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Is Jesus God? If He is what leads you to believe this? If you believe not, why ? I have my opinions on this. :)

Is Jesus God? If He is what leads you to believe this? If you believe not, why ? I have my opinions on this. :)

Is Krishna Vishnu?

Is Buddha Vishnu?

Is Buddha Vishnu?

No, you heathen!

Is Buddha Vishnu?
Is Kernunnos Lucifer's cousin's fish's past-owner's father?

Jesus is never recorded in the Bible as saying the exact words, “I am God.” That does not mean He did not proclaim that He is God. Take for example Jesus’ words in John 10:30, “I and the Father are one.” At first glance, this might not seem to be a claim to be God. However, look at the Jews’ reaction to His statement, “We are not stoning you for any of these, replied the Jews, but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God” (John 10:33). The Jews understood Jesus’ statement to be a claim to be God. In the following verses Jesus never corrects the Jews by saying, “I did not claim to be God.” That indicates Jesus was truly saying He was God by declaring, “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30). John 8:58 is another example. Jesus declared, I tell you the truth, Jesus answered, before Abraham was born, I am!” Again, in response, the Jews take up stones in an attempt to stone Jesus (John 8:59).
John 1:1 says that “the Word was God.” John 1:14 says that “the Word became flesh.” This clearly indicates that Jesus is God in the flesh. Thomas the disciple declared to Jesus, “My Lord and my God” (John 20:28). Jesus does not correct him. In Revelation, an angel instructed the Apostle John to only worship God (Revelation 19:10). Several times in Scripture Jesus receives worship (Matthew 2:11; 14:33; 28:9,17; Luke 24:52; John 9:38). He never rebukes people for worshiping Him. Although He never commands people to worship Him, He never discourages it either. If Jesus was not God, He would have told people to not worship Him, just as the angel in Revelation had. QandA
I think Jesus was God.

Is Kernunnos Lucifer's cousin's fish's past-owner's father?


Is Kernunnos the same as Carnun, whose only written mention is under Notre Damn's cathedral in Europe?

Is Lucifer the devil, cause I don't think he is, not enough proof, anywhere.

Is Buddha Vishnu?

Was Jesus Buddha? Buddha did say He would return.

Why does anyone who quotes from the bible think that it is
a work of non-fiction. Besides wasn't the character you refer to as Jesus an Egyptian magician revented by Constantine to quell a Christian uprising within his army so he would get them to fight?

Isaiah 14:13 - "You said in your heart, "I will ascend into heaven! I will exalt my throne above the stars of God! I will sit on the mountain of assembly, in the far north!"
You gotta lucifer's ambition in that statement, at least he has goals :)

But I think basically that God thought "Damn I don't understand these humans, maybe i'll have a human son and see if I can understand them through him".

Why does anyone who quotes from the bible think that it is
a work of non-fiction. Besides wasn't the character you refer to as Jesus an Egyptian magician revented by Constantine to quell a Christian uprising within his army so he would get them to fight?

This is most interesting! I would like to read more about this. Where can I find this?

Why does anyone who quotes from the bible think that it is
a work of non-fiction. Besides wasn't the character you refer to as Jesus an Egyptian magician revented by Constantine to quell a Christian uprising within his army so he would get them to fight?

Sorry, Jesus was mentioned in Josephues's history of Judea, published about 70 AD.

Isaiah 14:13 - "You said in your heart, "I will ascend into heaven! I will exalt my throne above the stars of God! I will sit on the mountain of assembly, in the far north!"
You gotta lucifer's ambition in that statement, at least he has goals :)...

"Lucifur" was a babylon king, and was great and mighty, it seems many old kings that got strong thought they were gods. Though who knows what "Lucifur's" real name is, since its just a bad translation of " the bright morning star " or " bringer of light "

Isaiah 14:13 - "You said in your heart, "I will ascend into heaven! I will exalt my throne above the stars of God! I will sit on the mountain of assembly, in the far north!"
You gotta lucifer's ambition in that statement, at least he has goals :)

But I think basically that God thought "Damn I don't understand these humans, maybe i'll have a human son and see if I can understand them through him".

So you believe that Jesus was not God. But He was a human form with Divine inspirition, Divine knowledge? True??

Jesus is never recorded in the Bible as saying the exact words, “I am God.” That does not mean He did not proclaim that He is God. Take for example Jesus’ words in John 10:30, “I and the Father are one.” At first glance, this might not seem to be a claim to be God. However, look at the Jews’ reaction to His statement, “We are not stoning you for any of these, replied the Jews, but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God” (John 10:33). The Jews understood Jesus’ statement to be a claim to be God. In the following verses Jesus never corrects the Jews by saying, “I did not claim to be God.” That indicates Jesus was truly saying He was God by declaring, “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30). John 8:58 is another example. Jesus declared, I tell you the truth, Jesus answered, before Abraham was born, I am!” Again, in response, the Jews take up stones in an attempt to stone Jesus (John 8:59).
John 1:1 says that “the Word was God.” John 1:14 says that “the Word became flesh.” This clearly indicates that Jesus is God in the flesh. Thomas the disciple declared to Jesus, “My Lord and my God” (John 20:28). Jesus does not correct him. In Revelation, an angel instructed the Apostle John to only worship God (Revelation 19:10). Several times in Scripture Jesus receives worship (Matthew 2:11; 14:33; 28:9,17; Luke 24:52; John 9:38). He never rebukes people for worshiping Him. Although He never commands people to worship Him, He never discourages it either. If Jesus was not God, He would have told people to not worship Him, just as the angel in Revelation had. QandA
I think Jesus was God.

This is more interesting and wonderful than when sci-fi geeks quote Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy or discuss Star Trek.

So, Jesus said he was God, but that doesn't make him God, necessarily. He was mortal. I guess what really matters is if God said that Jesus was God, which I don't know enough about scripture to comment on.

I happen to believe He is God, but I'm even using the present tense for that (noticed after I typed it), so I guess I still think he *is* God.

Another thing to ponder... why are so many of the "smilies" guns or other signs of dismay? And what is up with those smilie faces making out with eachother. If my face got mushed up with someone like that, I'd be creeped out for life.

-Normal
President, Normal One

From what I know, Jesus was the son of god, with the intent to help purify humanity from their evil's. Eventhough I'm non-religous, I think a lot of jesus's teachings are interesting.

Jesus is God.
God is the three-in-one trinity; Father (God), Son (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit.

As such Jesus has been around for all eternity, just like God. I believe this because of my Christian beliefs and from reading the Bible

[QUOTE]This is more interesting and wonderful than when sci-fi geeks quote Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy or discuss Star Trek.

So, Jesus said he was God, but that doesn't make him God, necessarily. He was mortal. I guess what really matters is if God said that Jesus was God, which I don't know enough about scripture to comment on.

I happen to believe He is God, but I'm even using the present tense for that (noticed after I typed it), so I guess I still think he *is* God.

I wonder though if Jesus was God how do we explain the following quote? There are many other similar one. And I don't think you can find a quote where He say I am God.


Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.

1:4 I rejoiced greatly that I found of thy children walking in truth, as we have received a commandment from the Father.

(King James Bible, 2 John)

So you believe that Jesus was not God. But He was a human form with Divine inspirition, Divine knowledge? True??
No Jesus is god now, part of the trinity. But I think that when jesus was a human he was like a clone of god, the same person but an emissary to humanity. The bible states various times that jesus is both divine and a man, and that the only mediator between man and god is his son the messiah. So jesus is an individual being but at the same kind a part of the trinity, like a human-god hybrid if you will. But when he ascended to heaven and gave his sacrifice for humanity's sin he became a god with human emotions. Like if you were cloned and then sent down to earth, you would essentially be the same person but a different being yes, two different consiousnesses thinking oin their own, I personally think that the trinity is three beings you are own by all with their own will and individual feelings. That's how I understand it, because jesus is partly human he understands us and our ways and how we act which god really doesn't coz he's simply not human.

No Jesus is god now, part of the trinity. But I think that when jesus was a human he was like a clone of god, the same person but an emissary to humanity. The bible states various times that jesus is both divine and a man, and that the only mediator between man and god is his son the messiah. So jesus is an individual being but at the same kind a part of the trinity, like a human-god hybrid if you will. But when he ascended to heaven and gave his sacrifice for humanity's sin he became a god with human emotions. Like if you were cloned and then sent down to earth, you would essentially be the same pe rson but a different being yes, two different consiousnesses thinking oin their own, I personally think that the trinity is three beings you are own by all with their own will and individual feelings. That's how I understand it, because jesus is partly human he understands us and our ways and how we act which god really doesn't coz he's simply not human.

I don't understand the clone thing. The way I see it is Jesus was sent by God with a Message for humanity. He had the authority to speak for God, hence the quotes that say My Father and I are one and other similar ones. He was not God because you can only have one God. Jesus was Divine in the sense that other humans could never have the role that Jesus has/had. He spoke for God. He was/is God's Mouthpiece on earth.

Sorry, Jesus was mentioned in Josephues's history of Judea, published about 70 AD.

theres more too that wrote about Jesus:

"Now about this time arose an occasion for new disturbances, a certain Jesus, a wizard of a man, if indeed he may be called a man, who was the most monstrous of men, whom his disciples call a son of God, as having done wonders such as no man has ever done.... He was in fact a teacher of astonishing works to such men as accept the abnormal with delight.... And he seduced many Jews and many also of the Greek nation, and was regarded by them as the Messiah.... And when, on the indictment of the principal men among us, Pilate had sentenced him to the cross, still those who before had admired him did not cease to rave. For it seemed to them that having been dead for three days, he had appeared to them alive again, as the divinely-inspired prophets had foretold -- these and ten thousand other wonderful things -- concerning him. And even now the race of those who are called 'Messianists' after him is not extinct." Josephus

"Christus, the founder of the name, was put to death by Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judea in the reign of Tiberius" Tacitus

"And with regard to the eclipse in the time of Tiberius Caesar, at that time (in whose reign) Jesus appears to have been crucified" Phlegon

"On the eve of the Passover Yeshu (meaning Jesus) was hanged…because he practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy" The Talmud

Is Kernunnos the same as Carnun, whose only written mention is under Notre Damn's cathedral in Europe?

Is Lucifer the devil, cause I don't think he is, not enough proof, anywhere.
I think Lucifer tried to overthrow God but was cast into hell, where he named himself Satan.

Jesus is next to god, he is one of the most enlightened people this planet has ever seen, and has said and done the best things, the only problem is the right has mixed him up with anti-homoxual feeling.

I think Lucifer tried to overthrow God but was cast into hell, where he named himself Satan.

Well, Satan means, Adversary, and is the title given to the angel Sammael. Lucifur is a latin name meaning "bringer of the light" or "bright morning star" and is mistranslated and applied to Satan.

Satan's crime was that he refused to give up the law. He is the accuser of man, and feels that they should live by the law and die by the law. When faith was given and the law didn't have its power anymore, he refused to accept it, and was cast form the heavens. He was not cast into hell though. His domain is the earth.

Lucifer is a fallen babylon king that is in hell, because he was a human and he died. Its not the common concept that christians think of hell though, since that was made by the Catholics to use as a fear tactic. who also brought about, go to church or burn in hell, pay us money or burn in hell, etc.

Sorry, Jesus was mentioned in Josephues's history of Judea, published about 70 AD.
Very nice reference but please note that Joshua = Yoshua or Yahushua because there is no "J" sound in Hebrew. The letter "J" is only about 500 years old and isn't even found in the original 1611 King James version of
the bible. So I very much doubt the name JESUS apeared in said text.

Let your faith decide not fabrications like the bible.

If I told you a story that was transcribed for 70 years after the story
originated, how faithful to its completeness and accuracy could it be
if it was only passed on by word of mouth for 70 years?
People have been known to exaggerate for ther own agendas.

This is most interesting! I would like to read more about this. Where can I find this?

A good reference to this is a book by Morton Smith "Jesus the Magician: Charlatan or Son of God?"

Constantine was for the most part responible for the New Testement
including text claiming Jesus was God-Like and burning text that showing
he was an average man.

Once again believe what you want if you are truly faithful you will not be swayed any thing anyone claims they can supposedly prove.

If one was not there one cannot prove a thing.

If you go to a Christian website warning of dangerous cult type personas
you can tick yes beside every one for "Jesus".

Take Care

Jesus is God. He is part of the Holy Trinity which God is. The father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all the one true God.

[QUOTE=Negamegedon]A good reference to this is a book by Morton Smith "Jesus the Magician: Charlatan or Son of God?"

I spent quite a bit of time last night looking up Morton Smith and his book. I, of course, did not read the book. I did read some letters to the editor, review in NY Times stuff. I am not sure if Mr. Smith is unbiased researcher or not. I am willing to bet my momma's rosary beads that Jesus was not a magician. I don't take the miracles in a literal sense in the first place.

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I spent quite a bit of time last night looking up Morton Smith and his book. I, of course, did not read the book. I did read some letters to the editor, review in NY Times stuff. I am not sure if Mr. Smith is unbiased researcher or not. I am willing to bet my momma's rosary beads that Jesus was not a magician. I don't take the miracles in a literal sense in the first place.

If only 10% of what was written about Jesus is true regarding his
message of peace and kindness then I give him an A++ distinction.

My fundamental point is that I certainly cannot prove the veracity
of the statement Jesus is God and I do not think any written word
can either given the parameters of human intervention and agenda.

[QUOTE=GoodThoughts]

If only 10% of what was written about Jesus is true regarding his
message of peace and kindness then I give him an A++ distinction.

My fundamental point is that I certainly cannot prove the veracity
of the statement Jesus is God and I do not think any written word
can either given the parameters of human intervention and agenda.

I agree that proving Jesus is God is pretty much impossible. I don't believe that Jesus is God myself. I also don't believe that he was a charltan. I do believe that Jesus did exist and was the voice of God on earth. He was one of a long line of Messengers sent by God who spoke with the authority of God. His message was one of love; Moses was the law-giver; Muhammed's message was submission to the will of God. Today Baha'u'llah has brought the unity of humankind as the pivotal principle of God's latest message.

Jesus is next to god, he is one of the most enlightened people this planet has ever seen, and has said and done the best things, the only problem is the right has mixed him up with anti-homoxual feeling.

......In your opinion. Remember that.

......In your opinion. Remember that.

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