NationStates Jolt Archive

Love it or hate it, America does have flaws. It has killed millions of innocent people in the last 50 years, but it's saved its share of deaths, too. It's has many laws that protect your rights, but it's not most free in the world. The rich own almost everything in this country, but its population is one of the wealthiest in the world too. We oppress the third world, but sometimes we liberate them too.

Whats America's biggest flaw?

I can't wait for all those stereotypcial "America-hating liberals" I've heard so much about to come to this thread :D

(jk)

I can't wait for all those stereotypcial "America-hating liberals" I've heard so much about to come to this thread :D

(jk)
Wll, I'm one myself. But I wanted to make it fair to both sides.

Other! (from a dirty stinkin' foreigner)

Power projection. I can't stand the fact that the UK is in Iraq.

Boxer, Kerry, Kennedy, Chomsky, Moore, Byrd, Carter, Buchanan, Falwell,

Their government.

I can't wait for all those stereotypcial "America-hating liberals" I've heard so much about to come to this thread :D

(jk)
Why are they called that? Because they dissent from the government line? Such name calling would be more at home in 1930s Japan than in America.

Why are they called that? Because they dissent from the government line? Such name calling would be more at home in 1930s Japan than in America.
I dissent all the time, but I'm libertarian - and I like my country

Oh, and stupid teachers like the ones that pull this shit:

LINCOLN -- Karen Adams always enjoyed receiving her invitation. The WPRI-TV news anchorwoman and Lincoln resident looked forward to penciling in the school district’s spelling bee in her appointment calendar.

But there’s no note in her calendar this year. The Lincoln district has decided to eliminate this year’s spelling bee -- a competition involving pupils in grades 4 through 8, with each school district winner advancing to the state competition and a chance to proceed to the national spelling bee in Washington, D.C.

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Through the years, it had become a tradition for Adams to pronounce and define spelling words used in the bee.

"It was just fun," she said last Monday from her office at the television studio.

Assistant Superintendent of Schools Linda Newman said the decision to scuttle the event was reached shortly after the January 2004 bee in a unanimous decision by herself and the district’s elementary school principals.

The administrators decided to eliminate the spelling bee, because they feel it runs afoul of the mandates of the federal No Child Left Behind Act.

"No Child Left Behind says all kids must reach high standards," Newman said. "It’s our responsibility to find as many ways as possible to accomplish this."

The administrators agreed, Newman said, that a spelling bee doesn’t meet the criteria of all children reaching high standards -- because there can only be one winner, leaving all other students behind.

"It’s about one kid winning, several making it to the top and leaving all others behind. That’s contrary to No Child Left Behind," Newman said.

A spelling bee, she continued, is about "some kids being winners, some kids being losers."

As a result, the spelling bee "sends a message that this isn’t an all-kids movement," Newman said.

Furthermore, professional organizations now frown on competition at the elementary school level and are urging participation in activities that avoid winners, Newman said. That’s why there are no sports teams at the elementary level, she said as an example.

The emphasis today, she said, is on building self-esteem in all students.

"You have to build positive self-esteem for all kids, so they believe they’re all winners," she said. "You want to build positive self-esteem so that all kids can get to where they want to go."

A spelling bee only benefits a few, not all, students, the elementary principals and Newman agreed, so it was canceled.

While she concedes she’s not familiar with the specifics of No Child Left Behind, Adams, nevertheless, is befuddled by the school department’s decision.

"I don’t see where that (No Child Left Behind) has anything to do with a spelling bee. It was just a fun time," Adams said.

Winning a spelling bee, she added, "just meant you were a good speller."

One aspect she enjoyed about participating in her hometown spelling bee was the openness of the competition.

"It’s not always the straight "A" student who wins the spelling bee," she said.

A spelling bee also is a chance for children to shine before their peers, family and friends, Adams points out.

"It’s a big deal for the kids. It’s a nice recognition for them," she said.

Competing in a spelling bee is also a learning experience, the anchorwoman believes. "It was fun for the kids because it gave them poise and confidence to stand in front of a crowd."

Adams admits she’ll miss the bee.

"I just loved the kids. They were so cute. My heart broke every time a kid missed," she said. "I really enjoyed it."

Adams wasn’t the only one caught off guard by the spelling bee’s cancellation.

"I had no idea this (spelling bee) was called off," School Committee Chairman Jeff Weiss said last Friday.

The chairman reserved further comment until he could get more information. "I have no comment because I don’t know what’s going on," the chairman said.

Canceling the spelling bee is an administrative decision that doesn’t require School Committee approval, Newman said.

Karen Martin, whose daughter, Brianna, won last year’s bee, said she was surprised the bee had been eliminated, describing its cancellation as "strange."

Although her daughter was nervous, Martin believes it was a good experience for Brianna. "It was exciting to go to the state competition," the mother said.

Like Adams, Martin said she’ll miss the bee.

"I’m disappointed. I thought it was a fun activity," she said.

The administrators’ decision to eliminate the bee wasn’t a difficult one, Newman said.

"There was no debate at all. It was one of the easiest decisions," the assistant superintendent said because "there was no question among the administrators" that a spelling bee was "contrary to the expectations" of No Child Left Behind.

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=13834334&BRD=1712&PAG=461&dept_id=478996&rfi=6

Depressingly hilarious, Armed Bookworms.

I think my concerns with my country is that we're in need of taking a deep look at ourselves and our culture (I kinda wish that we'd shift to the conservative in some areas and liberal in the others)

Historical ignorance.

i hate our whole government. First they attack poor defenseless nations. Then they refuse to help aggressive self genocidal nations like North Korea since they kill every non politcal prisoner. They then throw the native americans out. They refused to keep with britain for next to no reason. I am is it that hard to pay for tea and ask for parliament representation or revolt until they got that representation. I mean if america was still with britain then it would be the most powerful nation. Japanese internment camps. Stupid laws such as if they don't say burning hot on a coffee cup and you get burnt since you are an idiot then you could sue for millions of dollars and stuff like that. Then there are more but i m to lazy to type.

HATE is much to strong a word for it


but


i hate that we have become a country full of people who idolize the rich and famous BECAUSE they are rich and famous, regardless of their actions and character.

Nothing. Theres plenty that could be improved about America but to say you hate it because of that flaw is pretty childish.

Nothing. Theres plenty that could be improved about America but to say you hate it because of that flaw is pretty childish.
The question isn't "Why do you hate America?" it's "What do you hate the most about America?"

What I hate about America is its' willful, smug and even prideful ignorance of anything that lies beyond the scope of its' wants, needs or whims.

The question isn't "Why do you hate America?" it's "What do you hate the most about America?"

My apologies, I thought this was just another of those threads.

Well If forced to choose, I'd go with the americanization of every city in the world.

Love it or hate it, America does have flaws. It has killed millions of innocent people in the last 50 years, but it's saved its share of deaths, too. It's has many laws that protect your rights, but it's not most free in the world. The rich own almost everything in this country, but its population is one of the wealthiest in the world too. We oppress the third world, but sometimes we liberate them too.

Whats America's biggest flaw?

Just one thing ... idiots who refuse to believe there's anything good about the US, saying things like our "lack of feeling for the poor and homeless," which is utter bullshit.

The killing, the destruction and the higher than normal amounts of homophobia.

There are many things good and bad about the United States.

here's some of the stuff that is wrong with the U.S. -


environmental destruction (if there weren't people who fought for it's preservation then we would be in a dirty ass wasteland)
The Bush Administration - i.e. the religious right (not Republicans as I can see many good things about Republican ideals. theres something to be said about small govt, fiscal responsibility and preserving tradition/culture)
The growing gap between the rich and poor. (Just because youa re born in a capatalist country doesn't mean you should be forced to live an oppulant lifestyle and hunger for more and more money or even emulate the wealthy. If you so choose to live a simple lifestyle without being a consumerist then you should have that choice. In our society you really dont because you have to work your ass off just to barely get by.)
The public educational system. (It is wholley unfair that if you are born into a poor family in a poor neighborhood that your public school is many times worse off than a public school in a rich neighborhood. I've been to both and can tell you that that is exactly how it is. Education is one of the most important things a person could receive, but it seems like our system is built to keep the poor stupid and poor. Plus look at how we think of Chris Columbus as some hort of hero rather than the disgusting cold-blooded murderer that he is. Do they teach you that in school? no. Also look at how ignorant we are of other countries around us in general. Its really a sad state of affairs.)

gah, this is depressing I'll stop there - (There are a billion good things to be said too, but you didn't ask that.)

Nothing. Theres plenty that could be improved about America but to say you hate it because of that flaw is pretty childish.

Their flaw? Here is the A comical american history from my perspective. Not to be taken seriously.

British: Enters: You dump tea pay for it.
America: No we decalre war on you.
French: We will join you
Prussia: Damn British i hate them all. I also hate you. So i will train you so you can kill each other

Some how america wins

America: Savages go away.
Native americans: No
America: Then we will forceably remove you

Guess who wins. At least native americans don't have to pay income taxes.

South: North stop making fun of us and there is nothing wrong with slaves
North: Yes there is
South: No there isn't
North: Yes there is
South: Fine we might cecede

Civil war starts

Some how the north wins due to Total War

Serious time:

America: Look singers who aren't to great and musicians. Lets pay $8 for one cd to make one talented people rich.
America: Look athletes lets give the several million dollars a year so they dont have to work and play all day but not the sports that are actually hard like boxing and wrestling. Boxing maybe a hundred thous a year and lets screw up wrestling and make it fake then give them a million dollars a year.
America: Look actors/actresses lets give them a million dollars for being in a play.
America: Lets hate religion especially Catholicism. Lets let every religious symbol allowed in school but the cross
America: Lets allow gay marriage
American foreign policies
America: Lets go to war with iraq because we have no proof that their weapons of mass destruction exist but not north korea for they have nukes that could attack California and kill people in jail who were in jail for singing a south korean song or being related to a law breaker
America: WW1 started. Lets claim to be neutral allowing us for free trade with both sides as long as we dont sell weapons but sell weapons to the allies which would make us an ally and complain when wilhelm uses unrestricted subermarine warfare
America: After ww1 lets make germany mad and stronger by making them the poorest country in the world, breaking them up, allowing an evil man take over and dont notice that they are building an illegal army in that one truck, and let them hear of britains plans of what would later be known as a blitzKrieg

The public educational system. (It is wholley unfair that if you are born into a poor family in a poor neighborhood that your public school is many times worse off than a public school in a rich neighborhood. I've been to both and can tell you that that is exactly how it is. Education is one of the most important things a person could receive, but it seems like our system is built to keep the poor stupid and poor. Plus look at how we think of Chris Columbus as some hort of hero rather than the disgusting cold-blooded murderer that he is. Do they teach you that in school? no. Also look at how ignorant we are of other countries around us in general. Its really a sad state of affairs.)

This really doesn't have to do with funding though. Some of the best-funded schools in the US are in DC. They are all extremely shitty.

There are many things good and bad about the United States.

here's some of the stuff that is wrong with the U.S. -


environmental destruction (if there weren't people who fought for it's preservation then we would be in a dirty ass wasteland)
The Bush Administration - i.e. the religious right (not Republicans as I can see many good things about Republican ideals. theres something to be said about small govt, fiscal responsibility and preserving tradition/culture)
The growing gap between the rich and poor. (Just because youa re born in a capatalist country doesn't mean you should be forced to live an oppulant lifestyle and hunger for more and more money or even emulate the wealthy. If you so choose to live a simple lifestyle without being a consumerist then you should have that choice. In our society you really dont because you have to work your ass off just to barely get by.)
The public educational system. (It is wholley unfair that if you are born into a poor family in a poor neighborhood that your public school is many times worse off than a public school in a rich neighborhood. I've been to both and can tell you that that is exactly how it is. Education is one of the most important things a person could receive, but it seems like our system is built to keep the poor stupid and poor. Plus look at how we think of Chris Columbus as some hort of hero rather than the disgusting cold-blooded murderer that he is. Do they teach you that in school? no. Also look at how ignorant we are of other countries around us in general. Its really a sad state of affairs.)

gah, this is depressing I'll stop there - (There are a billion good things to be said too, but you didn't ask that.)


Are you one of the hippies who say "Well we have a larger forest area and more trees now then fifty years ago but not more forest land" kidding

I hate religious freedom. I mean its nice to worship my god in my catholic way but it allows my arch enemys to be satanists and witches

I hate capitalism

I agree with you on education. Columbus wasnt even italian and lief erickson was the true founder of america.

This really doesn't have to do with funding though. Some of the best-funded schools in the US are in DC. They are all extremely shitty.

then what is it? Why dont we take examples of how to run a school from countries that produce good smart students?

also yet it is partly about funding. I;ve seen the difference between schools in rich and poor areas and the ones in rich areas seemed like private schools to me. I was amazed at how wonderful it was to attend them.

THe demonization of any non-republican or non-conservative as unpatriotic. As Jefferson said, Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.

THe demonization of any non-republican or non-conservative as unpatriotic. As Jefferson said, Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.
Heck, there are even conservatives that dissent!

I hate the immigrant's push for this "multiculturalism" bullshit.
It doesnt benefit America, or the American people....only them.
By definition, there cannot be more than one culture within a defined area. They dont give to shits about our culture, and they are using our own laws to get whatever they want.

For example, we could say that part of our culture is that NYPD officers wear a specific hat, supplied as part of their uniform. Several years ago, a Sikh man took a case all the way to the Supreme Court. He wanted to wear his turban on the job, and obviously the NYPD said no.
Long story short...the judge ruled against the NYPD and allowed the non-American to wear a goddamn turban instead of the standard issue police cap because they were infringing on his religious freedoms. Talk about BULLSHIT.
Another example comes from Canada where a Supreme Court judge ruled in favor of allowing a Sikh boy to carry a 6-inch dagger to school every day because it was his religion. What about the safety of the other students? What about the laws that say people cannot carry concealed weapons? (What the hell is wrong with judges these days?)

Anyway, the point is: American laws were made for Americans. Yet, here we are allowing foreigners to twist our laws in order to get whatever they want. Multi-culturalism simply cannot exist because the host culture has to suffer in order for the other to exist.

I dont care which country you live in, stand up for your culture! Fight foreign invasion! Whether they come with guns or immigration papers, foreigners can be a threat to your culture and national soverignty at large. North American (Western) culture is being destroyed by non-Whites and their cultural and religious beliefs.

I call to my fellow Americans, and neighbours up in Canada, DEFEND YOUR COUNTRY!

America: Look singers who aren't to great and musicians. Lets pay $8 for one cd to make one talented people rich.


$8? I wish. They're usually closer to $20 around here. :-\

I hate the immigrant's push for this "multiculturalism" bullshit.
It doesnt benefit America, or the American people....only them.
By definition, there cannot be more than one culture within a defined area. They dont give to shits about our culture, and they are using our own laws to get whatever they want.

For example, we could say that part of our culture is that NYPD officers wear a specific hat, supplied as part of their uniform. Several years ago, a Sikh man took a case all the way to the Supreme Court. He wanted to wear his turban on the job, and obviously the NYPD said no.
Long story short...the judge ruled against the NYPD and allowed the non-American to wear a goddamn turban instead of the standard issue police cap because they were infringing on his religious freedoms. Talk about BULLSHIT.
Another example comes from Canada where a Supreme Court judge ruled in favor of allowing a Sikh boy to carry a 6-inch dagger to school every day because it was his religion. What about the safety of the other students? What about the laws that say people cannot carry concealed weapons? (What the hell is wrong with judges these days?)

Anyway, the point is: American laws were made for Americans. Yet, here we are allowing foreigners to twist our laws in order to get whatever they want. Multi-culturalism simply cannot exist because the host culture has to suffer in order for the other to exist.

I dont care which country you live in, stand up for your culture! Fight foreign invasion! Whether they come with guns or immigration papers, foreigners can be a threat to your culture and national soverignty at large. North American (Western) culture is being destroyed by non-Whites and their cultural and religious beliefs.

I call to my fellow Americans, and neighbours up in Canada, DEFEND YOUR COUNTRY!

My family moved to America in the 1940s. Am I an American yet?

My family moved to America in the 1940s. Am I an American yet?

What is your herritage?

What is your herritage?

Italian.

What is your herritage?
this question coming from somebody who claims unwavering support for the white nationalist movement . . . :rolleyes:

$8? I wish. They're usually closer to $20 around here. :-\

didnt know for i hate music it was a guesstamit

Italian.
Of course! Italians were some of the hardest working men and women who built Canada! And, to some extent, the United States of America. You are more than welcome in our country

As much as the Bush Administration pisses me off (and they're good at it),
I have to say "other".

A vast majority of our people in this country are fat, lazy, and uneducated.

A study has shown (I beleive it was from "Scientific American") that said more than 50% of our population beleives that mankind and dinosaurs existed in harmony. To quote someone I saw who was voting for bush "I don't think he did a good job as Governor, but I think he'll do a better job as a president." Stupid! Idiotic!

A vast of our population is also fat. There should be a "Fat Tax." Fat americans cause us to pay a higher tax rate on Health Care. Why should we pay more taxes because of other peoples problems/faults? Sure some of the obesity is heritage, or metabolism problems, but most of the fat people are due to lazyness (watching TV, Eating Fast Foods, ect). They also don't want to take the responsibility of taking care of their own bodies.

This comes to the lazy part. Most (heck, probably all) hate to pay their taxes or take on their own responsibility. Here is the tax issue:
No one wants to pay their taxes. Hell, who doesn't? It's time consuming, it takes up a lot of energy, and causes familly conflics. But here is the catch:
Don't pay your taxes, you'll get things taken away from you. Of course, the american public typically beleives in "Get something for nothing," so my sports programs at my High School district nearly came to a close, only saved by the "Pay for Play" program which, ironicly, has been declaired illegal (I came accross this on CBS's evening news) by CT's courts.
Before this happened, people were complaining about the "pay for play"
issues my high school has. Well, if you want sports, you got to pay your taxes. My high school has the best football, and wrestling teams in the state (won state championships several times in a row).
What people have to realise is that we need taxes, not tax breaks.
You can not get something for nothing, or out of nothing.

If anything other than the bush administration, this has to make me dissaprove (hate is kind of a strong word if you ask me) of my country.

I hate the immigrant's push for this "multiculturalism" bullshit.
It doesnt benefit America, or the American people....only them.
By definition, there cannot be more than one culture within a defined area. They dont give to shits about our culture, and they are using our own laws to get whatever they want.

For example, we could say that part of our culture is that NYPD officers wear a specific hat, supplied as part of their uniform. Several years ago, a Sikh man took a case all the way to the Supreme Court. He wanted to wear his turban on the job, and obviously the NYPD said no.
Long story short...the judge ruled against the NYPD and allowed the non-American to wear a goddamn turban instead of the standard issue police cap because they were infringing on his religious freedoms. Talk about BULLSHIT.
Another example comes from Canada where a Supreme Court judge ruled in favor of allowing a Sikh boy to carry a 6-inch dagger to school every day because it was his religion. What about the safety of the other students? What about the laws that say people cannot carry concealed weapons? (What the hell is wrong with judges these days?)

Anyway, the point is: American laws were made for Americans. Yet, here we are allowing foreigners to twist our laws in order to get whatever they want. Multi-culturalism simply cannot exist because the host culture has to suffer in order for the other to exist.

I dont care which country you live in, stand up for your culture! Fight foreign invasion! Whether they come with guns or immigration papers, foreigners can be a threat to your culture and national soverignty at large. North American (Western) culture is being destroyed by non-Whites and their cultural and religious beliefs.

I call to my fellow Americans, and neighbours up in Canada, DEFEND YOUR COUNTRY!

i already have a plan to legally cede from america. I'll say that it is against my culture to live in a place surronded by people who hate me and that the ninth amendmant says that every american has rights not listed in the constitution. How the hell is carrying a 6inch dagger part of religion. Whats next allowing satanist to practice satanism with human sacrifices. Revelution like the french because of too much freedom. Obey hobbes. Humans are evil.

Jibea, if America never existed, the Nazi's would rule the world right about now. Britain and Russia could not have won WW2 without America's help, and if America had still belonged to Britain, they wouldn't have been much help.

However, being an American...I may not agree with what you say, but I will sue to the death for your right to say it.

Jibea, if America never existed, the Nazi's would rule the world right about now. Britain and Russia could not have won WW2 without America's help.

Wow! What a load of kike crap!

The Nazis were NEVER out for "world domination."
You CANT control thw whole world!

Britain and Russian were doing a decent job without the help of America, and probably would have won without them anyway.

Jibea, if America never existed, the Nazi's would rule the world right about now. Britain and Russia could not have won WW2 without America's help, and if America had still belonged to Britain, they wouldn't have been much help.

However, being an American...I may not agree with what you say, but I will sue to the death for your right to say it.

I love your last line. Spoken like a true american but it was taken from voltaire and might be copy righted. WW2 wouldnt have happened if germany won ww1 but ww1 wouldn't have existed because napolean would've failed and he would've failed because america is huge but then ireland would've killed all the British and annexed britain and america to make a super american

I hate religious freedom. I mean its nice to worship my god in my catholic way but it allows my arch enemys to be satanists and witches

I hate capitalism

I agree with you on education. Columbus wasnt even italian and lief erickson was the true founder of america.
OMG! An Authoritarian Leftist Viking! f*king awezomz!

A vast of our population is also fat. There should be a "Fat Tax."
One of the parties in my country suggested that there should be a tax on fatty foods to discourage fat people from buying them. (Well, they didn't word it quite like that.)

What I hate about the US? the wrong half of the people.
They envie us our freedom in the EU but what I hate most is:http://www.indybay.org/news/2004/04/1679030.php

For the rest, nice people, specially the ones with a bright vision on the world thank's to their stay or studies abroad in the EU or else.

How fat they are. 2/3 of the population overweight. WTF?

Jibea, Napolean did fail. WW1 still happened.EVen if WW1 still happened, Hitler still could have come to power. There may not have been a WW2, but the world would still be run by Nazis

the ridiculously inegalitarian distribution of wealth, power, education, healthcare, etc.

I honestly am surprised that I am the only one that answered the question with this answer: Our financial assistance for those that don’t work. I don't know about every other American, but I am appalled at this situation. I am going to school to be a teacher and have completed extensive hours working with students within the public school arena. There are too many children who have no drive to work. For example, a seventh grader told me that she wanted to grow up to be on welfare (that is the example her mother has set for her). These children have no desire to work; therefore, these children have no desire to learn.
Instead of promoting absolute financial security, America needs to stop coddling people and get people employed. Unfortunately for unskilled people, it pays more to live on welfare than to work at Target. Don't get me wrong, I was laid off of work the Spring following 9/11. I appreciated the system helping me get by when times were hard, but I had to go out an find employment- not because the government told me, but because I could not allow the government to continually pay my way.
Does anyone wonder why American's are known as lazy? There are too many people riding the system. There is no incentive to work!! That is disheartening!!!
So anyway, I will get off my soapbox...

The man problem with America is that our goverment is far to big. The right wants to censor our voices and tell us who we can and can't marry,while the left tries to sodomize our second amendment rights and send the money (that tax-payers labored hard for) to people who don't even work for christhumping sakes.

Hitler still could have come to power. There may not have been a WW2, but the world would still be run by Nazis

I'm trying hard not to flame here......but...........
How could the Nazis run the whole world????

My vote went to Other.
What really bothers me is the continued persistence that we are the "Leaders of the Free World".
I'm not sure that we're quite there yet. It's probably arrogant for us to assume that any other country wants our particular brand of "Freedom". Namely, the Chrisitan one. I don't know that Muslims like the sound of that, and for them it's all about religion. Everything is.
They're very committed.

That's my biggest complaint. I still love my country, even though it has some faults.

Wow! What a load of kike crap!

The Nazis were NEVER out for "world domination."
You CANT control thw whole world!

Britain and Russian were doing a decent job without the help of America, and probably would have won without them anyway.

Wrong. Britain would've lost russia has 90-10 chance.

Ghengis kahn conquered 75% of the world because the america werent encountered.

The nazis were after world domination to puify the human race of subhumans and try to make a race of superhumans.

Hate is too strong a word. I am more dissapointed by the ignorance and lack of understanding that Americans and in particular this admininstration show concerning the rest of the world.

I wish generally Americans were more worldly.

There aren't enough extremists running around.

The nazis were after world domination to puify the human race of subhumans and try to make a race of superhumans.+

That is a bit simple, are you?

Wrong. Britain would've lost russia has 90-10 chance.

Ghengis kahn conquered 75% of the world because the america werent encountered.

Ghengis Kahn + America = WRONG FUCKING TIME IN HISTORY!

read a book!

The nazis were after world domination to puify the human race of subhumans and try to make a race of superhumans.

Purify the human race? Once again....READ A BOOK!

Jibea, Napolean did fail. WW1 still happened.EVen if WW1 still happened, Hitler still could have come to power. There may not have been a WW2, but the world would still be run by Nazis

When i mean fail i mean before leipzig and the continental system. He would be like a lesser Louis 16

[QUOTE=The Hitler Jugend]I hate the immigrant's push for this "multiculturalism" bullshit.
It doesnt benefit America, or the American people....only them.

One of my favorite things about America is that today, in non-provinical areas like say Boston, you simply can walk down the street and learn so many things about so many different types of people. Its neat that Chinese people still get married in red dresses when they've been in America for six generations, even though they eat the same food, watch the same TV shows, and live lives similar to their neighboors of other races. The fact that diversity may peacefully coexist with a united populace is one of the true beauties of America.



By definition, there cannot be more than one culture within a defined area.

By whose definition? Please cite your source.



They dont give to shits about our culture, and they are using our own laws to get whatever they want...Yet, here we are allowing foreigners to twist our laws in order to get whatever they want. Multi-culturalism simply cannot exist because the host culture has to suffer in order for the other to exist.

Um, WASPs abuse the law in just the same way. Human nature is to do bad things, and many humans, regardless of their race or culture, misbehave. This is an entirely seperate issue. If you were debating this, you would surely lose just for that non-point.



Anyway, the point is: American laws were made for Americans.
Define "Americans"

I dont care which country you live in, stand up for your culture!
Do you realize that you are contradicting the thesis of your whole arguement?

Ghengis Kahn + America = WRONG FUCKING TIME IN HISTORY!

read a book!



Purify the human race? Once again....READ A BOOK!

I know a hell lot of war history. I never said Ghengis Kahn went to America. All i said was he conquered 75% of the world because the encounter didn't happen yet.

There are too many children who have no drive to work.

why should they want to work? work sucks. and all you get from it is the chance to make some rich guy even richer, while working yourself to an early grave.

and sometimes a spiffy looking name tag.

Well i love americaand i hate hitler... hows that for an answer.

Hitler did want to purify europe in the least. He did believe Aryans were the master race and he supported Eugenics.

Also if he had defeated France England Russia And America who would have been left? Japan and thats about it. He also would have had all those conqured nations empires. So it was not too much of a stretch to say he wanted it all.

Do you realize that you are contradicting the thesis of your whole arguement?

I cant, and wont debate you for 2 reasons:

1) You dont know how to quote
2) The line I quoted from you destroys any hint of intelligence I had about you.

Ghengis Kahn + America = WRONG FUCKING TIME IN HISTORY!

read a book!



Purify the human race? Once again....READ A BOOK!

I know a hell lot of war history. I never said Ghengis Kahn went to America. All i said was he conquered 75% of the world because the encounter didn't happen yet.

Hitler tried to purify the race hence the concentration camps filled with subhumans.

[QUOTE=The Hitler Jugend]I hate the immigrant's push for this "multiculturalism" bullshit.
It doesnt benefit America, or the American people....only them.

One of my favorite things about America is that today, in non-provinical areas like say Boston, you simply can walk down the street and learn so many things about so many different types of people. Its neat that Chinese people still get married in red dresses when they've been in America for six generations, even though they eat the same food, watch the same TV shows, and live lives similar to their neighboors of other races. The fact that diversity may peacefully coexist with a united populace is one of the true beauties of America.



By definition, there cannot be more than one culture within a defined area.

By whose definition? Please cite your source.



They dont give to shits about our culture, and they are using our own laws to get whatever they want...Yet, here we are allowing foreigners to twist our laws in order to get whatever they want. Multi-culturalism simply cannot exist because the host culture has to suffer in order for the other to exist.

Um, WASPs abuse the law in just the same way. Human nature is to do bad things, and many humans, regardless of their race or culture, misbehave. This is an entirely seperate issue. If you were debating this, you would surely lose just for that non-point.



Anyway, the point is: American laws were made for Americans.
Define "Americans"

I dont care which country you live in, stand up for your culture!
Do you realize that you are contradicting the thesis of your whole arguement?
Holy shit, you're comin' off strong!
Take a deep breath and rewrite the above as a sensible post.

I know a hell lot of war history. I never said Ghengis Kahn went to America. All i said was he conquered 75% of the world because the encounter didn't happen yet.

Are you honestly mentally retarded?!?!
You know a lot about war history?!?!?!

Ghengis Kahn died in 1227!
THERE WAS NO AMERICA IN 1227!!!!!!

sorry about the double answer i got an error saying no specified thread

Any way when i refer to subhumans it is the believed subhumans of ww2 not to be offensive

Any way i dont like hitler. I think he screwed up germany.

Are you honestly mentally retarded?!?!
You know a lot about war history?!?!?!

Ghengis Kahn died in 1227!
THERE WAS NO AMERICA IN 1227!!!!!!

True but the land mass still existed right?

Ghengis Kahn + America = WRONG FUCKING TIME IN HISTORY!

read a book!



Purify the human race? Once again....READ A BOOK!

What, the Mein Kampf?

I can't wait for all those stereotypcial "America-hating liberals" I've heard so much about to come to this thread :D

(jk)

I'm here! ^.^

But I voted for the enviroment. I needs to be saved! As one of my grade 9 teachers called it, our "gas-guzzling SUV culture" must be stopped!

I think he screwed up germany.

I agree. Getting a counrty out of the depression, reducing the unemployed from 6,000,000 to 300,000, and creating the foundation for the modern highway system was a bad idea.

Are you honestly mentally retarded?!?!
You know a lot about war history?!?!?!

Ghengis Kahn died in 1227!
THERE WAS NO AMERICA IN 1227!!!!!!

You call me mentally retarded lets look at your statement. You said there was no america in 1227 but there was.

I never said he went to america. I said he didnt conquer the world because america wasnt encountered by the europeans

The Encounter: When Europeans (Columbus) first discovered that there was a different continent (after amerigo)

Are you honestly mentally retarded?!?!
You know a lot about war history?!?!?!

Ghengis Kahn died in 1227!
THERE WAS NO AMERICA IN 1227!!!!!!

Don't care about the above post, but I gotta know:

Are you a NeoNazi, or just a German WWII fetishist?

I agree. Getting a counrty out of the depression, reducing the unemployed from 6,000,000 to 300,000, and creating the foundation for the modern highway system was a bad idea.
Reducing something by six million? Sounds familiar regarding Hitler.

True but the land mass still existed right?

No shit the land mass was there, its probably been there for millions of years. What does the land mass we know as America have ANYTHING to do with Kahn???

Of course! Italians were some of the hardest working men and women who built Canada! And, to some extent, the United States of America. You are more than welcome in our country
Anyone from anywhere is welcome in America, Hitler.

I cant, and wont debate you for 2 reasons:

1) You dont know how to quote
2) The line I quoted from you destroys any hint of intelligence I had about you.

Dude, I know how to quote, I just screwed something up on my comp. What do you mean "any intelligence I had about you"? If you're so American, speak English!

You call me mentally retarded lets look at your statement. You said there was no america in 1227 but there was.

I never said he went to america. I said he didnt conquer the world because america wasnt encountered by the europeans

The Encounter: When Europeans (Columbus) first discovered that there was a different continent (after amerigo)

Can anyone else decipher what this guy is trying to argue as his point? lol

No shit the land mass was there, its probably been there for millions of years. What does the land mass we know as America have ANYTHING to do with Kahn???

Well if it was there. Why didn't he conquer it? People were there to conquer right? Vikings had found a way over im sure Ghengis couls have too. You get really upset you know

I agree. Getting a counrty out of the depression, reducing the unemployed from 6,000,000 to 300,000, and creating the foundation for the modern highway system was a bad idea.

No that was good and i respect him for that but lets look at ww2

Killing subhumans

Invading european powers

Shooting his best general for disagreeing with him

Invading stalingrad after he allied with russia

Sending his best sniper to stalingrad where he was later killed

Rebreaking up of Germany*

Making Germany Communist*

*Occured after his death after a result of his action

Anyone from anywhere is welcome in America, Hitler.
For some reason, I felt a lil' sense of yeah, fuck you as well just reading that sentence.

What kind of asshole names himself Hitler Youth???

Hitler, you know you're going to have to explain that all the time.
Don't get annoyed with that kind of name.

Dude, I know how to quote, I just screwed something up on my comp. What do you mean "any intelligence I had about you"? If you're so American, speak English!

I said "any hint of intelligence"
jesus christ! you cant even quote a mis-quote! lol

Everyone stop ganging up on Hitler. He may be a neo-Nazi but us "open-minded" people should respect that. Even though I hates Nazis more than anything, too.

And Hitler, you play nice too.

Well if it was there. Why didn't he conquer it? People were there to conquer right? Vikings had found a way over im sure Ghengis couls have too. You get really upset you know

You're damn right I'm getting upset. You are trying to tie America and Ghengis Kahn into the same argument, and I havent the slightest idea why!

Don't care about the above post, but I gotta know:

Are you a NeoNazi, or just a German WWII fetishist?

Do you honestly think Hilter Jr. would have the guts to answer that? He is at least a Holocaust-revisionist, and how many of those aren't Neo-Nazis?

America: After ww1 lets make germany mad and stronger by making them the poorest country in the world, breaking them up, allowing an evil man take over and dont notice that they are building an illegal army in that one truck, and let them hear of britains plans of what would later be known as a blitzKrieg[/QUOTE]

Do you honestly think that was america that weakened Germany? Maybe you should recheck your history notes?

For some reason, I felt a lil' sense of yeah, fuck you as well just reading that sentence.

What kind of asshole names himself Hitler Youth???

Hitler, you know you're going to have to explain that all the time.
Don't get annoyed with that kind of name.
Just look at his sig ;)

He is at least a Holocaust-revisionist

History is always open for debate

You're damn right I'm getting upset. You are trying to tie America and Ghengis Kahn into the same argument, and I havent the slightest idea why!

Im not. that other guy was. I just thought it was interesting thats all

Just look at his sig ;)

Ugh.

Can anyone else decipher what this guy is trying to argue as his point? lol

Let me explain it for the fourth time

What i originally said was Ghengis Kahn conquered about 75% of the world because America wasnt Encountered yet

The encounter is when christopher columbus and his crew "found" America by accident. It was never discovered because the "Native" Americans were already there.

I wrote "Native" American that way because everysingle human is originally from africa and immagrated elsewhere making everyone african

Not to hard to understand

Ugh.
Dontcha just hate the while nationalist movement?

Ugh.

If it said Black instead of White, you'd be called a racist. Funny how it works, huh?

History is always open for debate


Debate, yes. BUt not out right denial.

Do you honestly think Hilter Jr. would have the guts to answer that? He is at least a Holocaust-revisionist, and how many of those aren't Neo-Nazis?
Exactly. With a choice of name and title like that, he's trying to sell it to me so hard I have the right to know.
That kind of sensationalism will be called upon by anyone here bright enough to see it's pussy bullshit attention-whorism.

Don't shake your nanny finger at me, dude.

If it said Black instead of White, you'd be called a racist. Funny how it works, huh?
Who cares? I hate all types of nationalism

I said "any hint of intelligence"
jesus christ! you cant even quote a mis-quote! lol

Well, excuse me, I'm human too, even if I come from a "multicultural background" Way to NOT answer my question.

That kind of sensationalism will be called upon by anyone here bright enough to see it's pussy bullshit attention-whorism.
As if there aren't enough of those here already

History is always open for debate
History is debatable to an extent.

It needs to be saved! As one of my grade 9 teachers called it, our "gas-guzzling SUV culture" must be stopped!

why does it need to be stopped and by whom?

Dontcha just hate the while nationalist movement?
Much more than anything I could hate about my country by comparison!

If I had to choose one it would be number 1. I am not an "America hating liberal" I am a "Capitalist America hating Communist" :p

Let me explain it for the fourth time

What i originally said was Ghengis Kahn conquered about 75% of the world because America wasnt Encountered yet

The encounter is when christopher columbus and his crew "found" America by accident. It was never discovered because the "Native" Americans were already there.

I wrote "Native" American that way because everysingle human is originally from africa and immagrated elsewhere making everyone african

Not to hard to understand

Africa? Huh

I thought it was the fertile cresent we were all from. Which is not africa. Right?

Let me explain it for the fourth time

What i originally said was Ghengis Kahn conquered about 75% of the world because America wasnt Encountered yet

The encounter is when christopher columbus and his crew "found" America by accident. It was never discovered because the "Native" Americans were already there.

I wrote "Native" American that way because everysingle human is originally from africa and immagrated elsewhere making everyone african

Not to hard to understand

1) I dont even know why you brought Kahn into this thread, so lets just drop it.
2) The "out-of-africa" is only one of the 2 theories given by phsyical anthropoligists

America: After ww1 lets make germany mad and stronger by making them the poorest country in the world, breaking them up, allowing an evil man take over and dont notice that they are building an illegal army in that one truck, and let them hear of britains plans of what would later be known as a blitzKrieg

Do you honestly think that was america that weakened Germany? Maybe you should recheck your history notes?[/QUOTE]

Council of Vienna. WW1 was started by Serbia. WW2 was started by the the council of vienna angering germany. Guess who was involved in Vienna

America, France, England and the other superpowers that wasnt prussia, austria or the Ottaman empire. No one cared or listened to the italians which helped pave the way for Mussolini.

Mind telling me how we turned why i hate america to ww2 and other things

History is debatable to an extent.

I'm honestly curious to know what you think should be the extent on historical debate

Exactly. With a choice of name and title like that, he's trying to sell it to me so hard I have the right to know.
That kind of sensationalism will be called upon by anyone here bright enough to see it's pussy bullshit attention-whorism.

Don't shake your nanny finger at me, dude.

Back off! Sorry if it sounded like I was critizing you- I actually agree. :)

If I had to choose one it would be number 1. I am not an "America hating liberal" I am a "Capitalist America hating Communist" :p

Like me but i am not liberal.

An anti communist is called a McCarthyist (I think it might be spelt wrong)

McCarthy helped start the red scare.

I put militarism as what I hate most, but I was torn between that and environmental destruction. I'm a pacifist, I've strongly considered avoiding all taxable transactions, income included, just to avoid financing the war. The environment is also hugely important. I'm not sure which is overall more important, but I certainly hate the military more than I hate polluting industries...I think. I don't snarl quite so much or have to leave the room when something polluting happens, but I do when someone in military uniform comes in. professionally amoral killers are not my cup of tea.

Mind telling me how we turned why i hate america to ww2 and other things
Becuase of the freaky Nazi fetishist. It's all about the uniforms, trust me.

There should be a "Fat Tax."

I'm lovin' it

1) I dont even know why you brought Kahn into this thread, so lets just drop it.
2) The "out-of-africa" is only one of the 2 theories given by phsyical anthropoligists

I brought kahn when you said it was impossible to conquer the world

Becuase of the freaky Nazi fetishist. It's all about the uniforms, trust me.

I am confused.

Who likes hitler?
I know that the Hitler guy probably does

Africa? Huh

I thought it was the fertile cresent we were all from. Which is not africa. Right?
We evolved in Africa. The first civilizations were in the fertile cresent

why does it need to be stopped and by whom?

Mainly because the U.S. is one of the biggest contributers to world-wide polution, and uses up a large chunk of the worlds oil.
People collectively can stop it. Just think: do I need to buy a 10 km/litre SUV when a small car will do fine? Do I need to drive to the corner store a block away when I could walk or bike there? It's about individuals choosing not to pollute.

And also, I'm against Kyoto because it's BS. Forcing people to change won't do it, they must be given reasons and incentive to stop.

how great. i said i hate america and explained y now look where we are

The thing that pisses me off the most about America is Generica. You know, the land of stupid identical prestwood palace subdivisions, boring stripmalls, soccer moms who are the worst drivers and shallow consumerist whores of teens for Prada, Abercrombie and the likes.

We evolved in Africa. The first civilizations were in the fertile cresent

Just curious, where is the fertile crescent geographically? Is it the Nile, Indus valley, etc.?

Just curious, where is the fertile crescent geographically? Is it the Nile, Indus valley, etc.?
Ironically, All of civilization started right about at Baghdad.

Just curious, where is the fertile crescent geographically? Is it the Nile, Indus valley, etc.?
The Tigris and Euphrates Rivers, in Iraq

I brought kahn when you said it was impossible to conquer the world

And it still is.
Kahrn had only conquered 75% of the known world.

We evolved in Africa. The first civilizations were in the fertile cresent


Ohh, well now i see where you are coming from. Personally i dont believe in evolution. So i guess we will always differ. Oh well lol

Ironically, All of civilization started right about at Baghdad.

only one place. You forgot eygpt, Mayans place, The various nomads, indus valley. Now are patheantologist or whoever are the dead people (Astropologist ?) mad that we are attacking a place that could hold much history?

Ironically, All of civilization started right about at Baghdad.

Ok so that region, thanks. I was wondering where this is.

Ohh, well now i see where you are coming from. Personally i dont believe in evolution. So i guess we will always differ. Oh well lol

What specifically about evolution do you not believe in?

And it still is.
Kahrn had only conquered 75% of the known world.

Thats wat i said in the first 4 posts about him

only one place. You forgot eygpt, Mayans place, The various nomads, indus valley. Now are patheantologist or whoever are the dead people (Astropologist ?) mad that we are attacking a place that could hold much history?

I think that's why it's a "crescent". Egypt to Persia (Indus valley). The Mayans are only at most 1000 years old...

Thats wat i said in the first 4 posts about him

Perhaps, but thats not how it was worded, thus, thats not how I understood it. Anyway, I suppose we can drop it now.

The thing that pisses me off the most about America is Generica. You know, the land of stupid identical prestwood palace subdivisions, boring stripmalls, soccer moms who are the worst drivers and shallow consumerist whores of teens for Prada, Abercrombie and the likes.


well america has many different styles of homes. Ranch, Split level. Condos, Beach houses, Wood, Mud, Brick, Stone.

Clothes, what about second hand shops? Grundge , emo, Prep, Jock, Farmers

you need to look around

Perhaps, but thats not how it was worded, thus, thats not how I understood it. Anyway, I suppose we can drop it now.

yes my post 2 times ago about him was supposed to do that.

The fertile cresent was only the Tigres and Eurphrates damn spelling

What specifically about evolution do you not believe in?

I do not believe in the evoling from one species to another. I believe in natural selection in that weaker characteristics for the enviroment are weeded out but not that you develope new ones to adapt. Like short haired dogs not living in alaska.

What I hate about America:

Their "Puritanical" values :rolleyes:
Their anti-sex, anti-nudity paranoia
Their politics
Their corrupted individuals
The pandemic of Domestic Abuse
Their uber-religiousness
Hollywood (I desparately want to NUKE Hollywood!)

And a whole lot more ;)

EDIT: Yay! 1000 posts! :D

I do not believe in the evoling from one species to another. I believe in natural selection in that weaker characteristics for the enviroment are weeded out but not that you develope new ones to adapt. Like short haired dogs not living in alaska.

So if we took some dogs from America, aged them a few million years, you honestly think they'd still be the same?

What specifically about evolution do you not believe in?
I think thats a little off-topic dont you?

Mainly because the U.S. is one of the biggest contributers to world-wide polution, and uses up a large chunk of the worlds oil.
People collectively can stop it. Just think: do I need to buy a 10 km/litre SUV when a small car will do fine? Do I need to drive to the corner store a block away when I could walk or bike there? It's about individuals choosing not to pollute.

And also, I'm against Kyoto because it's BS. Forcing people to change won't do it, they must be given reasons and incentive to stop.


yeah, i wish SUV's would be outlawed for safety's sake (they do too much damage to smaller cars in accidents and are hard on the roads), but soccer mom's feel too safe and powerful riding up high. i think that as long as there is gas in the pump (regardless of price) most americans won't care enough to change auto preferences.

I do not believe in the evoling from one species to another. I believe in natural selection in that weaker characteristics for the enviroment are weeded out but not that you develope new ones to adapt. Like short haired dogs not living in alaska.

stop right there. I was involved in something like this and it got into a fight about the difference between adaptation and evolution

I think thats a little off-topic dont you?

True, I apologize. This is your thread and it is off topic.

One thing you can't hate about america is the fact that we ARE the most SELF CRITICAL country in the world.

-j

So if we took some dogs from America, aged them a few million years, you honestly think they'd still be the same?

Thats an odd question. Is it one type of dog with only that type of dog? Yes then it would be the same. If you mix it with other dogs its different but still a dog. I dont think dogs will ever not be dogs. Like i do not for see humans ever being anything but human

What I hate about America:

Their politics
Their corrupted individuals



these aren't exactly limited to america nor is the latter particularly prevalent in american society....i agree about wanting to occasionally nuke hollywood though!

True, I apologize. This is your thread and it is off topic.
Don't apologize. You act like I have some sort of authority over you or are better than you. I'm not and for the record nobody apologize to me.

One thing you can't hate about america is the fact that we ARE the most SELF CRITICAL country in the world.

-j

i hate us because of that too.

Yes i am a selfhating american

stop right there. I was involved in something like this and it got into a fight about the difference between adaptation and evolution

I dont want to fight you. I was just telling you that i disagree on our origins? We can leave it at that, right?

Don't apologize. You act like I have some sort of authority over you or are better than you. I'm not and for the record nobody apologize to me.

Ok...I wont apologize?
Just thought it was in order because technically it was hijacking.

Boxer, Kerry, Kennedy, Chomsky, Moore, Byrd, Carter, Buchanan, Falwell,

Bush, Cheney, Norton, Scalia, Rove, Rice, Delay, Coburn, Luntz, Loeffler,
Perry, Graham(phil & wendy), Inhoffe, AND Buchanan and Falwell and Phelps

yeah, i wish SUV's would be outlawed for safety's sake (they do too much damage to smaller cars in accidents and are hard on the roads), but soccer mom's feel too safe and powerful riding up high. i think that as long as there is gas in the pump (regardless of price) most americans won't care enough to change auto preferences.

It's sad and true.

What I hate about America:

Their "Puritanical" values :rolleyes:
Their anti-sex, anti-nudity paranoia
Their politics
Their corrupted individuals
The pandemic of Domestic Abuse
Their uber-religiousness
Hollywood (I desparately want to NUKE Hollywood!)

And a whole lot more ;)

EDIT: Yay! 1000 posts! :D

So we meet again. So have the Vaticanians defeated you yet?

(though I certainly contributed to the tangents) I think that (as many people have already said) Americans are not worldly enough. This causes many of the other problems, such as America's imperialist foreign policy under King George, the uphill battle it is to have personal freedom, and our lack of willingness to give poor people a chance. That said, I love America. I think that our shared culture has many flaws and superficial values, but that as a whole the beliefs upon which America was founded hold true in Americans today. Also, has anyone heard of Michael Wood? He is a British historian who, among other things, has a theory that the West has always valued (and still does value) personal gain rather than societal. The best example of this is the economic philosophy of Adam Smith. America is the bearer of this tradition today. While I think that we should maintain our concern for the individual due to its many benefits (which I can describe if you really want to know but am too lazy to type now) I firmly believe that we must also have some degree of concern for the fate of our (and others’) societies as a whole.

There should be a "Fat Tax."

I'm lovin' it

that would be wonderful.

I dont want to fight you. I was just telling you that i disagree on our origins? We can leave it at that, right?

Yes. I dont mean to sound like an anti evolutionist or anticreationalist. It got into a huge argument.

What I hate about America:

Their "Puritanical" values :rolleyes:
Their anti-sex, anti-nudity paranoia
Their politics
Their corrupted individuals
The pandemic of Domestic Abuse
Their uber-religiousness
Hollywood (I desparately want to NUKE Hollywood!)

And a whole lot more ;)

EDIT: Yay! 1000 posts! :D

I hate most of these things as well. Mainly 1, 2, 4 , 6 and 7.

that would be wonderful.

Yea, the US could pay off the national debt with it! *sizzle*

That raises a point. Is imperialism bad? I do not think we are imperialist be cause we wouldnt raise separate governments in the conquered lands we have.

I dont think spreading our culture is bad since i believe our culture is superior. If you disagree with me, fine. I think it is better because it is and induviduals culture. It allows us to be ourselves and still hold allegaince to something greater.

Yes. I dont mean to sound like an anti evolutionist or anticreationalist. It got into a huge argument.

i know i get in to lots of those...and it is hard to articulate for me on a forum

That raises a point. Is imperialism bad? I do not think we are imperialist be cause we wouldnt raise separate governments in the conquered lands we have.

I dont think spreading our culture is bad since i believe our culture is superior. If you disagree with me, fine. I think it is better because it is and induviduals culture. It allows us to be ourselves and still hold allegaince to something greater.
I think members of other cultures just might think the same of you.

That raises a point. Is imperialism bad? I do not think we are imperialist be cause we wouldnt raise separate governments in the conquered lands we have.

I dont think spreading our culture is bad since i believe our culture is superior. If you disagree with me, fine. I think it is better because it is and induviduals culture. It allows us to be ourselves and still hold allegaince to something greater.

No such thing as a superior race or culture. Culture works on and individual preference and superiority is a thing in your dna that could or could not be mutated. Superiority could also be intelligence or strength and works on many levels.
Lets face it america would suck at imperialism. Look at peurto Rico. America technically owns it the philipinnes and guam but peurto rico's language is spanish and they have their own seperate government and flag.

trust me i'm an ethnocentric german.

the religious right.
i voted for Bush Administration to say that instead of Other, because the religious right seems to be running their decisions.
and the only decent guy in the bunch, powell, went away. god knows who will clean up after bush now...

I didnt say we were imperialist. We used to be. thats why we have puerto rico and guam and the philipines. ALso aare those countries capitalist? Yes, that in it self speaks to the influence of america.

That raises a point. Is imperialism bad? I do not think we are imperialist be cause we wouldnt raise separate governments in the conquered lands we have.

I dont think spreading our culture is bad since i believe our culture is superior. If you disagree with me, fine. I think it is better because it is and induviduals culture. It allows us to be ourselves and still hold allegaince to something greater.

Yes and no. I don't consider our culture to be "superior" to any other- one of the nice things about culture is that all are equally good (obviously excepting things like cannabalism and other barbarous non-cultures). In my opinion, mperialism is bad. It may be could for, say, trade, but it's detrimental to culture. American isn't exactly imperialist, but its actions in the last four years hint that some Americans in high places want it follow in the footsteps of the British empire. Also, if we value individualism so much, then why would we need to convert others to such a philosophy? (that just screams hypocrisy)

I think members of other cultures just might think the same of you.

Lol. ok they can. But then when McDonalds comes to their country, its not as easy to say it.

Lol. ok they can. But then when McDonalds comes to their country, its not as easy to say it.
what do you mean exactly?

Lol. ok they can. But then when McDonalds comes to their country, its not as easy to say it.
Well, Americans eat Indian, Chinese, Mexican, and Italian (mmmm) food.

Loeffler
You hate my Vice Principal/Track Coach? :D

Whats next a why i hate canada thread that will erupt violently or a why i love mongolia and turn out right.

Yes and no. I don't consider our culture to be "superior" to any other- one of the nice things about culture is that all are equally good (obviously excepting things like cannabalism and other barbarous non-cultures). In my opinion, mperialism is bad. It may be could for, say, trade, but it's detrimental to culture. American isn't exactly imperialist, but its actions in the last four years hint that some Americans in high places want it follow in the footsteps of the British empire. Also, if we value individualism so much, then why would we need to convert others to such a philosophy? (that just screams hypocrisy)


I dont think it scream hypocricy. Be cause, if a group of people is not allowed to make a decision on their own, like afghanistan was. Us getting rid of what was preventing them from being themselves in the name of induvidualism in not hypocricy. Conquering a country and not changing anything is.

Yes and no. I don't consider our culture to be "superior" to any other- one of the nice things about culture is that all are equally good (obviously excepting things like cannabalism and other barbarous non-cultures). In my opinion, mperialism is bad. It may be could for, say, trade, but it's detrimental to culture. American isn't exactly imperialist, but its actions in the last four years hint that some Americans in high places want it follow in the footsteps of the British empire. Also, if we value individualism so much, then why would we need to convert others to such a philosophy? (that just screams hypocrisy)


I dont think it scream hypocricy. Be cause, if a group of people is not allowed to make a decision on their own, like afghanistan was. Us getting rid of what was preventing them from being themselves in the name of induvidualism in not hypocricy. Conquering a country and not changing anything is.

oh my god, ethnic cuisine, you're making me hungry....i need to go eat dinner!

Are you honestly mentally retarded?!?!
You know a lot about war history?!?!?!

Ghengis Kahn died in 1227!
THERE WAS NO AMERICA IN 1227!!!!!!

Who are you calling mentally retarded?

There was no America in 1227? Well what happened, it just 'appeared' later on?

Jibea said that Ghengis Khan conquered 75% of the known world at the time, and America had not been discovered yet. You go criticising Jibea for your lack of literary skills and brain functionality, you fucking tool.

Anyways, the one thing I dislike about America most is their ignorance with regards to the environment. They use 25% of all the worlds resources with fuck all of the worlds population, why? Because its a land full of ignorant consumers who dont care/know about the consequences of their collective actions.

Well, Americans eat Indian, Chinese, Mexican, and Italian (mmmm) food.

Americans dont eat chinese indian mexican and italian that would be cannabilism. Humans are not food.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHa.
That was a funny joke.

Chinese food in america is mostly american. Even the chinese fortune cookies.

There are so many great this in this country and so many terrible things. The lack of care for the poor, environment, and tendency of the more conservative groups to solve all things militarily first are serious flaws of this country currently. Your poll made it nearly impossible for me to choose, since I believe that those three things listed in your poll are both equally flawed.

However, in the end, I think that it's a terrible shame that America is the most powerful nation in the world, and yet we have so many people living on the streets, not knowing where their next meal will come from, or if their children will ever stand a chance in the world. We have great programs like welfare to help people like those, but that alone is not enough.

I designate this thread as being silly! And in a stupid way

Whats next a why i hate canada thread that will erupt violently or a why i love mongolia and turn out right.
That's rediculous! Nobody hates Canada.

Well, Americans eat Indian, Chinese, Mexican, and Italian (mmmm) food.

We also have all those people in our culture. They didnt franchise us. thats the difference

We also have all those people in our culture. They didnt franchise us. thats the difference
Its a lot easier for America to capitalize on the third world than visa versa

Some pepole think hating things about America is the same as hating America. I think bitching about the problems and working to solve them is patriotic.

What Do You Hate About America?
Everything.

Britain and Russian were doing a decent job without the help of America, and probably would have won without them anyway.[/QUOTE]

What sorry world are you living in? If you want to debate it, I can back it up with facts!!

Everything.
I hate America as much as the next guy but that's unfair. America does do some good (even if it is for a politician's profit)

That's rediculous! Nobody hates Canada.
I do. Quite strongly, in fact.

I dont think it scream hypocricy. Be cause, if a group of people is not allowed to make a decision on their own, like afghanistan was. Us getting rid of what was preventing them from being themselves in the name of induvidualism in not hypocricy. Conquering a country and not changing anything is.

true mostly about Afghanistan, but look at the coalition gov. and how well its working. Also, the US shouldn't "force freedom" on people. We should only intervene militarily when something directly effects us. (i'm against almost all preemtivity, although i am not a pacifist)

That's rediculous! Nobody hates Canada.

I do because they legalized gay marriage and are fining the clergy for not marrying the gay couples

I do because they legalized gay marriage and are fining the clergy for not marrying the gay couples
Well, I'm glad gays have equal rights somewhere on this planet. jeez

true mostly about Afghanistan, but look at the coalition gov. and how well its working. Also, the US shouldn't "force freedom" on people. We should only intervene militarily when something directly effects us. (i'm against almost all preemtivity, although i am not a pacifist)They're not forcing freedom! They give them a choice! If they don't want it, they can elect a government that'll take it away!

Britain and Russian were doing a decent job without the help of America, and probably would have won without them anyway.

What sorry world are you living in? If you want to debate it, I can back it up with facts!![/QUOTE]

we killed that part

Well, I'm glad gays have equal rights somewhere on this planet. jeez

being gay is a choice because no animals are gay

Leave it there and let it die now.

They're not forcing freedom! They give them a choice! If they don't want it, they can elect a government that'll take it away!
Not really, they can elect a leader that will try and take away freedom but he/she cant really do anything about it. Their government is already set up for them.

being gay is a choice because no animals are gay

Leave it there and let it die now.

Or not. Being gay is most definitely not a choice, and a wide array of animal species demonstrate non-heterosexual behavior of many varieties. But, let's get back to the original topic.

being gay is a choice because no animals are gay

Leave it there and let it die now.
NO YOU LET IT DIE! i sit here and try my ass off to be tolerant but thinking homosexuality is a choice is pure ignorance. THERE ARE GAY ANIMALS!! My best friend just got sent to boarding school because she wouldn't admit her being gay was a choice. IT ISNT A CHOICE!!! Just like you, yourself, aren't able to chose to become gay. When you are gay you can say its a choice.

I find the present anti-intellectualism disturbing. I meet people every day who are proud to be ignorant. People resort to the statement, "I know that it's true because it is true." There is no thought reflected in that statement.

The sad part is that I feel that anti-intellectualism is actually as response to the substitution of certification for knowledge. He must know how to drive because he has a driver's license. The teacher must be right because he has a teaching credential. The lawyer is right because she passed the bar. My favorite (meaning most aggravating) is the assumption that someone with a Phd. in a subject is more likely to be correct about general knowledge than someone with only a bachelors. And the problem becomes circular because non-critical thinkers (with certification) have no basis to judge the quality of the thought of others, and instead resort to comparing certification.

Not really, they can elect a leader that will try and take away freedom but he/she cant really do anything about it. Their government is already set up for them.
If they want to change their government, they elect a leader who will do so. All democracis can be changed by the people.

NO YOU LET IT DIE! i sit here and try my ass off to be tolerant but thinking homosexuality is a choice is pure ignorance. THERE ARE GAY ANIMALS!! My best friend just got sent to boarding school because she wouldn't admit her being gay was a choice. IT ISNT A CHOICE!!! Just like you, yourself, aren't able to chose to become gay. When you are gay you can say its a choice.

THANK YOU! Now, let's put it to rest permenantly.

being gay is a choice because no animals are gay

Leave it there and let it die now.

NOT TRUE

And you are absolutely wrong. So I will not be TGing you.

I hate the immigrant's push for this "multiculturalism" bullshit. It doesnt benefit America, or the American people....only them.

Multi-culturalism simply cannot exist because the host culture has to suffer in order for the other to exist.

I dont care which country you live in, stand up for your culture! Fight foreign invasion! Whether they come with guns or immigration papers, foreigners can be a threat to your culture and national soverignty at large. North American (Western) culture is being destroyed by non-Whites and their cultural and religious beliefs.


Good grief, who are "they"? Let me remind you that we are all immigrants in North America. Even Native Americans and Canadians walked over here from Asia during the last ice age. Immigrants today, no matter where they are from, all share a common desire: to come to a country where they can build a better life for themselves and their children. My mother was born in Germany - my family came here in the early 60's - and my grandparents worked bloody hard to make a living and build something for their children to inherit. That has nothing to do with them being German, and everything to do with them being immigrants.

In Canada, we do our best to have a multicultural society, and we do a pretty good job - it's not perfect, but we try. We never had a "host culture"; my country was built on the strengths that diversity brings when people from different cultures are tolerant of one another and willing to hear new ideas with an open mind, even if they only agree to disagree in the end. Having a different culture than the "mainstream", the implied meaning of which is W.A.S.P., is NOT an attack on others' right to live however they like. So I'll defend my country, all right - against those who would sacrifice one culture on behalf of another.

If they want to change their government, they elect a leader who will do so. All democracis can be changed by the people.
That is a very simplistic view because you must consider the ways in which the change in government has altered situations effecting the implementation of democracy. Ex: Iraq

what I hate about america is the fact that sometimes the police let teenagers go with a slap on the wraist if they steal stuff. And why are we in iraq anyway? if my brother was in Iraq and got killed, then personally I would blame Bush! He's the one saying, " I want oil, so I will continue to send 'my' army to Iraq to die or get disabled just so I can get my oil! I mean, bring 'pride' and respect to this country and bring fear to the terrorists all around the world". And also, the only reason that some people voted for bush is that they didn't like Kerry or Nader and they felt obligated to vote! We need to fix our government. clinton was a better president than bush. and if you agree, send a telegram to discorded chaos.
To be fair, I think this war is for oil. But Bush didn't intend on this huge struggle he's faced with now. He intendid to walk in, get his oil, and walk out. Not have 100,000+ deaths on his concience

I find the present anti-intellectualism disturbing. I meet people every day who are proud to be ignorant. People resort to the statement, "I know that it's true because it is true." There is no thought reflected in that statement.

The sad part is that I feel that anti-intellectualism is actually as response to the substitution of certification for knowledge. He must know how to drive because he has a driver's license. The teacher must be right because he has a teaching credential. The lawyer is right because she passed the bar. My favorite (meaning most aggravating) is the assumption that someone with a Phd. in a subject is more likely to be correct about general knowledge than someone with only a bachelors. And the problem becomes circular because non-critical thinkers (with certification) have no basis to judge the quality of the thought of others, and instead resort to comparing certification.

I am not anti intellectual. The reason i believe gay is a choice is because heterosexuality is so animals can reproduce and there is no reason to be homosexual. Humans and dolphins just have to screw everything up

no more getting off topic even to defend yourself

To be fair, I think this war is for oil.

huh?!? come on, if it was about oil, he would have lifted the UN sanctions against iraq and let the crude flow.

or drill ANWAR!

no more getting off topic even to defend yourself
Sorry. But seriously you're insulting me, my family, and all of my friends with what you're saying. (and no, that doesnt mean we're gay)

Whatever happened to Hitler Jr.? At least he made things interesting and made people passionate about the arguement. *sigh* (yes, i still hate nazis incase you were confused)

huh?!? come on, if it was about oil, he would have lifted the UN sanctions against iraq and let the crude flow.

or drill ANWAR!
Well considering all that happened pre-war, (the lies, the poor evidence that could've AND WAS disproven by any expert, how many people in the administration stood to gain from it, the testimonies of many people in the administration against Bush, the fact that Iraq cooperated with everything we told Saddam to do, the fact that UN weapon inspectors found no evidence of any weapons program) I think its no coincidence that a man that made his money on oil and defense contracting invaded a country with the second largest oil supply in the world.

these aren't exactly limited to america nor is the latter particularly prevalent in american society..
Yeah, that's true...
..i agree about wanting to occasionally nuke hollywood though!
Bah! Screw "occasionally"! I always want to nuke Hollywood. Hmm... maybe I'll start a new thread about it....

Well considering all that happened pre-war, (the lies, the poor evidence that could've AND WAS disproven by any expert, how many people in the administration stood to gain from it, the testimonies of many people in the administration against Bush, the fact that Iraq cooperated with everything we told Saddam to do, the fact that UN weapon inspectors found no evidence of any weapons program) I think its no coincidence that a man that made his money on oil and defense contracting invaded a country with the second largest oil supply in the world.

i just don't buy that theory because it would have been sooo much easier to drill ANWAR. with a rep. controlled congress, senate, and strong backing from alaskan gov't and the local inuit, they easily could have passed it. furthermore, no blood would have been shed, the source would be more dependable (wouldn't have to worry about saddam cutting supply), and the profit margin would have been far greater!

oh yeah, it would be cheaper to ship, would create a ton of jobs for the americans....sorry it just doesn't add up.

That is a very simplistic view because you must consider the ways in which the change in government has altered situations effecting the implementation of democracy. Ex: Iraq
Oh come on. The Irawis could elect a nutjob Ayatollah if they wanted to.

All of America's problems could be solved with a nice, big, healthy dose of Capitalism. But, oh no, we cannot have that, can we now.

All of America's problems could be solved with a nice, big, healthy dose of Capitalism. But, oh no, we cannot have that, can we now.
What?
Aren't we already capitalist? Last time I checked...

What?
Aren't we already capitalist? Last time I checked...

A hair too capitalist. Looking forward to the return of the robber barons?
:mad:

i just don't buy that theory because it would have been sooo much easier to drill ANWAR. with a rep. controlled congress, senate, and strong backing from alaskan gov't and the local inuit, they easily could have passed it. furthermore, no blood would have been shed, the source would be more dependable (wouldn't have to worry about saddam cutting supply), and the profit margin would have been far greater!

oh yeah, it would be cheaper to ship, would create a ton of jobs for the americans....sorry it just doesn't add up.
Well, for one there would've lawsuits out the wazoo because you can't drill on a national wildlife refuge. like I said we really didnt plan on still being in Iraq.

Except for the fact that they plan to drill only a tiny part of ANWR. Anyqway, there has yet to be any proof of sinister motives behind the Iraq War. Naive ones, maybe, but not sinister. Read Bob Woodward's "Plan of Attack" if you want the truth.

Just one thing ... idiots who refuse to believe there's anything good about the US, saying things like our "lack of feeling for the poor and homeless," which is utter bullshit.
Of the 17 OECD countries, the US ranks 17th or dead last in regards to poverty. Child poverty is approximately 17%.

http://www.dsausa.org/lowwage/Documents/2004/snapshot20040623.gif

Utter bullshit?

Ireland is like 10%. whoa....

wait no... 15%

You ever seen space balls? You know when the guy says "we need to jam their signal" and then shoots a big jar of raspberry jam at the enemy radar. Well, I think this thread needs to be jammed. May the schwartz be with you!!!!!!!!!!!

The nazis were after world domination to puify the human race of subhumans and try to make a race of superhumans.

Oops, you're wrong.

Go read Mein Kampf sweetheart, Hitler only wanted to expand west to the Atlantic (only as far as France, he wanted Britain as an ally) and east to the Ural Mountains so he could enslave the slavic people. He NEVER wanted world domination and was clever enough to know he could never even have it, never mind maintain it.

You ever seen space balls? You know when the guy says "we need to jam their signal" and then shoots a big jar of jam at the enemy radar. Well, I think this thread needs to be jammed. May the schwartz be with you!!!!!!!!!!!
"Raspberry!"

And we of Super-power like to use N-Jammers (neutron-jammers) to jam stuff . . . but in the case of this thread it'll be Nachos!
"Spicy!"

Other; a combination of:
The Right’s persistence towards military solutions (i.e. Iraq.)
The Bush Administration.
Our continuous destruction of the environment
The fact that we instate stupid acts like No Child Left Behind rather than, oh, I don't know...INCREASING SCHOOL FUNDING?

Just one thing ... idiots who refuse to believe there's anything good about the US
Try to hold two ideas in your head at the same time.

1. There are some bad things about America.

2. A person can beleive there are bad things about America while also beleiving there are some good things about America.

Saying there is something bad about America or starting a discussion about it is not the same as "refus(ing) to beleive there's anything good about the US"

saying things like our "lack of feeling for the poor and homeless," which is utter bullshit.
I've heard you say stuff like this before, but what is it based on? There is substance to that argument (which he wasn't even endorsing in the first place- look at the pole.. there is a right and left stance on each issue). In the U.S. there are 3.5 million homeless people. About 3,000 of them die a year. A large part of them were VETERANS OF WAR that the U.S. has kept cutting benefits for.

Some info:
23% of the 3.5 Million homeless Americans each year are Veterans

33% of the homeless are Veterans

33% of the homeless Veterans were stationed in a war zone

47% of those served during the Vietnam War

85% of the homeless Veterans completed high school or equivalent

89% received honorable discharges

76% have a substance abuse or mental health problems

45% say they need help finding employment

37% say they need help finding affordable housing

That's not very considerate to people who have risked their lives for our country.

I wish it said "All of the above"

I dont care which country you live in, stand up for your culture!
Do you realize that you are contradicting the thesis of your whole arguement?

No, I say to stand up for your culture, not enforce it onto societies of other nations.

Good grief, who are "they"? Let me remind you that we are all immigrants in North America. Even Native Americans and Canadians walked over here from Asia during the last ice age. Immigrants today, no matter where they are from, all share a common desire: to come to a country where they can build a better life for themselves and their children. My mother was born in Germany - my family came here in the early 60's - and my grandparents worked bloody hard to make a living and build something for their children to inherit. That has nothing to do with them being German, and everything to do with them being immigrants.

In Canada, we do our best to have a multicultural society, and we do a pretty good job - it's not perfect, but we try. We never had a "host culture"; my country was built on the strengths that diversity brings when people from different cultures are tolerant of one another and willing to hear new ideas with an open mind, even if they only agree to disagree in the end. Having a different culture than the "mainstream", the implied meaning of which is W.A.S.P., is NOT an attack on others' right to live however they like. So I'll defend my country, all right - against those who would sacrifice one culture on behalf of another.


First off, I cant debate you over whether all Americans are immigrants. If you dont understand the simple definition of a country, there's no way you'll understand anything I have to say on the matter.
It would be like you trying to argue that water is not wet.
It's simply not worth my time.

Your country was built by Aryan and Pan-Aryan peoples. Your host culture is Western culture, and the foreigners are taking over your country. Wake up buddy, British Columbia is 38% foregin-born. Add that to the number of non-Whites already born and living in BC, you're looking at a White minority of about 40%.
Is that how you want your country?
Do you honestly want a Chinese Prime Minister?

voted other - i hate the self-importance and the over-sincerity. :D

The poll results indicate that most N.S. players are nerdy democrats with no lives.

That brings me to question why all democrats are just so angry all the time. They hate the Bush Administration, they hate the Military, they hate rich people. How 'bout all of you just sit back and have a cigar once in a while.

First off, I cant debate you over whether all Americans are immigrants. If you dont understand the simple definition of a country, there's no way you'll understand anything I have to say on the matter. It would be like you trying to argue that water is not wet.
It's simply not worth my time.

Your country was built by Aryan and Pan-Aryan peoples. Your host culture is Western culture, and the foreigners are taking over your country.
Is that how you want your country?
Do you honestly want a Chinese Prime Minister?

You're right, oh sage and eminent one - I don't understand how you define country. So go ahead, bless me with your precious time and define it for me. While you're at it, define "Aryan", "Pan-Aryan", and "Western culture". If we're going to debate anything, it would help to define our terms first. My definitions are as follows :

Country = a division of land mass based on agreed-upon, non-geographical borders and governed by a select group of people employing one method of governance: democracy, socialism, communism, fascism, etc.

Aryan and Pan-Aryan = an imaginary master race of people who display selected physical characteristics such as white skin, blond hair, and blue eyes, and are theoretically "superior" over all other races. If such a race existed, they'd be so freaking inbred that they'd all succumb to the same disease and be extinct before you know it. :rolleyes:

Western culture = A theoretical term usually employed when describing the socialization of those who live in North America, although the UK and Western European countries are sometimes included in this definition. Characterized by the erroneous belief that women are second class citizens whose only possible contribution is to cook, clean, and open their legs whenever their husbands get the urge to merge. Other cultures are viewed as somehow deficient and must be forced into a capitalist, consumerist mindset. Originated after the discovery of North America, when British and French foreigners colonized land previously inhabited by Native Americans and forced them to give up their way of life to the British/French ideal. Similar colonization of other countries gave way to revolt and eventually caused the downfall of the British Empire.

I don't care if white people are in the majority or the minority. And if we have a Chinese Prime Minister, so what? My criteria for a prime minister are as follows: he or she must be capable of running the country and must be able to speak both official languages. Actually, the more languages, the better - it's good for international relations.

By the way - don't call me buddy. first of all, I'm female (which I'm certain makes me a second-class citizen in your eyes). Secondly, I wouldn't want to be buddies with someone who believes that white people are somehow superior and dominant over the rest of the world.

By the way - don't call me buddy. first of all, I'm female (which I'm certain makes me a second-class citizen in your eyes). Secondly, I wouldn't want to be buddies with someone who believes that white people are somehow superior and dominant over the rest of the world.[/COLOR] :upyours:

1. Ok, I'll call you bitch.
2. Why would that make you a second class citizen in my eyes?
3. Why is it you think I "believe that white people are somehow superior and dominant over the rest of the world?"

3. Why is it you think I "believe that white people are somehow superior and dominant over the rest of the world?"
I believe that you've said just that a few times. At least, it seemed so, what with the "Blacks are genetically inferior" stuff...

I believe that you've said just that a few times. At least, it seemed so, what with the "Blacks are genetically inferior" stuff...

Not the same thing. Please do not put words in my mouth.

1. Ok, I'll call you bitch.
2. Why would that make you a second class citizen in my eyes?
3. Why is it you think I "believe that white people are somehow superior and dominant over the rest of the world?"

1. Fine with me.

2. Here's a little quote from David Lane of pyramidprophecy.org. I found it in the 88 Precepts of his "White Genocide Manifesto":
"35. Homosexuality is a crime against Nature. All Nature declares the purpose of the instinct for sexual union is reproduction and thus, preservation of the species. The overpowering male sex drive must be channeled toward possession of females of the same race, as well as elements such as territory and power, which are necessary to keep them." Possession of females? Last time I checked, I'm NOBODY's property. Also, see #1 in the quote above.

3. My apologies, I seem to have mistaken you for a white supremacist instead of a white nationalist. My mistake. However, here is a quote from the Nationalist Alliance page at www.natall.com: "Our world is hierarchical. Each of us is a member of the Aryan (or European) race, which, like the other races, developed its special characteristics over many thousands of years during which natural selection not only adapted it to its environment but also advanced it along its evolutionary path. Those races which evolved in the more demanding environment of the North, where surviving a winter required planning and self-discipline, advanced more rapidly in the development of the higher mental faculties -- including the abilities to conceptualize, to solve problems, to plan for the future, and to postpone gratification -- than those which remained in the relatively unvarying climate of the tropics. Consequently, the races vary today in their capabilities to build and to sustain a civilized society and, more generally, in their abilities to lend a conscious hand to Nature in the task of evolution."

Still sounds like "white people are better than everyone else" rhetoric to me. Apparently when my ancestors were up in the north developing higher mental faculties, they missed out on the ability to detect errors in logic.

the fact that America is the land of oppurtunity as long as you wasnt born here. An immigrant can get free housing, free food, and free school. But I have to struggle to go to college. Now dont get me wrong, I dont hold it against the immigrants, I would move too.

and why is there a "What do you hate about america" thread anyway? because we have alot of problems in our country? I guess having a car bomb going off killing a bunch of people is much better than bad presidential administration.

Not the same thing. Please do not put words in my mouth.

What do you mean, put words in your mouth??? :headbang:

Let me introduce you to Occam's razor. When an unexplained phenomenon occurs, if two or more possible explanations are given, the simplest explanation is usually the right one.

1. If you're going to argue that a group is inferior, logically they have to be inferior in comparison to another group.
2. Therefore, if group A is inferior to Group Z, then by definition Group Z is superior to Group A.
3. So, given the fact that you've made derogatory remarks about Asians and African-Americans, I'm going to extrapolate here and assume that Arabs, Jews, and South Asians aren't your favourite groups either.
4.Taking points 1-3 into account, and considering your self-stated devotion to a white nationalist ideal - hmmmm.

The simplest explanation of your beliefs about non-white people is that you consider white people to be the "superior" group to all of the "inferior", non-white groups.

I'm just curious - do you consider yourself to be a Christian? I know that the white nationalist movement involves people of different faiths, but there seems to be a strong Christian element in the white power polemic I have read, so that's why I ask.

Let me give you an insight into my way of thinking. I am a Christian, and therefore I try to be like Jesus every day - and every day I fail. But the nature of God's grace is that he loves us all, no matter what. To quote Philip Yancey, "God loves us not because of who we are, but because of who God is." Consider these teachings from the New Testament (CEV):

Matthew 28:19-20 - "Go to the people of all nations and make them my disciples. Baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and teach them to do everything I have told you. I will be with you always, even until the end of the world."

Galatians 3:28 - "Faith in Christ Jesus is what makes you equal with each other, whether you are a Jew or a Greek, a slave or a free person, a man or a woman."

Acts 10:34-35 - "Now I am certain that God treats all people alike. God is pleased with everyone who worships him and does right, no matter what nation they come from."

If God, in His infinite wisdom and grace, loves us all even though we never deserve it and treats us all alike, who am I to say that any person - regardless of nationality, race, or culture - has less value than myself? (Yes, including you, misguided as I believe you are.) I'm not necessarily trying to preach to anyone here - I'm imperfect, as we all are - but if I am truly striving to be just like Jesus, I must be cognizant of His love for the whole world and not exclude certain people or groups because of my fallible humanity. So consider this the olive branch - I'm not going to change my mind, and I seriously doubt you'll change yours - so the best we can do is agree to disagree. However, I hope that my words, and the Word of God, will at least make you think critically about your own beliefs and prejudices. :cool:

The lack of equality and liberty in our nation. The Constitution of the land of the free may soon ban gays from the right of marriage. I don't think this is the answer. Surely a compromise can be made between the religious and the gays without denying people rights. Please, don't debate this topic here because it has been beaten like a dead horse on these forums. Another thing is the sacrafice of liberty for security. I would rather live with less security than give up any one of my rights as an American. I would rather see 9-11 happen again than let the government invade my privacy on a whim with no cause. Being Arabic is not a cause, sorry. Freedom is the supposed to be this country's most sacred value, not security. And get rid of the electoral college. We're not backwater farm hicks anymore, we have the right to elect our own leaders.

P.S. I love America, it just has some room for improvement. I wouldn't be caught dead being a European citizen. :P Much love to Europe though, I'll be visiting this summer. ;)

I agree. Getting a counrty out of the depression, reducing the unemployed from 6,000,000 to 300,000, and creating the foundation for the modern highway system was a bad idea.
I agree. Sending vast amounts of the male population of Germany into a war never to return, giving the Russians a reason to strip East Prussia, Pommerania, and Silesia from Germany, ensuring that no conscientious German will ever be able to be proud of his or her heritage, getting the British to obliterate the largest Cities of Germany by bombing theirs first sounds like great fun to me. You forgot to mention that the brunt of new jobs was created in the armaments industry and was funded by the former posessions of jewish families.
But you wouldn't know that since you live in the past.

I'd have to say the goverment. Just the whole goverment. but that's because I hate politics in general. Just the whole thing.

I really can't figure out any "most" from that list. Pretty much everything applies, so I hate the US for everything on the list :p

I'm an Australian. I like most Americans I meet online, and since I don't have a passport to leave my own country ('cause I'm too bloody lazy and poor to travel) I can only imagine that I would like most Americans I meet in person. After all, you're just like us. You voted in a bigotted, backward a***hole just like we did, the only difference is that your a***hole makes a bit more damage on the rest of the world than our little a***hole can. Which brings me to my point. The www.isometry.com site has compiled 87 reasons as to why America is hated by other countries. A few of my favourites are:

30.Corrupt, undemocratic US voting system: When other countries have slight irregularities in voting procedures, the USA takes this as a pretext to impose heavy trade sanctions. But often these irregularities are caused mostly by ignorance or misunderstandings. But in the 2000 election in the USA, thousands of African Americans were turned back from the polls in Florida because the officials knew that they would vote for the Democrats.

50.Harrassing the creation of the International Criminal Court: The US government has done everything it can to hinder the establishment of an international court to prosecute war criminals and crimes against humanity because they are worried that they and their client states will be brought before this court.

55.Export of catholic ideology, causing massive AIDS deaths: In order to get votes from the catholic anti-condom, anti-contraception, anti-abortion (and anti many other things) lobby, the US government impedes the use of condoms in poor countries which have a serious AIDS problem. Just as one example, Kenya has a very serious AIDS problem, but the US has cut off aid to organisations in Kenya making condoms available to prevent AIDS.

66.Opposition to democracy in Australia: In 1975, the USA listed Australia as being one of the top security threats in some list of assessments of allied governments. Australia was regarded as a serious risk to the USA because it had a Labor government.

There are more juicy ones, but reading over them all makes me cry.

I agree. Sending vast amounts of the male population of Germany into a war never to return, giving the Russians a reason to strip East Prussia, Pommerania, and Silesia from Germany, ensuring that no conscientious German will ever be able to be proud of his or her heritage, getting the British to obliterate the largest Cities of Germany by bombing theirs first sounds like great fun to me. You forgot to mention that the brunt of new jobs was created in the armaments industry and was funded by the former posessions of jewish families.
But you wouldn't know that since you live in the past.
What do you mean by "ensuring that no conscientious German will ever be able to be proud of his or her heritage"???
Any person of Germanic origin should be proud of their herritage. Many are not, simply because they have been told that they cant. Free yourself of your shackles of guilt and accept who you are. Be proud, say "Sieg Heil," and worship our Fuhrer!

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Actually, Adolf Hitler DID NOT took Germany out of its recessession, the strict policies of the German Central bank of the time did. The German economy was already in an upward trend when adolf was elected, he just took the ride. It is defendable that is spending on military assets helped to strenghten the german recovery, but that spending is not the cause of such recovery.

Some Democrats voted for the Iraq War, and the whole Vietnam War was a Democrat idea - from President to Congress.

That aside, I don't hate America.

America's biggest flaw is people not accounting for thier own actions. It has become a society where if bad things happen, you shift it on the nearest scapegoat than fix the problem. Eg Warnings on hairdriers saying not to use them in the bathtub, Sueing fast food places because you became fat, blaming guns because some idiot shot someone over drugs.

I think my other big pet peave is that criminals have more rights than I do as a victim.

What do you mean by "ensuring that no conscientious German will ever be able to be proud of his or her heritage"???
Any person of Germanic origin should be proud of their herritage. Many are not, simply because they have been told that they cant. Free yourself of your shackles of guilt and accept who you are. Be proud, say "Sieg Heil," and worship our Fuhrer!

What I mean is that you're either not German or not conscientious or that you are neither.

The legal system in America is crap

The Govrnment sucks

I answered other. I think all of the above applies except for the last item on the list. Additionally, I'd add moral and ethical corruption in society, business and Gov. along with a lack of tolerance.

i hate that the rich have so much power and seem to get away with more things.

i hate that real estate prices are getting out of control while mortgage companies bleed american citizens of their hard earned money.

i hate that there is no real health care system for everyone

and i hate that there are so many damn reality shows! :)

Our willingness to accept bigger government, just so long as it isn't from the other guy's side.

I hate social welfare, corporate welfare, protectionism, business regulations, tariffs, income tax, lack of respect for states' rights, the 17th Amendment, the Federal Reserve, our lack of a gold standard, foreign aid, our entangling alliances, our open border policies, etc.