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OK, I'm an American but sometimes I have to shake my head and wonder about my countrymen.

Take the recent Auschwitz liberation anniversary memorial that just took place.

The heads of all the liberating countries of WWII attended the memorial ceramonies......Except one. Yup, Bush sent Cheney instead of attending himself.

OK, maybe he had something bigger on his schedule or couldn't arraign the proper security or whatever, but Dicks actions at the solemn event only made things worse.

Our VP showed up to the formal event wearing an olive drab hooded parka and heavy boots. Sure it was snowing, but everyone else was in formal overcoats and looked....well, presidential. Our guy looked like a bumpkin sitting next to them. I know he's got to own more appropriate attire, did he just not care?

Anyone else have any thoughts?

It's okay, I'm not sure if Blair turned up either - I think we were sending Jack Straw if I recall correctly.

It doesn't look like a problem to me. So Europeans would rather attend a ceremony than try and get something done (however wrong) in the world.

He does have a pretty bad heart (believe it or not, he has one). Standing around in the cold ain't exactly the thing to do if you have a bad ticker and are worried about illness.

OK, I'm an American but sometimes I have to shake my head and wonder about my countrymen.

Take the recent Auschwitz liberation anniversary memorial that just took place.

The heads of all the liberating countries of WWII attended the memorial ceramonies......Except one. Yup, Bush sent Cheney instead of attending himself.

OK, maybe he had something bigger on his schedule or couldn't arraign the proper security or whatever, but Dicks actions at the solemn event only made things worse.

Our VP showed up to the formal event wearing an olive drab hooded parka and heavy boots. Sure it was snowing, but everyone else was in formal overcoats and looked....well, presidential. Our guy looked like a bumpkin sitting next to them. I know he's got to own more appropriate attire, did he just not care?

Anyone else have any thoughts?

If Bush can't pronounce it, he sure as hell ain't going there.

It doesn't look like a problem to me. So Europeans would rather attend a ceremony than try and get something done (however wrong) in the world.


Its a death camp jackass, probably a good place + time to remember the holocost. For once our PM Paul martin did something right...

My question is, why is the news making such a big deal out of it? It was a coat! So, he wore a dark green coat. Who cares?

Sometimes I wonder what is wrong with people.

If Bush can't pronounce it, he sure as hell ain't going there.
How'd you explain Iraq then?

God himself could come down from Heaven and bless Bush and Cheney, and the press would insist that God was the Antichrist.

Let's face it, no matter what they do, the members of the media who hate them will be sure to cast anything they say or do as evil and bad.

Why should we care what Cheney dressed like? It was just a fashion statement saying "we aren't like out faggy European cousins, we do what we like."

Why should we care about what clothes our VP wore on a snowy day? It shows that we have some fashion critics who watch politics.

He does have a pretty bad heart (believe it or not, he has one). Standing around in the cold ain't exactly the thing to do if you have a bad ticker and are worried about illness.The dark overcoat and fur hat of the Israeli Prime minister he sat next to looked warm enough.

And certainly more approriate than the parka and knit hat with the "staff 2001" logo that Cheney wore.

Reporters noted that his attire looked more appropiate for someone operating the snowblowers than one of the world leaders.

If Bush can't pronounce it, he sure as hell ain't going there.

ROFLMAO!!! :D

The dark overcoat and fur hat of the Israeli Prime minister he sat next to looked warm enough.

And certainly more approriate than the parka and knit hat with the "staff 2001" logo that Cheney wore.

Reporters noted that his attire looked more appropiate for someone operating the snowblowers than one of the world leaders.
Reporters try to make a story out of nothing when news gets slow.

If Bush can't pronounce it, he sure as hell ain't going there.
LOL....that may actually be a passable excuse. J/K

Reporters try to make a story out of nothing when news gets slow.Yeah I'm sure that's it. :rolleyes:

The fact that he stuck out like sore thumb had nothing to do with it.
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20050127/capt.aus11701271515.poland_auschwitz_anniversary_aus117.jpg
And Americans wonder why the rest of the world has such a low opinion of us.

It's a rare thing these days when America manages NOT to look like an ass. Not that you'll ever hear about it on FoxNews.

Who cares about the Holohoax?
It was 60 years ago!
Tell the Jews to stop crying and get over it

Who cares about the Holohoax?
It was 60 years ago!
Tell the Jews to stop crying and get over it

Nazi Swine are the ones to talk about crying and getting over it. :rolleyes:

Who cares about the Holohoax?
It was 60 years ago!
Tell the Jews to stop crying and get over itI'm sorry, this thread is reserved for those with at least one foot firmly planted in reality,

You'll have to leave.

Nazi Swine are the ones to talk about crying and getting over it.

Getting over what?

Yeah I'm sure that's it. :rolleyes:

The fact that he stuck out like sore thumb had nothing to do with it.

And Americans wonder why the rest of the world has such a low opinion of us.
So he stuck out. Who cares? So he didn't wear the traditional black. Is that really that big of a deal. Go to a funeral some time and see if everyone is wearing black. I would bet at least 2 or 3 will not.

I don't see how this makes America look like an ass. All he did was wear a different color and it is not like he did it on purpose. No, I think you are making America look like more of an ass. Well, that and the Nazis that are posting on my side of the arguement. In fact scratch the whole thing. If these are the people on my side I switch.

Getting over what?

Losing. Game over, man.

Why should we care what Cheney dressed like? It was just a fashion statement saying "we aren't like out faggy European cousins, we do what we like."

Why should we care about what clothes our VP wore on a snowy day? It shows that we have some fashion critics who watch politics.
thats the problem u idiot is that we dont care a bout the rewst of the world

Losing. Game over, man.

Losing what? The war? That has nothing to do with the Holohoax

The dark overcoat and fur hat of the Israeli Prime minister he sat next to looked warm enough.

And certainly more approriate than the parka and knit hat with the "staff 2001" logo that Cheney wore.

Reporters noted that his attire looked more appropiate for someone operating the snowblowers than one of the world leaders.

Maybe he was ill and needed to be extra warm and comfy.

If the only thing you have to say about someone is their fashion sense, then you really are a shallow person who has nothing better to say. Who cares what the reporters think. I'd show up in short shorts and a tank top. It's like going to church, you don't have to wear your absolute finest, just being there should count.

Our VP showed up to the formal event wearing an olive drab hooded parka and heavy boots. Sure it was snowing, but everyone else was in formal overcoats and looked....well, presidential. Our guy looked like a bumpkin sitting next to them. I know he's got to own more appropriate attire, did he just not care?

Anyone else have any thoughts?
Sounds cute. :)

Losing what? The war? That has nothing to do with the Holohoax

I mean losing every relevant debate on the topic of Holocaust denial.

thats the problem u idiot is that we dont care a bout the rewst of the world

If the rest of the world hates us for the clothing our VP wears, I say please hate us more. If the only thing going for those Europeans are their sense of fashion, I'll laugh and continue to poke fun at those inbred Europeans.

Sounds cute. :)Sure, if you're snowboarding.


Hey, is that a lift ticket hanging on his parka?

OK, I'm an American but sometimes I have to shake my head and wonder about my countrymen.

Take the recent Auschwitz liberation anniversary memorial that just took place.

The heads of all the liberating countries of WWII attended the memorial ceramonies......Except one. Yup, Bush sent Cheney instead of attending himself.

OK, maybe he had something bigger on his schedule or couldn't arraign the proper security or whatever, but Dicks actions at the solemn event only made things worse.

Our VP showed up to the formal event wearing an olive drab hooded parka and heavy boots. Sure it was snowing, but everyone else was in formal overcoats and looked....well, presidential. Our guy looked like a bumpkin sitting next to them. I know he's got to own more appropriate attire, did he just not care?

Anyone else have any thoughts?

Ever hear about making mountains out of mole hills? That's what this post is. :(

If the rest of the world hates us for the clothing our VP wears, I say please hate us more. If the only thing going for those Europeans are their sense of fashion, I'll laugh and continue to poke fun at those inbred Europeans.

No news source even mentioned the whole thing. It probably surfaced in some UK rag or "infotainment" program (thanks for that phenomenon, btw).
If the rest of the world hates your country, the reasons are more complex than fashion sense.

Also, inbreeding isn't unheard of in the GOP heartland, either.

No news source even mentioned the whole thing. It probably surfaced in some UK rag or "infotainment" program (thanks for that phenomenon, btw).
If the rest of the world hates your country, the reasons are more complex than fashion sense.

Also, inbreeding isn't unheard of in the GOP heartland, either.
Just to clear things up, inbreeding is not heard of in the "heartland." That is common in the South.

Ever hear about making mountains out of mole hills? That's what this post is. :(Y'know I expected better out of someone as mature as you E.

I would have thought you could appreciate the formality dictated by appearing as a head of state.

But instead you choose to take the partisan approach.

This forum has threads on masturbation and you ridicule my little thought for the day.

Nice.

No news source even mentioned the whole thing. It probably surfaced in some UK rag or "infotainment" program (thanks for that phenomenon, btw).
If the rest of the world hates your country, the reasons are more complex than fashion sense.

Also, inbreeding isn't unheard of in the GOP heartland, either.Uh, that photo I posted was attached to an AP story on his attire.

Ok i am getting really pissed about these topics about how America is this and America is that or Bush did this and Bush Did Not Do That.
Come on people!America has done more in your entire lifetime!We kick ass!I know people like bush and dont like bush,so what!Hes our president!Still we have got to support the president of The United States.And yes, Bush did not go to the Holocost Cermony.Many world leaders dident ethier.So why tackle Bush?

And America has won every war in its history as a country!The rest of the world can kiss our ass!Our big ass!Get in the crack come on!The US can win this war even without UK or Russia or France or Canada or what ever country that is against us.

Perhaps we should remember who liberated the victims of the Holocaust. And we should remember those who committed it, or participated in helping those who committed it.

Let's see. The Germans committed it. The French helped them round up victims in France - gladly and willingly. Other nations, such as Denmark, bravely resisted. The French didn't have ANY resistance until the UK set one up for them. The Italians also gladly sent their Jews to the camps.

The UK and the US and the Russians liberated the death camps.

If you weren't resisting the Germans on your own from day one, or if you weren't part of the armies that liberated the camps, then perhaps your leaders, for the rest of eternity, should be required to form another line at any Holocaust remembrance, and should be required to perform some form of humiliating penance for the sins of your nation and people.

Until then, stop talking about who sent what level of person, and what they were wearing. Obviously, you forget that the whole thing is about a horrific crime, and have the mistaken impression that it's a fashion show.

No news source even mentioned the whole thing. It probably surfaced in some UK rag or "infotainment" program (thanks for that phenomenon, btw).
If the rest of the world hates your country, the reasons are more complex than fashion sense.

Also, inbreeding isn't unheard of in the GOP heartland, either.

Just gives me another reason to dislike Europe.

Also, much like ass-rape in prison, inbreeding is blown out of proportion. What about all of the royal families and their lines? Seems to me less inbreeding in the US would take place as we are sort of a melting pot.

Losing. Game over, man.

I don't think he is german.

Probably just a snot nosed american kid who wants to be a neo-nazi.

omg, who cares wut dick cheney did, or wore, its like his name says, hes a dick so y would we care bout him...

Who cares what he wore? This is the dumbest thread of all time. I'm anti-Bush and even more anti-Cheney, but seriously guys, this is grasping for something to rag them about. At least he wore pants.

What's the problem you have with it? Is it that he wasn't dressed in fancy black clothes and a stupid fur hat like the rest of them? Would his attire have been more acceptable if the parka was black? Or is it because he is who he is and people will use any bullshit excuse to attack him, even if it is over something as small as... a coat. Yeah. That's the one.

Fucking fashion fascists. Get over it. The coat was green.

Ok i am getting really pissed about these topics about how America is this and America is that or Bush did this and Bush Did Not Do That.
Come on people!America has done more in your entire lifetime!

more than what exactly? nigeria? Khazakstan? Lichtenstein? probably yea, well done


We kick ass!

no, no you dont


I know people like bush and dont like bush,so what!Hes our president!Still we have got to support the president of The United States.

so you would support him blindly, no matter what he did? thats a very stupid way to look at it


And yes, Bush did not go to the Holocost Cermony.Many world leaders dident ethier.So why tackle Bush?

because he was the only leader of a liberating allied country that didnt attend.


And America has won every war in its history as a country!
what about the one where Washington got burned? i wouldnt call that a victory....


The rest of the world can kiss our ass!Our big ass!Get in the crack come on!The US can win this war even without UK or Russia or France or Canada or what ever country that is against us.
you can win wars without the UK, France, Canada etc? name one war that the US has won without any help from foreign countries.

I would have dressed better if I had gone... especially if I had my very own PR people.

But honestly, he's an old man. He deserves to do whatever he wants. I really think that stressing formal attire is a very medieval theme in regards to politics. In a class sense. People are people. It's not like he was wearing a bikini or anything (as far as we know... *Shudder*).

Let's see. The Germans committed it. The French helped them round up victims in France - gladly and willingly. Other nations, such as Denmark, bravely resisted. The French didn't have ANY resistance until the UK set one up for them. The Italians also gladly sent their Jews to the camps.



Ok you can't blame the whole for actions of some. There were French and Italians who tried to help Jews hide and escape.

As to French resistance, you obviously forgot about the Free-French forces.

what about the one where Washington got burned? i wouldnt call that a victory....


Well by that logic, London was heavily bombed so they lost the Battle of Britain right?

Sure Washington was burned but we still won the war.

I'll laugh and continue to poke fun at those inbred Europeans.

Becareful. We have a few inbred people as well.

Well by that logic, London was heavily bombed so they lost the Battle of Britain right?

Sure Washington was burned but we still won the war.

not really, that was after the Battle of Britain, the whole reason for the bombing of London was because they lost the Battle of Britain

Well by that logic, London was heavily bombed so they lost the Battle of Britain right?

Sure Washington was burned but we still won the war.

We didn't win the war against Canada...if so we would so own Canada right now. Where did you learn that we won that war...?

you can win wars without the UK, France, Canada etc? name one war that the US has won without any help from foreign countries.

The Civil War. The Spanish-American War.

If the rest of the world hates us for the clothing our VP wears, I say please hate us more. If the only thing going for those Europeans are their sense of fashion, I'll laugh and continue to poke fun at those inbred Europeans.
tell me, where did your family emigrate to america from?

you can win wars without the UK, France, Canada etc? name one war that the US has won without any help from foreign countries.

Spanish American War.
Mexican American War.

The Civil War. The Spanish-American War.
a war with yourself doesnt count

well done, a 1 year war for a few islands in the Carribean.

We didn't win the war against Canada...if so we would so own Canada right now. Where did you learn that we won that war...?

We weren't at war with Canada, it was England.

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Sorry had to answer a call...

Ok it was a draw, I just wanted to see what his responce would be.
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more than what exactly? nigeria? Khazakstan? Lichtenstein? probably yea, well done



no, no you dont


so you would support him blindly, no matter what he did? thats a very stupid way to look at it


because he was the only leader of a liberating allied country that didnt attend.


what about the one where Washington got burned? i wouldnt call that a victory....


you can win wars without the UK, France, Canada etc? name one war that the US has won without any help from foreign countries.

Look At This Guy!
Mr Smart Ass and Shit

Spanish American War.
Mexican American War.
id like ones a bit more recent than 1848 and 1898

Look At This Guy!
Mr Smart Ass and Shit
good response, well done

Look At This Guy!
Mr Smart Ass and ShitIt's how we do things here.

Y'know, intelligent arguements, proper punctuation and all that.

Welcome to Nationstates General.

id like ones a bit more recent than 1848 and 1898
Well, we have not fought a war by ourselves since then...

who gives a crap if only Cheney showed up, Bush has bigger and better things like kicking Iraqi ass.

Becareful. We have a few inbred people as well.

Not nearly as many as they. You see for eons they all mated with themselves, didn't have a whole lot of immigrants, thus would eventually start with the kissing cousin stuff. In America there is alot of mixing of nationalities, I for instance am a handicapped Polish, Pennsylvania Dutch, German American. My good friend is African, Chinese, Cuban. We call him Som Tin Wong, but that is for another day!

He does have a pretty bad heart (believe it or not, he has one). Standing around in the cold ain't exactly the thing to do if you have a bad ticker and are worried about illness.


LMFAO

Dick Cheney has a heart? Oh thats rich!

Well, we have not fought a war by ourselves since then...
thats my point

you cant fight a war solely on your own anymore, no country can

tell me, where did your family emigrate to america from?

Inbreeding goes away after several generations when you mate with other nationalities!

thats my point

you cant fight a war solely on your own anymore, no country can
That is not necessarily true. Just because we have not does not mean we can not.

Why does it matter? We helped them, its not like we were head of the Nazi organization, if we were Germany we should have sent our President wearing a suit, but we helped so it really doesnt matter who if anyone showed up.

Inbreeding goes away after several generations when you mate with other nationalities!
nice dodge

doesnt answer the question though

who gives a crap if only Cheney showed up, Bush has bigger and better things like kicking Iraqi ass.

Yes please... let's send Bush to Iraq to fight them turrists and bring the troops back home where they belong.

That is not necessarily true. Just because we have not does not mean we can not.
sure, you might be able to take on some crappy African countries that are too busy fighting amongst themselves to fight an invader, but any well organised country, and you need help

look at Iraq. everyone thought that would be a push over and it wasnt, even with foreign help

Hmmmmmmmmmm Let Me See.........Hmmmmmmmmmmm

Amercia Can Kick Your Ass Anytime.If you live in America,you disgrace me.Get the hell out of the country!
If you dont live in Amercia,shut da hell up!

Yes in the war of 1812 yes Washington did get burned by the but did we win that war?dident we?hell ya we did.

Plus America is a friend to everyone,even anti war people and people like you who sit your damn ass typeing on the computer talking shit about America.So Shut Up! :upyours:

And yes i do support him.Because i am an american and i support my country!Unlike You

nice dodge

doesnt answer the question though

I already answered your question, earlier in this thread. Learn to read and catch up!

Hmmmmmmmmmm Let Me See.........Hmmmmmmmmmmm

Amercia Can Kick Your Ass Anytime.If you live in America,you disgrace me.Get the hell out of the country!
If you dont live in Amercia,shut da hell up!

Yes in the war of 1812 yes Washington did get burned by the but did we win that war?dident we?hell ya we did.

Plus America is a friend to everyone,even anti war people and people like you who sit your damn ass typeing on the computer talking shit about America.So Shut Up! :upyours:

And yes i do support him.Because i am an american and i support my country!Unlike You
well i got pwned there

id like ones a bit more recent than 1848 and 1898

Ahhh but you didn't say recent. You said 'any' war. ;)

I already answered your question, earlier in this thread. Learn to read and catch up!
ah, Polish, Dutch and German.

European countries, yes?

Ahhh but you didn't say recent. You said 'any' war. ;)
at least ive clarified since then ;)

sure, you might be able to take on some crappy African countries that are too busy fighting amongst themselves to fight an invader, but any well organised country, and you need help

look at Iraq. everyone thought that would be a push over and it wasnt, even with foreign help

Well the actual military fight was easy. Fighting the terrorists is not as bad as it would seem. Violence has be in decline, we are killing many terrorists compared to our loses!

Well the actual military fight was easy. Fighting the terrorists is not as bad as it would seem. Violence has be in decline, we are killing many terrorists compared to our loses!
you say terrorists, i say resistence. like the French resistence, but with more car bombs.

Its still a fight for control of Iraq, and you still need help doing it

ah, Polish, Dutch and German.

European countries, yes?

Careful! Granddad was a Pole and even fought with you limmies! :p

Getting over what?

I hope you're kidding, do you realize in our country ( I asume you live in the US) There are Neo-Nazis giving their neo-nazi cds to school children, I saw it on CNN, the guy they were interviewing said, "Im not trying to say Im not rascist, believe me, I am, I know I am, I think the world would be better with more rascists." Thats awful, if these things arent remembered than it may happen again, not that I think it mattered what Cheyney was wearing, even though it was dumb of him.

sure, you might be able to take on some crappy African countries that are too busy fighting amongst themselves to fight an invader, but any well organised country, and you need help

look at Iraq. everyone thought that would be a push over and it wasnt, even with foreign help
I suppose, if we wanted to, we could have cleared out all of Iraq. And that would not have been that are or deadly for us. But we didn't. We wanted to do the hard task of invading but not killing everyone. It is one of the things we do, not kill everyone and all. We are not complete assholes.

good response, well done

No problem

ah, Polish, Dutch and German.

European countries, yes?

Yes, but 7 generations removed. I assure you that the inbred genes are not in my blood. BTW I mated with an Italian, Mexican woman! It is funny if you look back on your family tree and for hundreds of years you Europeans married people in your same village. Many places in Europe still do this. Just look at the British Royal family. Their tree has hardly any branches.

thats my point

you cant fight a war solely on your own anymore, no country can

Well technically we really don't have wars. When was the last declared war? ;)

you say terrorists, i say resistence. like the French resistence, but with more car bombs.

Its still a fight for control of Iraq, and you still need help doing it
Not all of them are part of the Iraqi Resistance. A lot of them are from other nations coming in and blowing shit up. Those are terrorists.

I suppose, if we wanted to, we could have cleared out all of Iraq. And that would not have been that are or deadly for us. But we didn't. We wanted to do the hard task of invading but not killing everyone. It is one of the things we do, not kill everyone and all. We are not complete assholes.
that would also be illegal

you think that America could walk into Iran on its own (if we assume that alot of its forces arent tied up in Iraq) could just walk in on its own and take the country?

of course you need outside countries helping, even if its just to get your troops to where you want to attack in the first place.

Everyone who replied "So what?" still doesn't get it. It's not just this particular event. I'm trying to illustrate why exactly we are thought of so poorly by the rest of the world.

Saying "who cares?" only bolsters my arguement. The rest of the world sees us as insensitive self centered assholes. Saying you don't care only proves them right.

Someone on Cheney's staff realized his error. He changed into a formal coat later and ditched the knit cap.

Pity, they didn't act sooner.

who gives a crap if only Cheney showed up, Bush has bigger and better things like kicking Iraqi ass.
Bush never actually uses a gun or anything during Iraqi war. So he can spend the time to pay his respects.

Yes, but 7 generations removed. I assure you that the inbred genes are not in my blood. BTW I mated with an Italian, Mexican woman! It is funny if you look back on your family tree and for hundreds of years you Europeans married people in your same village. Many places in Europe still do this. Just look at the British Royal family. Their tree has hardly any branches.
of course you married people from the same village or town, you werent going to go out of your way just to find someone to marry

it happens even now, people meet in school, or in their town, and get married at some point. dont try and tell me it doesnt


the royal family is hardly a stereotypical european family


so, you are an extension of Europe? so it would seem, Polish, German and Dutch ancestors, plus other people you met in America, or others in your family who would also be descended from Europeans.

America is by and large an extension of Europe, i dont get what the deal with slagging Europe (your ancestral homeland) off is

that would also be illegal
But not impossible.
you think that America could walk into Iran on its own (if we assume that alot of its forces arent tied up in Iraq) could just walk in on its own and take the country?

of course you need outside countries helping, even if its just to get your troops to where you want to attack in the first place.
No, I am talking about other methods we ahve at our disposale that we are not using and will not. We could simply bomb all of Iraq into glass and we would win. We will not do this of course.

Canada did not exist during that period. The British re-attempted to concur the United States and the United States drove them back to Canada. Anyone who tells you otherwise is a moron.

But not impossible.

No, I am talking about other methods we ahve at our disposale that we are not using and will not. We could simply bomb all of Iraq into glass and we would win. We will not do this of course.
because realistically, even though theoretically you could, you couldnt - there would still be a war to be fought

because realistically, even though theoretically you could, you couldnt - there would still be a war to be fought
I am still skeptical.

I am still skeptical.
well im hardly going to be able to convince you over the internet ;)

Everyone who replied "So what?" still doesn't get it. It's not just this particular event. I'm trying to illustrate why exactly we are thought of so poorly by the rest of the world.

Saying "who cares?" only bolsters my arguement. The rest of the world sees us as insensitive self centered assholes. Saying you don't care only proves them right.

Someone on Cheney's staff realized his error. He changed into a formal coat later and ditched the knit cap.

Pity, they didn't act sooner.
Why is accidently wearing a green coat insensitive?

of course you married people from the same village or town, you werent going to go out of your way just to find someone to marry

it happens even now, people meet in school, or in their town, and get married at some point. dont try and tell me it doesnt


the royal family is hardly a stereotypical european family


so, you are an extension of Europe? so it would seem, Polish, German and Dutch ancestors, plus other people you met in America, or others in your family who would also be descended from Europeans.

America is by and large an extension of Europe, i dont get what the deal with slagging Europe (your ancestral homeland) off is

My homeland is the USA, not Europe! I honestly don't care about my families European roots. My forefathers bled and died for this great land, making it the great nation it still is. What other nation was and still is a beacon for those who want a better life?

Pennsylvania Dutch are not Dutch btw.

Why is accidently wearing a green coat insensitive?
did he not realise hed put it on?

its not an accident, he can hardly put on a coat by accident; "oh, sorry, i didnt mean to put it on"

So Cheney didn't look stylish, since when did going to such a solemn event require a dress code, what do you bet the people who went to Auschwitz the first time weren't sportin' the best clothes money could buy either, with all the things going on the world, surely the news media could focus on something other than the clothes VP Cheney wears to an event.


Stacy Proe

because realistically, even though theoretically you could, you couldnt - there would still be a war to be fought

If we nuked Iraq killing everyone in Iraq, how would we still have a war in Iraq? I think we would probably consider that one a win!

did he not realise hed put it on?

its not an accident, he can hardly put on a coat by accident; "oh, sorry, i didnt mean to put it on"
Well, accidently in the way that he did not know it would make some bored reporters get their panties tied in knots.

But not impossible.

No, I am talking about other methods we ahve at our disposale that we are not using and will not. We could simply bomb all of Iraq into glass and we would win. We will not do this of course.

We Should :D

Wait i will probaly be quoted and have to liston to a big speech.

My homeland is the USA, not Europe! I honestly don't care about my families European roots. My forefathers bled and died for this great land, making it the great nation it still is. What other nation was and still is a beacon for those who want a better life?

Pennsylvania Dutch are not Dutch btw.
but at the end of the day, your family is originally European, no matter where they ended up. in the 1300s one half of my family moved to Ireland from England, and i dont mind saying that that side of my family is originally english, same with the other side who came here from Scotland.

I just dont get this whole "disown your roots" thing....

as for a country thats "a beacon for those who want a better life" i doubt i can find a source because i cant remember where i heard it, but in several European countries (IIRC they cited Germany in particular) the proportion (in % i would guess) of people coming from low income areas and ending up with a higher income (getting "a better life") is higher than in the US

where are the Pennsylvanian Dutch from? sorry, i assumed they were Dutch

So Cheney didn't look stylish, since when did going to such a solemn event require a dress code, what do you bet the people who went to Auschwitz the first time weren't sportin' the best clothes money could but either, with all the things going on the world, surely the news media could focus on something other than the clothes VP Cheney wears to an event.


Stacy Proe

Totally
You are 100% Right

We Should :D

Yeah, you should. So you could be nuked back to the stone age you seem to long for so.

If we nuked Iraq killing everyone in Iraq, how would we still have a war in Iraq? I think we would probably consider that one a win!
you think in that case you would only have Iraq to fight?

no, every Arab country would be busy attack you in Iraq, and any with nuclear devices would be more than happy to use them

Why is accidently wearing a green coat insensitive? :rolleyes: He probably attended with a staff numbering close to a hundred. He's representing the entire US at a formal solemn event.

"Accidents" like that shouldn't happen.

okay, if this whole forum is because bush sent cheney to auswtch and cheney wore somtin that isnt a suit its a big deal...thats sad, their are more pressing issues at the moment and u care about cheneys clothes, europeans always finmd an eexcuse to blame america :mad:

you think in that case you would only have Iraq to fight?

no, every Arab country would be busy attack you in Iraq, and any with nuclear devices would be more than happy to use them
Well, I have an idea. If we nuke everybody, we will not have to fight anyone. We will die after this, but at least we did not lose any soldiers in battle.

you think in that case you would only have Iraq to fight?

no, every Arab country would be busy attack you in Iraq, and any with nuclear devices would be more than happy to use them

Don't think too many ICBM's are in the hands of the Arabs. Besides, we would just have to nuke all of the muslim nations I guess. Then we would win, now wouldn't we?

For what it's worth, I am non-European, and non-American, and I think that turning up in an old raincoat was irreverent, and flippant towards the horrific tradgedies being commemorated.

But then, Mr Cheny comes from a country where people applaud themselves when they win things, a country where a lawsuit is a preferable option over talking to aggreived parties and sorting out a compromise, and where anyone not American appears to be also not a person.

So basically, yes it was callous and very disprespectful, exactly what has been come to expect from US Politicians, who are afterall, the people who have been chosen to represent the population of the US.

Cheers
Grantwold

Don't think too many ICBM's are in the hands of the Arabs. Besides, we would just have to nuke all of the muslim nations I guess. Then we would win, now wouldn't we?
no, because then wed have all out nuclear war, and nobody wins then

Sorry guys, but I'm quite sure that noone in europe cares what Cheeney wears. Really. They noticed that only the VP was there, and thats it. We would have been happy if Bush would have been there - but he wasnt. Thats it, no more, no less. just noticed.
Europeans have much more worrys with the us than the clothes of your VP.

Yeah, you should. So you could be nuked back to the stone age you seem to long for so.

damn are people stuck up!It was a fucking joke!

On topic, Cheney can dress however he pleases and I'm pleased to see our honorable vice president dressing independent. Cheney is definitely a trend setter. With that said, only a 17 year old california fashion obsessed valley girl would give a rat's ass what Dick Cheney is wearing, just be happy he didn't come dressed as a drag queen.

That said, all the Bush & Cheney haters out there can go take a long walk off a short pier. Both Bush & Cheney will be fondly remembered while you're dead and rotting and forgotten.

That said, all the Bush & Cheney haters out there can go take a long walk off a short pier. Both Bush & Cheney will be fondly remembered while you're dead and rotting and forgotten.

As fondly remembered as the pieces of shit Nixon and Reagan, no doubt.

For what it's worth, I am non-European, and non-American, and I think that turning up in an old raincoat was irreverent, and flippant towards the horrific tradgedies being commemorated.

But then, Mr Cheny comes from a country where people applaud themselves when they win things, a country where a lawsuit is a preferable option over talking to aggreived parties and sorting out a compromise, and where anyone not American appears to be also not a person.

So basically, yes it was callous and very disprespectful, exactly what has been come to expect from US Politicians, who are afterall, the people who have been chosen to represent the population of the US.

Cheers
GrantwoldThank you.

My point exactly. Having our VP act like an insensitive lumpkin doesn't do anything to dispel the commonly percieved notion worldwide that we're a nation of insensitive jerks.

Just for the record Grantwold, we're not.

But we do have our share.

So basically, yes it was callous and very disprespectful, exactly what has been come to expect from US Politicians, who are afterall, the people who have been chosen to represent the population of the US.


Don't label all americans with that. Many of us didn't wan't them.

Don't label all americans with that. Many of us didn't wan't them.
thats democracy

but at the end of the day, your family is originally European, no matter where they ended up. in the 1300s one half of my family moved to Ireland from England, and i dont mind saying that that side of my family is originally english, same with the other side who came here from Scotland.

I just dont get this whole "disown your roots" thing....

as for a country thats "a beacon for those who want a better life" i doubt i can find a source because i cant remember where i heard it, but in several European countries (IIRC they cited Germany in particular) the proportion (in % i would guess) of people coming from low income areas and ending up with a higher income (getting "a better life") is higher than in the US

where are the Pennsylvanian Dutch from? sorry, i assumed they were Dutch

Yes we are originally European, but I consider myself an American above all else.

I see your tree probably is missing a few branches as well. ;)

I disown my "roots" as I find it more important to grasp at reality. After so many generations here in the US, I like to think I have no European in me. My customs, way of life is totally different then in Europe. It is the American way.

I would need some sources before I believe your stats about success here and in Germany.

PA Dutch come from Germany as well, but were part of the Mennonites and Amish sects.

For what it's worth, I am non-European, and non-American, and I think that turning up in an old raincoat was irreverent, and flippant towards the horrific tradgedies being commemorated.

But then, Mr Cheny comes from a country where people applaud themselves when they win things, a country where a lawsuit is a preferable option over talking to aggreived parties and sorting out a compromise, and where anyone not American appears to be also not a person.

So basically, yes it was callous and very disprespectful, exactly what has been come to expect from US Politicians, who are afterall, the people who have been chosen to represent the population of the US.

Cheers
Grantwold
Since you are not from the US, I thought I might clear some things up for you.

1. Most civil cases are settled outside of court. Compromises do happen.
2. There are only a few assholes that think foreigners are not people. What you said is generalizing as much as they are.
3. He realized his mistake and changed.
4. Is it really that disrespectful? Is fashion how we respect the deceased? Are the poor callous and disrespectful because they can nt afford expensive black suits?
5. We do not elect the VP.
6. How are we supposed to know every detail and every action a candidate will do?

As fondly remembered as the pieces of shit Nixon and Reagan, no doubt.

Or the pieces of shit known as ABBA. Wow what a nice contribution to the world, reject!

Yes we are originally European, but I consider myself an American above all else.

I see your tree probably is missing a few branches as well. ;)

I disown my "roots" as I find it more important to grasp at reality. After so many generations here in the US, I like to think I have no European in me. My customs, way of life is totally different then in Europe. It is the American way.

I would need some sources before I believe your stats about success here and in Germany.

PA Dutch come from Germany as well, but were part of the Mennonites and Amish sects.

oh its got plenty of brances, i just simplified it for you.

if you really want to know, i have Indians from the 1500s, French, German, Italian, Irish, Scottish, Welsh, Norse...and more

ill have a look for sources, but i would guess that it will be hard to find something that was mentioned at the end of the news

OK, i didnt know that about PA Dutch, thanks for telling me

Or the pieces of shit known as ABBA. Wow what a nice contribution to the world, reject!

Yeah, the country of Britney Spears and the Backstreet Boys should talk. Oooh, or better yet, country music.

4. Is it really that disrespectful? Is fashion how we respect the deceased? Are the poor callous and disrespectful because they can nt afford expensive black suits?



Reason why its disrespectful, maybe it's because, in civilised countries we do pay respect, with the utmost of formality the 6 million+ Jews alone that were deliberatly murdered. This is no little thing, we cannot shrug such an event as 'it was in the past, they're dead, what does it matter'. What you have to bear in mind is that we are ashamed as a RACE for what we are able to commit, we are ashamed that, in our past, humans could actually carry out such mass murder and not mind. This is nothing to do with countries, this is to do with people, we have to remember this event otherwise one day, someone will forget and do it again.

I love how so many people can hate Cheney and call him so disrespectful, yet less than a month or two ago, we had a prince of England wearing a swastika armband to a party. Here many bitch that Cheney didn't wear a black coat.

Seriously guys. Just say you hate America and shut the fuck up.

I love how so many people can hate Cheney and call him so disrespectful, yet less than a month or two ago, we had a prince of England wearing a swastika armband to a party. Here many bitch that Cheney didn't wear a black coat.

Seriously guys. Just say you hate America and shut the fuck up.
a Prince of England, who in no way represents the nation, and at a private fancy dress party - not an official state function where he was representing the nation

ok u ppl must be dumb for exagerating about wot a guy wore, now i might sound a bit cold because of the auswiscth thing but man, maybe the guy was in a hry or somtin, or maybe he was insecure wot to bring, so stop making a big freakin deal out of a little miniscule jacket, omg, there r much more important things and u dumbasses manged to notice a coat,....congrats for being stupid

I love how so many people can hate Cheney and call him so disrespectful, yet less than a month or two ago, we had a prince of England wearing a swastika armband to a party. Here many bitch that Cheney didn't wear a black coat.

Seriously guys. Just say you hate America and shut the fuck up.

actually the swastika is a jewish symbol, the nazis just mest it up and spread it so now everyone doesnt notice about its jewish origins

Reason why its disrespectful, maybe it's because, in civilised countries we do pay respect, with the utmost of formality the 6 million+ Jews alone that were deliberatly murdered. This is no little thing, we cannot shrug such an event as 'it was in the past, they're dead, what does it matter'. What you have to bear in mind is that we are ashamed as a RACE for what we are able to commit, we are ashamed that, in our past, humans could actually carry out such mass murder and not mind. This is nothing to do with countries, this is to do with people, we have to remember this event otherwise one day, someone will forget and do it again.
I do not need a lecture on why the Auschwitz dedication was important.

So fashion is more important than being present and quietly giving your respect?

I do not need a lecture on why the Auschwitz dedication was important.

So fashion is more important than being present and quietly giving your respect?

That's the whole point. You don't give respect wearing rags.

Honest to God – Some people on this forum are the most ignorant people I have ever met

That's the whole point. You don't give respect wearing rags.
Wow. So, fashion is more important than being there and actually caring about the event.

I am going to go kill myself now because I hate this world we live in...

Wow. So, fashion is more important than being there and actually caring about the event.



yea but Bush didnt even care enough to go himself

would you wear bright colours to a funeral?

im sure you wouldnt, i know i wouldnt wear a red suit to a funeral...its about wearing the right colours and being respectful

Wow. So, fashion is more important than being there and actually caring about the event.

It has nothing to do with fashion and you know it. It has to do with repectful attire and he disrespected everyone by looking like a tramp.

Losing what? The war? That has nothing to do with the Holohoax
Nope, you lost because Hitler was an incompetent ass when it came to actual military activities.

yea but Bush didnt even care enough to go himself

would you wear bright colours to a funeral?

im sure you wouldnt, i know i wouldnt wear a red suit to a funeral...its about wearing the right colours and being respectful
It was a dark green.

It was a dark green.
i have a dark green coat

i still wouldnt wear it to a funeral, black is appropriate, to show respect and a degree of mourning. Thats the way its done here

Nope, you lost because Hitler was an incompetent ass when it came to actual military activities.

Actually he was amzing when it came to strategic ideas. He was able to completely control the majority of Europe after a reletively short campaign (note I am not doing this because I'm a neo-nazi, this is because I'm aware of facts). The only reason why he lost the war was not because of the UK, nor the US, but because of the Russians, he underestimated the Russian Winter and it is only that that caused his ultimate defeat.

a Prince of England, who in no way represents the nation, and at a private fancy dress party - not an official state function where he was representing the nation

I see. So if somebody like Colin Powell wore a swastika within his home and it leaked out somehow, nobody would make a fuss? Oh please.

People don't give respect with rags? That was probably a five hundred dollar coat. And try telling all those muslims in third world countries that they don't give respect or pray with their attire. Seriously you're a dumb fuck.

And no. People usually don't wear bright colors at a funeral but last I checked, that pale dark green he wore wasn't a bright color.

Actually he was amzing when it came to strategic ideas. He was able to completely control the majority of Europe after a reletively short campaign (note I am not doing this because I'm a neo-nazi, this is because I'm aware of facts). The only reason why he lost the war was not because of the UK, nor the US, but because of the Russians, he underestimated the Russian Winter and it is only that that caused his ultimate defeat.
would it be fair to say he was good at offensive strategies, but not so good at defence and retreat?

It has nothing to do with fashion and you know it. It has to do with repectful attire and he disrespected everyone by looking like a tramp.
Did he really? It was a dark green, puffy coat. That is not really disrestful clothing. Now, if he were wearing a wife-beater and some cutoff shorts you might have a point. If you want to get technical, in the picture they show, everyone wearing hats. That could be considered disrespectful when honoring the dead. And the lady behind him is wearing a brown fur coat.

would it be fair to say he was good at offensive strategies, but not so good at defence and retreat?

Probably, because he didn't plan for what would happen if he didn't subdue the Russians. In the end, he was fighting a war on three fronts (France, Russian, Africa/Italy) and that would take a mastermind to get out of that.

I see. So if somebody like Colin Powell wore a swastika within his home and it leaked out somehow, nobody would make a fuss? Oh please.

People don't give respect with rags? That was probably a five hundred dollar coat. And try telling all those muslims in third world countries that they don't give respect or pray with their attire. Seriously you're a dumb fuck.

And no. People usually don't wear bright colors at a funeral but last I checked, that pale dark green he wore wasn't a bright color.

Try not to flame.

I see. So if somebody like Colin Powell wore a swastika within his home and it leaked out somehow, nobody would make a fuss? Oh please.

oh people would make a fuss. like they did with Harry, it doesnt mean its right to make a fuss though. If Colin Powell wore a swastika at a private fancy dress party, then i wouldnt care, it was private, and it was fancy dress


People don't give respect with rags? That was probably a five hundred dollar coat. And try telling all those muslims in third world countries that they don't give respect or pray with their attire.

like i said:
"Thats the way its done here". Here being Europe

Seriously you're a dumb fuck
thanks, i just hope a mod sees that :)


And no. People usually don't wear bright colors at a funeral but last I checked, that pale dark green he wore wasn't a bright color.
a dark green coat with a big white fluffy bit around the hood. hmmm...

My question is, why is the news making such a big deal out of it? It was a coat! So, he wore a dark green coat. Who cares?

Sometimes I wonder what is wrong with people.

Because our liberal buddies love to nitpick. At least by complaining about coats and ceremonies we know that there isn't anything important for them to say.

Probably, because he didn't plan for what would happen if he didn't subdue the Russians. In the end, he was fighting a war on three fronts (France, Russian, Africa/Italy) and that would take a mastermind to get out of that.
i guess a mastermind wouldnt have got himself involved in three fronts in the first place.

I see. So if somebody like Colin Powell wore a swastika within his home and it leaked out somehow, nobody would make a fuss? Oh please.

Yeah, and there certainly was no fuss over the prince's choice of clothes. Nothing like international outrage or anything.

/sarcasm

People don't give respect with rags? That was probably a five hundred dollar coat. And try telling all those muslims in third world countries that they don't give respect or pray with their attire. Seriously you're a dumb fuck.

Even in third world countries they know to put on the best they have and to respect the customs of the mourners. Cheney did none of those things.

And you might as well stop shaming yourself with the personal attacks. You only expose yourself as a "dumb fuck" when you calls others that.

Because our liberal buddies love to nitpick. At least by complaining about coats and ceremonies we know that there isn't anything important for them to say.

Cheers to the Butterfly who said it best.

i guess a mastermind wouldnt have got himself involved in three fronts in the first place.
Well, as said, if his plan had worked there wouldn't be any fronts, Russia would have fallen and then the UK, with that North Africa would have been taken as well. It was a gamble, people take risks sometimes, he just couldn't pull it off...

Well, as said, if his plan had worked there wouldn't be any fronts, Russia would have fallen and then the UK, with that North Africa would have been taken as well. It was a gamble, people take risks sometimes, he just couldn't pull it off...
true

just as well he couldnt...

Because our liberal buddies love to nitpick. At least by complaining about coats and ceremonies we know that there isn't anything important for them to say.

Apologist ramblings by those who know their VP shamed himself and his nation, and deeply disrespected millions.

well i know that we shouldnt care what people wear but the event was sorta like a funeral right? well he should of atleast wore something appropriate. I live in Canada and i might freeze my ass of when i have to dress appropriatly but i still do it out of respect.

Because our liberal buddies love to nitpick. At least by complaining about coats and ceremonies we know that there isn't anything important for them to say.
lol sooo true ;)

Because our liberal buddies love to nitpick. At least by complaining about coats and ceremonies we know that there isn't anything important for them to say.
yea, because everyone who has a problem with anything America or its representatives do is automatically a liberal

Apologist ramblings by those who know their VP shamed himself and his nation, and deeply disrespected millions.

boo hoo...because he wore a coat and boots. There are plenty worse things he could do...you know...like selling weapons to our enemies (france?) or committing the war crimes in the first place (germany?). I'm sorry if you don't understand that the US president has more important things to do that attend ceremonies. If he has the time, great, but unfortunately, he has a world to run.

Ok i am getting really pissed about these topics about how America is this and America is that or Bush did this and Bush Did Not Do That.
Come on people!America has done more in your entire lifetime!We kick ass!I know people like bush and dont like bush,so what!Hes our president!Still we have got to support the president of The United States.And yes, Bush did not go to the Holocost Cermony.Many world leaders dident ethier.So why tackle Bush?

And America has won every war in its history as a country!The rest of the world can kiss our ass!Our big ass!Get in the crack come on!The US can win this war even without UK or Russia or France or Canada or what ever country that is against us.

Korea and Vietnam. And, oh yeah, things ain't goin so well in Iraq.

Other than that little bit of historical enlightenment, let me just say the flag is a rag and last I checked, God's not into gang warfare. My grandfather was fond of saying if you didn't vote, you can't bitch. I voted for Kerry knowing full well he'd probably lose, but didn't want to be responsible for four more. Fuck respecting an institution when it's held by an idiot. Fuck the flag when it's used as an excuse to justify invasions and occupations. Yeah, I live in this country, but I ain't got to like or love every goddam thing it does. And I ain't got to move or shut up cause I disagree. Patriotism and nationalism have resulted in the death of more people than anything else and that's all their doin now.

yea, because everyone who has a problem with anything America or its representatives do is automatically a liberal

Funny...I missed my conclusion where I said "America haters equal liberals"...maybe you could point it out for me?

Apologist ramblings by those who know their VP shamed himself and his nation, and deeply disrespected millions.
omg he wore a dark green coat...i didnt know we were supposed to be tailors or some dumb crap like that...this is just a rly gay argument, wearing black is more depressing,at least he acted respectful, stop acting like dumbasses because of a oat...jesus

boo hoo...because he wore a coat and boots. There are plenty worse things he could do...you know...like selling weapons to our enemies (france?) or committing the war crimes in the first place (germany?).

Like Guantanemo?


I'm sorry if you don't understand that the US president has more important things to do that attend ceremonies. If he has the time, great, but unfortunately, he has a world to run.
He doesnt run the world, he runs the US

Funny...I missed my conclusion where I said "America haters equal liberals"...maybe you could point it out for me?

no problem


Because our liberal buddies love to nitpick. At least by complaining about coats and ceremonies we know that there isn't anything important for them to say.

Like Guantanemo?

He doesnt run the world, he runs the US

There is no declared war with the "terrorists"...they are not prisoners of war...the geneva convention doesn't apply. We're not arguing this here.

Also, try to make an argument that America doesn't run the world in one way or another. While you may not like or agree with it, it's really hard to argue that the US's dominance doesn't exist in many forms.

boo hoo...because he wore a coat and boots. There are plenty worse things he could do...you know...like selling weapons to our enemies (france?)

You mean the "enemy" you sold weapons to first?

or committing the war crimes in the first place (germany?).

Yeah, your representative was worse than the German representatives. Shameful, indeed.

I'm sorry if you don't understand that the US president has more important things to do that attend ceremonies.

Yes, he has to lie together reasons to attack countries.

If he has the time, great, but unfortunately, he has a world to run.

Yeah, the US is the world. :rolleyes:

Well, it looks like my fur coat and hats post is not going to be replied to. Guess that means it is time for me to retire.

There is no declared war with the "terrorists"...they are not prisoners of war...the geneva convention doesn't apply. We're not arguing this here.


ok, we wont


Also, try to make an argument that America doesn't run the world in one way or another. While you may not like or agree with it, it's really hard to argue that the US's dominance doesn't exist in many forms.
thats the thing, America likes to think it runs the world, when really you dont

omg he wore a dark green coat...i didnt know we were supposed to be tailors or some dumb crap like that...this is just a rly gay argument, wearing black is more depressing,at least he acted respectful, stop acting like dumbasses because of a oat...jesus

The dumbass is the one who thinks "gay" is something bad.

And your VP looked like a tramp at a mourning ceremony. The shame is on your nation.

yea, because everyone who has a problem with anything America or its representatives do is automatically a liberal

Shhh you will confuse him. He probably thinks liberals are the same everywhere in the world! ;)

Ok Nadkor, ye of flawed and untraceable logic, the original statement was:

My question is, why is the news making such a big deal out of it?

My response to that question was:

Because our liberal buddies love to nitpick.

This implies nothing other than the fact that the news is Liberal. While that statement is obviously not entirely true, it is no where near false. Also, I doubt Fox was the station "making such a big deal out of it," so my implication seems accurate. Frankly, it didn't even mention "us haters" in the original post at all. I couldn't call them liberals if they weren't mentioned in the first place.

Shhh you will confuse him. He probably thinks liberals are the same everywhere in the world! ;)

Heh...oh yeah...a poli sci major with no concept of world politics...you caught me...

*rolls eyes*

The dumbass is the one who thinks "gay" is something bad.

Explain to me how one's opinion on homosexuality influences their IQ in any way at all.

Ok Nadkor, ye of flawed and untraceable logic, the original statement was:

My question is, why is the news making such a big deal out of it?

My response to that question was:

Because our liberal buddies love to nitpick.

This implies nothing other than the fact that the news is Liberal. While that statement is obviously not entirely true, it is no where near false. Also, I doubt Fox was the station "making such a big deal out of it," so my implication seems accurate. Frankly, it didn't even mention "us haters" in the original post at all. I couldn't call them liberals if they weren't mentioned in the first place.
it also implies that the people debating the issue are liberals, after all, theyre the ones who love to nitpick

Korea and Vietnam. And, oh yeah, things ain't goin so well in Iraq.
.

Just a nitpick. The Korean war never ended.

thats the thing, America likes to think it runs the world, when really you dont

May I ask where you're from then?

Explain to me how one's opinion on homosexuality influences their IQ in any way at all.
apparently it lowers it, im not sure how though, id love an explanation



i hope Fass realises that just because you dont agree with someones viewpoint, it doesnt mean that theyre automatically unintelligent (if thats even a word....)

The dumbass is the one who thinks "gay" is something bad.

And your VP looked like a tramp at a mourning ceremony. The shame is on your nation.

and wot nation u from, the nation with respectable jackets,somebody should slap all u guys who think a dark green coat is very innaprapriate for this,we are trying to remember those at auswisch not dress and look nice,in fact, arguing over his clothes is insulting them becuase that all u pay attention to the clothes ...wow he isnt wearin black WHO CARES... he came didnt he

Explain to me how one's opinion on homosexuality influences their IQ in any way at all.

Oh, what, you're nitpicking? You a hypocrite? No...

/sarcasm

May I ask where you're from then?
if you look left youll see im from Northern Ireland :)

it also implies that the people debating the issue are liberals, after all, theyre the ones who love to nitpick

If it does than you're putting words into my mouth...or my fingers in this case. I merely commented on the news...the only people included being those who report it, not those who debate it on internet forums or elsewhere.

and wot nation u from, the nation with respectable jackets,somebody should slap all u guys who think a dark green coat is very innaprapriate for this,we are trying to remember those at auswisch not dress and look nice,in fact, arguing over his clothes is insulting them becuase that all u pay attention to the clothes ...wow he isnt wearin black WHO CARES... he came didnt he
actually the original issue, i think, was that Cheney went, but Bush couldnt be bothered. somehow it ended up talking about his coat

Oh, what, you're nitpicking? You a hypocrite? No...

/sarcasm

You can't win an unfair fight by playing fair, Fass. Look around and see who's on my side here...then look and see who's against me. Besides, you're comparing me and you to Bush and the rest of the world....a little egotistical, eh?

and wot nation u from, the nation with respectable jackets,somebody should slap all u guys who think a dark green coat is very innaprapriate for this,we are trying to remember those at auswisch not dress and look nice,in fact, arguing over his clothes is insulting them becuase that all u pay attention to the clothes ...wow he isnt wearin black WHO CARES... he came didnt he

Disgraceful attire at a mourning ceremony. Simple as that. The US bears the shame.

If it does than you're putting words into my mouth...or my fingers in this case. I merely commented on the news...the only people included being those who report it, not those who debate it on internet forums or elsewhere.
ok, well i must have read you wrong then, sorry about that :)

You can't win an unfair fight by playing fair, Fass. Look around and see who's on my side here...then look and see who's against me. Besides, you're comparing me and you to Bush and the rest of the world....a little egotistical, eh?
hell, im even on your side about that comment

You can't win an unfair fight by playing fair, Fass. Look around and see who's on my side here...

Yeah, not the sharpest tools in the shed.

then look and see who's against me. Besides, you're comparing me and you to Bush and the rest of the world....a little egotistical, eh?

I was? Where?

if you look left youll see im from Northern Ireland :)

Ah...good point. But the thing is...you're from Europe...your psychological makeup bars you from admitting America's dominance, much like that of Americans forbids them from admitting America's faults.

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Originally Posted by Nadkor
thats the thing, America likes to think it runs the world, when really you dont
ok so is this a fact or r u just acting stupid, if u r only basing ur opnion becuase of the wars america has played a good role in then ur a dumbass, if not then ur still a dumbass, all this stupid propaganda in the rest of the world is wots makin america look bad, not america itself

Ah...good point. But the thing is...you're from Europe...your psychological makeup bars you from admitting America's dominance, much like that of Americans forbids them from admitting America's faults.
oh i have no problem admitting America right now is the dominant superpower in the world, youd be a fool not to

but i draw the line at saying it runs the world, its simply not true

Ok i am getting really pissed about these topics about how America is this and America is that or Bush did this and Bush Did Not Do That.
Come on people!America has done more in your entire lifetime!We kick ass!I know people like bush and dont like bush,so what!Hes our president!Still we have got to support the president of The United States.And yes, Bush did not go to the Holocost Cermony.Many world leaders dident ethier.So why tackle Bush?

And America has won every war in its history as a country!The rest of the world can kiss our ass!Our big ass!Get in the crack come on!The US can win this war even without UK or Russia or France or Canada or what ever country that is against us.

Wrong. We Canadians kicked your ass in the War of 1812. (Don't say it was a draw, yankee, we went and burned your capital, and a bunch of other cities too.)
And if it were not for the fact that we were busy fighting the French in the Naponlionic Wars, which we were busy kicking ass in, the United States of America would cease to exist, and Britian would rule the world, like it should be, with Canada at it's side! w00t!

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Originally Posted by Nadkor
thats the thing, America likes to think it runs the world, when really you dont
ok so is this a fact or r u just acting stupid, if u r only basing ur opnion becuase of the wars america has played a good role in then ur a dumbass, if not then ur still a dumbass, all this stupid propaganda in the rest of the world is wots makin america look bad, not america itself
come back when you know punctuation, then i might be able to reply. right now, im finding it difficult to find a point to that post

You can't win an unfair fight by playing fair, Fass. Look around and see who's on my side here...then look and see who's against me. Besides, you're comparing me and you to Bush and the rest of the world....a little egotistical, eh?
I was on your side unitl they stopped responding to me because they were focusing on the weaker arguments made by the adamant ones.

Yeah, not the sharpest tools in the shed.



I was? Where?


Ok...this is getting old now...but since I have nothing better to do for a bit longer...I'll continue...

First of all, you called the people that aren't here supporting me stupid. That in itself makes absolutely no sense.

Second, you called me a hypocrit for nitpicking when I complained about the liberal news nitpicking. That indirectly compares us to the larger situation where nitpicking is involved.

I was on your side unitl they stopped responding to me because they were focusing on the weaker arguments made by the adamant ones.
what was your argument? (ok i know what it was, but i dont know how i stopped replying to you, i must have missed your last post somewhere along the line, sorry)

all this stupid propaganda in the rest of the world is wots makin america look bad, not america itself

Yeah, you just keep telling yourself that!

Wrong. We Canadians kicked your ass in the War of 1812. (Don't say it was a draw, yankee, we went and burned your capital, and a bunch of other cities too.)
And if it were not for the fact that we were busy fighting the French in the Naponlionic Wars, which we were busy kicking ass in, the United States of America would cease to exist, and Britian would rule the world, like it should be, with Canada at it's side! w00t!
Wasn't Canada still part of Great Britain at that time? Canada did nothing. England burned down the White House. And the war was a draw.

oh i have no problem admitting America right now is the dominant superpower in the world, youd be a fool not to

but i draw the line at saying it runs the world, its simply not true

Eh, I guess it's all opinions...but from our economical influence...and the fact that when America speaks...nations listen or else.

Not that it should be that way or anything, but that's how it is in a very compact explanation. Of course there are exceptions, but I'm writing a post, not a term paper.

Wrong. We Canadians kicked your ass in the War of 1812. (Don't say it was a draw, yankee, we went and burned your capital, and a bunch of other cities too.)
And if it were not for the fact that we were busy fighting the French in the Naponlionic Wars, which we were busy kicking ass in, the United States of America would cease to exist, and Britian would rule the world, like it should be, with Canada at it's side! w00t!

okay everybody, take a moment to read this quote, then notice how dumb ths guy is, canada and britain can kiss my american ass, we beat them once we can do it again

Wasn't Canada still part of Great Britain at that time? Canada did nothing. England burned down the White House. And the war was a draw.
i remember reading somewhere that the White House was grey stone until then, and they painted it white to cover the scorch marks, hence its name

is that true? ive always wondered

Yeah, you just keep telling yourself that!

I'm betting that he will, just as you continue to tell yourself how stupid Bush is and whatnot.

First of all, you called the people that aren't here supporting me stupid. That in itself makes absolutely no sense.

No, I stand by my opinion that the incoherent fellow is not the sharpest tool in the shed.

Second, you called me a hypocrit for nitpicking when I complained about the liberal news nitpicking. That indirectly compares us to the larger situation where nitpicking is involved.

Fallacious hyperbole, anyone? Grasping at straws?

okay everybody, take a moment to read this quote, then notice how dumb ths guy is, canada and britain can kiss my american ass, we beat them once we can do it again

Yeah, his post is dumb, but so are "my penis is bigger than your's" or "star trek's better than star wars" arguments.

what was your argument? (ok i know what it was, but i dont know how i stopped replying to you, i must have missed your last post somewhere along the line, sorry)
I was talking about picture wherein everyone is wearing a hat (kind of disrespectful when honoring the dead) and the woman behind Cheney is wearing a brown fur coat. I was wondering why noone cared about that.

Eh, I guess it's all opinions...but from our economical influence...and the fact that when America speaks...nations listen or else.

Not that it should be that way or anything, but that's how it is in a very compact explanation. Of course there are exceptions, but I'm writing a post, not a term paper.
well, i know that the UK (im just using where im from as an example, i dont know about other countries) has a fair bit more trade with Europe than with America

so while the Dollar might be the main international currency, the US isnt the most important economic partner for the UK, but it is right up there with the EU

I can accept that for alot of "third world" countries it might be the way you describe, but i do think you are overestimating the influence of America on the strongest European nations (UK, France, Germany etc, the economic best i Europe)

No, I stand by my opinion that the incoherent fellow is not the sharpest tool in the shed.



Fallacious hyperbole, anyone? Grasping at straws?

Whatever. In all honesty, it was merely a smartass comment. If you want to tell yourself that it doesn't make sense, I really can't do anything about it, now can I? Still, it makes sense, and I hardly need to grasp at straws.

I'm betting that he will, just as you continue to tell yourself how stupid Bush is and whatnot.

I don't need to tell myself Bush is stupid, because I don't believe he is. He's a terrible human being, and a failure as a president, and lacks even the basic oratory skills, and his foreign and domestic policies are jokes, and he's a liar.

Stupid? No. To cock-up like he has, you need to be somewhat smart.

I was talking about picture wherein everyone is wearing a hat (kind of disrespectful when honoring the dead) and the woman behind Cheney is wearing a brown fur coat. I was wondering why noone cared about that.
well, personally if someone was wearing a hat during the lowering of the coffin and the service at the graveside, id see it as slightly disrepstectful, but for a memorial service im not so sure, but i do think that they should be wearing black.

again, thats just a personal opinion

Yeah, his post is dumb, but so are "my penis is bigger than your's" or "star trek's better than star wars" arguments.

ok i went overboard but... i h8 it when ppl falsely insult bush and america for jackets and wars we r winnin

I was talking about picture wherein everyone is wearing a hat (kind of disrespectful when honoring the dead) and the woman behind Cheney is wearing a brown fur coat. I was wondering why noone cared about that.

Getting back to my first post that was actually on topic, it's because America's a large easy target. Every other nation seems to think that their opinions matter and that they should all be personally consulting before America does something. The world simply doesn't work that way. Most honestly don't care about the coat, it's just another chance to "shame" America.

ok i went overboard but... i h8 it when ppl falsely insult bush and america for jackets and wars we r winnin

Yeah...I know how you feel.

No, I stand by my opinion that the incoherent fellow is not the sharpest tool in the shed.



Fallacious hyperbole, anyone? Grasping at straws?
i would suggest that you are as ignorant as him

saying that if someone holds a differing opinion and viewpoint to you they are automatically inferior in anyway is ignorance

i remember reading somewhere that the White House was grey stone until then, and they painted it white to cover the scorch marks, hence its name

is that true? ive always wondered
Not sure. I am pretty sure it was not always called the White House as that is a new tradition. But the building was burned down so I would bet they actually rebuilt it instead of fixed it up.

Getting back to my first post that was actually on topic, it's because America's a large easy target. Every other nation seems to think that their opinions matter and that they should all be personally consulting before America does something. The world simply doesn't work that way. Most honestly don't care about the coat, it's just another chance to "shame" America.
my first post in this thread wasnt even anything to do with the coat...sure i think its a little disrespectful but its not a big deal

Whatever. In all honesty, it was merely a smartass comment. If you want to tell yourself that it doesn't make sense, I really can't do anything about it, now can I? Still, it makes sense, and I hardly need to grasp at straws.

Answering "whatever" and still you say you're not grasping at straws with which you build your straw men? Unconvincing, indeed.

I don't need to tell myself Bush is stupid, because I don't believe he is. He's a terrible human being, and a failure as a president, and lacks even the basic oratory skills, and his foreign and domestic policies are jokes, and he's a liar.

Stupid? No. To cock-up like he has, you need to be somewhat smart.

The point was that opinions by nature cannot be wrong if they exist, and obvious his opinion existed. You being sarcastic isn't going to change his opinion, nor is anyone here going to change your's.

You're really having trouble connecting point A with point B, aren't you?

Not sure. I am pretty sure it was not always called the White House as that is a new tradition. But the building was burned down so I would bet they actually rebuilt it instead of fixed it up.
OK, thanks

i might do a wee bit of research into that, it just seems like an interesting topic...how the US fixed up the White House

Cheneys attire proves he identifys with nazis subliminally

i would suggest that you are as ignorant as him

saying that if someone holds a differing opinion and viewpoint to you they are automatically inferior in anyway is ignorance

Really, you should master reading comprehension before making such comments, no? Go back and see that the "dumbass" remark was a play on his "gay" and "dumbass" comment.

Run along now.

I don't need to tell myself Bush is stupid, because I don't believe he is. He's a terrible human being, and a failure as a president, and lacks even the basic oratory skills, and his foreign and domestic policies are jokes, and he's a liar.

Stupid? No. To cock-up like he has, you need to be somewhat smart.

u must be rly stupid and ignorant, im surpised he is able to keep the stocks stable with this iraqi war and sustaining peace and helping ppl, anyway i dnt see britin or france... or spain doin much in iraq, so tell me, ow is trying to revitilize a 3rd world counrty make u a bad person

Really, you should master reading comprehension before making such comments, no? Go back and see that the "dumbass" remark was a play on his "gay" and "dumbass" comment.

Run along now.
seriously...throughout this thread even when people have insulted me ive refrained from insulting back, but you really are a cock

Answering "whatever" and still you say you're not grasping at straws with which you build your straw men? Unconvincing, indeed.

lmao..."with which I build my straw men"

Now we're in a metaphor contest for some reason I see...

If you're implying that my "points" (or men) have been made by pulling stuff out of my ass, (or grasping at straws) you're once again...disillusioned.

Cheneys attire proves he identifys with nazis subliminally

wtf

Cheneys attire proves he identifys with nazis subliminally
obviously :rolleyes:

Cheneys attire proves he identifys with nazis subliminally

Yep...and America is the fourth reich *rolls eyes*

Think before you post, please.

did he just not care?

I don't know about Dick Cheyney or Dubya, but I certainly don't care.

well, personally if someone was wearing a hat during the lowering of the coffin and the service at the graveside, id see it as slightly disrepstectful, but for a memorial service im not so sure, but i do think that they should be wearing black.

again, thats just a personal opinion
I was just curious. I can understand why someone would want everyone to wear black. I guess it all comes down to opinions. It is my belief that as long as people are decently dressed (as in not jeans and a t-shirt) and they are being respectful, the fact that their clothing is not black does not matter. I did not find the jacket to be that tacky. It was only a coat and I would assume he had a suit on underneath.
It is all personal opinions and culture though. :)

The point was that opinions by nature cannot be wrong if they exist, and obvious his opinion existed. You being sarcastic isn't going to change his opinion, nor is anyone here going to change your's.

Whose opinions? Bush's or someone else's? You need to be specific with your referals.

seriously...throughout this thread even when people have insulted me ive refrained from insulting back, but you really are a cock

Gee, thanks. You lose the argument. :)

Why should we care what Cheney dressed like? It was just a fashion statement saying "we aren't like out faggy European cousins, we do what we like."
LMAO GO AMERRICAN INDIVIJUALIZM LOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111 ALL EURO-TRASH ARE CHEESE-EATING PEACE-LOVING HIPPY DOOFUSES LOLOLOL GO AMERICA FUCK YEAH!

:headbang:

obviously :rolleyes:

u guys r stupid and ignorant, ur prob french or somtin...

Whose opinions? Bush's or someone else's? You need to be specific with your referals.

The poster you quoted. You quoted him, not me. It's not my problem if you can't read back and find out where you quoted him.

But while your ignorance brought the topic up, I'll say this: no opinion can be wrong by the nature of opinions. Opinions can be off center, brought on by false information, or the can show a lack of intelligence by how they're presented...but they can't be wrong, and you can't judge a person's intellect by the stances they take on issues.

lmao..."with which I build my straw men"

Now we're in a metaphor contest for some reason I see...

If you're implying that my "points" (or men) have been made by pulling stuff out of my ass, (or grasping at straws) you're once again...disillusioned.

You don't know of the logical fallacy that is the "straw man"? Google it.

seriously...throughout this thread even when people have insulted me ive refrained from insulting back, but you really are a cock
Indeed. I thought we were having a civilized debate until he started the psuedo-flaming.

Gee, thanks. You lose the argument. :)

Perhaps, but you definately did not win it. To do so, one must make sense.

I was just curious. I can understand why someone would want everyone to wear black. I guess it all comes down to opinions. It is my belief that as long as people are decently dressed (as in not jeans and a t-shirt) and they are being respectful, the fact that their clothing is not black does not matter. I did not find the jacket to be that tacky. It was only a coat and I would assume he had a suit on underneath.
It is all personal opinions and culture though. :)
yea, different cultures, different attitudes :)

Wrong. We Canadians kicked your ass in the War of 1812. (Don't say it was a draw, yankee, we went and burned your capital, and a bunch of other cities too.)
And if it were not for the fact that we were busy fighting the French in the Naponlionic Wars, which we were busy kicking ass in, the United States of America would cease to exist, and Britian would rule the world, like it should be, with Canada at it's side! w00t!

The fact the Napoleonic wars tying up the Main forces is nothing more then a what if argument.

With the signing of the Treaty of Ghent, it basically meant that thousands of people died for nothing. Nobody won the war of 1812. The US did fail it's war aims, but it achieved the less openly stated aim of pushing the First Nations off their traditional territories. Britain could rest secure knowing that Canada was no longer in the expansion desires of the US.

The real losers were the First Nations. Their warriors had fought alongside Britain on the understanding that they would be rewarded with a country of their own, yet now that it had grown tired of the war, Britain reneged on its promise and retreated behind the meaningless phrase that the First Nations would be given “all the rights and privileges they enjoyed before the war.”

Gee, thanks. You lose the argument. :)
at least i dont think that if someone has a differing opinion to me they are inferior :)

u guys r stupid and ignorant, ur prob french or somtin...
or how about not French, British....you know, the ones who went into Iraq with you?

You don't know of the logical fallacy that is the "straw man"? Google it.

To do so would be a waste of time. I honestly don't care about the fact that you insult me over the internet. I don't need to understand the insults or to see if they make sense or not.

But while your ignorance brought the topic up, I'll say this: no opinion can be wrong by the nature of opinions. Opinions can be off center, brought on by false information, or the can show a lack of intelligence by how they're presented...but they can't be wrong, and you can't judge a person's intellect by the stances they take on issues.

Of course I can. By what other standard would I judge him if not by what he says?

"u guys r stupid and ignorant, ur prob french or somtin..."

Yup, still not the sharpest tool in the shed.

Indeed. I thought we were having a civilized debate until he started the psuedo-flaming.
yea, we were going along nicely, i quite enjoyed our discussion, on most forums it goes:

someone says something
someone disagrees
someone insults someone
flamewar

u guys r stupid and ignorant, ur prob french or somtin...
Please refrain from comments like that. They don't help. They only make you a target.

or how about not French, British....you know, the ones who went into Iraq with you?

no not rly, ur just stupid

Perhaps, but you definately did not win it. To do so, one must make sense.

Come, now, you're not doing any better.

no not rly, ur just stupid
thanks

this guys a perfect example of why the rest of the world isnt too fond of America

at least there are some Americans on this board who can have a reasonable discussion with

Of course I can. By what other standard would I judge him if not by what he says?

Perhaps test scores?

You may judge his morality and his character by what he says, but not his (or anyone's) level of intelligence. It's ignorant to do so.

Please refrain from comments like that. They don't help. They only make you a target.

HELLO r u payin attention to Nakdor or whatever his faces is comments,...

To do so would be a waste of time. I honestly don't care about the fact that you insult me over the internet. I don't need to understand the insults or to see if they make sense or not.

If you think saying your "arguments" are straw men is insulting you, then you really need to google it. No debate classes in pol-sci?

Come, now, you're not doing any better.

All a matter of opinion. Starting a poll wouldn't even solve it. Of course you see my posts as wrong and your's as right. Look at things objectively.

at least there are some Americans on this board who can have a reasonable discussion with

Bastard! You take that back! ;)

Bastard! You take that back! ;)
all americans are unreasonable fools


happy? ;) :p

Well by that logic, London was heavily bombed so they lost the Battle of Britain right?

Sure Washington was burned but we still won the war.

The US lost the Viet-Nâm war

And didn't exactly win the Gulf war (Saddam was still ruling Irak until 2003)

The US lost against British forces in Canada during the 1812 war...

at least i dont think that if someone has a differing opinion to me they are inferior :)

I think he is inferiour by how he says what he says, not on account of what he says.

But, I'll have to revise that now that he's started with "u guys r stupid and ignorant, ur prob french or somtin..."

The US lost the Viet-Nâm war

The US lost agaisnt British forces in Canada in a post-indepence war in the lat 1700s or early 1800s

both of those wars were draws, u better draw up on ur history before u make dumb comments

All a matter of opinion. Starting a poll wouldn't even solve it. Of course you see my posts as wrong and your's as right. Look at things objectively.

You aren't, why should I?

both of those wars were draws, u better draw up on ur history before u make dumb comments

No, international concensus in history books is that the US lost those.