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Who's Marilyn Manson?

That weird-looking chick who sings those songs.

I'm not. But I'm sure, though, that there are millions who are offended by a cross-dresser who's a member of the Church of Satan. I mean, some of these people find two guys holding hands to be grotesque, so you can imagine what they think of Marilyn Manson.

That weird-looking chick who sings those songs.

You know he's a guy, right?

I think he stopped being shocking awhile ago. Don't get me wrong I still like alot of his music, but it hardly has the same kind of impact anymore. I guess that was kind of the point, huh?

You know he's a guy, right?
Yeah, I actually own most of his albums (except smells like children) and have seen him live.

Even if I wasn't a Christian, I'd be offended by that hideous, repulsive animal who pretends it's a human.

I used to be.

But then I realized he is just not worth fretting over.

Even if I wasn't a Christian, I'd be offended by that hideous, repulsive animal who pretends it's a human.
That's a rather strong reaction.

Well, the question might need to be reworded.

Do I think he is a pervert? Yes.
Will I say so if asked? Yes.
Will I whine and fuss and make a big deal of it? No.
Will I listen to his music? No.

and hes not a member of the church of satan either, he actually a methodist and attends church on occasion. has anyone ever heard of a stage persona and stereotyping?

Not really, I was always aware that he was shocking simply to be shocking. Why feed the frenzy?

Meanwhile, those I have talked to who have met him say that he is one of the most polite people they have ever met.

and hes not a member of the church of satan either, he actually a methodist and attends church on occasion. has anyone ever heard of a stage persona and stereotyping?
Umm...no
He is a self proclaimed member of the Church of Satan. Apparently he spoke with LaVey, who was impressed and invited him to join the church.

See also: Interview (http://albinoblacksheep.com/video/manson.php)
He seems pretty well spoken and understanding for an anti-christ.

Even if I wasn't a Christian, I'd be offended by that hideous, repulsive animal who pretends it's a human. hehehe, now theres a real christian viewpoint!!! insult, degrade and dehumanize those you dont like. seriously, what would jesus do? dude was all about forgiveness and love, not calling people names and being offended by crap.

iF so, they're doing more drugz than he is!

I love Marilyn's old work, but his last few albums have been formulaeic disasters.
They shouldn't offend anyone, meaning they're completely ineffectual. :p

hehehe, now theres a real christian viewpoint!!! insult, degrade and dehumanize those you dont like. seriously, what would jesus do? dude was all about forgiveness and love, not calling people names and being offended by crap.

I don't hate MM, I just think he- or rather it- is disgusting.

iF so, they're doing more drugz than he is!

I love Marilyn's old work, but his last few albums have been formulaeic disasters.
They shouldn't offend anyone, menaing they're completely ineffectual. :p
Yeah, everybody loves Anti-Christ Superstar, but this latest one is very bleh. Kind of a shame, its always fun to see people get so twisted over something like Manson.

Meanwhile, those I have talked to who have met him say that he is one of the most polite people they have ever met.

Yeah, I think a few people have that contrast.

I don't hate MM, I just think he- or rather it- is disgusting.
Judge not, lest ye be judged :confused: :confused: :confused:

not calling people names

jesus called the pharisees a brood of vipers

Judge not, lest ye be judged :confused: :confused: :confused:

Ever seen a picture of him, or heard any of his 'music?' :eek:

See also: Interview (http://albinoblacksheep.com/video/manson.php)
He seems pretty well spoken and understanding for an anti-christ.

Yeah, his "anti-christ" evidently means something different to the christian "anti-christ" (satan?), but he probably knows that, and wants to shock the american religious right while saying something more subtle to his fans.

Ever seen a picture of him, or heard any of his 'music?' :eek:

I have. No big deal.

I have. No big deal.

You mean you actually saw a picture of that freak and weren't grossed out? He's the ugliest thing I've ever seen.

You mean you actually saw a picture of that freak and weren't grossed out? He's the ugliest thing I've ever seen.
Puts on a good show.

Ever seen a picture of him, or heard any of his 'music?' :eek:
Yes, plenty on both fronts. I'm not disgusted by him, and according to Jesus you should love and not judge him.

I have. No big deal.
Bullshit. His rock persona is genious because it was just bound to happen.

Ugly guys: Don't throw stones.

You mean you actually saw a picture of that freak and weren't grossed out? He's the ugliest thing I've ever seen.

I own an album actually. As for grossed out, no. He does attire himself to look pretty weird, but hardly "grossing out".

Looking weird is just the in thing these days.

judge not lest ye be judged

this expression is quite often taken out of context. What was being said is that you will be judged by the same standards you judge others by. Seeing as (at least I hope) no one here has an extra breast and wears hideous makeup, I think they're fairly safe on that account.

Of course, if they have other disgusting personal habits then they will be judged on that.

im not a christian, but he offends me...his music is really shit

Yeah, his "anti-christ" evidently means something different to the christian "anti-christ" (satan?), but he probably knows that, and wants to shock the american religious right while saying something more subtle to his fans.

He obviously wants to shock whoever he can shock, not just the mythical "American religious right".

I used to not listen to his music on account of how he looked, until I realized the music he was pumping out was decent. I'm not a big fan of his, and I really don't "get" what he's trying to say (unless it's just White Zombie-esque jibberish to get a reaction, in which case it can't be understood), but I like some of his songs.

And, by the way, I'm conservative and a Christian.

So suck it.

And, by the way, I'm conservative and a Christian.

So suck it.
I've never heard a finer christian sentiment expressed.

He obviously wants to shock whoever he can shock, not just the mythical "American religious right".

I used to not listen to his music on account of how he looked, until I realized the music he was pumping out was decent. I'm not a big fan of his, and I really don't "get" what he's trying to say (unless it's just White Zombie-esque jibberish to get a reaction, in which case it can't be understood), but I like some of his songs.

And, by the way, I'm conservative and a Christian.

So suck it.
Yeah it is pretty difficult to "get" alot of the music. I've heard him give a few explanations, and heard a few more given by other people. Its all pretty esoteric if you ask me.

this expression is quite often taken out of context. What was being said is that you will be judged by the same standards you judge others by. Seeing as (at least I hope) no one here has an extra breast and wears hideous makeup, I think they're fairly safe on that account.

Of course, if they have other disgusting personal habits then they will be judged on that.
I was about to post (based on your first sentence) a thank you for your first.
But then I read the rest.

It's so full of the Hollywood rumor machine that I think you may actually know what he wore to the last awards ceremony.

I used to not listen to his music on account of how he looked, until I realized the music he was pumping out was decent.

Yeah, the music is ok. It is highly derivative of Trent Reznor, and not nearly as good, but I can deal with some of it.

I said what I said because it gets me angry when people - especially on here - assume all Christians are uptight assholes incapable of living in today's society. Of course, that might be because there are a lot of Europeans on NationStates, and religion is on the decline on that continent.

He obviously wants to shock whoever he can shock, not just the mythical "American religious right".

I'm quite impressed that mythical people managed to stage real protests against him.


And, by the way, I'm conservative and a Christian.

So suck it.

I should suck you off because you are a conservative and a christian? I think both conservativism and christianity are against that sort of thing. I wouldnt want to anyway, since I'm not gay.

Yeah, the music is ok. It is highly derivative of Trent Reznor, and not nearly as good, but I can deal with some of it.
Are you on a roll?

I couldn't have stated it better.

Yeah, the music is ok. It is highly derivative of Trent Reznor, and not nearly as good, but I can deal with some of it.
NIN is god. You can't honestly expect MM to stand up to that.

Yeah, the music is ok. It is highly derivative of Trent Reznor, and not nearly as good, but I can deal with some of it.
Well Reznor did produce the entire anti christ in his personal studio. Also NIN are quite awesome, and I'm definately more of a fan of Trent.

I always enjoyed his version of the song Sweet Dreams. He unfortunately hasn't put anything decent out for quite some time. I don't think he's offending anybody these days; out of sight out of mind.

I always enjoyed his version of the song Sweet Dreams. He unfortunately hasn't put anything decent out for quite some time. I don't think he's offending anybody these days; out of sight out of mind.

Actually, I believe he recently put out a cover of "Personal Jesus" that is quite good.

I said what I said because it gets me angry when people - especially on here - assume all Christians are uptight assholes incapable of living in today's society. Of course, that might be because there are a lot of Europeans on NationStates, and religion is on the decline on that continent.

Too true. It's high time that Europeans understood that American attitudes are evolving and that American Christians are too savy and sophisticated a group to get up in arms over every attention seeker in clown makeup. That attention and censure is now reserved for targets that truly deserve it. Like Spongebob Squarepants.

Actually, I believe he recently put out a cover of "Personal Jesus" that is quite good.

He did. It's on his "best of" album.

Actually, I believe he recently put out a cover of "Personal Jesus" that is quite good.
Haha oh yeah, for the movie Saved. Which was awesome btw.

It's high time that Europeans understood that American attitudes are evolving and that American Christians are too savy and sophisticated a group to get up in arms over every attention seeker in clown makeup.
Bullshit. Christians do hate drag queens.

Stop lying.

Actually, I believe he recently put out a cover of "Personal Jesus" that is quite good.
I shall look into that. I'm not a huge fan of his, but I am a fan of a well-done cover.

I shall look into that. I'm not a huge fan of his, but I am a fan of a well-done cover.
Great cover. Best thing to come from MM in, well... forever.

i dont know all that about that MM guy.

sounds cool tho.

i dont know all that about that MM guy.

sounds cool tho.
http://www.marilynmanson.com/

I'm currently listening to Marilyn Manson, I just happened to come on here and see this thread. Huzzah!

I'm of the opinion that he's an extremely talented songwriter and producer, and an unbelievable showman. From what I've seen, he's also a nice guy. He's also really intelligent, and knows how to make a lot of money, and stir up discussion.

I think it's great that there are still people who bite when he's looking to create some controversy. Like when he talks about destroying christianity, heehee. It's an honourable goal :D

This talk kind of reminds me of how people used to say Ozzy Osbourne was satanic, just because he was shocking. Ironically, lots of his songs are promoting peace and love.

This talk kind of reminds me of how people used to say Ozzy Osbourne was satanic, just because he was shocking. Ironically, lots of his songs are promoting peace and love.
And crazy trains too, apparently :D

Whoa... I totally read that as, "Are christians still offended by Marilyn Monroe.

Alright, I think it's time I stopped staring at my computer screen.

I'd be offended by him if I weren't Christian. I mean, you don't have to be white to be offended by Michael Jackson.

I'd be offended by him if I weren't Christian. I mean, you don't have to be white to be offended by Michael Jackson.

How are those two statements connected?

How are those two statements connected?
Well, the superweird don''t just offend niche groups, like those two.

Well, the superweird don''t just offend niche groups, like those two.

Well, I think the idea that the title is trying to convey is that christians are less tolerant. The "white" analogy doesn't work for that.

Are you offended simply by his weirdness, or is there more to it than just because he is different?

I'd be offended by him if I weren't Christian. I mean, you don't have to be white to be offended by Michael Jackson.

For that analogy to make a shread of sense, Michael Jackson would have to be anti-white. The guy is so pro-white he's spent years BECOMING white! Maybe you don't have to be a child to be offended by Michael Jackson would have been more apt.

Well, I think the idea that the title is trying to convey is that christians are less tolerant. The "white" analogy doesn't work for that.

Are you offended simply by his weirdness, or is there more to it than just because he is different?
First off, I don't know what the title album is. And secondly, I am not offended by how wierd he is so much as I am deeply disturbed. However, if you want to get into aa religious debate, fine. Let's leave it at the fact that I go to a firebrand minister's church in Alabama every Sunday, and I'm a bigoted, rascist, chauvanistic pig that still attends Klan meetings, admires Hitler, and finds Jerry Falwell to be a communist dangerous to America, okay?

First off, I don't know what the title album is.
I don't even know what "title album" means; I was referring to the title of the thread. The one you are posting in, and therefore, your posts relevance to it.

And secondly, I am not offended by how wierd he is so much as I am deeply disturbed.
Fair enough.

Let's leave it at the fact that I go to a firebrand minister's church in Alabama every Sunday, and I'm a bigoted, rascist, chauvanistic pig that still attends Klan meetings, admires Hitler, and finds Jerry Falwell to be a communist dangerous to America, okay?

What are you talking about? I wasn't accusing you of anything. Overreacting is one thing, but overreacting to something I haven't said is ridiculous.

Meh, he's just a more modern Alice Cooper.

Maybe a little misunderstood. It's just for show.

What are you talking about? I wasn't accusing you of anything. Overreacting is one thing, but overreacting to something I haven't said is ridiculous.
Well every other person I have had a question asked about religion happens to degenerate into a mudfest. I've had it! I'm through with the mudslingling and insults, and intend to get it off my fucking ass before it even begings. I have had it.

Note: My little tirade is not directed to you specifically. But once I say the dread "J" word, others jump in. Lots of others.

I think that Marilyn Manson tries to be like me and has no idea what the hell he's doing. :)

Well every other person I have had a question asked about religion happens to degenerate into a mudfest. I've had it! I'm through with the mudslingling and insults, and intend to get it off my fucking ass before it even begings. I have had it.

Note: My little tirade is not directed to you specifically. But once I say the dread "J" word, others jump in. Lots of others.

Nah, I'm doing well with respectful non-flamy discussion. I wouldn't want to spoil it now.

Nah, I'm doing well with respectful non-flamy discussion. I wouldn't want to spoil it now.
Good. So I'll leave. Ciao.

As a Christian. Nah.. I'm not offended by him.

He's just really weird and angry person. (Angry towards God I mean).

As a Christian. Nah.. I'm not offended by him.

He's just really weird and angry person. (Angry towards God I mean).

Perhaps. I think it's more a case of being angry at the people who expect everyone to believe in God, and consider any atheism or agnosticism to be wrong.

I'm no expert though.

Perhaps. I think it's more a case of being angry at the people who expect everyone to believe in God, and consider any atheism or agnosticism to be wrong.

I'm no expert though.

Uh Dunno. I heard from someone that he came from Christian background. And was abused or something.

However he is from Satanist church. And they are most likely atheist rather than Agnostic. So you maybe got a point there.

Actually, I believe he recently put out a cover of "Personal Jesus" that is quite good.

But, of course, not even CLOSE to the original Depeche Mode version...

But once again, comparing the follower to the messiah...

MARILYN MANSON IS THE DEVIL! :sniper: :gundge: :mp5:

MARILYN MANSON IS THE DEVIL! :sniper: :gundge: :mp5:

We thank you for your carefully thought out and intelligent response. It is nice to see that there are people who can look beyond differences and take an objective stance.

Anybody who takes Marilyn Manson and his antics as a serious threat to their way of life seriously needs to get a grip.

Indeed.

Marilyn Manson obviously really likes dressing up. Get over it.

As a Christian. Nah.. I'm not offended by him.

He's just really weird and angry person. (Angry towards God I mean).


Actually, he isn't that much against religion, if you listen carefully to his lyrics. In his song "Kill Your God" he isn't actually speaking about God, he is actually singing about how we should turn off our TV's (which, to him, seem to have replaced God). There are many religious references and allusions in his songs, but there aren't really many (or any that I know of, for that matter) that actually insult God. He is more angry with societal problems, such as drugs, TV addiction, beauty obsession, that kind of thing. I also have to agree with another post I read on this thread. He actually is an incredibly polite and respectful person. My friends mother had to walk through a street packed with goth people who were waiting for a Manson Concert. A goth man was being lifted and carried above their heads and one of his boots hit her and knocked her down. He immediately got down, helped her up and apologized profusely. afterwards, one of the goth fans came up to her and said "do you know who that was?! you just got touched by MM!"

so as you can see by my analogy, he really is a nice guy, he just likes to dress darkly. He's simply a goth rocker singing about how the world has its problems and that we should be aware of them. Thats it.

admittedly, his fans are freaky as hell. if he died on stage they would rape his corpse and eat his skin. Some of em just messed up!

Anybody who takes Marilyn Manson and his antics as a serious threat to their way of life seriously needs to get a grip.

It COULD be argued that anyone who "takes Marilyn Manson and his antics as a serious threat" has a serious grip... and needs to find something more productive to do with their hand...

admittedly, his fans are freaky as hell. if he died on stage they would rape his corpse and eat his skin. Some of em just messed up!

Hehe. I've always thought that, at the end of the night, MM goes home, takes off all the makeup, sits down with a good book and thinks, "Man, what was with those freaks in the front row?"

Lol my dad is still upset ...

Though I just started geting into his music in the last 2 years I have come to relize the genious he was starting all thoes roumors about himself in 90's and later.

The mass number of people he attracted to to see who and what he was.

You have all heard the roumers

--- removed rib for self oral

---boobjob

--- sexchange

So on and so forth ... genius

Ahh, I didn't know he was still popular. I never listened to his music, but he doesn't seem like a mean guy at all. I saw him on Conan O'brien one night and he was actualy pretty funny.

Ahh, I didn't know he was still popular. I never listened to his music, but he doesn't seem like a mean guy at all. I saw him on Conan O'brien one night and he was actualy pretty funny.
Brand new CD and everythin

I love his personal jesus remake (also love his sweet dreams remake and any of the others he has ever done)

That weird-looking chick who sings those songs.

:mad: ....not a chick....just dressed as an andro-thing in the era of Mechanical Animals....I think Christians will always be offended by him...Christians are offended by almost everything :rolleyes:

www.marilynmanson.com