may not like employment equity programs, but How else do you suggest that we balance the scales ? The fact is in north america, African americans are still at a disadvantage in our society. Look at the statistics, emploment rates, wages, number of africans in high places in our society.

How many black professors have you had ? When was the last time you visited your black doctor ?

Other ethnic groups may also be at a disadvantage, like Irish people for example. However, in teh case of the Irish, they have been grouped together with what are considered the other "white" ethnicities, and therefore have no right to complain as an Irish white person is no different from an English white person in our society.

When was the last time you read in the newspaper about "anti Irish mobs" and "Irish beating" ?

Affermative action sucks. If a black guy applying for a position in a school where 90% of the people are white and 10% are hispanic and a white guy is applying for the same job but more experienced and better suited then the black guy would get the job. I call that rascism due to the fact that they hired the black guy because of their race and didnt accept the white guy because of his race. Rascism. Green is the mixture of blue and yellow. Blue. Blue is the opposite of damn i forgot i think yellow. Red is opp green. Tint(white) is opposite of shade(black). White and black arent colors, they are shades and tints.

This reminds me of a song
Why do they call you a white man? You're not white at all.
White is the color of ??????????
?????????
White is the color of all these things ?????
???????????
Why do they call you a black man? You're not black at all.
Black is the color of ?????
????????????
Black is the color of all these things ????
????????????
Why do they call you a green man (What has the auther smoked during this song? green? come on.) Repeats.

I learned this in gradeschool during black history month. The auther was a black woman who looked like the counciler.

To be more accurate you are a Romanist. The term Roman Catholic is oxymoronic. It is impossible to be Catholic (universal) and Roman (being a location) at the same time. The one, true, holy, apostolic, and catholic church is the church of all ages beginning especially with Abraham and even unto this day, including people from every tribe, tongue and nation, everyone who relies upon the Lord Jesus Christ and upon Him alone for justification, adoption and sanctification. The church of Rome divorced the true catholic church at the council of Trent. And while I agree with you that it's rathe convenient for the king to make a new denomination in order to satisfy his lusts, that is why I am not an Anglican but am a Presbyterian.

Oh but there are some fine Anglican preachers that I greatly admire, but not a single Romanist preacher that I admire, unless you go way back to folks like Augustine. But then again, Augustine was a true Catholic and not simply a Romanist
lol that was... completely out of the blue.

lol that was... completely out of the blue.
Actually it was only another example of how we place labels on ourselves (not a bad thing) that are often untrue or which hold no real power.

But I would have to agree that my statements mislead this thread. It is off track and I will relent.

To be more accurate you are a Romanist. The term Roman Catholic is oxymoronic. It is impossible to be Catholic (universal) and Roman (being a location) at the same time. The one, true, holy, apostolic, and catholic church is the church of all ages beginning especially with Abraham and even unto this day, including people from every tribe, tongue and nation, everyone who relies upon the Lord Jesus Christ and upon Him alone for justification, adoption and sanctification. The church of Rome divorced the true catholic church at the council of Trent. And while I agree with you that it's rathe convenient for the king to make a new denomination in order to satisfy his lusts, that is why I am not an Anglican but am a Presbyterian.

Oh but there are some fine Anglican preachers that I greatly admire, but not a single Romanist preacher that I admire, unless you go way back to folks like Augustine. But then again, Augustine was a true Catholic and not simply a Romanist

You're scottish i presume. What happened to the presmese exist no longer or whatever. I'm sure you hate the English unless you like them because well the Irish are similar to the Scots but didn't speak Gaelic. I forgot what they spoke but its like Gaeligican and cant forget about william wallace or the other one. Besides Roman catholic isn't an oxymoron. It simply means that you believe in the Vatican as the head of the relgion but cant forget about the council at trent.

If you believe that Rome is simply a "branch" of the "Catholic" church, you need to brush up on your church history. Rome, namely the Vatican claims to the THE one, true, holy and apostolic church outside of which there is no hope of salvation. There is no "branch" in the mind of Rome, nor in the mind of her parishoners.

Just because one branch says they are the only true branch doesn't mean others aren't under the catagory but different branch. Catholic isn't unique to any one church, its a belief of unity older then the Catholic church that is known to carry it.

The Vatican is its own government and nation. they do not fall under the laws or rules of any other nation. So you can't say they are the only Roman ones simple because they are in what was Rome. Wasn't most of the free world considered Roman during the Roman period in history?

And I could careless what the doctrine of the Vatican church says about being the only true church, doctrine is only man's way of trying to bring power to themselves by saying how much better their rules are over others.

The official name of the organization currently headed by Pope John Paul II is the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. "Roman Catholic" is just a colloquial term that everyone uses which I don't think we need to read too much into.

This is the major religions it breaks down
Abraham
Christin Judism Islam
Catholic Protestant (under Christin) Forgot Shiites
Roman Orthodox(under catholic) Any other(under Protestant)

If you're white and liberal and don't "hate" yourself, then the only reason you are a political liberal is because you were raised one and haven't learned to think for yourself. It is inconceivable that a person should be a political liberal and actually LOVE true LIBERTY. (Liberty by the way is not absolute freedom, but rather freedom within the boundaries of morality). No, a true liberal feels sorry that they were born white and feels like they owe black Americans something, and that the best way for black Americans to "feel at home" is to make yet another Goddammed government programme to sap the wallets of hard working Americans, and pat the criminal on the back and say "I know that you are a criminal because of white oppression". If this is not you, then you need to think about changing your politcal position.

I'm white and further left then most (American style) liberals, I was raised in a rather conservative household. I'm not self-loathing or white hating or any moronic term you can try to pin on me. Liberty is freedom, pure and simple, liberty is the freedom to do as you please, regardless of what others think. Morals play no part in liberty, if you feel something is immoral, don't do it. The only time liberty should be curtailed is when one's actions negatively affect another.

I don't feel like I owe 'black' people something, I feel like we all owe society alot. Help your fellow man because cooperation is beneficial to society, when you help others it does help you in the end.

Or you can just be an angry jackass and make assumptions about everyone who isn't like you.

If we want to talk religion why don't we start a different thread/post.

funny second thread i screwed up. First i turned why i hate america to ww2 and now bully help to catholic beliefs

funny second thread i screwed up. First i turned why i hate america to ww2 and now bully help to catholic beliefs
I'm sure I have done it myself. I was raised catholic and love to talk religion. I am not longer catholic, but Baha'i. If you want to start a new thread I will comment.

Originally Posted by Ivallice
Other ethnic groups may also be at a disadvantage, like Irish people for example. However, in teh case of the Irish, they have been grouped together with what are considered the other "white" ethnicities, and therefore have no right to complain as an Irish white person is no different from an English white person.

Spoken like someone who hasn't got a clue about American history.

Ok then, enlighten me.

I know for a fact Irish people were discriminated against at the begining of the century. I guess that is the historical inaccurracy you were refering to.

The last comment was refering the stance of a white Irish person in todays north american society. In the past they were not considered white (yes this is true, they were considered dark skinned), and now they are.

What I'm trying to say is, that if an Irish person of a low social standing tried to blame his misfortune on the racism and oppression which his ancestors were the victems of, It would not be the same as if a black person did it.

Yes, but that's still a difference, enough to categorize people.

In terms of the amount of genetic divergence (not the type of divergence) the difference between the average jew and the average black is the same as the differece between the average black and the average black.

All the genetic methods of categorizing race are innapplicable. The only real way to categorize race is by examining society.

Dude, weak!

It takes far more strength to react to anger with kindness. It takes a lot more self-control to not hit someone. The ability to treat your enemies with gentle sympathy is far more powerful than swinging a baseball bat.

So there's this girl in my chorus class. I'm white, she's black, and she doesn't like me. I dont' necessarily care for her either. I think she's loud and obnoxious and expects everyone not of her color to bend over backwords for her, and that PISSES me off.
Anyway, our problems started the day we were rehersing for our chorus concert. She hits me while she's getting up on the riser behind me and I said, "Excuse you!". She starts going off being all loud saying shit like. "I'm going to cut that white bitch up!" blah blah blah. That night, after the concert, we were the last people waiting for rides. She comes up to me and spits right next to me, coming like, within an inch of spitting in my face. One of her friends made a comment about it, and before I knew it I was yelling at her, calling her a bitch, and she continued the, "I'm going to cut that white bitch up" shit, even though she never fucking made the move.
Things stayed fairly normal until yesterday, when I was walking down the hallway and she rammed into me, intentionally, in the hallway. She doesn't want to fight, obviously, otherwise she would have pulled something already. I don't know what to do. I'm a good kid and don't want a fight on my record, but my GOD I want to kick the shit out of her because I feel so disrespected.
Advice, anyone?
dosnt seem to me that your a racist it seems your a realist and a just starting to see how a large portion of the world works, my sugjestion is to totaly ignor her and if it comes to it then show her what you are made of.

(and some people wonder why the a wn's out there)

So there's this girl in my chorus class. I'm white, she's black, and she doesn't like me. I dont' necessarily care for her either. I think she's loud and obnoxious and expects everyone not of her color to bend over backwords for her, and that PISSES me off.
Anyway, our problems started the day we were rehersing for our chorus concert. She hits me while she's getting up on the riser behind me and I said, "Excuse you!". She starts going off being all loud saying shit like. "I'm going to cut that white bitch up!" blah blah blah. That night, after the concert, we were the last people waiting for rides. She comes up to me and spits right next to me, coming like, within an inch of spitting in my face. One of her friends made a comment about it, and before I knew it I was yelling at her, calling her a bitch, and she continued the, "I'm going to cut that white bitch up" shit, even though she never fucking made the move.
Things stayed fairly normal until yesterday, when I was walking down the hallway and she rammed into me, intentionally, in the hallway. She doesn't want to fight, obviously, otherwise she would have pulled something already. I don't know what to do. I'm a good kid and don't want a fight on my record, but my GOD I want to kick the shit out of her because I feel so disrespected.
Advice, anyone?


She's all mouth. Most of them are. I know from experience. I would say ignore it .. but also from my experience ignoring her probably won't help to stop it. I don't know what to tell ya. But if she ever does lay a hand on you or if you just can't take her loud ass mouth anymore.. deck her. Don't holler or scream at her .. just cold clock her. The 2 times I had to do that.. the bitches would go out of their way to not evan walk past me anymore.

It takes far more strength to react to anger with kindness. It takes a lot more self-control to not hit someone. The ability to treat your enemies with gentle sympathy is far more powerful than swinging a baseball bat.

Sorry, but when a person threatens to do me harm, I do not wait to see if they actually do it. I respond. Sure it takes more strength to be nice and all of that shit, but if you keep turning the other cheek, people will keep walking over you. My philosophy is to "Walk Softly, Carry a Big Stick"! Basically don't take crap from people, and walk tall! Look at prison life, if someone disrespects you, you have to immediately stand up for yourself and stop that behavior.

So what would happen then if this chick eventually stabs her, even if she was going well out of her way to be kind to her? Would an action that would have discouraged her seem proper?

BTW telling on someone only leads to more tension as basically it's your word against them. Just because they may get kicked out of school does not mean your problem will be over. Heck she could be waiting around the corner from school with a freaking gun.

So what would happen then if this chick eventually stabs her, even if she was going well out of her way to be kind to her? Would an action that would have discouraged her seem proper?


So what happens when Jenn beats this girl down and 12 of the girls' friends come back at Jenn with knives? I don't care who you say you are, there is a limit to fighting ability. There is no limit to acts of kindness.

Somebody has to end the cycle of violence. The stronger person will do that.

Sorry, but when a person threatens to do me harm, I do not wait to see if they actually do it. I respond. Sure it takes more strength to be nice and all of that shit, but if you keep turning the other cheek, people will keep walking over you. My philosophy is to "Walk Softly, Carry a Big Stick"! Basically don't take crap from people, and walk tall! Look at prison life, if someone disrespects you, you have to immediately stand up for yourself and stop that behavior.

So what would happen then if this chick eventually stabs her, even if she was going well out of her way to be kind to her? Would an action that would have discouraged her seem proper?

BTW telling on someone only leads to more tension as basically it's your word against them. Just because they may get kicked out of school does not mean your problem will be over. Heck she could be waiting around the corner from school with a freaking gun.

I wholeheartedly agree with "Walk Softly and Carry a Big Stick".

As long as you aren't the one in the wrong .. meaning starting shit , then you shouldn't have a heavy conscience for taking up for yourself.

Expose her to the authorities as the racist bully that she is.

You're from Sweden so things might be different there but black people here in the US are rather uptight about these things.
What, so racist black people in the USA think that they can be as nasty as they want to towards white people, but that they think they should be protected?

So what happens when Jenn beats this girl down and 12 of the girls' friends come back at Jenn with knives? I don't care who you say you are, there is a limit to fighting ability. There is no limit to acts of kindness.

Somebody has to end the cycle of violence. The stronger person will do that.


Usually when you beat someone so bad (that they have to go to the ER), word on the street will be that you are one bad mothF'er. Respect on the street sometimes occurs this way. Even if 12 chicks would come after her, and killed her, she would die knowing she stood her ground and protected her name.

I think you've been watching too many PSA about violence. You yourself know you can't reason with everyone, that is when violence is needed.

One night many years ago, I was coming out of my watering hole. Next thing about 5 guys jumped me. I didn't have my gun on me so it was all up to me. Let's just say two of them ran away, one limped away. Two more were carried away, one of those never did wake up. I lost some teeth, bruised kidney, and ruptured spleen, but I stood up for myself. What would have happened if I offered them brownies or muffins? 12 people are alot but there are so many targets in that amount of people. Secret is never turn your back on them, if you can run for it, get the hell out of there.

Somebody has to end the cycle of violence. The stronger person will do that.

The cycle of violence is broken when the weaker person is broken!

But racism? Get over yourself. If she called you "that leather jacket wearing bitch" or "that red-haired bitch", would THAT be racism?

If she had called the black girl a "black bitch" I'm sure most would say it was racist. Why the double standard?

Expose her to the authorities as the racist bully that she is.


What, so racist black people in the USA think that they can be as nasty as they want to towards white people, but that they think they should be protected?
I never said that. I pointed out that there are some hypocritical black people who are uptight about what other people can call them, yet they themselves are racist and insulting to whites.

I wholeheartedly agree with "Walk Softly and Carry a Big Stick".

As long as you aren't the one in the wrong .. meaning starting shit , then you shouldn't have a heavy conscience for taking up for yourself.

Like fredrick the great did. He disguised himself as a beggar and wapped people who were walking wrong and doing illegal stuff

So what happens when Jenn beats this girl down and 12 of the girls' friends come back at Jenn with knives? I don't care who you say you are, there is a limit to fighting ability. There is no limit to acts of kindness.

Somebody has to end the cycle of violence. The stronger person will do that.

If that happens then she could have her more friends with explosives jump them back

Even if 12 chicks would come after her, and killed her, she would die knowing she stood her ground and protected her name. :rolleyes: Yeah, that's make it all worthwhile. The death thing I mean. Who cares if you die if you stood up for yourself?


One night many years ago, I was coming out of my watering hole. Next thing about 5 guys jumped me. I didn't have my gun on me so it was all up to me. Let's just say two of them ran away, one limped away. Two more were carried away, one of those never did wake up. I lost some teeth, bruised kidney, and ruptured spleen, but I stood up for myself. :p Well it's your story, you tell it any way you want. But considering your reputation for bullshit Johnny, I'm sure you'll understand if we snort in our coffee and scroll down to the next post.

If that happens then she could have her more friends with explosives jump them back

Yeah ... nothing like continuing the cycle of violence.

I stand by my original response to this situation. Muffins and a Hallmark card.

That sort of thing has never failed to work for me and I have never been "beaten down" in my life. Threatened? Sure ... who hasn't? My response to it with kindness, however, has always been met with deflation of the situation.

I also never get "walked over" as some would suggest could happen.

You cannot fight for peace any more than you can fuck for virginity.

Its not racism, it cannot be under the definition of racism:

power + prejudice = racism

As an african american she has no societal power over white people.

Not this BS again. Blacks can be, and in some cases are, racist. Racism is a form of collectivism that holds that a man's intellectual ideas and moral character are formed by his race—i.e., his physiology, and ancestry—rather then by the content of their character—i.e., his choices and actions.

Not this BS again. Blacks can be, and in some cases are, racist. Racism is a form of collectivism that holds that a man's intellectual ideas and moral character are formed by his race—i.e., his physiology, and ancestry—rather then by the content of their character—i.e., his choices and actions.
to tell the truth i have heard more racist coments from non whites than i have whites, i cant rember how many time i've been called crak'a, ect..., ect...

and then if i try to make a coment back its no longer "joking" it's racism

and it is further pushed in to socity by the hip-hop culture

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hmmm how to word this without pissing anyone off...

segregation ended how many decades ago?
slavery ended, what, 160 years ago?

are we going to be beating our heads against walls for another 160 years? :headbang:

and yes i say 'black' people because there is nothing offensive about it, nor do i mean it to be offensive. i know many black people, none of whom were born in Africa. doesn't make much sense to call them 'African Americans.' I don't insist that people call me 'european-american' because an ancestor of mine was born there 5 generations ago. i'm white. call me white. i don't care.

someone showed me a transcript, maybe from 60 minutes, about this. it said things like "if 70% of people who are arrested in an area are black where 70% of the population is black, that isn't profiling" and "it's ok to have miss black america and jet magazine, but as soon as you have miss white america and cloud magazing, look out"

equal rights does not mean special rights.