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Okay, imagine a utopian future where conception is entirely optional (Unobtrusive cheap birth control with a 101% sucess rate) and STDs have been eradicated. Now, sex can be had without any physical consequences (Note, there would still be emotional consequences.) The question is, should it?

I'd imagine that kids would have sex at lower a age and it will become more of a social thing

Sure why not.

If it's safe, then sure.

YES

i thnk that the current level of birth control + the cure rate of STDs (minus Hiv) have been much more positive than negative. to have complete control over conception would free all men and women from unwanted pregnancy (im supposing that in order to conceive that both people would have to "consent") and increase the enjoyment of sex.

Oh lord. It's there breathing in front of your face.

God is dead, at best. Doesn't give a shit about your puny existence (so nihilistic of me! I'm sophomoric!)

Oh lord. It's there breathing in front of your face.

God is dead, at best. Doesn't give a shit about your puny existence (so nihilistic of me! I'm sophomoric!)
We're all fans of Nietzsche here, but I don't think this has much to do with the topic...

Sorry. Thought this topic begged for a lil' Neitzche. :rolleyes:

Needed it, in fact.

We arn't hearing from any of the four people who voted for only after mairrage.

Also: We have some rather horny people on these forums this late.

Okay, imagine a utopian future where conception is entirely optional (Unobtrusive cheap birth control with a 101% sucess rate) and STDs have been eradicated. Now, sex can be had without any physical consequences (Note, there would still be emotional consequences.) The question is, should it?
101% sucess rate! Damn, my wife and I conceived our first while she was on the pill and our second while using condoms.
If you ever use your genitals in any way, demons will reach up from hell and eat your soul. My personal favourite! Someone with a sense of humour, I love it! My wife laughed uncontrollably for a couple of minutes.

I have counselled MANY young girls who had sex between 13 and 17 that thought they were ready for the emotional side of sex but discovered too late that they weren't. For some they can ignore the emotional side since they really don't "feel" much. The majority of people though must waddle through the emotional side which is why it is best to wait for a solid relationship.

For once I'm in the middle of the range.

I don't believe in waiting until marriage, and I don't believe in jumping in bed for sport.

The poll option summed my view up beautifully.

We have some rather horny people on these forums this late.
Welcome to the Internet.

101% sucess rate! Damn, my wife and I conceived our first while she was on the pill and our second while using condoms.
If you ever use your genitals in any way, demons will reach up from hell and eat your soul. My personal favourite! Someone with a sense of humour, I love it! My wife laughed uncontrollably for a couple of minutes.

Personally, I find that 1 and 4 are BOTH true.

The demon(ess) makes it a threesome, ne?

I'd imagine that kids would have sex at lower a age and it will become more of a social thing
What about between kids and adult? How do you think future society would look at that?

There are consequences to any action, whether physical, emotional or spiritual.

There is no such thing as no-consequences sex.

Someone once commented that sex without emotional involvement is like mastubration, only messier.

Can't wait to see who'll be the first to vote for that demon thing :D

The demon(ess) makes it a threesome, ne?
Ummm, funny but NO!
Can't wait to see who'll be the first to vote for that demon thingOh yeah forgot that part!
:p :D ;)

There are consequences to any action, whether physical, emotional or spiritual.

There is no such thing as no-consequences sex.

(Note, there would still be emotional consequences.)

Already mentioned in the first post.

Can't wait to see who'll be the first to vote for that demon thing :D
My money's on New Anthrus (if he comes on)

Yes. Though I personally wouldn’t just jump into bed, I think everybody has a right to and I’m not about to condemn them. I’ve never really thought of promiscuity as immoral. If all STD’s were eradicated, then great. There'd still be consequences ofcourse, just like everything. Just not unwanted pregnancies and horrible diseases.

Let the lovefest begin!

"Consequence Free Sex?"

No such thing.

"Consequence Free Sex?"

No such thing.
*Plutonian citizens booing and jeering, throwing balls of exposed plutonium*

*Plutonian citizens booing and jeering, throwing balls of exposed plutonium*

Better an unpleasant truth than an attractive lie. :)

"Consequence Free Sex?"

He just means no unwanted pregnancies and STD’s etc. The usual ‘consequences’ people associate with sex. Nothing is completely consequence free though, as you said.

Better an unpleasant truth than an attractive lie. :)
That's true :)

I would rather have empty sex than fuck my hand any day of the week . So would any other honest person. The only complication is the profeciency of the partner. So lets jstu assume that since its so casual jstu about every 1 is proficient and all teh old Taboos about it die out. that means ugly people get laid too :sniper: :mp5:

I would rather have empty sex than fuck my hand any day of the week . So would any other honest person. The only complication is the profeciency of the partner. So lets jstu assume that since its so casual jstu about every 1 is proficient and all teh old Taboos about it die out. that means ugly people get laid too :sniper: :mp5:No, you don't speak for me.

yeah, "Eat your soul" always get's a laugh.

No, you don't speak for me.
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I’d say the same, but deep down I know it isn't true...

"Consequence Free Sex?"

No such thing.

I agree with this one. Sex is great, but that's because of the emotional and mental consequences. That's also why it is so horrible outside of marriage. The connections made are enough to keep me abstinent until marriage.

I agree with this one. Sex is great, but that's because of the emotional and mental consequences. That's also why it is so horrible outside of marriage. The connections made are enough to keep me abstinent until marriage.

I don’t see why it has to be until marriage though. Once you’re in a loving and committed relationship, I don’t see why you should have to wait until you’re married to have sex. But that's just a general observation, no offence intended. It is entirely up to individuals to decide when they are ready.

I don’t see why it has to be until marriage though. Once you’re in a loving and committed relationship, I don’t see why you should have to wait until you’re married to have sex. But that's just a general observation, no offence intended. It is entirely up to individuals to decide when they are ready.

Ths consequences are so great that it should be left to a permanent relationship, not just a loving one. I am so firmly committed to making my (still in the undetermined future) marriage work, that I willing to date/court a girl for a couple of years to make sure that we can live together with each other for the rest of our lives. After all, it takes a special girl to stand me for that long! :D

Already mentioned in the first post.
Yes; I'm saying I don't believe in fiction.

Consequences free sex?

I'm *up* for that.

Love is not= sex.

I think everyone can agree with this.

So I think the better question is, what are the consequences of love-free sex?

Been said before, no such thing as no consequences. But I have no problem with casual sex provided both parties realize that's what it is. And both parties are mature enough to handle it emotionally. When I was a teen I over estimated my ability to handle things emotionally. I think a lot of younger teens will find out later they did too.

I agree with this one. Sex is great, but that's because of the emotional and mental consequences. That's also why it is so horrible outside of marriage. The connections made are enough to keep me abstinent until marriage.
Why do you talk about the consequences if you never experienced them? I dont want a blind man to tell me the colour red is horrible if viewed outside a set of circumstance that he believes is right. You have every right to believe such things, but please abstain from using absolutes, especially when referring to things a) you did not experience and b) are subjective in nature.
I know that i enjoy having sex more when combined with love, but i can walk away from a one night stand and feel good as well, because both parties involved had a nice time and we both agreed to that.

Okay, imagine a utopian future where conception is entirely optional (Unobtrusive cheap birth control with a 101% sucess rate) and STDs have been eradicated. Now, sex can be had without any physical consequences (Note, there would still be emotional consequences.) The question is, should it?
I like this because it implies that in 1% of cases it prevents someone else from concieving as well...




...hey, how'd I end up back in my nerd pants?

I think another effect of such a society would be that people might more often explore other sides of their sexuality. A lot of people today go around with attractions to one or both genders without admitting it, even to themselves.

You have to decide for yourself whether or not you want sex to be purely romantic or recreational. For me, it's naturally the latter, as, while I have feelings, I don't let them deprive me of the pleasures of life, or full enjoyment of it, nor do I let my feelings rule me.

On the flip side, something like this (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/050111/344/fa31j.html) could be your fate...

Muahahahaha! No more virginity!

Just imagine a world with no sexual limits. A world of consentual boffing at the drop of a hat. No guilt. No pain. Just pleasure. Imagine the possibilities. Every sexual fantasy fulfilled without any fear of reprisal. A bath house for the ages. Sounds better then alcohol to me.

Love ya,
Malkalel :fluffle:

Just imagine a world with no sexual limits. A world of consentual boffing at the drop of a hat. No guilt. No pain. Just pleasure. Imagine the possibilities. Every sexual fantasy fulfilled without any fear of reprisal. A bath house for the ages. Sounds better then alcohol to me.
Welcome to the Plutonian Empire! :D

EDIT: No, seriously! That's how I plan my Empire to be in RL.

Until after marriage
Only because if i cant have it no one can
MWahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

On the flip side, something like this (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/050111/344/fa31j.html) could be your fate...
Dammit, I almost curled into a fetal position from reading that. :eek:

I HUNGER for more replies! My urges must be sated!

Hmmm ...I'd assume Sex would lose some of it's "greatness" if it could be done with no consequnces...

Like fat free ice cream...

But then again... it's sex...

Ths consequences are so great that it should be left to a permanent relationship, not just a loving one. I am so firmly committed to making my (still in the undetermined future) marriage work, that I willing to date/court a girl for a couple of years to make sure that we can live together with each other for the rest of our lives. After all, it takes a special girl to stand me for that long! :D

"consequence free" sex would greatly enhance your marital sex too. no more worry about conceiving a child you arent ready for. no nagging doubt that your wife decided to get pregnant when she knew you werent in favor of it. just either sex for pleasure or sex for procreation (which really should include pleasure)

as a woman, that fear of getting pregnant has ruined more than one good time.

101% sucess rate! Damn, my wife and I conceived our first while she was on the pill and our second while using condoms.
If you ever use your genitals in any way, demons will reach up from hell and eat your soul. My personal favourite! Someone with a sense of humour, I love it! My wife laughed uncontrollably for a couple of minutes.

I have counselled MANY young girls who had sex between 13 and 17 that thought they were ready for the emotional side of sex but discovered too late that they weren't. For some they can ignore the emotional side since they really don't "feel" much. The majority of people though must waddle through the emotional side which is why it is best to wait for a solid relationship.


Remember that one must take the pill and take the condom out of the package to be totally effective...

I could vote for any of the four options up there realistically - the first because I am al for freedom, the second because that's how I would live, the third because I once believed that (my beliefs on sex used to be pretty consistent with New Anthrus, mainly because of STDs...) and the fourth because I enjoy being a looney.

What I am surprised at is that even those who are uber-hardcore about no sex before marriage don't cram down our throats that the only reason for sex is procreation. I almost think it's impied, but where are the people quoting the Bibe yapping about how any sex that doesn't conceive a child (within a marriage, of course, preferably within racial and reigious boundaries, though people are varied in their opinions on this) is a sin and God will strike them down while laughing heartily, assuming that laughing isn't a sin also.

I think option #4 scared them off.

Where can I suscribe?

Sorry, only through a time machine.

Okay, so what if we were able to engage in sex without the whole "Emotional damage" thing. Should we? Would this be a better alternative?

Why do you talk about the consequences if you never experienced them? I dont want a blind man to tell me the colour red is horrible if viewed outside a set of circumstance that he believes is right. You have every right to believe such things, but please abstain from using absolutes, especially when referring to things a) you did not experience and b) are subjective in nature.
I know that i enjoy having sex more when combined with love, but i can walk away from a one night stand and feel good as well, because both parties involved had a nice time and we both agreed to that.

I can talk about the consequences because I can get information from others, just like I can judge murder without ever experiancing it myself. A person does not need to experiance everything in order to judge it objectively.

bizzump

Sorry, only through a time machine.

Okay, so what if we were able to engage in sex without the whole "Emotional damage" thing. Should we? Would this be a better alternative?

That would be great. Even in the context of relationships.

The last relationship I was in was really, really great on so many levels but it ended because the person I was involved expected that sex should mean something deep and emotional to me, and got really hurt that it didn't. Long conversations have meaning. Spending time has meaning. Even hugs at the right moment can have meaning. But while sex feels really great and is loads of fun, it has zero emotional meaning to me. Never has, never will.

That would be great. Even in the context of relationships.

The last relationship I was in was really, really great on so many levels but it ended because the person I was involved expected that sex should mean something deep and emotional to me, and got really hurt that it didn't. Long conversations have meaning. Spending time has meaning. Even hugs at the right moment can have meaning. But while sex feels really great and is loads of fun, it has zero emotional meaning to me. Never has, never will.

This sounds a bit simplistic, but some can handle casual sex and some can't. The unfortunate thing about this is that many never know into which category they fall until after they've had sex. Then for those who can't handle it, it's already too late. [ play with that for awhile! ] :D

This sounds a bit simplistic, but some can handle casual sex and some can't. The unfortunate thing about this is that many never know into which category they fall until after they've had sex. Then for those who can't handle it, it's already too late. [ play with that for awhile! ] :DGood rule to make your first time with someone you love. Then you can try to imagine sex without the emotional side, and just all the physical feelings.

Then decide whether casual sex is for you. If it is, there's nothing to stop you! If it isn't, you haven't wasted a (potentially) amazingly special experience with some stranger you don't care about.

On the flip side, something like this (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/050111/344/fa31j.html) could be your fate...
At least it wasnt put in a blender.

Remember that one must take the pill and take the condom out of the package to be totally effective...

Even more important is to put the package in the condom.

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Pervert. :D

Pervert.
I plead guilty.

This sounds a bit simplistic, but some can handle casual sex and some can't. The unfortunate thing about this is that many never know into which category they fall until after they've had sex. Then for those who can't handle it, it's already too late. [ play with that for awhile! ] :D
Those who can enjoy their sex casual and need or experience no great emotional benefit/deficit from it beyond pleasure will continue to do so.

Those who belatedly discover they need it to have a deeper emotional context will then seek that context before they engage in sex again. Will there be those who are permanently damaged by the experience? Probably, but these are the same individuals who would be easily damaged by something else anyway. They are emotionally brittle and therefore fragile.

At least it wasnt put in a blender.
Or a la Bobbit, thrown at a STOP sign.

Those who can enjoy their sex casual and need or experience no great emotional benefit/deficit from it beyond pleasure will continue to do so.

Those who belatedly discover they need it to have a deeper emotional context will then seek that context before they engage in sex again. Will there be those who are permanently damaged by the experience? Probably, but these are the same individuals who would be easily damaged by something else anyway. They are emotionally brittle and therefore fragile.Doesn't have to happen that way! Some people wait until they can have sex that does mean something to them, and then they decide after that if they want casual sex.

I plead guilty.
Don't worry, I was just joking when I said that ;)

Okay, imagine a utopian future where conception is entirely optional (Unobtrusive cheap birth control with a 101% sucess rate) and STDs have been eradicated. Now, sex can be had without any physical consequences (Note, there would still be emotional consequences.) The question is, should it?
HELL. YES.

HELL. YES.
So, you single? :D

So, you single? :D

Indeed. And illegal. :D

Indeed. And illegal. :D
I don't mind... :D

Seriously! :D

I don't mind... :D

Seriously! :D
:eek:
I could have fun with this one.

:eek:
I could have fun with this one.
Eh? How?

i have a rule. i wont sleep with someone that i would never date. rules beenbroken a few times, but, hell , who is perfect?

Eh? How?
I'd tell you but I think I'd break some sort of posting rule here. *shines halo*

I'd tell you but I think I'd break some sort of posting rule here. *shines halo*
You can always Telegram my nation ;) :D

I think sex is fine, I think it's better in a relationship though. I voted for the demons though, because it made me laugh.

And I finally reveal my own position! (as if you couldn't just check who voted on the poll. Also as if you care.)
To me, Sex is primarily an act of love. Sure, it's pleasurable, but it becomes more so when a person feels something for their partner. To have sex outside of a loving relationship seems to me like eating a TV dinner compared to eating at a nice french restaurant. It's still eating, but every TV dinner you eat takes just a little bit of flavor out of that fine, fine meal. And while there's nothing wrong with eating TV dinners, it just feels like cheapening something.

Don't worry, I was just joking when I said that
I wasn't.

@Jenn Jenn
Check your TG ;)

And I finally reveal my own position! (as if you couldn't just check who voted on the poll. Also as if you care.)
To me, Sex is primarily an act of love. Sure, it's pleasurable, but it becomes more so when a person feels something for their partner. To have sex outside of a loving relationship seems to me like eating a TV dinner compared to eating at a nice french restaurant. It's still eating, but every TV dinner you eat takes just a little bit of flavor out of that fine, fine meal. And while there's nothing wrong with eating TV dinners, it just feels like cheapening something. *Gives cookie*

Exactly what I think! Except put so much more elegantly!

And I'd rather my first meal be at a french restaurant rather than a TV dinner :)

I get that alot.
*Eats cookie*

And I'd rather my first meal be at a french restaurant rather than a TV dinner :)

but arent most of your meals already at home in front of your family? is this striking any one else as awkward? :p

but arent most of your meals already at home in front of your family? is this striking any one else as awkward? :p :D Lol

Well I am glad to see I am not the only nutcase to vote for: If you ever use your genitals in any way, demons will reach up from hell and eat your soul.

I think sex is fine, I think it's better in a relationship though. I voted for the demons though, because it made me laugh.
I couldn't agree more! My sex life got only better after I got married; of course kids tend to kill that but it is still better when you get it!