NationStates Jolt Archive

Ok, I'm sure you all heard of how that right-wing group got all ticked about how Spongebob was in that video that preached tolerance towards gays, rite?

Well I think I've found their next target: out of total boredom, I was watching that show, Lilo and Stitch: The Series, on Disney Channel . . . apparently one of the aliens is a male "gender-confused" alien that likes to dress and act like a woman.

While it doesn't bother me personally, don't you think it's gettin kinda absurd at how people are lashing out at childrens' programming?

Not if it goes against their morals. They don't want their children "confused" by "wrong" ideals. It's quite simple actually...not all that hard to understand. Parents want their children to take on their ideals, not the ideals of a corporation such as Disney.

Parents want their children to take on their ideals, not the ideals of a corporation such as Disney.
True . . . but the extent some of them are going to do that is just plain scary

Parent may feel that certain shows or films have "bad" messages. That's fine, but nobody's forcing them and their kids to watch them. If a parent deems something to be unfit for their kid to watch, then so be it, but it's not their business to act as some kind of national censor. What other people's kid's watch is up to other people.

True . . . but the extent some of them are going to do that is just plain scary

It's the world we live in. Instead of taking responsibility for their own actions (ie. turning the channel) they decide that they have to bring lawyers into them mix. Now as a law student, I hardly mind that, but in reality it's retarded. Same thing with the lady suing mcdonalds because her coffee was hot when she spilled it on herself. As Americans, we're really pathetic in regards to this. Forget gays and fatties, this practice is the real stain on today's society.

Instead of taking responsibility for their own actions (ie. turning the channel) they decide that they have to bring lawyers into them mix. Now as a law student, I hardly mind that, but in reality it's retarded. Same thing with the lady suing mcdonalds because her coffee was hot when she spilled it on herself. As Americans, we're really pathetic in regards to this. Forget gays and fatties, this practice is the real stain on today's society.
Yeah, I hate claims culture too

but it's not their business to act as some kind of national censor.

Nope...that's the business of your friendly neighborhood FCC

Because of course, we can't watch saving private ryan on veterans day or have sexually suggestive material on prime time TV...because it's the government's job to keep us innocent...

Because of course, we can't watch saving private ryan on veterans day or have sexually suggestive material on prime time TV...because it's the government's job to keep us innocent...

In case you thought I was advocating government censorship, no. I abhor all censorship, people need to be their own censors.

And I'm with SuperPower on this one, the idea of the compensation culture is ridiculous. If a law hasn't been broken, legal action doesn't need to be taken.

In case you thought I was advocating government censorship, no. I abhor all censorship, people need to be their own censors.

And I'm with SuperPower on this one, the idea of the compensation culture is ridiculous. If a law hasn't been broken, legal action doesn't need to be taken.

I wasn't going against you, I was just continuing my rant...lol...

It took you that long to see that aspect of Disney?

What about Gay Days? An event where homosexuals have been seeing having sex in public areas of the park, the disney parades are hosted with drag queens and homosexuals.

This really isn't something new.

What about Gay Days? An event where homosexuals have been seeing having sex in public areas of the park, the disney parades are hosted with drag queens and homosexuals.

Utter BS about the public sex.

its hilarious how gays have to be included in everything for the sake of political correctness

This really isn't something new.
I know, but I thought I'd bring it up with this new string of attacks against gays

If they see all the homosexuals and transgenderedness in anime these guys' heads will explode.

or else the person is considered an extreme homophobe and should be shot

If they see all the homosexuals and transgenderedness in anime these guys' heads will explode.
Heh, doesn't Letila use hentai as a defense against neocons?

i think its just funny how the nationally recognized family values network/themepark/movie maker is extremely open to gays, which so many soccer moms hate while still loving disney

The "true" stain on todays society is claim culture?

The true stain of the modern world's society is that we let people in power that have radical ideas, THAT's what wrong with the world, I now this is probably how about half of mans history was reigned, but giving Bush the power to lock you up, without your precious phonecall and without your nice $100,- an hour lawyer is plain stupidity and, YES, Bush has the power to do that! (PATRIOT act. 1 and 2 anyone?)

Be free to think, not to vote!

The "true" stain on todays society is claim culture?

The true stain of the modern world's society is that we let people in power that have radical ideas, THAT's what wrong with the world, I now this is probably how about half of mans history was reigned, but giving Bush the power to lock you up, without your precious phonecall and without your nice $100,- an hour lawyer is plain stupidity and, YES, Bush has the power to do that! (PATRIOT act. 1 and 2 anyone?)

Be free to think, not to vote!

first of all: what does that have to do with disney and gays
second of all:STFU

gasp , presses panick button and hides in anti wierdness shelter.

i'm not really homophobic

i just had to write a whole speech concerning gay marraige

first of all: what does that have to do with disney and gays
second of all:STFU

It has alot to do with disney and gays. Read between the lines, maybe then you'll get it.

It has alot to do with disney and gays. Read between the lines, maybe then you'll get it.
When I read between the lines, I see "I'm a flaming bush hater!!!"

The patriot act is designed to protect you. it wont infringe on your freedoms unless you've done something wrong. youre not gonna get arrested if youre living out your normal life. however, if you start sending out anthrax, you will get arrested.

anyways, i just had to clear that leftist bs outta yer head.

beck to disney and stuff.

When I read between the lines, I see "I'm a flaming bush hater!!!"

The patriot act is designed to protect you. it wont infringe on your freedoms unless you've done something wrong. youre not gonna get arrested if youre living out your normal life. however, if you start sending out anthrax, you will get arrested.

anyways, i just had to clear that leftist bs outta yer head.

beck to disney and stuff.

To bad you believe that :(

I guess those parents that don't agree witrh that should just narrowmind their kinds even further. George Orwell said it like a pro in his book "1984".

have you been arrested for nothing yet? have any of your friends or family? if not, you dont have any reason to complain.

well of course disney promotes gays. minnie is the butchest mouse ever to walk the earth.

well of course disney promotes gays. minnie is the butchest mouse ever to walk the earth.
maybe mickey has a split personality and minnie represents his feminine side. cuz minnie is mickey with a dress on

have you been arrested for nothing yet? have any of your friends or family? if not, you dont have any reason to complain.

no but many people who were innocent have been.the fact it even allows that power makes it wrong.

1984,just remember that.

have you been arrested for nothing yet? have any of your friends or family? if not, you dont have any reason to complain.

No, but I've been threatened by Public Safety on campus for sitting on a hill next to my building (still in the dorm block, therefore on campus property -- which I'm allowed on!!) after dark, and meditating. The second time it happened, one of the guys cited some bullshit section of the Patriot Act...like one person sitting on a hill, completely zoned out is plotting a terrorist act....wtf

or else the person is considered an extreme homophobe and should be shot
Hrm?
Last time I checked, there were more people busy trying to get the homosexuals *out* of everything. I've never heard anyone say that homosexuals should be included on PC-ness, but a lot of people claim they do...

Yeah its bullshit, its not making people gay, cause people dont choose to be gay, so if anything it is accepting gays, which is what they say, but its not even that, Spongebob is a cartoon, the religious right should f*** themselves.

10% is not enough. Recruit, recruit, recruit!

Careful, a religious fundamentalist website could use you as an example of "Studies"

The problem with the patriot act is that it allows someone to just say "I think he's guilty." And you can be arrested and put away. You can't advocate that someone shouldn't get a trial because of the heinous crimes they have supposedly commited without giving them a trial to prove that they commited those crimes.

Not if it goes against their morals. They don't want their children "confused" by "wrong" ideals. It's quite simple actually...not all that hard to understand. Parents want their children to take on their ideals, not the ideals of a corporation such as Disney.

Yes but attacking anything shouldn't be as justifiable as you make it. I could say your name is immoral because there are no Steel Butterflys. And hopefully, someone would call me an idiot for doing it.

its hilarious how gays have to be included in everything for the sake of political correctness

Isn't it funny how hetro's have to beat up gays to be comfortable with their own sexuality.

It's odd how some people try to downplay the shit gays go through because it's not as bad as, say, what blacks went through in the 50s. Odd thing is, I've never heard of black people's funerals being attended by people holding signs which say "Siphilis is God's cure for blacks", Which is something gays have to deal with today.

Ok, I'm sure you all heard of how that right-wing group got all ticked about how Spongebob was in that video that preached tolerance towards gays, rite?

Well I think I've found their next target: out of total boredom, I was watching that show, Lilo and Stitch: The Series, on Disney Channel . . . apparently one of the aliens is a male "gender-confused" alien that likes to dress and act like a woman.

While it doesn't bother me personally, don't you think it's gettin kinda absurd at how people are lashing out at childrens' programming?

Think about it, children are very influential. Hell, they're personality is formed by the age of 3 (or maybe it was 5). Our children are already being spoonfed Liberal garbage by the media.
For instance, lets say there's a cartoon show with a bunch of turtles playing together. Then a squirrel comes along and wants to play too, but some of the turtles dont want him there. Then one of the turtles says "Look guys, just cause he's different than us, doesnt mean he cant be our friend."
See what I mean? The children are being to to treat everyone as equals.....something any intelligent person knows it simply nor true. The lefties are doing a good job brainwashing our children, but it wont last forever. Someday, children's television shows will teach them the important things in life like it used to.....like being proud of who they are, and that working hard is the only way to reach success.

BOTTOM LINE
The media has a HUGE impact on our children, and promoting homosexuality or "gender-confusion" isnt going to help them in life.

Oh, in the title, it should have been "teh ghey fagotts". Youaren't spelling it anywhere near right.
:D

For instance, lets say there's a cartoon show with a bunch of turtles playing together. Then a squirrel comes along and wants to play too, but some of the turtles dont want him there. Then one of the turtles says "Look guys, just cause he's different than us, doesnt mean he cant be our friend."
See what I mean? The children are being to to treat everyone as equals.....something any intelligent person knows it simply nor true.
Wait, so it's liberal brainwashing to teach kids that we should accept people despite their differences? What would they call it if the turtles start beating the crap out of the squirrel? Values?

Wait, so it's liberal brainwashing to teach kids that we should accept people despite their differences? What would they call it if the turtles start beating the crap out of the squirrel? Values?

No, that would be wrong too. The turtles should say, "We are turtles, and we are proud to be turtles. We dont want to play with squirrels." Its simple and polite.

The media has a HUGE impact on our children, and promoting homosexuality or "gender-confusion" isnt going to help them in life.
Do you think any of us would choose to be gender-confused or gay? We get dumped on by many other people, and we get told we're evil and immoral by many major religions. I, for one, would not have chosen it, but I didn't get the chance.

Oh, in the title, it should have been "teh ghey fagotts". Youaren't spelling it anywhere near right.
:D
lol fegits

Do you think any of us would choose to be gender-confused or gay? We get dumped on by many other people, and we get told we're evil and immoral by many major religions. I, for one, would not have chosen it, but I didn't get the chance.

I dont believe people choose to be gay.
Who would choose to be a social outcast?
However, having said that, just because they dont choose to be like that doesnt mean we should let them be equal in our society.
Hasnt anyone heard of something called The Law of Nature?
Gays (gay couples) dont reproduce. Hence they are not "normal." They same thing as mules. They are infertile. There are a genetic defect, if you will. Its a crime against nature. Nature doesn like gays, take a hint.

No, that would be wrong too. The turtles should say, "We are turtles, and we are proud to be turtles. We dont want to play with squirrels." Its simple and polite.

And what makes the turtles better than the squirrels?

I dont believe people choose to be gay.
Okay, then what does your earlier point about "promoting it have to do with anything now?
And I don't really care what you say Nature hates or does not hate. Does that mean we should be oppressed?

And what makes the turtles better than the squirrels?

Nothing. Turtles arent better than squirrles. (And thats not the issue here anyway).
Turtles are turtles.
Squirrels are squirrles.
They dont associate in nature, hence they shouldnt associate on TV just to make children learn "acceptance"

I dont believe people choose to be gay.
Who would choose to be a social outcast?
However, having said that, just because they dont choose to be like that doesnt mean we should let them be equal in our society.
Hasnt anyone heard of something called The Law of Nature?
Gays (gay couples) dont reproduce. Hence they are not "normal." They same thing as mules. They are infertile. There are a genetic defect, if you will. Its a crime against nature. Nature doesn like gays, take a hint.

Actually, they aren't infertile. Maybe some research would help your cause?

Nothing. Turtles arent better than squirrles. (And thats not the issue here anyway).
Turtles are turtles.
Squirrels are squirrles.
They dont associate in nature, hence they shouldnt associate on TV just to make children learn "acceptance"
Hmm, well it seemed to me that you were pushing a different point with the gay issue. It seemed to me you were saying gays were inferior. Did I misread?

Okay, then what does your earlier point about "promoting it" have to do with anything now?

It shouldnt be promoted because its not normal. It shouldnt be promoted as something good, nor should someone with a cancer be shown in a good light.
We should promote the healthy and strong (of mind and body), not the weak and sick.

It shouldnt be promoted because its not normal. It shouldnt be promoted as something good, nor should someone with a cancer be shown in a good light.
We should promote the healthy and strong (of mind and body), not the weak and sick.
How does being gay make a person weak and sick?

We should promote the healthy and strong (of mind and body), not the weak and sick.
Yay for the master race. [/nazi]

So I take it you don't think that blacks and whites, or asians and hispanics, or christians and atheists, or liberals and conservatives should associate with each other? These are people with rather enormous differences.

gasp , presses panick button and hides in anti wierdness shelter.

i'm not really homophobic
Yeah, but honestly, would you let your sister marry a gay man?

Actually, they aren't infertile. Maybe some research would help your cause?

Actually they are infertile. While one or both of the partners may be fertile, together two males or two females cannot possibly conceive a child. At least with human and every other mating species I have ever heard of. You might argue afticial insemenation but that requires an outside source, the couple is still infertile.

I do know people who have chosen homosexuality.

Yeah, but honestly, would you let your sister marry a gay man?

Why would a gay man be marrying a woman in the first place?

Actually they are infertile. While one or both of the partners may be fertile, together two males or two females cannot possibly conceive a child. At least with human and every other mating species I have ever heard of. You might argue afticial insemenation but that requires an outside source, the couple is still infertile.

I do know people who have chosen homosexuality.
I believe he was talking about mules.

Why would a gay man be marrying a woman in the first place?
It was a joke, I believe.

Actually they are infertile. While one or both of the partners may be fertile, together two males or two females cannot possibly conceive a child. At least with human and every other mating species I have ever heard of. You might argue afticial insemenation but that requires an outside source, the couple is still infertile.

I do know people who have chosen homosexuality.
I believe what Shaed meant was that they could choose to mate with a member of the opposite sex and have children if it wer required of them. But we've got enough people around already, so there's no need.

I can't believe I just read this whole post. :rolleyes:

Does anyone have anything to say about homosexuality that isn't directly lifted out of the mouth of a Fox/MSNBC/CNN political scream pundit?

Try and simply lift yourself out of the gutter. Or try writing an opinion instead of a barbed and jagged, slash and burn testimony to ignorance.

As a gay man, I have no need for you to like me or what I am. You can even have and cherish your prejudice - enjoy. However, your need to exorcize homosexuals from American (US) culture is simply an exercise in futility. Homosexual behavior has been present in human cultures since the beginning of civilization as we know it. Simply because the US political landscape is currently in a conservative swing, coupled with a society dominated by fear, will not make gays fade away.

Laws, based on fear, won’t stand the test of time, even in the short term. Even with a reactionary conservative Supreme Court. Though goals of the LGBT community may seem more distant than they were a few years ago, I have nothing, but FAITH that fairness and equality will reign in our society. Even in my lifetime.

So stick that in your Disney cartoon blah blah pipe and smoke it.

Wahoo! ScoMo the Homo

Here is my opinion.

I believe that all this crap about how the gays are suffering is Bullshit. Yea they get a Gay Day, they are major players on the TV scene, and they get a parade where they can fuck one another in public in the eyes of millions. Boo hoo cry me a river. Now if the gays were going through the same stuff the blacks went through in the 50's THEN they would have a case. Also blacks need to shut up today. Today the KKK is a freaking joke, so is the Aryan Nation. They have chances and choices to succeed in life presented to them. All they need to do is take that chance. I see very little racial opression, and no the white man is NOT holding them down. They need to stop blaming stuff on the white man and look within themselves.

Now back to the gays. Personally I think the gays need to stop shoving their sexuality in my face. I don't go around screwing my girlfriend and saying "LOOK AT ME, I'M STRAIGHT!" They shouldn't either. Its just common sense and decency.

Does anyone have anything to say about homosexuality that isn't directly lifted out of the mouth of a Fox/MSNBC/CNN political scream pundit?

It was mostly one person against it. At least, it seemed so.

I believe that all this crap about how the gays are suffering is Bullshit. Yea they get a Gay Day, they are major players on the TV scene, and they get a parade where they can fuck one another in public in the eyes of millions.
What parade might this be? I've never heard of a parade with public sex...
Seeing as it's illegal...
Now back to the gays. Personally I think the gays need to stop shoving their sexuality in my face. I don't go around screwing my girlfriend and saying "LOOK AT ME, I'M STRAIGHT!" They shouldn't either. Its just common sense and decency.
I don't go around screwing my girlfriend saying "Look at me, I'm lesbian!"
I've never heard of people doing that either...

What parade might this be? I've never heard of a parade with public sex...
Seeing as it's illegal...

I don't go around screwing my girlfriend saying "Look at me, I'm lesbian!"
I've never heard of people doing that either...


Answear to both, The Gay Pride Parade.

I believe that all this crap about how the gays are suffering is Bullshit.
Remind me to picket your funeral when you die.

Yea they get a Gay Day, they are major players on the TV scene, and they get a parade where they can fuck one another in public in the eyes of millions.
I don't suppose you have ONE SHRED of evidence, do you?

Where the hell do people get these rumors about public gay sex? And seriously, if you wanna start a straight pride parade, go ahead. No one cares to stop you. They have the gay pride parade to convince themselves that, despite what society tries to tell them every day, they arn't horrible people, and they arn't freaks. If you honestly can't deal with that, I think you've got the problem.

Remind me to picket your funeral when you die.


Where the hell do people get these rumors about public gay sex? And seriously, if you wanna start a straight pride parade, go ahead. No one cares to stop you. They have the gay pride parade to convince themselves that, despite what society tries to tell them every day, they arn't horrible people, and they arn't freaks. If you honestly can't deal with that, I think you've got the problem.

If you want people to accept you as normal people. How about BEING NORMAL! Stop being a flaming homo. Now I'm not saying you have to be straight. You can be gay I don't care about that aspect. Just don't shove it in my face, I don't want to know or care to know. The fact that you people shove it in America's face with the meda is what getting everyone upset.

Take a lesson from the blacks. You don't see Colin Powell, Condo Rice, and other blacks political leaders going to press confrence in gangsta style clothes and saying "Yo Yo Yo, I want to talk to my peeps!"

Get a freakin clue, We don't want to know what you do in the bedroom. So Shut up about it.

Answear to both, The Gay Pride Parade.

I've been to tons of pride parades and have never seen anyone have sex in public. Unsurprisingly, since it is a family event for many. And, of course, because gay people don't want to have sex in public any more often than straight people do.

And straight people cram their heterosexuality down people's throats all the time; turn on the TV, read a newspaper, go to a park, go to a store and see how many heterosexuals you can see doing heterosexual acts. Go ahead! See how it is and then come back and say you can't stand a one day parade, which nobody is forcing you to watch or go to anyway.

Answear to both, The Gay Pride Parade.
Okay, what the fuck. I just Googled it and found out that there have been incidents of public sex and nudity in gay pride parades.
:mad:
Hooray, they've pushed back acceptance by 30 years!

If you want people to accept you as normal people. How about BEING NORMAL! Stop being a flaming homo. Now I'm not saying you have to be straight. You can be gay I don't care about that aspect. Just don't shove it in my face, I don't want to know or care to know. The fact that you people shove it in America's face with the meda is what getting everyone upset.

That is just plain old BS. "You can be gay, as long as you don't let it show". Bollocks to that!

Okay, what the fuck. I just Googled it and found out that there have been incidents of public sex and nudity in gay pride parades.
:mad:
Hooray, they've pushed back acceptance by 30 years!

Ever see Mardi Gras parades? Gay people would need to have a lot more than "incidents" to beat straight people at public sex.

And pride parades aren't about being accepted because gays don't have public sex or are wonderful people or bloody saints - they're about being accepted period, no strings attached. In the same way as straight people can fuck their brains out at parades gays should be able to and people should understand that it doesn't reflect on anyone else but those who chose to have public sex. So, spare us all the whole "accept us cause we're good people crap" and come with the "accept us cause we're people" period.

If you want people to accept you as normal people. How about BEING NORMAL! Stop being a flaming homo. Now I'm not saying you have to be straight. You can be gay I don't care about that aspect. Just don't shove it in my face, I don't want to know or care to know. The fact that you people shove it in America's face with the meda is what getting everyone upset.

Take a lesson from the blacks. You don't see Colin Powell, Condo Rice, and other blacks political leaders going to press confrence in gangsta style clothes and saying "Yo Yo Yo, I want to talk to my peeps!"

Get a freakin clue, We don't want to know what you do in the bedroom. So Shut up about it.
Well, you are quite certainly broadly stereotyping there. What gives you the assumption that we do those things? I don't shove anything into anybody's face. Neither do any of my friends, that I know of. The problem is a small but vocal minority inside the minority that's not taking the best route to acceptance.

If anything, I bet we'd like less media attention, because all they're doing is convincing the public that we're evil. At least, my local news stations...

That is just plain old BS. "You can be gay, as long as you don't let it show". Bollocks to that!

THANK YOU! You finally freakin get it! Oh my god, acting like a normal person in society will get you accepted it! What a freakin idea?

Hey genius get it through your head, Not everyone want to know what you do in the bedroom. Do you know why we do stuff like this in private? Because its no one business. Think about that.

Ever see Mardi Gras parades? Gay people would need to have a lot more than "incidents" to beat straight people at public sex.
Only Mardi Gras parades I've ever seen were with my dad when I was around 6, and it was family-oriented.

THANK YOU! You finally freakin get it! Oh my god, acting like a normal person in society will get you accepted it! What a freakin idea?

Hey genius get it through your head, Not everyone want to know what you do in the bedroom. Do you know why we do stuff like this in private? Because its no one business. Think about that.
By this, are you inferring that we should not do things that straight couples do in public, i.e. kiss, hug, and such?

Well, you are quite certainly broadly stereotyping there. What gives you the assumption that we do those things? I don't shove anything into anybody's face. Neither do any of my friends, that I know of. The problem is a small but vocal minority inside the minority that's not taking the best route to acceptance.

If anything, I bet we'd like less media attention, because all they're doing is convincing the public that we're evil. At least, my local news stations...

Hey I don't want to hear about it either.

THANK YOU! You finally freakin get it! Oh my god, acting like a normal person in society will get you accepted it! What a freakin idea?

If normal = straight, then you're deluding yourself. Straights do straight things all the time.

Hey genius get it through your head, Not everyone want to know what you do in the bedroom. Do you know why we do stuff like this in private? Because its no one business. Think about that.

But straights don't do it in private. They kiss, they hold hands, they go to bars and pick each other up, they buy sexual parafernalia, they dress how ever they please. Why can't gay people do that without people like you dishing out your double standards.

THANK YOU! You finally freakin get it! Oh my god, acting like a normal person in society will get you accepted it! What a freakin idea?

Hey genius get it through your head, Not everyone want to know what you do in the bedroom. Do you know why we do stuff like this in private? Because its no one business. Think about that.

Look, it's obvious rational argument isn't going to work with an idiot like you, so why don't you just shut the fuck up. Gay people have a RIGHT to act the way they chose, and so does everyone else, INCLUDING YOU! And while a certain part of me would like to try and make laws against being stupid on the internet, you are allowed to act like an ignorant asshole if you so choose. But stop SHOVING your IGNORANCE down other people's THROATS!

Only Mardi Gras parades I've ever seen were with my dad when I was around 6, and it was family-oriented.

Haven't seen any of those "girls gone wild" type parades where sexual exploits net you beads to wear around your neck? Yeah, straight people are such freaks.

Haven't seen any of those "girls gone wild" type parades where sexual exploits net you beads to wear around your neck? Yeah, straight people are such freaks.
Hrm, I have to admit I have not...
How interesting. Yet totally alien...

Hrm, I have to admit I have not...
How interesting. Yet totally alien...

Try "girls gone wild" in any search engine. You'll be shocked to see what straight people do in public even though they claim not to.

Look, it's obvious rational argument isn't going to work with an idiot like you, so why don't you just shut the fuck up. Gay people have a RIGHT to act the way they chose, and so does everyone else, INCLUDING YOU! And while a certain part of me would like to try and make laws against being stupid on the internet, you are allowed to act like an ignorant asshole if you so choose. But stop SHOVING your IGNORANCE down other people's THROATS!

Well good luck being accepted then.

Let me clear up for you that I myself am not gay, but I will defend a gay person from your ignorance and the ignorance of those like you any day.

You know you called me ingorant. And yet, you want the gays to have special days, special rights, and all that fun stuff. You offer them pie in the sky dream and you accept the rest of society to accept them just because they're "gay". You give no consideration that "gay" isn't the only thing that person is. I don't want to know the "gay" person. I want to know the person. And whetherever you realize it or not. I am actually trying to help you guys get accepted. Look I was born with disabilities, and I know what its like to not be accepted. Trust me, the only way you'll get accepted in the American society is through conformity. Its sad, but you gotta do it.

You know you called me ingorant. And yet, you want the gays to have special days, special rights, and all that fun stuff.
:confused:
Where'd s/he say that?

You know you called me ingorant. And yet, you want the gays to have special days, special rights, and all that fun stuff. You offer them pie in the sky dream and you accept the rest of society to accept them just because they're "gay". You give no consideration that "gay" isn't the only thing that person is. I don't want to know the "gay" person. I want to know the person. And whetherever you realize it or not. I am actually trying to help you guys get accepted. Look I was born with disabilities, and I know what its like to not be accepted. Trust me, the only way you'll get accepted in the American society is through conformity. Its sad, but you gotta do it.

BS. Conformity is surrender and that will just not happen. Everything straights can do, gays should be able to do too. Including flaunting their sexuality as much as straight people do - and straight people do it so much they don't even notice it anymore.

Conformity. Bollocks to that!

BS. Conformity is surrender and that will just not happen. Everything straights can do, gays should be able to do too. Including flaunting their sexuality as much as straight people do - and straight people do it so much they don't even notice it anymore.

Conformity. Bollocks to that!

Whatever.

Maybe a small lesson is history is in order:

Example 1) Roman Culture

The Roman culture, predating Christianity by a number of years, kept sex taboo. However, there was no limitation on relationship by gender, provided it was kept in quiet. In fact, many of the Greco-Roman dieties had relationships between both genders. This is despite the fact that all the Greco-Roman dieties (save a small number) were likewise assigned male or female genders.

Example 2) Religious Conservatism Puts Women to Death

In Salem, MA, the "normal" view for a woman's behavior was that of a simple house-wife. All other behaviors were "abnormal" and such led those women to be declared "witches" and "sinners against God." Many innocents were butchered because close-minded persons in power could not realize that "normal" is just a word attributed to what THEY feel is the standard, whether it is or not. Due keep in mind that in other parts of the world, some women were actually considered superior to their male counterparts.

Example 3) Facism in Europe

National German Workers Party (National Socialists or NAZIs) come to power. With the exact reasons uncertain, Adolf Hitler sets in motion the eventual course that will lead to the extermination of over ten million of Europe's population. These innocent people do nothing to deserve their fate, aside from being different from what a small few in power believe the standard should be.

You know you called me ingorant. And yet, you want the gays to have special days, special rights, and all that fun stuff. You offer them pie in the sky dream and you accept the rest of society to accept them just because they're "gay". You give no consideration that "gay" isn't the only thing that person is. I don't want to know the "gay" person. I want to know the person. And whetherever you realize it or not. I am actually trying to help you guys get accepted. Look I was born with disabilities, and I know what its like to not be accepted. Trust me, the only way you'll get accepted in the American society is through conformity. Its sad, but you gotta do it.

I'm genuinely sorry you feel that you were forced to conform in some way. Really, I am. But you of all people should know that being forced to conform neither changes a person, nor makes them more receptive to the changes they have been forced to make. Unless you can show a person that his/her views or actions are wrong you have no right to make them change. I have yet to encounter a convincing argument that shows the irrationality or, more importantly, immorality of homosexuality.

You know you called me ingorant. And yet, you want the gays to have special days, special rights, and all that fun stuff. You offer them pie in the sky dream and you accept the rest of society to accept them just because they're "gay". You give no consideration that "gay" isn't the only thing that person is. I don't want to know the "gay" person. I want to know the person. And whetherever you realize it or not. I am actually trying to help you guys get accepted. Look I was born with disabilities, and I know what its like to not be accepted. Trust me, the only way you'll get accepted in the American society is through conformity. Its sad, but you gotta do it.
1 Name one special right gays have. And note, gays are not protected under hate crime laws in america.

2 Jews have Chanukah, Black people have Kwanzaa, christians have Christmas, why don't gays get a day to celebrate themselves?

3 I was never saying that a person should be considered for being gay before all else, just that they shouldn't be condemned for it.


Where'd s/he say that?
Look, it's obvious rational argument isn't going to work with an idiot like you, so why don't you just shut the fuck up. Gay people have a RIGHT to act the way they chose, and so does everyone else, INCLUDING YOU! And while a certain part of me would like to try and make laws against being stupid on the internet, you are allowed to act like an ignorant asshole if you so choose. But stop SHOVING your IGNORANCE down other people's THROATS!
And now that we're being civil to each other again, let me apologise for that outburst.

Whatever.

No arguments left, eh? Not even your fallacious "but we don't do it in public, even though we do" crap?

I'm genuinely sorry you feel that you were forced to conform in some way. Really, I am. But you of all people should know that being forced to conform neither changes a person, nor makes them more receptive to the changes they have been forced to make. Unless you can show a person that his/her views or actions are wrong you have no right to make them change. I have yet to encounter a convincing argument that shows the irrationality or, more importantly, immorality of homosexuality.

ok first off, I chose to conform. Why because I got tired of being consider a "freak". and 2. I found that conformity is better in alot of situation. There are time to be diffrent and there are time to conform. I am diffrent in that I am a pilot. I am the only one in my family. And that makes me diffrent. I don't show off my handicapps and I don't have any plan to. Because to me its no one business except my own. It doesn't change a person, but it does make the person more acceptable to society and it makes his or her life easier. And let me clairfy my stance here. I'm not anti-gay. In fact I don't care if you are gay. You can be gay, lesbian or beastiality I don't care. I don't give a rats ass. What I am stating is that sometimes to get what you want. You got to play by the rules. Its a crazy game, but sometimes the end justify the means.

No arguments left, eh? Not even your fallacious "but we don't do it in public, even though we do" crap?

Me personally, I don't like Public Display of affection. I don't do them myself. I may do it in my home but thats it. I can't speak for other people though.

Me personally, I don't like Public Display of affection. I don't do them myself. I may do it in my home but thats it. I can't speak for other people though.

So why aren't you out there chiding all those heterosexual couples who have to let the whole world know they're heterosexual? Or go out on the town and chide all those skimpily clad heterosexuals who cruise bars for mates?

Why the double standard?

I am diffrent in that I am a pilot.

Heh, me too, got my Private about a year ago. What d'you fly? I'm on Cessna 152s.

And, as far as "playing by the rules" is concerned, can't you try to change the rules if they're bad?

Heh, me too, got my Private about a year ago. What d'you fly? I'm on Cessna 152s.

And, as far as "playing by the rules" is concerned, can't you try to change the rules if they're bad?

CESSNA SUCKS! lol j/k :p

I am a Piper man myself. I fly the Piper Cherokee 140 and 180. Love 'em.

As for the rules. I dunno man. Yes some rules are bad. But do you realize how long it would take to change the rules of society?

Not if it goes against their morals. They don't want their children "confused" by "wrong" ideals. It's quite simple actually...not all that hard to understand. Parents want their children to take on their ideals, not the ideals of a corporation such as Disney.
Disney being the large evil corparation that it is. :headbang: Someone has to be a little wacked and a lot extreme to see mainstream disney as something immoral.

It may take a while to change the rules, but if the stakes are high enough, it's worth it. Just ask Nelson Mandela.

Personally I think the gays need to stop shoving their sexuality in my face.


Personally I think Christians should stop shoving their Christianity in my face.
Personally I think Muslims should stop shoving their Muslimity(whatever) in my face.
Personally I think children should stop shoving their childishness in my face.
Personally I think women should stop shoving their womenlyness in my face.
Personally I think black people should stop shoving their blackness in my face.
Personally I think indians should stop shoving their indianity in my face.
Personally I think people who eat chocolate icecream should stop shoving their chocolate icecream-eating in my face.
Personally I think old people should stop shoving their oldness in my face.

I hope I need not go on?

Personally I think Christians should stop shoving their Christianity in my face.
Personally I think Muslims should stop shoving their Muslimity(whatever) in my face.
Personally I think children should stop shoving their childishness in my face.
Personally I think women should stop shoving their womenlyness in my face.
Personally I think black people should stop shoving their blackness in my face.
Personally I think indians should stop shoving their indianity in my face.
Personally I think people who eat chocolate icecream should stop shoving their chocolate icecream-eating in my face.
Personally I think old people should stop shoving their oldness in my face.

I hope I need not go on?

^^^ For Great Justice!

*hands out guns to everyone*

^^^ For Great Justice!

*hands out guns to everyone*

Stop shoving your Justice in my face! How dare you be different from me?! :mad:

Stop shoving your Justice in my face! How dare you be different from me?! :mad:

*puts on Hakartopia mask*

*hands out more guns*

*puts on Hakartopia mask*

*hands out more guns*

That's not good enough. You'll have to get plastic surgery to look like him, just like the rest of us have.

That's not good enough. You'll have to get plastic surgery to look like him, just like the rest of us have.

*chloroforms, hypnotises*

1 Name one special right gays have. And note, gays are not protected under hate crime laws in america.

2 Jews have Chanukah, Black people have Kwanzaa, christians have Christmas, why don't gays get a day to celebrate themselves?

3 I was never saying that a person should be considered for being gay before all else, just that they shouldn't be condemned for it.


1 Gays do not have special rights, nor should they. Or any other group whether they are the minority or the majority. And no, gays are not protected under the federal hate crime laws but gender and disability are not mentioned either. So can you take this law to mean that no one is protected or we can beat up people with disabilities just because they are not directly ementioned in the law?

2 I don't think they wanted to abolish the gay pride parades just the public sex and what not. That should be out lawed in all parades and probably is in most sates.

3 I concur.

Let me clear up for you that I myself am not gay, but I will defend a gay person from your ignorance and the ignorance of those like you any day.

Ah ok, I get it now. Anyone who doesnt agree with you is ignorant. That makes sense.
Do you think that Dr. Pepper is the greatest drink in all of human history?
Because I do.......so if you dont, that means you're ignorant.

DONT BE IGNORANT! EVERYONE DRINK DR. PEPPER!

I dont believe people choose to be gay.
Who would choose to be a social outcast?
However, having said that, just because they dont choose to be like that doesnt mean we should let them be equal in our society.
Hasnt anyone heard of something called The Law of Nature?
Gays (gay couples) dont reproduce. Hence they are not "normal." They same thing as mules. They are infertile. There are a genetic defect, if you will. Its a crime against nature. Nature doesn like gays, take a hint.

Actually, they aren't infertile. Maybe some research would help your cause?

I'll try to contain my anger on this post....
Perhaps you are the one who needs to do the research. I learned about the mule's infertility way back when I was in high school (Grade 10 Biology I believe).
Its a well-known, and well-documented fact that mules are sterile! It's because they have an odd number of chromosomes.
Donkeys have 62, and horses have 64. Even though they arent the same species, they are still able to produce offspring.....but their offspring is defective.

If you dont believe me, perhaps you can check an encyclopedia.
Oh look! I'm even given you links to two different encyclopedia entries!
Arent I nice?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mule
http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/m1/mule1.asp


Now lets all laugh at the dumbass who thinks mules can have offspring.
Go back to high school.
"they aren't infertile" my ass....

I'll try to contain my anger on this post....
Perhaps you are the one who needs to do the research. I learned about the mule's infertility way back when I was in high school (Grade 10 Biology I believe).
Its a well-known, and well-documented fact that mules are sterile! It's because they have an odd number of chromosomes.
Donkeys have 62, and horses have 64. Even though they arent the same species, they are still able to produce offspring.....but their offspring is defective.

If you dont believe me, perhaps you can check an encyclopedia.
Oh look! I'm even given you links to two different encyclopedia entries!
Arent I nice?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mule
http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/m1/mule1.asp


Now lets all laugh at the dumbass who thinks mules can have offspring.
Go back to high school.
"they aren't infertile" my ass....
Shaed said gays aren't infertile. Learn to read English. gg dumbass

Gay people are the same as you, Hitler Jugend.

Same biological capabilities. Same general DNA structure.

The only difference between you and them is a few differently tuned areas of the brain (if homosexuality is genetic) or a choice of lifestyle.

And you have no right to oppress them, for you could very well have made their choices in slightly different circumstances.

Gay people are the same as you, Hitler Jugend.

Same biological capabilities. Same general DNA structure.

The only difference between you and them is a few differently tuned areas of the brain (if homosexuality is genetic) or a choice of lifestyle.

And you have no right to oppress them, for you could very well have made their choices in slightly different circumstances.

Gay people are not the same as me.....I am not gay.
And yes, they do have "a few differently tuned areas of the brain," for homosexuality is not a choice.

Shaed said gays aren't infertile. Learn to read English. gg dumbass

Shaed didnt specify that he was referring to gays.
Besides, why would he argue that gays arent infertile?
Its like arguing that water is wet.
If he truly was referring to gays, he should save his time trying to argue common sense issues.

I am not the same as you.

No human being on this planet is the same as you. Or me. Or anyone else who posted on this thread etc.

If Homosexuality was an inherently bad trait, it would have self-removed itself from the gene pool. It hasn't.

In a world where people can and do choose to pursue heterosexual, childless lives, homosexuality is a perfectly acceptable way of life.

Just because it makes you queasy, or because you believe it is wrong / worth oppressing we shouldn't and mustn't treat people the way you feel is right.

Liberty and justice for all, remember?
UK Human Rights Bill?
European Court of Human Rights?

Any of these ring any bells? If not they should.

I am not the same as you.

No human being on this planet is the same as you. Or me. Or anyone else who posted on this thread etc..

heh yeah, you're unique, just like everybody else ;)

Its a crime against nature. Nature doesn like gays, take a hint.

guess what the overwhelming majority of individual lifeforms DON'T do! that's right, reproduce! I suppose honeybees are commiting a crime against nature too, because less than 1/100 of that hugely sucessful species reproduces. take a biology course while I take nature's hint and run with it.

Ok, Hitler Youth, ((Translation of his name)) why don't you try and actually get along. From what you have said, their should be NO interaction between any contries at all, that all the different religions should have their own sections, that people with blond hair should live in one section of the city and black haired people in another. Gays, bot male and Female, AND Bi-Sexuals, which for some reason people forget in this stuff, should not be cut off from the rest of the world because they are different. Now, the Reason I mentioned Bi-Sexuals is because most people seem to belive they are Gay. At least they do here, my sister had four years of Cronic Depression and then attempted Suicide. She is a Bi-Sexual, but no one at her school, not even the teachers, belived this was possible, she was gay to them, and all openly ridaculed them. Now, what you are saying is that Gays should be treated like this, That we should be ridaculed because people do not know anything about us. You are saying, HITLER YOUTH! That all gays should be treated as my sister, with Contempt for a minoraty. What is wrong with contact between Homosexuals and Hetroesexuals? Why should we be two seperate, when a gay is born into a hetro sexual family they should be taken to a place where Gay children can be raised by Gay pearents? THERES AN IDEA! When a "Normal" Copule have a child, and they then discover they are gay, the pearents can send the child out onto thew streets, the school can kick them out, and they can be left to fend for themselves at the hardest time of their life, Puberty. How is this humanitarian? No Gays would ever stand a chance because they could never learn, never get jobs, never do ANYTHING cause none of them would be taught what is nessersary to make their own buissness, and even if they did, no one would trade with them because gays would be to poor and Hetros would not be allowed to interact with them, lets turn the Gays lives into LIVING HELL! Great Idea HITLER YOUTH!

guess what the overwhelming majority of individual lifeforms DON'T do! that's right, reproduce! I suppose honeybees are commiting a crime against nature too, because less than 1/100 of that hugely sucessful species reproduces. take a biology course while I take nature's hint and run with it.

Not to mention wolves...

If you want people to accept you as normal people. How about BEING NORMAL! Stop being a flaming homo. Now I'm not saying you have to be straight. You can be gay I don't care about that aspect. Just don't shove it in my face, I don't want to know or care to know. The fact that you people shove it in America's face with the meda is what getting everyone upset.

Take a lesson from the blacks. You don't see Colin Powell, Condo Rice, and other blacks political leaders going to press confrence in gangsta style clothes and saying "Yo Yo Yo, I want to talk to my peeps!"

Get a freakin clue, We don't want to know what you do in the bedroom. So Shut up about it.

Except that heterosexuality is pushed in the face of everyone, everyday, everywhere. TV, Films, even basic advertisement constantly push heterosexuality. Straight couples holding hands, kissing, hugging, or having any intimate contact on the street without being stared at, commented on, or interrupted (physically or verbally) is also a form of "pushing" heterosexuality. If you want your argument about keeping it to the bedroom to stick you need to apply it to everyone, including yourself - either everyone keeps ALL of their bedroom activities completely out of the public realm or this ignorant catchphrase needs to die (I'll vote for the second, personally, as its basically a repackaged form of "I'm going to continue being an ignorant ass and its up to you to keep me happy").

As for "the blacks" gangster clothing, music, and language has nothing to do with the African American people. It is a cultural sect that represents part of the community while other parts actively oppose it. This is the same a neo-nazi militas - I'm white, I recognize that parts of the white american culture feel that white society must be "defend", but I would NEVER want to be generally associated with the sub group while, at the same time, there are people who would expressly WANT to be associated with them. As for Colin Powell, the man gets death threats as does Rice - in fact the former won't consider running for president because he does not feel his family can be adaquetely protected from racist nut jobs.

Shaed didnt specify that he was referring to gays.
Besides, why would he argue that gays arent infertile?
Its like arguing that water is wet.
If he truly was referring to gays, he should save his time trying to argue common sense issues.

Gay people aren't infertile, "infertile" (which incidentally generally refers only to women - men are "sterile") means that the body is incapable of the bodily functions required to reproduce. Lesbians, as individuals, may or may not be infertile (at the same rate as heterosexuals) - they simply do not engage in sexual acts that would result in fertilization (otherwise known as "non-reproductive sex acts"). Non-reproductive sex acts and infertility are entirely different; one is an action and choice, the other is biological and not a choice.

When I read between the lines, I see "I'm a flaming bush hater!!!"

The patriot act is designed to protect you. it wont infringe on your freedoms unless you've done something wrong. youre not gonna get arrested if youre living out your normal life. however, if you start sending out anthrax, you will get arrested.

anyways, i just had to clear that leftist bs outta yer head.

beck to disney and stuff.
Tell me, do you think this is lefty BS?

"We've witnessed a fire sale of American liberties at bargain basement prices, in return for the false promise of more security... The America being designed right now won't resemble the America we've been defending... The danger isn't that Big Brother may storm the castle gates. The danger is that Americans don't realize that he is already inside the castle walls."

Think about it, children are very influential. Hell, they're personality is formed by the age of 3 (or maybe it was 5). Our children are already being spoonfed Liberal garbage by the media.
For instance, lets say there's a cartoon show with a bunch of turtles playing together. Then a squirrel comes along and wants to play too, but some of the turtles dont want him there. Then one of the turtles says "Look guys, just cause he's different than us, doesnt mean he cant be our friend."
See what I mean? The children are being to to treat everyone as equals.....something any intelligent person knows it simply nor true. The lefties are doing a good job brainwashing our children, but it wont last forever. Someday, children's television shows will teach them the important things in life like it used to.....like being proud of who they are, and that working hard is the only way to reach success.

BOTTOM LINE
The media has a HUGE impact on our children, and promoting homosexuality or "gender-confusion" isnt going to help them in life.

This is a tempest in a teapot. A young child is taught not to use drugs. Then they become teenagers and do what they want. When I was 9 I was very religious. At 11, I was told I was possessed. Kids grow up and develop their own thinking.

At some point most rational people learn to take the human race one person at a time. Group think is for idiots.

It shouldnt be promoted because its not normal. It shouldnt be promoted as something good, nor should someone with a cancer be shown in a good light.
We should promote the healthy and strong (of mind and body), not the weak and sick.
Using your logic here for a minute. Since white people are a minority on the planet they are not the norm. So we can draw the conclusion that nature favors say, Asians and disfavors whites who are not good since they are a minority.

On another note. Are you suggesting that someone with "a cancer" cannot be good? If nature is doing the judging then whites could be that cancer since they are not the norm.

Using your logic here for a minute. Since white people are a minority on the planet they are not the norm. So we can draw the conclusion that nature favors say, Asians and disfavors whites.
Hee.
Go SHL! It's great that you picked that, since he's always arguing that whites are superior.

Here is my opinion.

I believe that all this crap about how the gays are suffering is Bullshit. Yea they get a Gay Day, they are major players on the TV scene, and they get a parade where they can fuck one another in public in the eyes of millions. Boo hoo cry me a river. Now if the gays were going through the same stuff the blacks went through in the 50's THEN they would have a case. Also blacks need to shut up today. Today the KKK is a freaking joke, so is the Aryan Nation. They have chances and choices to succeed in life presented to them. All they need to do is take that chance. I see very little racial opression, and no the white man is NOT holding them down. They need to stop blaming stuff on the white man and look within themselves.

Now back to the gays. Personally I think the gays need to stop shoving their sexuality in my face. I don't go around screwing my girlfriend and saying "LOOK AT ME, I'M STRAIGHT!" They shouldn't either. Its just common sense and decency.

You say being denied basic civil rights is not a harm that causes unnecessary suffering? How quickly would you sacrifice your rights?

If some gay people did have public sex during some public event does that necessarily reflect on all gay people? A hetero couple was arrested while having sex in Saint Patrick's Cathederal in NYC while on the phone with a radio show who cheered them on. Does that mean all heteros approve of this and are lining up on Fifth Avenue to await their turn?

When I see a hetero couple playing grabass at the beach or in a bar or in a park are they putting their sexuality in everyone's face? Not all gays are shoving anything in your face. It seems to be you are looking to find offense because your non-black, purportively hetero prejudices see what they want, when they want.

By assuming you are all that perceptive you have only magnified your ignorance. You know nothing of the walk another person has to walk until you walk it yourself.

Wasn't this about Disney promoting homosexuality and it has turned in to the homosexuals attacks the straight people and the straight people attacking the homosexuals.

Wasn't this about Disney promoting homosexuality and it has turned in to the homosexuals attacks the straight people and the straight people attacking the homosexuals.
Welcome to the Internet.

When I read between the lines, I see "I'm a flaming bush hater!!!"

The patriot act is designed to protect you. it wont infringe on your freedoms unless you've done something wrong. youre not gonna get arrested if youre living out your normal life. however, if you start sending out anthrax, you will get arrested.

anyways, i just had to clear that leftist bs outta yer head.

beck to disney and stuff.
In theory that's how it works. The problem is that if there was ever a corrupt leader of this country (>cough that sounds suspiciously like "bush"<) they could point at anyone they don't like, SAY they've done something wrong, arrest them and never have to explain it any further than that.

in the moves "the fox and the hound" (disney right?:P) there was a gay refrence of the fox sleeping with a male porcqupice (sonds pain ful)

Ok, I'm sure you all heard of how that right-wing group got all ticked about how Spongebob was in that video that preached tolerance towards gays, rite?

Well I think I've found their next target: out of total boredom, I was watching that show, Lilo and Stitch: The Series, on Disney Channel . . . apparently one of the aliens is a male "gender-confused" alien that likes to dress and act like a woman.

While it doesn't bother me personally, don't you think it's gettin kinda absurd at how people are lashing out at childrens' programming?
what i find absurd is that the people claiming to be champions of "family values" are the ones seeing sexual messages in children's cartoons. do you really want you kids learning their values from people who are fixated on the sexual orientation of cartoon sponges?

what i find absurd is that the people claiming to be champions of "family values" are the ones seeing sexual messages in children's cartoons. do you really want you kids learning their values from people who are fixated on the sexual orientation of cartoon sponges?

If the cartoon sponge didn't promote homosexuality then we wouldn't have a problem would we? He definately shouldn't bash gay people, that just isn't nice but he shouldn't be promoting them either.

Gravedigging is extremely stupid

Gravedigging is extremely stupid
Oh yeah?
WELL SO AM I!!!

Ha. That'll teach you.