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Answer the poll for violent rape only. Not statutory rape.

Interested in peoples opinions on this, after the other thread touching on it.

Castration if it can be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.
prison for 20 years if it can't, so if evidence of either side comes up later, the supposed rapist can either be set free and compensated, or castrated.

Someone actually post something, I don't want to have to start clearing the tumbleweed out of the thread :)

Death or life in prison without the possibility of parole.

Depends on the situation. For a serial/mass rapist, the punishment should be much higher (death?) than for someone who has only committed the offense once. That dosen't mean single offenders should get off easy, though.

It's interesting, there seems to be quite a bit of support for castration, but to my knowledge no western nation employs it.

I quite like the idea of them being castrated and rotting in prison for the rest of their life. Let them feel the violation and humiliation that they forced on someone else.

And before anyone says that it is the state "stooping to their level," well any punishment is stooping to their level. Taking someone from thier home and putting them in a locked room is considered kidnapping. The state does it as a punishment. Does anyone argue that prison is the state "stooping to the level of a kidnapper"?

Castration without anesthesia, while the rapist is awake.

whoever said rape should be legal, please explain yourself. cuz i find that sick.

whoever said rape should be legal, please explain yourself. cuz i find that sick. Two of them are spammers, who picked every option.

The other guy has 18 total posts and joined this month.

Two of them are spammers, who picked every option.

The other guy has 18 total posts and joined this month.

thanks :)

Someone will always pick an unpopular opninon just to be contrary.

The death penalty for rapists is a bad idea. A really, really bad idea. Even for serial rapists or child molesters.

Why?

What incentive does a rapist have to leave a victim alive if he faces the death penalty?

Of course, if we were all armed...Wait we beat that to death several times over.

Castration seems good. If we want to be lenient - a first time offender, perhaps - we could take of one ball, and then the other upon reoffense. No anaesthetic, obviously.

For first offensese, then 10-25 years in prison with mandatory classes for the sexual urges they seem to not control, then, upon release, keep them in a community where only other rapists live, and have meetings like AA, talking about what crime they committed, why they did it, and say the first name of the victim, and list ways that they will not commit the act again.

Upon release they stay on a strict probation with ankle trackers. They are to get a job, and a percentage of their wages will be given to their victim, until either the victim dies or the rapist dies.

For second offense then they should be taken to the controlled community again, this time for much longer. They will be forced to work there, and their wages will go towards housing, food, and the remaining given to the victim. Also they may be castrated, given in cases of raping the same victum, use of firearms or other weapons, or such.

They will be put under strict curfews and controls for the next several years, and will only be released when the courts and mental doctors feel the person isn't going to repeat the crime.

For first time offenses that involve weapons, or the victim is killed, then the rapist is sentenced to 25-30 years, where they will be forced to work in prison controlled enviroments, all they make will go to the victim's family. After their jail time is up, they will be either taken to a solitary houseing or death penalty.

For 2nd time offenses that involve weapons or the victum is killed, then the rapist is sentenced to castration, and then 30 years hard labor. They will be forced to make some sort of product, which they would get paid for, but the money will go to the victims or their family(ies).

Serial Rapists will be castrated and then sentenced to 25 years hard labor with no human contact other then guards and doctors. They will be forced to make some sort of product, which they would get paid for, but it will go to the victims. At the end of the 25 years, the rapist will be put to death.

No dessert or TV for two weeks.

I voted the one below life, that seems appropriate. Castration, death, what is this? back to the dark ages, we shall chop off your index finger so shall not fire a bow again, Ave. Caesar!

Rehabilitation and eventually release back into society.

For serial rapists we may need to hold them long, perhaps adding chemical and fianlly physical castration to the list of possible punishments.

If they are truely psychopathic and don't understand that they are inflicting great anguish on their victims(or are sociopathic and don't care) it may be neccisary to hold them indefinately.

I have no problem with castration. Rapists need therapy, but the public also needs assurance that they wont inflict harm to any other women. :confused:

Castration seems good. If we want to be lenient - a first time offender, perhaps - we could take of one ball, and then the other upon reoffense. No anaesthetic, obviously.
We perform that procedure on bulls at the farm. You've heard the line about "steers and queers". Well that makes steers. I'm still not sure what makes the other. Anyway, it would be very effective. None of this chemical castration stuff.

ok, rape is a really bad subject for this poll. Because it is simply impossible to prove. It could be a perfectly mutual relationship, and then the girl gets pissed and screams rape. No shit, this happened to a friend of mine. Personally, I don't want to walk around the rest of my life making my sexual partners sign a consent form, it crimps my game. But on the contrary rape is a terrible crime that deserves punishment. For a legally convicted rapist 10 years. Second time offender 30. The only issue is proof. Thoughts? Should the Government print sex consent forms? Should sex be only legal for a married couple? Who the hell knows, let's just all be civil.

We had a big discussion about this topic actually in one of my classes at the university. Apparently some places around the world have instituted various forms of castration as a punishment for rape, and found that it did not work like they thought it would. They studied the matter and discovered that in the majority of cases, rape was a crime of violence and not of lust. Castration only eliminated one way for the criminals to express their violence, and most later committed other forms of violent crime such as assault, armed robbery, or murder.

I found that a rather interesting discovery, and my class spent nearly two days talking about it after reading several scientific journal articles on the matter. While I think that castration would be a good way to keep rapists out of the gene pool, I am more in favor of a long stay in prison. As soon as deporting people to Venus is an option, I might vote for that instead :P

We had a big discussion about this topic actually in one of my classes at the university. Apparently some places around the world have instituted various forms of castration as a punishment for rape, and found that it did not work like they thought it would. They studied the matter and discovered that in the majority of cases, rape was a crime of violence and not of lust. Castration only eliminated one way for the criminals to express their violence, and most later committed other forms of violent crime such as assault, armed robbery, or murder.

I found that a rather interesting discovery, and my class spent nearly two days talking about it after reading several scientific journal articles on the matter. While I think that castration would be a good way to keep rapists out of the gene pool, I am more in favor of a long stay in prison. As soon as deporting people to Venus is an option, I might vote for that instead :P

interesting planet choice, venus.....the morning star....Lucifer.

Rape, when proven beyond a doubt, should be punishable by death, immediate and no appeals allowed. Any doubt in the eyes of the law should allow the alleged perpetrator to go free, and the alleged victim should have the right to pursue whatever justice he or she sees fit without consequence.

Between 50 and 70% of sex offenders commit more than one offense in thier lifetime (depending on whose statistics you read), treatment has been proven to increase the chances of recidivism by a factor of two, which baffles many psychologists. There should be no second chances for these animals.

Here's a parallel for you, a dog "goes crazy" and starts biting people, do you try to retrain the dog, or put it down?

The death penalty for rapists is a bad idea. A really, really bad idea. Even for serial rapists or child molesters.

Why?

What incentive does a rapist have to leave a victim alive if he faces the death penalty?

Of course, if we were all armed...Wait we beat that to death several times over.

That, in an unfortunate and somewhat sick sense, is a good point. If a rapist knows he'll die whether or not the victim dies, then he's probably more apt to kill the victim in an attempt to reduce the chances he'll be caught.

For especially violent rape, extremely long prison sentences, even life. If it is less violent and a first offense, somewhere in the neighborhood of ten to twenty years. Sex offenders can rarely be rehabilitated. Almost all will continue ro be a threat to society, including pedophiles.

A moderate prison sentence for first-timers. Repeat offenders should be cured somehow. Some people are sick and will not respond to any punishment but death. (And capital punishment is not acceptable in this case, because it would leave the rapist no reason to not to kill the victim.)

An analogy could be this: urinating is unacceptable in public. Some people have a disorder that causes incontinence or polyurea, and what do we do? Prescribe drugs to help them, and then they don't do the unacceptable things. Similarly, some people are mentally ill, and even though they kill and rape, the problem is no different from incontinence, because there are cures. Just simple psychological therapy, for example. Often they've suffered messed-up parenting and developed perverted ideas of sexuality. These can be dealt with. Of course, a prison sentence is required, but the time in prison could be spent in the therapy.

Of course there are some rapists who are actually evil and don't really suffer from a curable condition. One way of dealing with them could be the insertion of a capsule that gives off a drug. The drug could cause nonpermanent chemical castration, or lethargy, or some other effect that would discourage repeating the offense. Or, then again, it could be an anti-psychopathy/anti-violent behavior drug. This, of course, after the due prison sentence. I can't stand the idea that when someone's found legally insane they can't be given a prison sentence.

ok, rape is a really bad subject for this poll. Because it is simply impossible to prove. It could be a perfectly mutual relationship, and then the girl gets pissed and screams rape. No shit, this happened to a friend of mine. Personally, I don't want to walk around the rest of my life making my sexual partners sign a consent form, it crimps my game. But on the contrary rape is a terrible crime that deserves punishment. For a legally convicted rapist 10 years. Second time offender 30. The only issue is proof. Thoughts? Should the Government print sex consent forms? Should sex be only legal for a married couple? Who the hell knows, let's just all be civil.
No shit, a best friend of mine was raped by her cousin when she was 14.

Ship 'em off to prison. They'll get as much action as they want there. Bastards.

First time, 15 years in jail, preferably all of them chained in the shower.

Second offence:
File down their teeth while awake, cut off any limbs that may be used to harm others...

Three of my female friends has been raped, none of the offenders has even been to trial, the system is sick.
I think its worse than murder.

First time, 15 years in jail, preferably all of them chained in the shower.

Second offence:
File down their teeth while awake, cut off any limbs that may be used to harm others...

Three of my female friends has been raped, none of the offenders has even been to trial, the system is sick.
I think its worse than murder.

Worse than murder in what sense? I've been raped, and am very glad I survived it. I certainly would rather be raped than murdered.
I do think it takes a lower life form to rape than to murder. Murderer frequently regret their crimes, rapists generally don't. Rape is a hate crime.

Repeat offenders should be cured somehow....Often they've suffered messed-up parenting and developed perverted ideas of sexuality. These can be dealt with. Of course, a prison sentence is required, but the time in prison could be spent in the therapy. I can't stand when people seem to care more about the state of the criminal than their victim.

Frankly, if someone assaults me or rapes someone I know, I don't give a shit what thier excuse it. There's no excuse in the world that gives them the right to do that. Fuck the rapists, screw rehabilitating them. They don't deserve the pleasure and freedom in life they have taken away from someone else.

No dessert or TV for two weeks.
let me guess? are you single? i say......yes. ;)

but really, kiwicrog- you read the most recent rape thread.... and you forgot one poll option. Getting shot by Occidio Multus. :D

but really, kiwicrog- you read the most recent rape thread.... and you forgot one poll option. Getting shot by Occidio Multus. :D I'll let that loosely fall under 'Death' :)

I'll let that loosely fall under 'Death' :)
well, a painful and slow death would be more like it. my would be rapist will be shot in the stomach, and dragged back to my home, locked in a closet, and subjected to severe infection - causing bacterium. i will take pictures as he rots, alive. and, the poor bastard is screwed if i suddenly feel like playing "Dr. Mengele". don't worry though, because when he is quite close to death, i will embalm him with vinegar, and dance while he truly feels the burn. :D
















huh? did i actually say those things?? my o my!!! :eek:

well, a painful and slow death would be more like it. my would be rapist will be shot in the stomach, and dragged back to my home, locked in a closet, and subjected to severe infection - causing bacterium. i will take pictures as he rots, alive. and, the poor bastard is screwed if i suddenly feel like playing "Dr. Mengele". don't worry though, because when he is quite close to death, i will embalm him with vinegar, and dance while he truly feels the burn. :D I wouldn't have the heart to go through an extended period of torturing someone.

But if I came across a man trying to rape my girlfriend and I had something large, spiky or capable of firing lead at high velocities, I definately wouldn't be pleasant.

They shall be raped, then locked up and the key thrown away. However parole should be possible.


The death penalty for rape is not a good idea, it only serves as incentive to kill the witness in order to avoid detection.

Now being left wing, I'm naturally very lenient on crime. I'm all for a bit of dick chopping for rapists though.

Well, I guess there should be taken a look at the nearer circumstances.
There are different forms or rape (raping an adult, raping a child, raping a teenager, was the victim in danger of dead?).
Uhm, so I'm in favor of a prison term not exceeding 15 years ...and therapy if they can be rehabilitated. And of cource for those who have committed this crime for several times we have preventive detention in Germany.

I say 10-20 years in prison.

I can't stand when people seem to care more about the state of the criminal than their victim.

Frankly, if someone assaults me or rapes someone I know, I don't give a shit what thier excuse it. There's no excuse in the world that gives them the right to do that. Fuck the rapists, screw rehabilitating them. They don't deserve the pleasure and freedom in life they have taken away from someone else.
Amen to that.

Wot I think:

I think most people on this thread are stupid. They know nothing about what punishment like prison does to people. They just stand around and scream "Death and harsh punishment" as if they where handing out candy to small children.

My own mother was raped a 3 years ago. I think the person who did that deserves 2 years in prison and some good rehabilitation. The police never caught him. Not 15 or life in prison. That would be out of proportion with the crime commited. People act rearly stupid when they are angry. Remenber folks to use your brain, not the heart when you are asked a question.

I often see americans on this site screaming for justice and revenge like a bunch of bloodthirsty barbarians! They do not seem to understand the simple concept of between the crime comitted and the punishment you hand out. :headbang:

(English is not my native language)

Castration, it is a form of poetic justice that means that repeat offences of that type cannot be comitted.

Rape is rarely a crime of "uncontrolled sexual urges" and is quite often one comitted to excercise power over its victim. If I got my hands on a rapist who'd raped a family member, a friend or my fiancé you can forget castration.

I'd kill em, so yes as far as I'm concerned castration is proportional to the crime. There's no excuse for rape, none whatsoever and it should have the same classification as first degree murder. You can't "accidentally" rape someone, as you might accidentally kill them, there's no equivalent to "I wanted to beat the crap out of them and went too far".

Having said that however, there will be occasions where people will cry rape for regular intercourse, the idea of date rape being an area where this might be extremely possible.

But anyway, thats the more rational me talking.

I voted Castration and Death cause of some issues I have with rapists.

Next bit - why would anyone want to vote for Legalizing Rape. That's sick and demented. If you people think you're being funny then you're mistaken.

I'm surprised to see how many sadistic people this forum actually has....

"Saw off their limbs"
"Castrate without anestetihcs"
On and on and on and on...

What I really wonder about, what made you people so sadistic int he first place. It's makeing me sick to read what you people write. It looks like the form of punishemment and it's cruelty is the only thing you are considering. No wonder that the world is as fucked up as it is with people who probably would consider themselves enlightend, showing this amount of sadistic thinking and curelty against your fellow man.

I voted Castration and Death cause of some issues I have with rapists.

Next bit - why would anyone want to vote for Legalizing Rape. That's sick and demented. If you people think you're being funny then you're mistaken.
thats what happens when you make a multiple choice poll

I can't stand when people seem to care more about the state of the criminal than their victim.

Frankly, if someone assaults me or rapes someone I know, I don't give a shit what thier excuse it. There's no excuse in the world that gives them the right to do that. Fuck the rapists, screw rehabilitating them. They don't deserve the pleasure and freedom in life they have taken away from someone else.

Didn't you read my post? I wanted to say NO EXCUSES, maybe I wasn't clear enough about this. For a crime, there must be punishment. BUT, the time they spend in prison, that time could be spent elsewhere than being anally raped and counting bricks in the wall. One goal is to punish, but another is to help them with not offending again. This is not compassion, this is pre-emptitive self-defence by the society. Often, there's some rather simple mental disease that can be cured. If that is the case, then it must be done for satanssakes! It's not so that we should first imprison someone, and then let them go free after the sentence is served with no guiding on how NOT TO OFFEND AGAIN.

Offending again is also reduced by capital punishment or a life sentence, but these two are problematic, because the crime is unprovable in many cases.

castration followed by a life of hard labor, all wages going to the victim (or their family, if they were killed), with no possibility of parole. all rapists should be sent to the same forced labor camp, and there should be no effort made to prevent them from killing or raping each other. each prisoner may ask to be executed by the method of their choice once each year, with the understanding that they will only be granted execution as a reward for outstanding behavior and the court reserves the right to deny their request.

castration followed by a life of hard labor, all wages going to the victim (or their family, if they were killed), with no possibility of parole. all rapists should be sent to the same forced labor camp, and there should be no effort made to prevent them from killing or raping each other. each prisoner may ask to be executed by the method of their choice once each year, with the understanding that they will only be granted execution as a reward for outstanding behavior and the court reserves the right to deny their request.
You write the poems in Hallmark cards dont ya ;)

Castration, preferably with a butter knife and no anaesthetic.

I'm surprised to see how many sadistic people this forum actually has....

"Saw off their limbs"
"Castrate without anestetihcs"
On and on and on and on...

What I really wonder about, what made you people so sadistic int he first place. It's makeing me sick to read what you people write. It looks like the form of punishemment and it's cruelty is the only thing you are considering. No wonder that the world is as fucked up as it is with people who probably would consider themselves enlightend, showing this amount of sadistic thinking and curelty against your fellow man.

look up the meaning of sadistic. no one is getting sexual pleasure out of the punishments. they are just sick of criminals getting away with any desire they have to go out and inflict harm on innocent people.

I'm surprised to see how many sadistic people this forum actually has....

"Saw off their limbs"
"Castrate without anestetihcs"
On and on and on and on...

What I really wonder about, what made you people so sadistic int he first place. It's makeing me sick to read what you people write. It looks like the form of punishemment and it's cruelty is the only thing you are considering. No wonder that the world is as fucked up as it is with people who probably would consider themselves enlightend, showing this amount of sadistic thinking and curelty against your fellow man.
Actually, if I caught someone raping a friend or family member, hell even a complete stranger, the things that would happen to that person would definitely go in the category of Not Pretty. How bad would depend on the injuries of the person being raped, the location, and whether or not the cops would be coming around any time soon.

In any case, it would probably end in death for the rapist.

No wonder that the world is as fucked up as it is with people who probably would consider themselves enlightend, showing this amount of sadistic thinking and curelty against your fellow man. I wonder how much you'd really consider someone your "fellow man" if they were abusing and violating you or someone you loved dearly. How much compassion do they deserve?

Actually, if I caught someone raping a friend or family member, hell even a complete stranger, the things that would happen to that person would definitely go in the category of Not Pretty. How bad would depend on the injuries of the person being raped, the location, and whether or not the cops would be coming around any time soon.

In any case, it would probably end in death for the rapist.
When did it become your job to be prosecution, jury, judge and executioner?

The problem here is that people attach all of their feelings to the issue. This is the reason why we have a system in most civilized countries where people are apprehended, charged, tried and judged. It is many years since we practiced eye for an eye politics.

But why limit ourselves to rapists?
How about cutting off the hands of shop-lifters
How about removing the eyes from a peeping-tom?

You can go on and on to find "smart" solution. At least they may look smart to ignorant people, but they are all utterly inhumane and based upon feelings rather then rationale.

And using ad-hominems, red-herrings etc, on me have no effect whatsoever.

I wonder how much you'd really consider someone your "fellow man" if they were abusing and violating you or someone you loved dearly. How much compassion do they deserve?
It is not up to me to decide.
That is why we have a judicial system. or maybe you want to topple the justice system and replace it with a vigilant system?

It is not up to me to decide.
That is why we have a judicial system. or maybe you want to topple the justice system and replace it with a vigilant system?Ok, so you come across a man beating and raping your wife/girlfriend/mother in an alley. How do you respond?

"Excuse me, I understand that you have been unfairly treated by the socioeconomic and racial biases perpetuated by the mass media, but your actions are in fact against the law set by our government and I request that you cease these actions. Can I buy you a drink and a meal, as I feel that it would be right of me to do something to try and make up for your poor treatment"

Ok, so you come across a man beating and raping your wife/girlfriend/mother in an alley. How do you respond?

"Excuse me, I understand that you have been unfairly treated by the socioeconomic and racial biases perpetuated by the mass media, but your actions are in fact against the law set by our government and I request that you cease these actions. Can I buy you a drink and a meal, as I feel that it would be right of me to do something to try and make up for your poor treatment"
Rubbish..

You don't "come across a man raping ..." in an alley.

First off all, what was your wife/etc doing alone in an alley, why did you come up on them?

It is a scenario not worth even discussing as it is too farfetched anyway.

And the rest of your comment is called a red-herring. Nice try, but try again.

I want them to be raped every day of the rest of their life as well as castration by their victims, while they're awake. It should be a slow castration, too. A little bit a day.
But I think that falls under the category of cruel and unusual punishment.

Rubbish..

You don't "come across a man raping ..." in an alley.

First off all, what was your wife/etc doing alone in an alley, why did you come up on them?

It is a scenario not worth even discussing as it is too farfetched anyway.

And the rest of your comment is called a red-herring. Nice try, but try again.Your whole post is avoiding the question. What would you do?

Ok, not an alley then. Someone breaks into your home. Or someone that they are with starts attacking them (Most rape victims know their attackers).

If you were at the scene of a rape in progress, what would you do?

Your whole post is avoiding the question. What would you do?

Ok, not an alley then. Someone breaks into your home. Or someone that they are with starts attacking them (Most rape victims know their attackers).

If you were at the scene of a rape in progress, what would you do?
That has nothing to do with the question at hand:
"What is a suitable punishment for a rapist"

You whole post is a logical quagmire.

You are more than free to open a new thread and ask the question, but it has no relevance in this thread.

A rapist is not to be treated any differently than any other criminal and needs a trial and to be sentenced along the guidleines given for the crime. Anything else is based on emotions and is not suitable in a civilized society.

My own mother was raped a 3 years ago. I think the person who did that deserves 2 years in prison and some good rehabilitation. Oh my god!

That is a bloody slap on the wrist. If that was ever instated in my country I couldn't bloody stand it.

The only punishment a rapist gets from violating thier victim in the most personal way imaginable is they have to give up just two years of their life?!?! :mad:

Oh my god!

That is a bloody slap on the wrist. If that was ever instated in my country I couldn't bloody stand it.

The only punishment a rapist gets from violating thier victim in the most personal way imaginable is they have to give up just two years of their life?!?! :mad:

What is really your problem, I'm wondering. You seems to have an overdeveloped sensitivity towards rapists. You want to treat them differently and based on emotions rather than on laws and reason. Why is that?

That has nothing to do with the question at hand:
"What is a suitable punishment for a rapist"

You whole post is a logical quagmire.

You are more than free to open a new thread and ask the question, but it has no relevance in this thread.

A rapist is not to be treated any differently than any other criminal and needs a trial and to be sentenced along the guidleines given for the crime. Anything else is based on emotions and is not suitable in a civilized society. I think you've missed that most people have been talking about what they'd do if they found a rapist in the act as well as a punishment. Are you simply going to refuse to answer the question?

Castration is the most certain way to prevent repeated offenses by a rapist. Nip it in the bud.

To those who advocate therapy and rehabilitation of sex offenders, including rapists, it doesn't work. Most rapists can't be helped be therapy and the recidivism rate is over 90%. I have a friend who used to work with sex offendres, and the very few it helped were quite young. If he's over twenty or has committed any type of sexual crime before, lock him up for good. Not for punishment or revenge, but for public safety.

Castration is the most certain way to prevent repeated offenses by a rapist. Nip it in the bud.

Provided they get off the sex and not the violence.

Thats a point good, jenn jenn. I forgot for a second that rape is more about power than sex. Sorry

I think you've missed that most people have been talking about what they'd do if they found a rapist in the act as well as a punishment. Are you simply going to refuse to answer the question?
Because it is an appeal to raw emotions and have absolutly no bearing on the topic at hand. It is totally irrelevant.

Rapists should be punished in accordance with the law of the country. That is the only answer to be given on this question.

Why ask only about rapists? Why not ask: "What would you do if you came across X happening to your wife?" Asking specifically with the word rapist is a pure appeal to a humans rawest emotions. Besides the question is begging the answer and as such is totally without value.

What is really your problem, I'm wondering. You seems to have an overdeveloped sensitivity towards rapists. You want to treat them differently and based on emotions rather than on laws and reason. Why is that?Want to treat them differently? Yes, I want to treat them differently from shoplifters.

Somehow, I find rape more horrific than taking a candy bar from a supermarket or selling someone a joint (Both of which can get you more than 2 years).

Rapists should be punished in accordance with the law of the country. That is the only answer to be given on this question.

Why ask only about rapists? Why not ask: "What would you do if you came across X happening to your wife?" Asking specifically with the word rapist is a pure appeal to a humans rawest emotions. Besides the question is begging the answer and as such is totally without value.So in other words, you would stop them, with violence if neccasary, but you are willing to call everyone else sadists who said they would do the same?

So in other words, you would stop them, with violence if neccasary, but you are willing to call everyone else sadists who said they would do the same?
Nope, I never said that. That is only something in your own imagination due to your extreme sensitivty related to rapists...

A lot of people gave some very sadistic treatments that every rapist should get. That is what I dsiagree strongly with.

A rapist is no worse than other criminals, I would say a killer is worse than a rapist as a killer takes away your life, whereas a rapist does not.

You are displaying strong emotions about the topic and you are not able to look at the problem from a distance and detatched from personal feelings, hence your view is colored by your strong emotions.

So in other words, you would stop them, with violence if neccasary, but you are willing to call everyone else sadists who said they would do the same?

I think what he's saying is that the two are different situations. If the question is "what would you do if you found someone raping someone you love" that's one thing, and most people would probably respond with force to attempt to protect the victim. The question in this poll and the responses given, however, specifically refer to the actions of a government to punish such offenders. There's a difference between the two situations.

Who were the freaks who said it should be legal?!

I think what he's saying is that the two are different situations. If the question is "what would you do if you found someone raping someone you love" that's one thing, and most people would probably respond with force to attempt to protect the victim. The question in this poll and the responses given, however, specifically refer to the actions of a government to punish such offenders. There's a difference between the two situations.Gotcha. Ok, Pubiconia, what would you make the legal consequences of commiting rape?

I think what he's saying is that the two are different situations. If the question is "what would you do if you found someone raping someone you love" that's one thing, and most people would probably respond with force to attempt to protect the victim. The question in this poll and the responses given, however, specifically refer to the actions of a government to punish such offenders. There's a difference between the two situations.
Thank you!

I didn't want to spell it out to him, but wanted to see if he managed to grasp the difference, and I think we can say for sure that he did not. That in itself is scary enough.

Personally, I'd advocate castration, and not just for rape. It might do well to castrate people convicted of other violent crimes, and in both cases, possibly stop the convicted of committing a repeat offense. No, this would not be because it would 'prevent the rapist from repeating their crime', I don't see how removing the testicles helps that, they can still have an erection without sperm, it has more to do with the lack of testosterone.

It has been observed that males, when castrated, may develop a sort of serenity, less likely to feel angry and the like. If this is the case, then castration could very well nip violent tendencies in the bud. Also, it removes the person from the gene pool, which may be a good thing if the violent tendencies are somehow genetic...

Additional prison sentences of some length may also be a good idea.

Personally, I'd advocate castration, and not just for rape. It might do well to castrate people convicted of other violent crimes, and in both cases, possibly stop the convicted of committing a repeat offense. No, this would not be because it would 'prevent the rapist from repeating their crime', I don't see how removing the testicles helps that, they can still have an erection without sperm, it has more to do with the lack of testosterone.

It has been observed that males, when castrated, may develop a sort of serenity, less likely to feel angry and the like. If this is the case, then castration could very well nip violent tendencies in the bud. Also, it removes the person from the gene pool, which may be a good thing if the violent tendencies are somehow genetic...

Additional prison sentences of some length may also be a good idea.You are thinking neutering. Castration doesn't just take your balls off.

I'm a philosophy major and a legal studies minor, planning to attend law school and work as a criminal prosecutor. All of my studies have lead me to the conclusion that some term in prison of varying length depending on the particulars of the crime is appropriate. Capital punishment has been shown fairly convincingly to be a very poor prevantative measure, and in my opinion should be utterly abolished (it's worth noting that the United States is the only nation among its friends and allies that still institutes the death penalty). I also agree with those who have been saying castration would be inneffective. As they said, rape is a crime of power, not a crime of sexual passion in the vast majority of cases. That need, that drive for power would remain despite castration. Officail punishment, that is a sentence handed down by a judge and jury, must be dispassionate. Punishment should never be a revenge measure, but a remedy.

Gotcha. Ok, Pubiconia, what would you make the legal consequences of commiting rape?

I am not a legislator and I feel that the current laws in whatever country you live in, may or may no be reflecting the graveness of the crime.

I am not an American, but come from a country with much less severe punishments for crimes than the US have and can only reflect upon the effects of those laws. A much lower sentencing than what is normal here int he US have not resulted in an increase in rapes. Punishment has never been a deterrence towards crimes. Every form of punishment should also include a part of rehabilitaion and preparation for reinstatment into society.

I am not a legislator and I feel that the current laws in whatever country you live in, may or may no be reflecting the graveness of the crime.

I am not an American, but come from a country with much less severe punishments for crimes than the US have and can only reflect upon the effects of those laws. A much lower sentencing than what is normal here int he US have not resulted in an increase in rapes. Punishment has never been a deterrence towards crimes. Every form of punishment should also include a part of rehabilitaion and preparation for reinstatment into society.

I agree with this position wholeheartedly. And I am, for the record, a citizen of the United States.

You are thinking neutering. Castration doesn't just take your balls off.

cas·trate

1. To remove the testicles of (a male); geld or emasculate.
2. To remove the ovaries of (a female); spay.
3. To deprive of virility or spirit; emasculate.


n.

An individual who is incapable of reproduction as a result of removal, destruction, or inactivation of the gonads.

Hm?

A rapist is no worse than other criminals, I would say a killer is worse than a rapist as a killer takes away your life, whereas a rapist does not.

You are displaying strong emotions about the topic and you are not able to look at the problem from a distance and detatched from personal feelings, hence your view is colored by your strong emotions.

Well mine aren't.

I'm an existential nihilist, I've never been personally affected by a rape, and I still can clearly see that rapists are lower than nearly all other forms of criminals.

(Most) murderers kill due to some natural motivation that wasn't properly mitigated before it was too late (which is why death penalty for murder is rare).

Rape, on the other hand, is only perpetrated by perverse and demented individuals, sociopaths and monsters that prey on the innocent. They take more than life, they take the soul (so to speak). They murder your innocence, steal your sense of security and assuredy, scar you for life, destroy you in ways unparallelled by any other crime. They are guilty of murder, kidnapping, robbery, abuse, intimdation, etc. all in one act of inhumanity.

They are individuals a few neurons short of a brain, computer viruses tainting the human internet, programs that have bugs, machines that are defective.

And besides, they lost all rights the moment they broke the law.

Simply put, they need to be taken out of commission. Even if they can contribute something to society as significant as "curing cancer". There are plenty of other individuals out there who are capable, and the world doesn't need any more people, let alone useless sex fiends.

(Lewis Carrol contributed to society without having to act on his inclinations.)
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Incidentally, I said castration and life-time imprisonment as a personal punishment, though the more humane one is simple termination (death penalty).

wanted to see if he managed to grasp the difference, and I think we can say for sure that he did not. That in itself is scary enough. Lol, so now you use the personal attacks you accuse me of.

FYI, I had just read someone's post detailing how they would shoot a "would-be rapist," therefore talking about how they would respond. Hardly the worst misunderstanding, I'm not as lacking in comprehension as you are trying to say.
I am not a legislator and I feel that the current laws in whatever country you live in, may or may no be reflecting the graveness of the crime.

I am not an American, but come from a country with much less severe punishments for crimes than the US have and can only reflect upon the effects of those laws. A much lower sentencing than what is normal here int he US have not resulted in an increase in rapes. Punishment has never been a deterrence towards crimes. Every form of punishment should also include a part of rehabilitaion and preparation for reinstatment into society.So what do you believe is a punishment that reflects the graveness of the crime, includes rehabilitation and prepares them for reinstatement into society?

I don't believe people lose all rights when they break the law. Gotten any speeding tickets?

I don't believe people lose all rights when they break the law. Gotten any speeding tickets?
Speeding and rape are two completely different things. When you speed, they can take away your license to prevent you from speeding again. When you rape, I don't see how castration would be any different.

Hm?Ah, interesting. What's taking the lot called?

It must have an affect on your ability to "perform" or it wouldn't be seen as any use for sex offenders.

Speeding and rape are two completely different things. When you speed, they can take away your license to prevent you from speeding again. When you rape, I don't see how castration would be any different.

Your licence was given to you by the state as a sort of contract, saying you have demonstrated an ability to drive safely and thus earned certain priviledges. You break the contract, you lose the license. Your genitalia were not given to you by the state. I'm not absolutely certain about this, but I'd imagine that if the issue came before the United States Supreme Court they would rule castration to be "cruel and unusual" and, thus, forbidden by the Eight Amendment. I certainly hope they would rule as such.

Speeding and rape are two completely different things. When you speed, they can take away your license to prevent you from speeding again. When you rape, I don't see how castration would be any different.

Agreed. But people shouldn't make such blanket statements if they don't want them distorted,

Ah, interesting. What's taking the lot called?

It must have an affect on your ability to "perform" or it wouldn't be seen as any use for sex offenders.

Castration is observed to both decrease libido (substantially) and curb violent tendencies. Would this not help take care of both the sexual aspect and the power aspect? I assume a person less able to be angry or feel stress would be less likely to feel the need to exert power over another individual.

Castration if it can be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.
prison for 20 years if it can't, so if evidence of either side comes up later, the supposed rapist can either be set free and compensated, or castrated.
I see the appeal of that, but it's a very bad idea.

If someone has violent impulses to the point where they'll rape someone, what do you think they'll do after you cut off their dick - become peaceful and friendly?

Your licence was given to you by the state as a sort of contract, saying you have demonstrated an ability to drive safely and thus earned certain priviledges. You break the contract, you lose the license. Your genitalia were not given to you by the state. I'm not absolutely certain about this, but I'd imagine that if the issue came before the United States Supreme Court they would rule castration to be "cruel and unusual" and, thus, forbidden by the Eight Amendment. I certainly hope they would rule as such.
automobiles weren't given to us by the state either.

I see the appeal of that, but it's a very bad idea.

If someone has violent impulses to the point where they'll rape someone, what do you think they'll do after you cut off their dick - become peaceful and friendly?

Dick isn't the problem, or the solution. The removal of testes, and therefore testosterone, might do just that.

I'd imagine that if the issue came before the United States Supreme Court they would rule castration to be "cruel and unusual" and, thus, forbidden by the Eight Amendment. I certainly hope they would rule as such.Well, if done surgically, it isn't cruel, and we could make it usual. Here's hoping.

For all those in support of surgically removing the gonads: what if the jury is wrong? "Proof beyond a reasonable doubt" has been known to result in verdicts that are, in fact, incorrect. Can you return a man's testes or a woman's ovaries if you later discover that they are, in fact, innocent? I'm not sure that's a risk I'm willing to take. Furthermore, the question of castration for the sake of protecting society has come up before, albeit in a differnt, nonviolent way. It was suggested that people who are mentally retarded should be castrated so as to prevent them from giving life to handicapped children (it's called "eugenincs"). Granted, a violent criminal offender is quite different from a handicapped person, but I think the argument would fall out the same way. I think the courts would disallow castration, even in a humane surgical manner.

Are we talking about, men who rape women, men who rape other men, women who rape men, men or women who rape children, women who rape other women, does that sound too much for you, it's all true and very very real, i could take it further, but that would be really sic, consider that most justice systems around the world take all the circumstances of an alleged crime into consideration, before they make a descision or bring down a punishment, they supposedly all have a social conscience as should we.
However, you touch my sis, i break you legs

For all those in support of surgically removing the gonads: what if the jury is wrong? "Proof beyond a reasonable doubt" has been known to result in verdicts that are, in fact, incorrect. Can you return a man's testes or a woman's ovaries if you later discover that they are, in fact, innocent? I'm not sure that's a risk I'm willing to take. Furthermore, the question of castration for the sake of protecting society has come up before, albeit in a differnt, nonviolent way. It was suggested that people who are mentally retarded should be castrated so as to prevent them from giving life to handicapped children (it's called "eugenincs"). Granted, a violent criminal offender is quite different from a handicapped person, but I think the argument would fall out the same way. I think the courts would disallow castration, even in a humane surgical manner.

Agreed. Nothing non-reversible. Long prison terms would protect society. They could be released if found not guilty. But I think people should be protected from predators.

For all those in support of surgically removing the gonads: what if the jury is wrong? "Proof beyond a reasonable doubt" has been known to result in verdicts that are, in fact, incorrect. Can you return a man's testes or a woman's ovaries if you later discover that they are, in fact, innocent? I'm not sure that's a risk I'm willing to take. Furthermore, the question of castration for the sake of protecting society has come up before, albeit in a differnt, nonviolent way. It was suggested that people who are mentally retarded should be castrated so as to prevent them from giving life to handicapped children (it's called "eugenincs"). Granted, a violent criminal offender is quite different from a handicapped person, but I think the argument would fall out the same way. I think the courts would disallow castration, even in a humane surgical manner.

Perhaps it is my view on children, my being a woman, or my being anasexual, but I've never really seen the big punishment part of having your gonads removed (both male and female). Is it a passing on your genes thing? Then save some gametes frozen in a bank. You end up innocent? No harm, no foul on that part. Is it a hormonal thing? Because you can take hormones to replace the ones you can't produce anymore (though that may defeat the purpose, unless proved innocent).

With the eugenics bit... if it was castration of a male rapist, the lack of being able to reproduce would merely be a side effect. Now in the case of a female rapist... castration would seem rather pointless wouldn't it, as it in no way hinders a woman's want to dominate another person, or their ability to do so sexually. It only limits their ability to reproduce. Though, if the woman (or a man) IS a rapist, is it really sensible to allow her/him to raise a child? Hm...

Perhaps it is my view on children, my being a woman, or my being anasexual, but I've never really seen the big punishment part of having your gonads removed (both male and female). Is it a passing on your genes thing? Then save some gametes frozen in a bank. You end up innocent? No harm, no foul on that part. Is it a hormonal thing? Because you can take hormones to replace the ones you can't produce anymore (though that may defeat the purpose, unless proved innocent).

With the eugenics bit... if it was castration of a male rapist, the lack of being able to reproduce would merely be a side effect. Now in the case of a female rapist... castration would seem rather pointless wouldn't it, as it in no way hinders a woman's want to dominate another person, or their ability to do so sexually. It only limits their ability to reproduce. Though, if the woman (or a man) IS a rapist, is it really sensible to allow her/him to raise a child? Hm...

If the removal is coerced by the state, it is a harm. If they are forcibly taken from you without your consent as a result of something you've done, I would consider that to be a punishment. As to the question of gender, any law that applies differently to men and women is patently unconstitutional. Equal protection of the laws requires no less. It is also worth noting that the children of criminals are not necessarily criminals themselves. We don't regulate who can and can't have children. If the environment in which they are raised is sufficiently unhealthy, the children will be removed.

If the removal is coerced by the state, it is a harm. If they are forcibly taken from you without your consent as a result of something you've done, I would consider that to be a punishment. As to the question of gender, any law that applies differently to men and women is patently unconstitutional. Equal protection of the laws requires no less. It is also worth noting that the children of criminals are not necessarily criminals themselves. We don't regulate who can and can't have children. If the environment in which they are raised is sufficiently unhealthy, the children will be removed.

This is true, I wasn't saying that women should be treated differently than men, I was just thinking about the point of the procedure. Though truly, the removal of the ovaries is a more difficult procedure than removel of the testes, I'm quite sure.

I also was not implying in this case that the criminals' children would be criminals... but the point is, why should a known sex offender be allowed to birth a child that is either going to be taken away at birth or is going to be taken away after being molested or raped?

This is true, I wasn't saying that women should be treated differently than men, I was just thinking about the point of the procedure. Though truly, the removal of the ovaries is a more difficult procedure than removel of the testes, I'm quite sure.

I also was not implying in this case that the criminals' children would be criminals... but the point is, why should a known sex offender be allowed to birth a child that is either going to be taken away at birth or is going to be taken away after being molested or raped?

I agree, the removal of the ovaries is certainly more difficult, if for no other reason that an incision has to be made into the abdominal cavity.

I am unwilling to assume that all offenders are going to be repeat offenders necessitating the removal of their children. There certainly are those who reform their ways. We could probably reduce recidivism rates further, but I don't know precisely how and that isn't the point of this thread, so I won't get into it here. The point I am trying to make is simply that we should not assume that the criminal will be an unfit parent.

I agree, the removal of the ovaries is certainly more difficult, if for no other reason that an incision has to be made into the abdominal cavity.

I am unwilling to assume that all offenders are going to be repeat offenders necessitating the removal of their children. There certainly are those who reform their ways. We could probably reduce recidivism rates further, but I don't know precisely how and that isn't the point of this thread, so I won't get into it here. The point I am trying to make is simply that we should not assume that the criminal will be an unfit parent.

If that is the case, then why couldn't you store a sample of the person's gametes away, so that if they seem rehabilitated they could still have children, just not through sex?

Anyway, I must be off. Interest debate though, I generally think of rape as from the perspective of a male offender, but taking into account female rapists, castration seems a bit iffy... though I do stand by that removing testosterone from a male's system could be a way to decrease chances of repeat offenses.

Toodles.

We should also consider that sex offenders generally re-offend, so one could say that rehabilitation does not work, there are drugs that help, but they have to be taken, and one should also consider that sex-offenders usually have a history of being offended against, i think it really is a social issue that needs to be addressed at an early age , as clever as we think we all are most of our behavoir is learned, but even so the real issue here seems to me to be, protection of the general population from those who have committed a crime and a strong commitment from the government of the day to deal with these individuals in a humane way at the same time, and let's not forget the victims who always at least in my experience get left to deal with the whole mess all by themselves, hmmm a government with a social conscience, and what about the prime agenda here "SEX" , should we perhaps be looking at our attitudes towards sex and it's place in our society, oh i could go on and on here so i'll stop now :rolleyes:

If that is the case, then why couldn't you store a sample of the person's gametes away, so that if they seem rehabilitated they could still have children, just not through sex?

Anyway, I must be off. Interest debate though, I generally think of rape as from the perspective of a male offender, but taking into account female rapists, castration seems a bit iffy... though I do stand by that removing testosterone from a male's system could be a way to decrease chances of repeat offenses.

Toodles.

You certainly could do so, but I still maintain that such a punishment is not justified and would not be allowed under the laws of the U.S. The arguments against it may be slippery slope (for example, if we castrate why not amputate a robbers hands?) but there's also an issue of fundamental rights. It seems like we have a fundamental right to be protected in our physical persons. If for no other reason than the irreversability of castration, I'm unwilling to allow it. I will not risk such a drastic measure being executed on an innocent individual.

Well, thanks everyone for the stimulating debate. I have to go get some sleep. Goodnight!

Answer the poll for violent rape only. Not statutory rape.

For violent rape, castration. :fluffle:

For violent rape, castration. :fluffle:

WTF is wrong with people. You for example. And by my estimate 75 % of the posters in this thread. My God. I am fucking speechless at how heartless so much of mankind appears to be. You 75% are no better, and probably worse than any rapist.

And Kiwikrog I am disturbed that anyone would come up with the option "sustainiable torture until they die of old age."

I am even more creeped out that people voted that way, these for example.

Adrian Barbeau-Bot, Angry Fruit Salad, Antebellum South, Antichristz, Armandian Cheese, Cadmiumtopia, Collegeland, Daekerius, Dostanuot Loj, Ffc2, Flanvel, Itsdawhitebunny, Kazcaper, Kthulustan, Lizyeria, Lord Ganja, Marlboronia, Myhrism, Netonika, Pandoramaroo, Peardon, Red Sox Fanatics, Sdaeriji, Superpower07, Talfen, Terranus, The Hitler Jugend, Trilateral Commission, Ulorl

Congratulations all of the above, Hitler would have been proud.

Here's a thought. Remove all external male parts, with no anestetic, then suture up the end of the urethra. Wait untill inmate's bladder explodes, then wait another 11 days. Inmate will be dead. If not, shoot in stomach from 100 yards with a .22 (it will bounce around and cause a huge mess in their organs, more so than a handgun point-blank) This should do it, but if not, hit with one inch rocks untill dead. Drag coprse through streets, with sign that says "Rapist"

WTF is wrong with people. You for example. And by my estimate 75 % of the posters in this thread. My God. I am fucking speechless at how heartless so much of mankind appears to be. You 75% are no better, and probably worse than any rapist.Let's start a "Save the Rapist" organization, as they are obviously a majorly victimized group.

Why do so many people find rape acceptable enough to warrant a tiny punishment, and concern for thier welfare and "rehabilitation"?

And then accuse the people who think that you shouldn't be able to get away lightly with such a dehabilitating and personal violation of being sadists and heartless?

No, I don't have a heart for rapists. Would you have a heart for a man who raped or killed someone you know?

Let's start a "Save the Rapist" organization, as they are obviously a majorly victimized group.

Why do so many people find rape acceptable enough to warrant a tiny punishment, and concern for thier welfare and "rehabilitation"?

And then accuse the people who think that you shouldn't be able to get away lightly with such a dehabilitating and personal violation with being sadists and heartless?

No, I don't have a heart for rapists. Would you have a heart for a man who raped or killed someone you know?

No, let's start a different group. How does "People for Basic Human Kindness and Compassion" sound? We'll work to try and make people realize that criminals are still people, and although we need to make sure they cannot hurt others, that they still retain rights, and deserve to be treated with dignity and compassion. I note that you voted for castration among others. You can't join.

To your question, I would try. I know what my instincts would be telling me - 'take revenge...', 'an eye for an eye...', kill him/her for what he/she did!' But I know what is right, and would try with all my spirit to control those instincts. I honestly cannot say 100% whether I would live up to my own ideals, but I know I would try.

And Kiwikrog I am disturbed that anyone would come up with the option "sustainiable torture until they die of old age." I also came up with the option "Make rape legal"

I went for a spectrum from both extremes...
No, let's start a different group. How does "People for Basic Human Kindness and Compassion" sound? We'll work to try and make people realize that criminals are still people, and although we need to make sure they cannot hurt others, that they still retain rights, and deserve to be treated with dignity and compassion. I note that you voted for castration among others. You can't join. We lock a murderer away in prison to stop them from killing again.

Judging by the hugely high rate of reoffending among rapists, we either have to lock them up and throw away the key, or remove their source of agression and sexual drive.

I'd be happy giving a rapist the choice: 25 years and castration, or life in prison. I'm kind like that ;)

Sorry, compassion I can't do.
com·pas·sion Audio pronunciation of "compassion" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (km-pshn)
n.

Deep awareness of the suffering of another coupled with the wish to relieve it.Ain't gonna happen. I am worried about the suffering of the victim, not the criminal and there's no way in hell I want to relieve anything for the rapist.

I also came up with the option "Make rape legal"

I went for a spectrum from both extremes...
We lock a murderer away in prison to stop them from killing again.

Judging by the hugely high rate of reoffending among rapists, we either have to lock them up and throw away the key, or remove their source of agression and sexual drive.

I'd be happy giving a rapist the choice: 25 years and castration, or life in prison. I'm kind like that ;)

Sorry, compassion I can't do.
Ain't gonna happen. I am worried about the suffering of the victim, not the criminal and there's no way in hell I want to relieve anything for the rapist.

Well I'm more creeped out at the option than accusing you of anything. To the rest, I mean if you feel nothing inside for another human being suffering, regardless of what he/she has done, then it's really pointless for me to argue. But bear in mind that the above lapse of conscience is very similar to that an unrepentant rapist might show towards his/her victim. I guess we can agree to disagree, but my original shock and objection still stands.

In the end, we need more compassion in this world. Violent behavior and revenge are two sides of the same coin, and both symptoms of the same glaring deficiancy.

Castration only if it is chemical and not permanent. If it is permanent then it violates their God given rights.

Well I'm more creeped out at the option than accusing you of anything. To the rest, I mean if you feel nothing inside for another human being suffering, regardless of what he/she has done, then it's really pointless for me to argue. But bear in mind that the above lapse of conscience is very similar to that an unrepentant rapist might show towards his/her victim. I guess we can agree to disagree, but my original shock and objection still stands.

In the end, we need more compassion in this world. Violent behavior and revenge are two sides of the same coin, and both symptoms of the same glaring deficiancy.
I wholeheartly agree.

Peopl in this forum scares the living daylight out of me. It is not about punishment but about personal revenge and hatred that turns people blind. It is based on societies fear rather than on ratinoal thinking. No wonder we live in a society that find violence perfectly normal but go ape shit over a naked tit. It's sick!

Well I'm more creeped out at the option than accusing you of anything. To the rest, I mean if you feel nothing inside for another human being suffering, regardless of what he/she has done, then it's really pointless for me to argue.This whole thread shows that I feel a lot for people suffering. I've never been raped, neither has anyone I know, but I can imagine their suffering. The suffering of these victims is huge, and I'm more concerned about their suffering than the suffering of the person who caused the situation.


But bear in mind that the above lapse of conscience is very similar to that an unrepentant rapist might show towards his/her victim. I guess we can agree to disagree, but my original shock and objection still stands.We just have different ideas on conscience.

I think it's inconscionable to punish someone committing rape with a mere two years in prison, and giving the victim the knowledge of all the pleasurable freedom the rapist is having after such a short time.

In the end, we need more compassion in this world. Violent behavior and revenge are two sides of the same coin, and both symptoms of the same glaring deficiancy.I refuse to have compassion for someone who has stripped their victim of their dignity, their health, possible impregnated them and often killed them.

People don't automatically deserve compassion because they have two legs and walk around. Unconditional compassion makes real compassion meaningless.

When did it become your job to be prosecution, jury, judge and executioner?
Well, if I catch them in the middle of the act, they are obviously guilty, which only leaves the position of executioner, one which I would be more than happy to fulfill.

Revenge should not be an option in the legal system. Locking them away for a very long time to protect society. As a rape survivor, I couldn't in good conscience advocate maiming another human, even my rapist. I'd be very happy to see him rot in prison.

Well, if I catch them in the middle of the act, they are obviously guilty, which only leaves the position of executioner, one which I would be more than happy to fulfill.
Bzzzz! Wrong!

That makes you no better than the rapist. Even if you come across one in the act, there is nothing written anywhere in a justice system that grants you those rights. In that case, you are even more despicable than a rapist.

Let's see now in last weeks paper i have a man convicted of rape, he got 4 years, will probably be out in 2 years, hmmm an armed robbery, 7 years guess that really means about 4 years with good behavoir, oh my social security fraud, hmmm a single mum with 3 children 5 years and still has to repay the government, her children are going into foster care, oh well there is your answer if you want justice carry a gun and a large wad of cash and the law will take pity on you, when did they privatize the law anyway, it seems to me if the law had a social conscience the above crimes would at the very least have had penalties in the reverse order, maybe it's not the penalties themselves that need to be looked at, but those who hand down the judgements, given that they must still operate within the confines of the governments legislation, who is responsible for the government anyway, is it "YOU"

Bzzzz! Wrong!

That makes you no better than the rapist. Even if you come across one in the act, there is nothing written anywhere in a justice system that grants you those rights. In that case, you are even more despicable than a rapist.
actually, you are the one for whom the buzzer is sounding...

under American law, if you come upon another person being attacked by a third, you are totally within your rights to stop the third person by whatever means are necessary. indeed, there are many American state in which laws have been passed that REQUIRE you to intercede. if you kill the attacker then it will most likely qualify as self-defense.

AHH but Bottle we are not all in america, :rolleyes: In the golden sunshiny blueskyed, happiness is a cold beer and a hot meatpie country of australia, we are only allowed to use reasonable force, which means if you overdo it your attacker can sue your butt off and the police will probably charge you with assault, mind you they will if they can turn a blind eye for a brief moment, but i never said that, it is don't you think more important that the courts are able to insure the safety of the general population with laws designed specifically for that purpose and in so doing takes into account the suffering of the victim, who as we all should know in this kind of crime carries that burden for a very long time, much longer than the purveyor of the crime

All punishment does is make the person angrier, bitter, and more hostile. Thus, they will strike out again. Castration might prevent a sexual rape, but anyone who knows anything about the reasons for rape, know that it has little to do with actual intercourse. It's a mental thing.

All everyone is suggesting is making the world a worse place, because you're just giving a person more reason to create more crime.

How about rehabilitating a person so they don't feel like committing crimes again? Maybe even having the rapist help the person they've raped, and in the end, both will heal and become better people.

I mean, they must be committing a crime for a reason, right? If not, they are mentally unstable and should be put in a special institution.

Also: American Law states that if you encounter a rape, you are required to do what is in your power to stop it. HOWEVER, once it is stopped, you have no right whatsoever to do any further damage. If you so much as lay a hand on the rapist, you are committing a crime.

If American law says any such thing, it must be new.
There was some guy in Nevada a couple of years ago that came across his friend raping an eight year old girl in a public restroom. He didn't stop it, prefering to walk away. His friend ended up killing the little girl. His friend got charged, but even though everyone was outraged, he couldn't be. No law against not helping, no law requiring him to report it.

Well kitten under australian law that guy would have been charged with aiding and abetting, which means the law here would consider him as guilty as the rapist, and he would have been charged and tried accordingly, it makes you wonder just how much people really care about thier own friends and family when i hear things like that, how can they not be marching in the streets to protest a change to the law

Castration sounds entirely outside the bounds of government. If the guy got out on bail and a group organized by the raped castrated them then I guess looking the other way wouldn't be a problem. But anyways, government involvement should be 45 years to life of incarceration depending on premeditation, multiply occurrences, et cetera. And attempting to resolve the problem through psychiatric help sounds good too. If the psychiatrist believes that he would no longer rape anyone then I guess he could be let out under probation. And if the psychiatrist proves wrong they could be charged in addition to losing a job.

*kills* Antebellum South, Bunnyducks, FelineNation, Ffc2, Haxorzz, OMGJesuslandLOL, Passive Cookies, Sdaeriji, Superpower07, Trilateral Commission, and Village Burning, for saying rape should be legal *kills them very dead*

The rapist cannot ever experience gratification the same way if they lack the offending piece of anatomy. My vote's for castrating.

Also, the prospect of this form of punishment preventing would-be rapists is a plus too. A harsh enough punishment will be enough to help some people off of others.

The rapist should have a wooden stick repeatedly shoved up his ass to show him what it feels like to be violated. If he does more abuse, he gets more abuse.

That makes you no better than the rapist. Even if you come across one in the act, there is nothing written anywhere in a justice system that grants you those rights. In that case, you are even more despicable than a rapist.
No better than the rapist? When exactly did I take away an innocent's right to a whole and healthy body and mind? When exactly did I force my own twisted sense of sexuality and invade the part of a person's psyche that is generally conisidered the part given only to those we care about and trust? When did I proceed to rip apart that state of mind, most probably damaging that person's personality forever?