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*well at least this time Bush isnt sponsoring another 911 as a way to panic Americans into supporting another one of his unjust wars


UPI is reporting the U.S. Air Force has begun flying combat aircraft into Iranian airspace in what could be viewed as an act of war. The report comes less than two weeks after investigative journalist Seymour Hersh reported that secret US forces are already on the ground locating possible sites to target.

According to UPI, the US military is hoping to lure Tehran into turning on its air defense radars which would allow US pilots to pinpoint where the radar systems are located so they could be targeted during an invasion.

UPI also reports that US Special Forces are using Iraqi Kurds near the Iranian border as well as members of the Iranian opposition group Mujahedeen-e Khalq or MEK to gather intelligence inside Iran. UPI reports the MEK are now launching incursions into Iran from Basra as well as Pakistan.

One longtime CIA operator in the region said "This looks to be turning into a pretty large-scale covert operation." UPI also reports the US has begun creating a network of front companies inside Iran in order to be able to move money, weapons and personnel around inside the country
democracynow.org/ UPI.com

*Yawn* heard it yesterday - and you've gone over your limit of one piece of cut-and-paste partisan crap per day

*Yawn* heard it yesterday - and you've gone over your limit of one piece of cut-and-paste partisan crap per day
LOL

Another fine piece of info for Shrub apologists to ignore or deride.

We're going to hit their nuclear facilities. It's just a matter of time. I, for one, think it's the right thing to do.

Just out of curiosity, have the Iranians ever done anything to us?

Rich white Americans just aren't happy unless the brown-skinned foreigners they see on television are living in rubble, are they?

We're going to hit their nuclear facilities. It's just a matter of time. I, for one, think it's the right thing to do.
as long as we go on to take out Israels while we're at it

Just out of curiosity, have the Iranians ever done anything to us?
Siezed the US embassy and held the diplomatic staff hostage until Regan's administration gave them weapons in return, backed terrorists who blew up a US marine barracks in Lebanon. I can't remember anything more at this time.

Just out of curiosity, have the Iranians ever done anything to us?
well yeah kinda--under Carter the Iranians took american hostages cause Eisenhower overthrew their Democracy in the 50s for British Petroleum and Reagan gave Iran arms to hold the hostages until he was sworn in as President so that Reagan could get the credit for freeing them

Siezed the US embassy and held the diplomatic staff hostage until Regan's administration gave them weapons in return, backed terrorists who blew up a US marine barracks in Lebanon. I can't remember anything more at this time.

I'm not too knowledgeable about my recent history, but that was quite a long time ago, wasn't it? I thought Reagan was president at some point during the '80s.

Siezed the US embassy and held the diplomatic staff hostage until Regan's administration gave them weapons in return, backed terrorists who blew up a US marine barracks in Lebanon. I can't remember any more.

They siezed the embassy after deposing the thoroughly corrupt and hated Shah of Iran, who had been installed by the USpreviously. Perhaps you don't recall the story of the Shah's solid-gold toilet, the one found after the Iranian revolution?

Guess wut Ska? You've made me ignore list!

As much as mullahs with nukes isn't a nice thought, the idea of an Iranian invasion is scary.

There would be a lot more American casualitiese with an Iranian occupation and invasion.

Rich white Americans just aren't happy unless the brown-skinned foreigners they see on television are living in rubble, are they?
I don't care what color the people living in rubble are.

as long as we go on to take out Israels while we're at it
The Israelis are our only true friends in the region.

They siezed the embassy after deposing the thoroughly corrupt and hated Shah of Iran, who had been installed by the USpreviously. Perhaps you don't recall the story of the Shah's solid-gold toilet, the one found after the Iranian revolution?
solid gold toilet? got a pic of this? :)

As much as mullahs with nukes isn't a nice thought, the idea of an Iranian invasion is scary.

There would be a lot more American casualitiese with an Iranian occupation and invasion.

...and where are they going to get the manpower to do it? Outsourcing? You'll have a draft before you know it, all naive Republican denials to the contrary.

I'm not too knowledgeable about my recent history, but that was quite a long time ago, wasn't it? I thought Reagan was president at some point during the '80s.
Yeah, but their government still promotes hatred of the USA, and I don't trust them with nuclear weapons.
1 They have attacked us in the past
2 They still remain hostile to us

Why would I want them to have nuclear weapons?

The Israelis are our only true friends in the region.
to an extent but they also try to get us to do their dirty work too--I prefer the US to be a more neutral broker to give us more credibility instead of just being a tool

They siezed the embassy after deposing the thoroughly corrupt and hated Shah of Iran, who had been installed by the USpreviously. Perhaps you don't recall the story of the Shah's solid-gold toilet, the one found after the Iranian revolution?
I know all about the Shah. Yeah, he was corrupt and his secret police were brutal. Still, Iran is an enemy. It doesn't matter how the feude came about, I don't want my enemy to have nuclear weapons.

Guess wut Ska? You've made me ignore list!
theres an iggy button here?

As much as mullahs with nukes isn't a nice thought, the idea of an Iranian invasion is scary.

There would be a lot more American casualitiese with an Iranian occupation and invasion.
We're just going to bomb the nuclear and missile sites into rubble filled craters.

solid gold toilet? got a pic of this? :)

No, I saw it on the CBC news circa 1982. Remember, the Canadian embassy spirited about a dozen US diplomats out of the country at the time of the taking of the US embassy. The hostage crisis was big news up here, as well as related stories. One of the related stories was the uncovering of the late Shah's assets, at home and abroad.

The solid-gold rococo toilet fixture was in one of the Shah's palaces, discovered after the revolution, and reported on internationally. There was film (not video) footage taken of the ostentacious potty, but I believe it (rightfully so) melted down for it's monetary value.

We're just going to bomb the nuclear and missile sites into rubble filled craters.
What are you going to do with the escaped radioactive dust?

What are you going to do with the escaped radioactive dust?
Let it drift around and settle where it wants.

No, I saw it on the CBC news circa 1982. Remember, the Canadian embassy spirited about a dozen US diplomats out of the country at the time of the taking of the US embassy. The hostage crisis was big news up here, as well as related stories. One of the related stories was the uncovering of the late Shah's assets, at home and abroad.

The solid-gold rococo toilet fixture was in one of the Shah's palaces, discovered after the revolution, and reported on internationally. There was film (not video) footage taken of the ostentacious potty, but I believe it (rightfully so) melted down for it's monetary value.
they shoulda buried the Shah in it :)

*Yawn* heard it yesterday - and you've gone over your limit of one piece of cut-and-paste partisan crap per day
Partisan? You think this should only concern Bush opponents?

Let it drift around and settle where it wants.

Sure. But that wouldn't be very good for the population of Iran would it?

The iranian government is a group of hardline, fanatical muslims. They are building nukes and will not hesistae to use them in the future. Turning most of Iran into burning rubble is a fair price to save the world from nuclear demonstration. (Another option is pre-emptive nuclear strikes. I'm in favour of either)

What are you going to do with the escaped radioactive dust?
We're talking about dense elements here. Uranium and plutonium mainly. Plus conventional bombs won't loft it too high. Most will settle around the reactor. Hell of a cleanup problem, but not our problem.

Let it drift around and settle where it wants.
Mmmh... ok. Just wondering because Israel, Arabia and Egypt are downwind. It could also make it all the way to Europe, Poland as well as France.

Of course, you may want to wait for the next season and then it would fall on Afghanistan, Pakistan and India.

Sure. But that wouldn't be very good for the population of Iran would it?
Not really my problem.

I know all about the Shah. Yeah, he was corrupt and his secret police were brutal. Still, Iran is an enemy. It doesn't matter how the feude came about, I don't want my enemy to have nuclear weapons.

But the Shah was America's bestest friend. America has always counted despots, dictatorships, and strongmen amongst their friends. Even Saddam Hussein, when it was convenient.

Why shouldn't Iran possess a nuclear deterrant to prevent you jerkwaters from invading and occupying them? They're not stupid. They should be free to protect themselves from you.

But the Shah was America's bestest friend. America has always counted despots, dictatorships, and strongmen amongst their friends. Even Saddam Hussein, when it was convenient.

Why shouldn't Iran possess a nuclear deterrant to prevent you jerkwaters from invading and occupying them? They're not stupid. They should be free to protect themselves from you.
Because we said they can't have them. That's all there is to it. I'm not going to risk the lives of my countrymen in order to ensure a fair allocation of nuclear weapons.

Sure. But that wouldn't be very good for the population of Iran would it?
Who gives a damn about the population of Iran. they will have to pay for their leaders' mistakes. If that means a lot of background radiation, so be it.

The iranian government is a group of hardline, fanatical muslims. They are building nukes and will not hesistae to use them in the future. Turning most of Iran into burning rubble is a fair price to save the world from nuclear demonstration. (Another option is pre-emptive nuclear strikes. I'm in favour of either)

I'm whole-heartedly in favour of pre-emptive nuclear strikes being made against American targets worldwide. I can't think of a better way than to prevent America turning the whole world into hills of rolling slag.

But the Shah was America's bestest friend. America has always counted despots, dictatorships, and strongmen amongst their friends. Even Saddam Hussein, when it was convenient.

Why shouldn't Iran possess a nuclear deterrant to prevent you jerkwaters from invading and occupying them? They're not stupid. They should be free to protect themselves from you.
the sad thing is the Iranian people themselves support America and hate their Islamofacist govt but Bush invading would only push them into the terrorist camp like Bush made Iraq the terrorist capital of the world.Has Bush ever heard of this novel concept called "diplomacy"?

I'm whole-heartedly in favour of pre-emptive nuclear strikes being made against American targets worldwide. I can't think of a better way than to prevent America turning the whole world into hills of rolling slag.
Nobody's crazy or stupid enough to think they can pull that off.

Because we said they can't have them. That's all there is to it. I'm not going to risk the lives of my countrymen in order to ensure a fair allocation of nuclear weapons.

You've let the genie out of the bottle, and try as you might, you'll never be able to get him back inside. Cope with it.

We're talking about dense elements here. Uranium and plutonium mainly. Plus conventional bombs won't loft it too high. Most will settle around the reactor. Hell of a cleanup problem, but not our problem.
Remember Chernobyl, made it as far as Ireland.

Remind me again why the invasion of Afghanistan if, by what you're saying, the WTC was not their problem?

the sad thing is the Iranian people themselves support America and hate their Islamofacist govt but Bush invading would only push them into the terrorist camp like Bush made Iraq the terrorist capital of the world.Has Bush ever heard of this novel concept called "diplomacy"?
Gee, European nations tried diplomacy with Iran. Where did that get them? Sometimes you have to resort to force.

But the Shah was America's bestest friend. America has always counted despots, dictatorships, and strongmen amongst their friends. Even Saddam Hussein, when it was convenient.

Why shouldn't Iran possess a nuclear deterrant to prevent you jerkwaters from invading and occupying them? They're not stupid. They should be free to protect themselves from you.
They don't get a dterrent because they're muslim hardliners. You suggest we hand out nukes to any insane group that feels threatened? I think that Iran should count itself lucky that we haven't already turned it into a a radioactive wasteland!

Nobody's crazy or stupid enough to think they can pull that off.

No, nobody's capable of it, period. So why waste truckloads of cash on missile defence shields to prevent atacks that will never come?

the sad thing is the Iranian people themselves support America and hate their Islamofacist govt but Bush invading would only push them into the terrorist camp like Bush made Iraq the terrorist capital of the world.Has Bush ever heard of this novel concept called "diplomacy"?
I wouldn't say support America. They certainly don't hate it, but it's not love either. It's true that many do hate their own regime, but in a war it's probable that nationalist sentiment would win.

I'm whole-heartedly in favour of pre-emptive nuclear strikes being made against American targets worldwide. I can't think of a better way than to prevent America turning the whole world into hills of rolling slag.
I meant nuke the iranians. What is the point of nuking America? They've kept the world safe so far and will continue to do so. America would only turn the pieces of world into radioactive slag that deserved it. Where are you from. You sound French with that anti-american tone

They don't get a dterrent because they're muslim hardliners. You suggest we hand out nukes to any insane group that feels threatened? I think that Iran should count itself lucky that we haven't already turned it into a a radioactive wasteland!

That's part of the problem - you see everything as 'hand-outs', you 'hand out' food, money, weapons...ever occur to you that people are clever things, that someone might just be capable of building their own nuke? Not off the shelf from a US arms dealer?

If you are allowed a nuclear deterrant, why shouldn't everybody? If you're allowed to abduct, torture and murder civilians, why shouldn't every nation on earth? You're not proving any moral or ethical superiority.

Remember Chernobyl, made it as far as Ireland.

Remind me again why the invasion of Afghanistan if, by what you're saying, the WTC was not their problem?
How much radioactive material made it to Ireland? Is Ireland too radioactive to inhabit? The area around Chernobyl is.

I don't understand your second question.

Rich white Americans just aren't happy unless the brown-skinned foreigners they see on television are living in rubble, are they?


Its Iran jackass. This IS the country the USA should have invaded in the first place.

They DO have have LOTs of terrorist ties, they ARE building WMD.

Personally, while I did not agree with the USA invading Iraq and was happy that canada was not involved, I would want canada to be part of a US - led invasion of IRAN...

You've let the genie out of the bottle, and try as you might, you'll never be able to get him back inside. Cope with it.
But we can slow his ass down.

No, nobody's capable of it, period. So why waste truckloads of cash on missile defence shields to prevent atacks that will never come?
You said yourself that the genie can't be put back in the bottle. Someone will be capable of hitting us someday, missile defense may help protect us.

I meant nuke the iranians. What is the point of nuking America? They've kept the world safe so far and will continue to do so. America would only turn the pieces of world into radioactive slag that deserved it. Where are you from. You sound French with that anti-american tone

Dobbs town is a fruit loop, pay no mind to him. Nuke USA targets :rolleyes:

I meant nuke the iranians. What is the point of nuking America? They've kept the world safe so far and will continue to do so. America would only turn the pieces of world into radioactive slag that deserved it. Where are you from. You sound French with that anti-american tone

That's like what was said about the early days in Las Vegas - "Nobody got killed that wasn't supposed to".

Shitty argument. Nowhere deserves to be nuked. Shame on you, I guess hiroshima and Nagasaki are things that just happened to other people, eh?

That's part of the problem - you see everything as 'hand-outs', you 'hand out' food, money, weapons...ever occur to you that people are clever things, that someone might just be capable of building their own nuke? Not off the shelf from a US arms dealer?

If you are allowed a nuclear deterrant, why shouldn't everybody? If you're allowed to abduct, torture and murder civilians, why shouldn't every nation on earth? You're not proving any moral or ethical superiority.
Might is right. I feel that we should make sure we keep hold of that right so we dictate what goes. Anyone who disagrees or tries to get some right becomes radiactive plate-glass. world order is maintained.
Where are you from? I'd like to know which nation spawned sucha bullshitter.

*well at least this time Bush isnt sponsoring another 911 as a way to panic Americans into supporting another one of his unjust wars

UPI is reporting the U.S. Air Force has begun flying combat aircraft into Iranian airspace in what could be viewed as an act of war. The report comes less than two weeks after investigative journalist Seymour Hersh reported that secret US forces are already on the ground locating possible sites to target.

According to UPI, the US military is hoping to lure Tehran into turning on its air defense radars which would allow US pilots to pinpoint where the radar systems are located so they could be targeted during an invasion.

UPI also reports that US Special Forces are using Iraqi Kurds near the Iranian border as well as members of the Iranian opposition group Mujahedeen-e Khalq or MEK to gather intelligence inside Iran. UPI reports the MEK are now launching incursions into Iran from Basra as well as Pakistan.

One longtime CIA operator in the region said "This looks to be turning into a pretty large-scale covert operation." UPI also reports the US has begun creating a network of front companies inside Iran in order to be able to move money, weapons and personnel around inside the country
democracynow.org/ UPI.com

I wouldn't trust your posts if my LIFE depended on doing so! LINKS PLEASE!

How much radioactive material made it to Ireland? Is Ireland too radioactive to inhabit? The area around Chernobyl is.

I don't understand your second question.

Just because it isn't too radioactive to inhabit, it doesn't mean that they don't have any problems. I don't have any statistics, but I would guess that the incidence of health problems have gone up.

You said yourself that the genie can't be put back in the bottle. Someone will be capable of hitting us someday, missile defense may help protect us.

...May I interest you in Robot Attack insurance? One day, the metal ones will come for you...

That's part of the problem - you see everything as 'hand-outs', you 'hand out' food, money, weapons...ever occur to you that people are clever things, that someone might just be capable of building their own nuke? Not off the shelf from a US arms dealer?

If you are allowed a nuclear deterrant, why shouldn't everybody? If you're allowed to abduct, torture and murder civilians, why shouldn't every nation on earth? You're not proving any moral or ethical superiority.
Interactions between nations cannot always be based on fairness. Sometimes a nation has to look out for it's own interests. I'd say making sure a cargo ship with an Iranian nuke doesn't detonate in the East River is a pretty pressing interest for the USA.

Please someone provide link to this info.

I meant nuke the iranians. What is the point of nuking America? They've kept the world safe so far and will continue to do so. America would only turn the pieces of world into radioactive slag that deserved it. Where are you from. You sound French with that anti-american tone
actually America is one of the biggest terrorist enabling nations in the world-but I am in no way defending the theocratic maniacs who misrule the mideast when I say this

That's like what was said about the early days in Las Vegas - "Nobody got killed that wasn't supposed to".

Shitty argument. Nowhere deserves to be nuked. Shame on you, I guess hiroshima and Nagasaki are things that just happened to other people, eh?
Better 120,000 Japanese die than 200,00 american troops. The Japanese deserved everythingh they got. You pick the wrong side in a war, you face the consequences.

Might is right. I feel that we should make sure we keep hold of that right so we dictate what goes. Anyone who disagrees or tries to get some right becomes radiactive plate-glass. world order is maintained.
Where are you from? I'd like to know which nation spawned sucha bullshitter.

Unfortunately, I'm altogether too aware of which nation spawned such a dupe as yourself. Dupe.

Just because it isn't too radioactive to inhabit, it doesn't mean that they don't have any problems. I don't have any statistics, but I would guess that the incidence of health problems have gone up.
Your guess and a dollar will buy you a lottery ticket. Let's see some statistics.

How much radioactive material made it to Ireland? Is Ireland too radioactive to inhabit? The area around Chernobyl is.

I don't understand your second question.
It caused a lot of damage in agricultural and dairy produce, caused some cancers, and such. Not enough to make it inhabitable, but enough to demand compensation.

If, according to your point of view, the US is not responsible for the damage their armed forces cause in Iran, then Afghanistan shouldn't be responsible for the damage some people living in their territory cause in the US.

Interactions between nations cannot always be based on fairness. Sometimes a nation has to look out for it's own interests. I'd say making sure a cargo ship with an Iranian nuke doesn't detonate in the East River is a pretty pressing interest for the USA.


specially when Iran directly supports terrorist groups. And while not linked to Osama directly, I would be willing to bet that a nuke that gets into the hands of a Iranian supported terrorist group could make its way to osama's hands.

...May I interest you in Robot Attack insurance? One day, the metal ones will come for you...
Actually, the USA controls almost all existing battlefield robots.

actually America is one of the biggest terrorist enabling nations in the world-but I am in no way defending the theocratic maniacs who misrule the mideast when I say this
most of the terrorists they enable WERE on our side at the time.

Better 120,000 Japanese die than 200,00 american troops. The Japanese deserved everythingh they got. You pick the wrong side in a war, you face the consequences.

How the hell! can anyone deserve to be hit by a Nuclear missile?

Unfortunately, I'm altogether too aware of which nation spawned such a dupe as yourself. Dupe.
Which nation is that then?

It caused a lot of damage in agricultural and dairy produce, caused some cancers, and such. Not enough to make it inhabitable, but enough to demand compensation.

If, according to your point of view, the US is not responsible for the damage their armed forces cause in Iran, then Afghanistan shouldn't be responsible for the damage some people living in their territory cause in the US.
It's in every nation's interest to preserve it's security. The USA is just more capable than Afghanistan in that regard. When we were attacked we fought back and won. If you can't win you had better make nice.

Your guess and a dollar will buy you a lottery ticket. Let's see some statistics.

As soon as Morgallis starts backing up his argument with statistics, I will.

How the hell! can anyone deserve to be hit by a Nuclear missile?
Our enemies deserve it. They piss of the biggest power in the world + its nuclear capable allies then they deserve to get it. You don't try and fight a nuke-filled country. that's why we have to nuke iran now before its too late

specially when Iran directly supports terrorist groups. And while not linked to Osama directly, I would be willing to bet that a nuke that gets into the hands of a Iranian supported terrorist group could make its way to osama's hands.

Iran supports Shiites. Osama thinks Shiites are infidels.

How would that work, do you think?

Dobbs town is a fruit loop, pay no mind to him. Nuke USA targets :rolleyes:
Dobbs Town is well educated on Americas bloodstained terrorist-enabling foreign policies that created all this mess in the first place

I dont understand why America believes that Iran is going to attack them with Nuclear weapons, or any weapons at all.

As soon as Morgallis starts backing up his argument with statistics, I will.
What the fuck for? Its bloody logical for those smart enough to see it.

Iran supports Shiites. Osama thinks Shiites are infidels.

How would that work, do you think?
The enemy of my enemy is my friend? Or perhaps they'll just give one to hamas and hit Israel. I don't want to see that happen either. I'd rather see an Iranian nuclear plant turned into rubble.

What the fuck for? Its bloody logical for those smart enough to see it.

Sure it is, mate. :rolleyes:

Might is right. I feel that we should make sure we keep hold of that right so we dictate what goes. Anyone who disagrees or tries to get some right becomes radiactive plate-glass. world order is maintained.
Where are you from? I'd like to know which nation spawned sucha bullshitter.
Might makes right--thats what terrorists believe

I dont understand why America believes that Iran is going to attack them with Nuclear weapons, or any weapons at all.
Why should we trust a nation that has attacked us, and maintains hostile relations with us?

I dont understand why America believes that Iran is going to attack them with Nuclear weapons, or any weapons at all.
They're building nukes and their crazy muslims who don't give a damm about their own wellbeing. thats sounds like a pretty good reason to nuke them first to me

It's in every nation's interest to preserve it's security. The USA is just more capable than Afghanistan in that regard. When we were attacked we fought back and won. If you can't win you had better make nice.
I agree. You should make nice and play by the rules until you're strong enough to enforce your own. No discussion here.

But what that really means is that there are no rules. So you might as well recognize that every nation has as much right to try to get over your heads as you have to try to stay over theirs, instead of going around trying to pass as enforcers of peace and freedom.

Our enemies deserve it. They piss of the biggest power in the world + its nuclear capable allies then they deserve to get it. You don't try and fight a nuke-filled country. that's why we have to nuke iran now before its too late

Your enemies deserve to slap you in the face. If roles were reversed and the US wasn't the most powerful nation in the world. Would you want to get Nuked by some Middle Eastern country, when you haven't even attacked them?

I agree. You should make nice and play by the rules until you're strong enough to enforce your own. No discussion here.

But what that really means is that there are no rules. So you might as well recognize that every nation has as much right to try to get over your heads as you have to try to stay over theirs, instead of going around trying to pass as enforcers of peace and freedom.
Exactly. There are no real rules among nations. It's like living in a prison. Most just want to mind their own business, but even they need to constantly watch their backs.

Might makes right--thats what terrorists believe
Well they can keep believing it when Iran and its inhabitants have faced our wrath. We can keep killing their side quicker tahn they can kill ours

specially when Iran directly supports terrorist groups. And while not linked to Osama directly, I would be willing to bet that a nuke that gets into the hands of a Iranian supported terrorist group could make its way to osama's hands.
strange how Bush was once quoated as saying Osama is not a priority for him--makes one wonder...

most of the terrorists they enable WERE on our side at the time.
True but when you lay with dogs....

Your enemies deserve to slap you in the face. If roles were reversed and the US wasn't the most powerful nation in the world. Would you want to get Nuked by some Middle Eastern country, when you haven't even attacked them?
Meh, nuked by the USA or nuked by Iran. They both would do it if they felt like it, what's the difference?

Your enemies deserve to slap you in the face. If roles were reversed and the US wasn't the most powerful nation in the world. Would you want to get Nuked by some Middle Eastern country, when you haven't even attacked them?
I wouldn't want to, but I wouldn't be stupid enough to build nukes and support terrorists. i'd play along with the most powerful people, not go against them

They're building nukes and their crazy muslims who don't give a damm about their own wellbeing. thats sounds like a pretty good reason to nuke them first to me

Just out of curiosity, what are your views on Islam in general? Are they all a bunch of lunatics in your opinion?

It's in every nation's interest to preserve it's security. The USA is just more capable than Afghanistan in that regard. When we were attacked we fought back and won. If you can't win you had better make nice.
we were never attacked by Iraq...

True but when you lay with dogs....
im not familiar with that proverb. finish it for me

Meh, nuked by the USA or nuked by Iran. They both would do it if they felt like it, what's the difference?

No Country Nukes other countries, if they "feel" like it. No leader would be heartless enough.

I wouldn't want to, but I wouldn't be stupid enough to build nukes and support terrorists. i'd play along with the most powerful people, not go against them
Exactly. If you aren't in a position to seriously challenge the guy in charge it's wise to play along with him, make deals, and be protected.

Why should we trust a nation that has attacked us, and maintains hostile relations with us?

The only reason why the US and Iran have hostile relations is because the US does not recognize the Teheran government as legitimate.

Give recognition, and this whole problem will go away, and the reformers will be empowered to pursue democratic change.

Gee, European nations tried diplomacy with Iran. Where did that get them? Sometimes you have to resort to force.

Thats all those people understand-swift, overwhelming force. Not talking-no discussions-their very way of life is based on double dealing and deception. The longer you talk, the weaker you are in their eyes.

we were never attacked by Iraq...
Yeah, and I never backed the Iraq war.

I wouldn't want to, but I wouldn't be stupid enough to build nukes and support terrorists. i'd play along with the most powerful people, not go against them

Give me some evidence that they are supporting terrorists and building Nukes. Maybe you havent considered that not every country wants to be like the US.

No Country Nukes other countries, if they "feel" like it. No leader would be heartless enough.
Then why worry if Iran has a few nuclear weapons?

im not familiar with that proverb. finish it for me
you wake up with fleas

The only reason why the US and Iran have hostile relations is because the US does not recognize the Teheran government as legitimate.

Give recognition, and this whole problem will go away, and the reformers will be empowered to pursue democratic change.
What makes you think the reformers in Iran would be treated better if the USA recognized the current regime? Legitimizing them would only make them more willing to stamp out opposition.

Just out of curiosity, what are your views on Islam in general? Are they all a bunch of lunatics in your opinion?
A lot of them are quote frankly insane, yes. some aor good and adapt and play nice with the rest of the world but many want to fly in face face of all thats acceptable. If they piss off the US and co. and threaten them rthen they deserve our retaliation. If They play fair then so do we

No Country Nukes other countries, if they "feel" like it. No leader would be heartless enough.

If there was no United States-Iran and half a dozen other countries would have nuked Israel and then each other. North Korea would have nuked South Korea. You think the leaders of these countries have hearts or a conscience? They kill and torture half of their own populations to keep the other half under control. Wake up.

Then why worry if Iran has a few nuclear weapons?

Exactly, Im against a war with Iran.

Then why worry if Iran has a few nuclear weapons?
No sane leader would be heartless enough. the Iranains are nhardcore muslim crazies who mdon't give damm. They want to get to those 72 heavenly virgins and so they don't care

Yeah, and I never backed the Iraq war.
Ok then I respect your opinion more. In all honesty tho I have mixed feelings on this. I see the value in a preemptive strike in Iran but Bush lost so much credibility with his stupid invasion of Iraq that now even when he may want to do the right thing its so much harder for America to gain support for anything-it really bodes very bad for America that he was re-elected. Hes a global pariah

Give me some evidence that they are supporting terrorists and building Nukes. Maybe you havent considered that not every country wants to be like the US.
we have photos of the enriching plants. we know the equipment they've been buying. A nation with oil reserves that big does not need nuclear power plants. The stuff is for bombs

Ok then I respect your opinion more. In all honesty tho I have mixed feelings on this. I see the value in a preemptive strike in Iran but Bush lost so much credibility with his stupid invasion of Iraq that now even when he may want to do the right thing its so much harder for America to gain support for anything-it really bodes very bad for America that he was re-elected. Hes a global pariah
No argument here.

No sane leader would be heartless enough. the Iranains are nhardcore muslim crazies who mdon't give damm. They want to get to those 72 heavenly virgins and so they don't care
They're not that crazy. Sure, Khomeini was a serious case, but he's dead now and the current batch has allowed some reforms and moderation. And besides, they're not stupid anyway and wouldn't like to be invaded by the US or nuked.

If there was no United States-Iran and half a dozen other countries would have nuked Israel and then each other. North Korea would have nuked South Korea. You think the leaders of these countries have hearts or a conscience? They kill and torture half of their own populations to keep the other half under control. Wake up.

The only Country to ever use a Nuclear WEapon against another country is the US. I dont think that just because the US exists that other countries dont use Nukes.

I meant nuke the iranians. What is the point of nuking America? They've kept the world safe so far and will continue to do so. America would only turn the pieces of world into radioactive slag that deserved it. Where are you from. You sound French with that anti-american tone
Are you real? You sound like a satire.

No argument here.
Iran should have been the priority ,not Iraq i agree. however, Iran is a bit higher in people's opinion than Iraq and the opposition to any war would have been greater

we have photos of the enriching plants. we know the equipment they've been buying. A nation with oil reserves that big does not need nuclear power plants. The stuff is for bombs

Ive never seen any photos, please enlighten me.

Please note that im not denying that they exist.

Iran supports Shiites. Osama thinks Shiites are infidels.

How would that work, do you think?


ummmm gee the enemy of my enemy is my friend, better a muslim than a american?

Iran should have been the priority ,not Iraq i agree. however, Iran is a bit higher in people's opinion than Iraq and the opposition to any war would have been greater
I would have gone after N. Korea to demonstrate that we aren't afraid of taking on a nuclear power. That would make nations think twice about getting a nuclear deterrant and thinking it enables them to act with impunity.

Oh the fun of having three consecutive posts vanish into the ether, followed by one of NS's intermittent stalls. I've missed out on a lot, by the looks of it. And all my witty retorts flushed like so much commode water...

Alas.

If there was no United States-Iran and half a dozen other countries would have nuked Israel and then each other. North Korea would have nuked South Korea. You think the leaders of these countries have hearts or a conscience? They kill and torture half of their own populations to keep the other half under control. Wake up.
Would they or would have they used the threat of nuclear attack and mutually assured destruction to control those countries, perhaps forming power blocks that would keep each other in check?

To think what could or could not happen if the US didn't exist is pure speculation, and sincerely shouldn't be part of any argument.

Are you real? You sound like a satire.
Of course im fucking real. Have you been nuked lately? NO? Thank America for holding off the Russians and Chinese in the past and most of the terrosist now. For Fucks sake I'm not even American but i can appreciate what America has done for world security. Amerrica has many problems but it has ,any strenghts too. Think about what america has done for you

Would they or would have they used the threat of nuclear attack and mutually assured destruction to control those countries, perhaps forming power blocks that would keep each other in check?

To think what could or could not happen if the US didn't exist is pure speculation, and sincerely shouldn't be part of any argument.
Who in that region would ally themselves with Israel?

I would have gone after N. Korea to demonstrate that we aren't afraid of taking on a nuclear power. That would make nations think twice about getting a nuclear deterrant and thinking it enables them to act with impunity.
Sorry i mant to say Iran +North korea. Howvere N. Korea may already have nukes which poses as problem

The only Country to ever use a Nuclear WEapon against another country is the US. I dont think that just because the US exists that other countries dont use Nukes.

You're living in a dreamword then-or France.

Sorry i mant to say Iran +North korea. Howvere N. Korea may already have nukes which poses as problem
That's exactly the reason to take them out. It makes a nuclear deterrant less attractive to nations that don't currently have one.

Who in that region would ally themselves with Israel?
I didn't say Israel would form part of one of those power blocks. Maybe Israel would be in Uganda, as was one of the plans.

That's exactly the reason to take them out. It makes a nuclear deterrant less attractive to nations that don't currently have one.
Yeah true I would just nuike anyone who starts building one as well. Sometimes some people aren't afraid of being nuked so this won't work. Kim Jong Il nad the Iranians don't care about being nuked. This is why they must be nuked now as fear wont stop them.

Of course im fucking real. Have you been nuked lately? NO? Thank America for holding off the Russians and Chinese. For Fucks sake I'm not even American but i can appreciate what America has done for world security. Amerrica has many problems but it has ,any strenghts too. Think about what america has done for you

Okay:

America - entered into free trade agreements with my country which are ignored, disputed and welched on

- tries to dictate my country's foreign and domestic policies

- bombards me daily with unwanted radio and television content

- sends 'missionaries' to 'save my soul'

- uses my country's resources to produce worthless consumerite crap

- scares the crap out of me by electing religious wingnuts with messiah complexes

- has left me feeling far less safe than on 9/12.

Mmmh... ok. Just wondering because Israel, Arabia and Egypt are downwind. It could also make it all the way to Europe, Poland as well as France.

Of course, you may want to wait for the next season and then it would fall on Afghanistan, Pakistan and India.

Jet stream goes west to east..Iran is west of everything you've mentioned. Pakistan is screwed...even then its unsure what would be kicked up should the US hit the site. If anything it wont be an attack directly on the reactors but probably on areas where the US believes the nuclear weapons are being developed. No one is stupid enough in the military to suggest hitting nuclear reactors.

Yeah true I would just nuike anyone who starts building one as well. Sometimes some people aren't afraid of being nuked so this won't work. Kim Jong Il nad the Iranians don't care about being nuked. This is why they must be nuked now as fear wont stop them.
I don't think Iran needs to be nuked. Conventional weapons can do the job of disarming them. N. Korea, however, stores many of it's military assets in hardened caves. Nuclear weapons may be necessary there.

My definitive stance is to nuke or conventionally destroy anyone who threatens the free world. This will ensure that those of us (nations)who don't piss off the US don't get dead and everyone gets on OK

Sometimes some people aren't afraid of being nuked so this won't work. Kim Jong Il nad the Iranians don't care about being nuked.

Prove it. You have some special insight on human thinking and emotional response? No?

Guess you're just blowing wind, then.

Yeah true I would just nuike anyone who starts building one as well. Sometimes some people aren't afraid of being nuked so this won't work. Kim Jong Il nad the Iranians don't care about being nuked. This is why they must be nuked now as fear wont stop them.

Whats everyones obssesion with Nukes? Ofcourse they're afraid of being nuked. Nobodies going to Nuke anyone, No-one would dare, most nations in the world, even France, would be outraged and probably go to war. Unless the US used them, then who knows what would/or could happen.

Okay:

America - entered into free trade agreements with my country which are ignored, disputed and welched on

- tries to dictate my country's foreign and domestic policies

- bombards me daily with unwanted radio and television content

- sends 'missionaries' to 'save my soul'

- uses my country's resources to produce worthless consumerite crap

- scares the crap out of me by electing religious wingnuts with messiah complexes

- has left me feeling far less safe than on 9/12.


The usa has made some HUGE mistakes but going into Iran would not be one of them, or at the very least taking out all the nuke reactors within that country...

Yeah true I would just nuike anyone who starts building one as well. Sometimes some people aren't afraid of being nuked so this won't work. Kim Jong Il nad the Iranians don't care about being nuked. This is why they must be nuked now as fear wont stop them.
while we're at the nukings, why dont the russians go ahead and nuke dc, nyc, and la at the same time and colorado springs too
man, you're a shithead...

Okay:

America - entered into free trade agreements with my country which are ignored, disputed and welched on

- tries to dictate my country's foreign and domestic policies

- bombards me daily with unwanted radio and television content

- sends 'missionaries' to 'save my soul'

- uses my country's resources to produce worthless consumerite crap

- scares the crap out of me by electing religious wingnuts with messiah complexes

- has left me feeling far less safe than on 9/12.

Where the hell are you from?

Your enemies deserve to slap you in the face. If roles were reversed and the US wasn't the most powerful nation in the world. Would you want to get Nuked by some Middle Eastern country, when you haven't even attacked them?

OMFG!!!

Quick the USA better invade Russia, China France Britain Israel North Korea India & Pakistan, They all have the Bomb and could one day use it on American Citizens you must defend yourself by Invading theses Nations and removing there Nukes.

Also for another Note, The American Air force firebombed nearly every Major City in Japan with an Average of 50% Destroyed and Killed Population of those Cities. Over 1/3 the Population of Japan was killed in theses Fire Bomb attacks on Japan yet its never mentioned.

The Nuking of those Cities was nothing more but Proof to the Japanese they had the Bomb 1st and would of been destroyed, both Cities however were also heavily firebombed before hand, all they did was nuke Rubble and burned houses.

As for an invasion of Iran, I hope you do invade Iran, Considering Iran has major ties to Russia who will most likely set in to Aid Iran during an Invasion, The US Army is heavily over stretched, The only way for the USA to conduct such wars is if Draft is brought back.

Okay:
America - entered into free trade agreements with my country which are ignored, disputed and welched on
- tries to dictate my country's foreign and domestic policies
- bombards me daily with unwanted radio and television content
- sends 'missionaries' to 'save my soul'
- uses my country's resources to produce worthless consumerite crap
- scares the crap out of me by electing religious wingnuts with messiah complexes
- has left me feeling far less safe than on 9/12.

Free trade agreements are welched on all around. So that's out.
The French are always trying to dictate US foreign policy - that's how Vietnam happened.
Slam the door on missionaries - it's fun.
Don't shop for consumerite crap - maybe they'll stop making it.
Bush doesn't think he's the Messiah.
Only the US and any direct ally such as Spain or the UK would be in danger after 9-11 - and that's not Bush's fault (we could blame Blair for going along with Bush, but that's not Bush's doing).

I thought Bush gave up flying warplanes back in the '70s. Wasn't there some news about that recently?

Okay:

America - entered into free trade agreements with my country which are ignored, disputed and welched on

- tries to dictate my country's foreign and domestic policies

- bombards me daily with unwanted radio and television content

- sends 'missionaries' to 'save my soul'

- uses my country's resources to produce worthless consumerite crap

- scares the crap out of me by electing religious wingnuts with messiah complexes

- has left me feeling far less safe than on 9/12.

-Where are you from?

-Turn off your radio or TV. No one forces your people to hear or see it. Dont like it? Ask you government to ask the U.S. to stop.

-What private citizens do is what they do..plenty of missionaries come from other countries and its not like the US invented the missionaries.

-Forgive us for making worthless consumerite crap..it seems to be popular consumerite crap though otherwise we wouldnt be making it.

-Riiiiight...because anyone who says they talk to God must be a religious wingnut right?

- :rolleyes:

Would they or would have they used the threat of nuclear attack and mutually assured destruction to control those countries, perhaps forming power blocks that would keep each other in check?

To think what could or could not happen if the US didn't exist is pure speculation, and sincerely shouldn't be part of any argument.

Your're suggesting these are cogent rational minds, not people who are raised to believe that any action against America or any one else is just. They dont contemplate mutually assured destruction-those are the thoughts of the rational, who want to live and pass on a life to their children. Emotional zealots dont "keep each other in check" -they do whatever they can against each other, trying not to attract our attention. THEY CHOP OFF PEOPLE'S HEADS ON TV. They have to wear masks when they do it. They kill women who have been percieved to disgrace the family. They kill female babies at birth. Dont for a minute think they dont incinerate themselves and each other because they took a little time to think it over and decided it wasnt such a good idea.

Whats everyones obssesion with Nukes? Ofcourse they're afraid of being nuked. Nobodies going to Nuke anyone, No-one would dare, most nations in the world, even France, would be outraged and probably go to war. Unless the US used them, then who knows what would/or could happen.


The problem is Iran or N korea may leak out a nuke to a terrorist group. And even if osama does not like either nation I would be willing to bet his gorup would purchase a nuke to strike back at the USA.

And for all the huge mistakes G W has made taking out IRAN's nuke factories would NOT be one of them...

pardon me saying so, but this is a war on terror. We americans are just taking out the terriosts. Sorry if i sound to patriotic for you liberals. I guess im not showing enough ssssssssssssssssssseeensitivity.







BUSH RULES!!!!!!
from a 13 yr old

My definitive stance is to nuke or conventionally destroy anyone who threatens the free world. This will ensure that those of us (nations)who don't piss off the US don't get dead and everyone gets on OK
yep, sure is great to be living in a free world where you HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO, ZERO, NADA FEAR OF BEING NUKED BY SHITHEADS MAN!!!!11!

Jet stream goes west to east..Iran is west of everything you've mentioned. Pakistan is screwed...even then its unsure what would be kicked up should the US hit the site. If anything it wont be an attack directly on the reactors but probably on areas where the US believes the nuclear weapons are being developed. No one is stupid enough in the military to suggest hitting nuclear reactors.
Yes. But the dust may not make it as high and far north to get caught in the jet stream. It will most likely be picked up and carried by the prevailing winds.

Yeah true I would just nuike anyone who starts building one as well. Sometimes some people aren't afraid of being nuked so this won't work. Kim Jong Il nad the Iranians don't care about being nuked. This is why they must be nuked now as fear wont stop them.

Strange i thought the USA did the same thing in the Cold War with the Russians, with a Thing called MAD.

Where the hell are you from?

What does it possibly matter where I'm from? Will knowing satisfy some internal catalogue of racial stereotypes you're constructing?

pardon me saying so, but this is a war on terror. We americans are just taking out the terriosts. Sorry if i sound to patriotic for you liberals. I guess im not showing enough ssssssssssssssssssseeensitivity.

BUSH RULES!!!!!!
from a 13 yr old
no, you're just not showing enough sense

while we're at the nukings, why dont the russians go ahead and nuke dc, nyc, and la at the same time and colorado springs too
man, you're a shithead...
What the fuck is ur problem, you fuckin hippy? Can't you see that its 'us' or 'them'? Im sayin that we should keep 'us' alive and if them tries to kill them then we kill 'them' back.

Some one is surprised about this? The US admin seems to want a third world war. They certainly take actions and words that point to it. (Bush's 2nd inaugural speech that pretty much says "I want to ram my version of democracy down everyone's throat)
Iran's nuke ambitions are worrisome, but the UN and european countries are making serious efforts to keep it in check.
Iran will change. Several news bits have been out in the past year about the young generation not taking well to the current state. They are more worldly, they are getting info from the net about what the world is and is not. So many of these dictatorship countries don't need to be beaten into submission- just given some boundries and a well educated generation will change things.
Charging in with guns blazing will only set back the progress that is quietly occuring.

pardon me saying so, but this is a war on terror. We americans are just taking out the terriosts. Sorry if i sound to patriotic for you liberals. I guess im not showing enough ssssssssssssssssssseeensitivity.







BUSH RULES!!!!!!
from a 13 yr old


keep that in mind when you turn 18 and get thrown into some iraqi war

Yes. But the dust may not make it as high and far north to get caught in the jet stream. It will most likely be picked up and carried by the prevailing winds.


Doubtful the prevailing winds will blow all the dust that far west though. Look at Chernobyl..no explosion just a meltdown..and the dust went up into the jetstream and still managed to go east.

What does it possibly matter where I'm from? Will knowing satisfy some internal catalogue of racial stereotypes you're constructing?
i really think it would

Someone please provide link establishing some sort of truth to this I cannot find any!!

yep, sure is great to be living in a free world where you HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO, ZERO, NADA FEAR OF BEING NUKED BY SHITHEADS MAN!!!!11!
Damm straight. the free world is good . shame you don't seem to be in it. Lets hope your nation doesn't try to piss of America

My definitive stance is to nuke or conventionally destroy anyone who threatens the free world. This will ensure that those of us (nations)who don't piss off the US don't get dead and everyone gets on OK
Hey! The Iraqis had the same loving relationship with Saddam.

What the fuck is ur problem, you fuckin hippy? Can't you see that its 'us' or 'them'? Im sayin that we should keep 'us' alive and if them tries to kill them then we kill 'them' back.
what the fuck is your problem?
you obviously dont understand that when it comes to nukes it's either "us and them" or "neither us nor them"

Someone please provide link establishing some sort of truth to this I cannot find any!!
whats the source of your confusion?

Damm straight. the free world is good . shame you don't seem to be in it. Lets hope your nation doesn't try to piss of America
yep, the usa is definately not in the free world

what the fuck is your problem?
you obviously dont understand that when it comes to nukes it's either "us and them" or "neither us nor them"
If they don't have nukes then they can't nuke back. Get Iran and North Korea now and we're laughing

Your're suggesting these are cogent rational minds, not people who are raised to believe that any action against America or any one else is just. They dont contemplate mutually assured destruction-those are the thoughts of the rational, who want to live and pass on a life to their children. Emotional zealots dont "keep each other in check" -they do whatever they can against each other, trying not to attract our attention. THEY CHOP OFF PEOPLE'S HEADS ON TV. They have to wear masks when they do it. They kill women who have been percieved to disgrace the family. They kill female babies at birth. Dont for a minute think they dont incinerate themselves and each other because they took a little time to think it over and decided it wasnt such a good idea.
Where did you get the killing female babies at birth thing?

yep, the usa is definately not in the free world

That’s for sure, I think it was renamed a few Years ago to the Imperial States of America?

If they don't have nukes then they can't nuke back. Get Iran and North Korea now and we're laughing
jesus approves of your wanton killing you know

-Where are you from?

-Turn off your radio or TV. No one forces your people to hear or see it. Dont like it? Ask you government to ask the U.S. to stop.

-What private citizens do is what they do..plenty of missionaries come from other countries and its not like the US invented the missionaries.

-Forgive us for making worthless consumerite crap..it seems to be popular consumerite crap though otherwise we wouldnt be making it.

-Riiiiight...because anyone who says they talk to God must be a religious wingnut right?

- :rolleyes:

Don't roll your eyes at me.

You don't have any idea of what it's like living in another country at the moment. You don't have to live with some arrogant Superpower setting your agenda for you - well, you do, but since it's your Superpower, you don't think about it all that much, right?

Maybe if you could see for yourselves just what your slide toward despotism is doing to free people the world over, rather than what gets funneled to you for consumption, you'd change your tune.

yep, the usa is definately not in the free world
WTF. The US is the biggest dog in the pen. Where is its threat of being nuked?

Your're suggesting these are cogent rational minds, not people who are raised to believe that any action against America or any one else is just. They dont contemplate mutually assured destruction-those are the thoughts of the rational, who want to live and pass on a life to their children. Emotional zealots dont "keep each other in check" -they do whatever they can against each other, trying not to attract our attention. THEY CHOP OFF PEOPLE'S HEADS ON TV. They have to wear masks when they do it. They kill women who have been percieved to disgrace the family. They kill female babies at birth. Dont for a minute think they dont incinerate themselves and each other because they took a little time to think it over and decided it wasnt such a good idea.
You're still not thinking that without the USA they may have developed differently. How different? We don't know, all we can do is speculate and that's worthless in debate. So, end of discussion.

OMFG!!!

Quick the USA better invade Russia, China France Britain Israel North Korea India & Pakistan, They all have the Bomb and could one day use it on American Citizens you must defend yourself by Invading theses Nations and removing there Nukes.

Also for another Note, The American Air force firebombed nearly every Major City in Japan with an Average of 50% Destroyed and Killed Population of those Cities. Over 1/3 the Population of Japan was killed in theses Fire Bomb attacks on Japan yet its never mentioned.

The Nuking of those Cities was nothing more but Proof to the Japanese they had the Bomb 1st and would of been destroyed, both Cities however were also heavily firebombed before hand, all they did was nuke Rubble and burned houses.

As for an invasion of Iran, I hope you do invade Iran, Considering Iran has major ties to Russia who will most likely set in to Aid Iran during an Invasion, The US Army is heavily over stretched, The only way for the USA to conduct such wars is if Draft is brought back.

Whats that got to do with my post? Firstly im not American and Second, What??

If they don't have nukes then they can't nuke back. Get Iran and North Korea now and we're laughing

Quick lets invade China as well while they still have Limited Missile abilities to match the USA. Sure there will be a few nukes throw around, but the USA will be better off then China.

Whats that got to do with my post? Firstly im not American and Second, What??

Its a combination of Multiple things Brought up in the topic that I have addressed.

pardon me saying so, but this is a war on terror. We americans are just taking out the terriosts. Sorry if i sound to patriotic for you liberals. I guess im not showing enough ssssssssssssssssssseeensitivity.







BUSH RULES!!!!!!
from a 13 yr old

Nice job-you deserve a pat on the back. Its hard to be an American in this forum. What we should do is concentrate our efforts and resources on improving our own standards, instead of trying to pull the rest of the world up.
They seem to be very happy without us.

jesus approves of your wanton killing you know
Jesus is a fuckhead and god doesn't exist. So why should I give a damm what religion says. Religion had caused more conflict than anything else, ever. If I want nto take the sensible option i can. god cant stop me

i really think it would


hes from toronto canada

Doubtful the prevailing winds will blow all the dust that far west though. Look at Chernobyl..no explosion just a meltdown..and the dust went up into the jetstream and still managed to go east.
Actually there was an explosion. They used graphite to slow down neutrons so that U235 nuclei could capture them and split, thus producing energy. When the coolant flow was stopped the graphite overheated and burned. The superheated gasses combined with the pressurized steam left in the reactor burst out. At least that's what I heard happened.

WTF. The US is the biggest dog in the pen. Where is its threat of being nuked?
shit you're stupid...
go join the military, i'm not even kidding
if we're so goddamn big, why the hell are the boys dying over in iraq for?

WTF. The US is the biggest dog in the pen. Where is its threat of being nuked?

If theres no threat of it being Nuked then why are they going to invade to prevent themsleves being Nuked?

Jesus is a fuckhead and god doesn't exist. So why should I give a damm what religion says. Religion had caused more conflict than anything else, ever. If I want nto take the sensible option i can. god cant stop me
well in that case, why the fuck do you even goddamn care about this shit
you're gonna die and be forgotten anyway and iran blowing up wont make your life any better anyway

You know what a nuclear Iran is going to do the region? Make a lot of people nervous. Israel, Saudi Arabia mostly. Israel already has nukes. Saudi Arabia has enough money to start up a program and get nukes within 10-20 years if they wanted to.

Most of the Middle East is scared of Iran and I doubt they want to see them with nukes. Forget Israel wanting to see a nuclear Iran(look what they did to Iraq back in the 80s.) A nuclear Iran leads to the potential of not a global cold war, but a regional cold war. And not even so much a cold war as a potential arms race with fundamentalist nutjobs in Iran, an unstable government in Saudi Arabia, and a trigger happy who's threating us now Israeli government...for those of you who think this is a good mixture for MAD, then you are off you're friggen rocker.

The U.S. and Russians knew and didnt want to nuke each other..counterproductive to trying to be the top dog in the world when most of your country is radioactive ash. However the suicide bomber has shown us something..fundamentalist muslism dont care. They die, they think they go to see Allah. Not even the Chritistan zealots are that stupidly insane.

I'd just like to say that Bush is a moron. His only good decision was the 'war on terror'. However he hasn't done it properly and so were in a bit of bother. The iodead was right

Where did you get the killing female babies at birth thing?

Oh- thats the "partial birth abortion" practiced by that peace and human rights loving country, China. If a baby turns out to be a girl, they can quickly remedy that with a shot of formaldehyde in the babie's fontanel.

I know all about the Shah. Yeah, he was corrupt and his secret police were brutal. Still, Iran is an enemy. It doesn't matter how the feude came about, I don't want my enemy to have nuclear weapons.

So you're not a proponent of a fair fight.

It amuses me that the only country to ever to make use of a nuclear bomb (twice) has a problem with other countries possessing them.

hes from toronto canada

Not quite accurate, Jay you tattle-tale. Why don't you fill them in on the nature of your inaccuracy while you're at it, Jay sweetie?

I'd just like to say that Bush is a moron. His only good decision was the 'war on terror'. However he hasn't done it properly and so were in a bit of bother. The iodead was right
there is no war on terror

I dont get why peops cant see that a country like iran is not a stable one and may not be able to control where it's nukes go.

What would stop some corrupt general from selling a nuke? Or "whoops we lost one to the iranian rebels" whoops..

Nice job-you deserve a pat on the back. Its hard to be an American in this forum. What we should do is concentrate our efforts and resources on improving our own standards, instead of trying to pull the rest of the world up.
They seem to be very happy without us.
Really? I have no problem being an American in this forum.

Jesus is a fuckhead and god doesn't exist. So why should I give a damm what religion says. Religion had caused more conflict than anything else, ever. If I want nto take the sensible option i can. god cant stop me

First you said god doesn't exist, then you say god can't stop you.

Which is it?

there is no war on terror

There is no "Festivals" on NS. You're only a figment of our fevered imagination! :D

The U.S. and Russians knew and didnt want to nuke each other..counterproductive to trying to be the top dog in the world when most of your country is radioactive ash. However the suicide bomber has shown us something..fundamentalist muslism dont care. They die, they think they go to see Allah. Not even the Chritistan zealots are that stupidly insane.


And we can't forget all the virgins they're supposed to get. 75? That's alot of virgins.

WTF. The US is the biggest dog in the pen. Where is its threat of being nuked?

If the USA is full of people like this I beg you to Invade China and or Russia. Oh please i beg you, China has a Larger Army then the USA, and Russia has more Nukes.... I would say the USA still has a lot of Major Threats out there. The USA or i like to call it, The Imperial States of America, can be stopped, and if the World needed to do it, it easily could do it. It is well Known Europe alone has 3 times the Army size of the USA, Chain again has even Bigger Europe can = the USA on Air force Russia in Nukes, the only major Downfall for theses Nations is Navy, but who needs it after the USA has been nuked into a glowing pile of Dust.

So you're not a proponent of a fair fight.

It amuses me that the only country to ever to make use of a nuclear bomb (twice) has a problem with other countries possessing them.
Fair fights are for the ring. In the real world you take every advantage you can get.

shit you're stupid...
go join the military, i'm not even kidding
if we're so goddamn big, why the hell are the boys dying over in iraq for?
It may be the biggest dog in the pen but its not invincible. The troops are dyin because they get shot.Just because America has the worlds most powerful army it doesn't mean that the mean are just as powerful Its a risk a soldier takes when he signs up. They died for a cause.

Oh- thats the "partial birth abortion" practiced by that peace and human rights loving country, China. If a baby turns out to be a girl, they can quickly remedy that with a shot of formaldehyde in the babie's fontanel.
that's more of a cultural thing, can't really remedy that with a law (or even a hundred)
it'll get better in a few generations i'm sure

Oh- thats the "partial birth abortion" practiced by that peace and human rights loving country, China. If a baby turns out to be a girl, they can quickly remedy that with a shot of formaldehyde in the babie's fontanel.
Oh, I thought you were talking about Iran.

Really? I have no problem being an American in this forum.

Ditto! As a matter of fact, being an American on this Forum is more fun than letting a heard of hamsters loose in Sunday morning church services! :D

Not quite accurate, Jay you tattle-tale. Why don't you fill them in on the nature of your inaccuracy while you're at it, Jay sweetie?


What are you a idiot? I recall you saying ontario...

I mean suck it up you little bitch, not many peops agree with the iraq war situtation but with iran is a different story. Iran = terrorist support.

Why cant fruits like you understand the difference?

First you said god doesn't exist, then you say god can't stop you.

Which is it?
Im saying that even IF god does exist (which i doubt) he cant stop us

If the USA is full of people like this I beg you to Invade China and or Russia. Oh please i beg you, China has a Larger Army then the USA, and Russia has more Nukes.... I would say the USA still has a lot of Major Threats out there. The USA or i like to call it, The Imperial States of America, can be stopped, and if the World needed to do it, it easily could do it. It is well Known Europe alone has 3 times the Army size of the USA, Chain again has even Bigger Europe can = the USA on Air force Russia in Nukes, the only major Downfall for theses Nations is Navy, but who needs it after the USA has been nuked into a glowing pile of Dust.

Oh I'd buy me some popcorn for that mixup. For sure.

What are you a idiot? I recall you saying ontario...

I mean suck it up you little bitch, not many peops agree with the iraq war situtation but with iran is a different story. Iran = terrorist support.

Why cant fruits like you understand the difference?

I just wanted to say how nice it's been knowing you before Myrth deates your Nation for flamming. :)

What are you a idiot? I recall you saying ontario...

I mean suck it up you little bitch, not many peops agree with the iraq war situtation but with iran is a different story. Iran = terrorist support.

Why cant fruits like you understand the difference?

Now, Jay honey, is that any way to speak to someone who's shared what we've shared together? Are you still in denial over your feelings?

China and Russia aren't threats to the USA. They are only trying to build economic power. They'd rather trade goods than trade ICBMs.

If the USA is full of people like this I beg you to Invade China and or Russia. Oh please i beg you, China has a Larger Army then the USA, and Russia has more Nukes.... I would say the USA still has a lot of Major Threats out there. The USA or i like to call it, The Imperial States of America, can be stopped, and if the World needed to do it, it easily could do it. It is well Known Europe alone has 3 times the Army size of the USA, Chain again has even Bigger Europe can = the USA on Air force Russia in Nukes, the only major Downfall for theses Nations is Navy, but who needs it after the USA has been nuked into a glowing pile of Dust.
Difference is that China's army isn't that good and the only have 40 missiles.
China doesn't hate us that much. The US is almost friends with the Russians and maost of Europe (espec ially the Freanch) are crap at fighting. The Uk supports the Us's necessary policy. The real danger now is that the rouge nations will take a pop at america
Also who'd dare fire the first shot at america?

Don't roll your eyes at me.

You don't have any idea of what it's like living in another country at the moment. You don't have to live with some arrogant Superpower setting your agenda for you - well, you do, but since it's your Superpower, you don't think about it all that much, right?

Maybe if you could see for yourselves just what your slide toward despotism is doing to free people the world over, rather than what gets funneled to you for consumption, you'd change your tune.

Despotism..right..this guy gets to serve another four years in office due to a legal election and he's a despot. Right uh huh...oooooo the scarey Bush who has to leave after eight years in office is going to get you...ooooo...give me a break. I dont have any idea what living in another country is like? My last name is de los Santos, its a South American name, one of the Island countries not Puerto Rico. Lets not make assumptions huh? I bet you couldnt find Santodomingo on a map. But that would mean I'm making an assumption..but whatever..listen..the US isnt forcing your country to do anything. If it was you'd be invaded, controlled, whatever through use of force. Countries disagree on methods all the time, but honestly now does your paranoia know no end?

You also didnt answer where you are from..

Im saying that even IF god does exist (which i doubt) he cant stop us

but according to your prez, god's on your side. why would god try to stop you? because...what you're doing is morally and ethically in total opposition to the things god wanted for humanity?

You're still not thinking that without the USA they may have developed differently. How different? We don't know, all we can do is speculate and that's worthless in debate. So, end of discussion.

Thats the type of thinking that leads to a film of Adolph Hitler and Nazis marching beneath France's Arc D'Triumph. Yeah-France and Belgium and Poland would have developed differently too. They stopped developing a thousand years ago. They are a notch or two above the stone age. The US developed more in two hundred years than the countries we are discussing have "developed" in a thousand years. Dont declare the "end of discussion" unless you truly end it with something intelligent, rather than an elitest air of contempt.

What are you a idiot? I recall you saying ontario...

I mean suck it up you little bitch, not many peops agree with the iraq war situtation but with iran is a different story. Iran = terrorist support.

Why cant fruits like you understand the difference?
Dobbs is actually a pretty good member. I don't always agree with Dobb's positions, but I'm usually entertained.

Oh good more countries to invade. Since you know, Afghanistan and Iraq are such outstanding successes. Why not? Its rare that the people arguing FOR aggressive warfare actually will have to be the ones to go off and fight it. Or that they are aware that its aggressive war - they'll tell themselves its actually defense. Standard story of every single fucking invading army in history...

What are you a idiot? I recall you saying ontario...

I mean suck it up you little bitch, not many peops agree with the iraq war situtation but with iran is a different story. Iran = terrorist support.

Why cant fruits like you understand the difference?

I would like to know how you know they support Terrorists. Because I surly wouldn't believe anything US Intel Services told me. especially after Iraq.

but according to your prez, god's on your side. why would god try to stop you? because...what you're doing is morally and ethically in total opposition to the things god wanted for humanity?
My 'prez'. You think that im:
A. American?
B. a bush supporter?
Im not american and the only thing bush has done right is the 'war on terror'

Now, Jay honey, is that any way to speak to someone who's shared what we've shared together? Are you still in denial over your feelings?


i thought u had me on ignore buddy. Since when you tend to lose arguements you go off on a weird gay tangent...

Or wait its gay baby talk then ignore right?

:rolleyes:

whatever..listen..the US isnt forcing your country to do anything. If it was you'd be invaded, controlled, whatever through use of force.

Just goes to show how the average person erroneously equates control with force of arms. America has controlled us very effectively without need of force - by economic control, and diplomatic control. And yes, we are being forced to do things. Like sign on to the laughable missile defence shield program. Nobody wants it here. You do. You control us. We sign on to the stupid useless waste-of-time-and-money-and-manpower missile defence shield program.

Thats the type of thinking that leads to a film of Adolph Hitler and Nazis marching beneath France's Arc D'Triumph. Yeah-France and Belgium and Poland would have developed differently too. They stopped developing a thousand years ago. They are a notch or two above the stone age. The US developed more in two hundred years than the countries we are discussing have "developed" in a thousand years. Dont declare the "end of discussion" unless you truly end it with something intelligent, rather than an elitest air of contempt.
Not really fair. America has many advantages that Europe doesn't. Th Uk is at laest as developed as America. You had slavery until 1856. We got rid of it in 1836. In some ways the UK could teach America something. However in essence you are correct.

I would like to know how you know they support Terrorists. Because I surly wouldn't believe anything US Intel Services told me. especially after Iraq.


well google a search on iran supporting terrorists. They support basically all the leb based terrorist groups. Pretty common knowledge.

What is fairly fruity is the link between iran's terrorists and osmas. But again the enemy of my enemy is my friend right? and money talks as well...

A nation with oil reserves that big does not need nuclear power plants. The stuff is for bombsYeah, because we all know oil's gonna last forever.

Difference is that China's army isn't that good and the only have 40 missiles.
China doesn't hate us that much. The US is almost friends with the Russians and maost of Europe (espec ially the Freanch) are crap at fighting. The Uk supports the Us's necessary policy. The real danger now is that the rouge nations will take a pop at america
Also who'd dare fire the first shot at america?

You really are asleep to World Affairs aren’t you? Its expected in the next 10 years that NATO will collapse and the EU will become a Sovereign Nation fighting with the USA for Supremacy. China hates the USA and always has and always will, Nothing will Change there.

Russia is trying to Reunite the Soviet Union as we speak to bring Stability to the World. Vladimir Putin isn't just a Pretty Face he is Pro Communist.

The USA has heavily Damaged its Position in this World, and World Relations have only Worsen since Iraq, and will continue to do so, I wouldn't Expect aid from any other Nations for an Invasion of Iran. The Backlash all over the world has been HUGE, and world Governments know this, The Russians will Aid Iran if USA invades.

Oh good more countries to invade. Since you know, Afghanistan and Iraq are such outstanding successes. Why not? Its rare that the people arguing FOR aggressive warfare actually will have to be the ones to go off and fight it. Or that they are aware that its aggressive war - they'll tell themselves its actually defense. Standard story of every single fucking invading army in history...
Who gives a damm. Might is right. US = mightiest

Dr. Twist-

The Chinese military at this point in time doesnt compare to the U.S. An invasion of China would also never really occur, and if it did, the PLA would bleed bad. Possibly bad enough that the pro-democracy movement in the country would again try holding a rally..and with little military left to stop them I wonder how long the communist government would last..numbers does not equal superority..which leads me to...

Europe, Europe can never do anything together. They cant even agree on a common foreign policy. Chirac had to tell Eastern European nations to shut up and stop supporting Bush, and the Eastern European nations still didnt listen. The European militaries themselves would be rather fragmented and disjointed, there is no united command and frankly aside from NATO they dont know how to work together unless the US is mediating all the egos of various European commanders who think they are better than their counterparts. Or do you think Europe gets along in absolute harmony? Hah..speaking of harmony..

Silence is golden. Most of Russia's nuclear arsenal would be silent. Why? Because God knows they dont have the money to keep every last ICBM at 100%. While I dont doubt they still have enough nukes to help destroy the planet one has to wonder how many delivery vehicles are still operational. See thats the thing, US nukes are still upkept and still heavily protected as if the Cold War hadnt ended.

If the USA is full of people like this I beg you to Invade China and or Russia. Oh please i beg you, China has a Larger Army then the USA, and Russia has more Nukes.... I would say the USA still has a lot of Major Threats out there. The USA or i like to call it, The Imperial States of America, can be stopped, and if the World needed to do it, it easily could do it. It is well Known Europe alone has 3 times the Army size of the USA, Chain again has even Bigger Europe can = the USA on Air force Russia in Nukes, the only major Downfall for theses Nations is Navy, but who needs it after the USA has been nuked into a glowing pile of Dust.

Most of the Russian nukes are no longer deployable or operational - their main CBM force has been sharply reduced - their sub force is mothballed - their artillery force is at an all time low, and their air force is no longer a credible international nuclear strike force.

The Chinese Army can't count on size to win. Iraq lost two divisions in a single airstrike - it's possible for the US to do this to a standard organized military. It's possible that the US could decimate the Chinese Army in a few weeks.

No, I think everyone knows who the gorilla is. Now, the gorilla should have better behavior, but honestly there's no way to stop the gorilla.

well google a search on iran supporting terrorists. They support basically all the leb based terrorist groups. Pretty common knowledge.

What is fairly fruity is the link between iran's terrorists and osmas. But again the enemy of my enemy is my friend right? and money talks as well...

Direct me to Intel that can be backed up by a Government Agency from ether, France Germany Russia or China.

Yeah, because we all know oil's gonna last forever.
Not all nuclear reactors produce plutonium. There are plenty of reactor designs, most are safer and more reliable, that could have been built. Iran chose to build a breeder reactor. What does that tell you?

i thought u had me on ignore buddy. Since when you tend to lose arguements you go off on a weird gay tangent...

Or wait its gay baby talk then ignore right?

:rolleyes:

Oh Jay, you know I hate doing the baby schtick with you...you're always so demanding.

You really are asleep to World Affairs aren’t you? Its expected in the next 10 years that NATO will collapse and the EU will become a Sovereign Nation fighting with the USA for Supremacy. China hates the USA and always has and always will, Nothing will Change there.

Russia is trying to Reunite the Soviet Union as we speak to bring Stability to the World. Vladimir Putin isn't just a Pretty Face he is Pro Communist.

The USA has heavily Damaged its Position in this World, and World Relations have only Worsen since Iraq, and will continue to do so, I wouldn't Expect aid from any other Nations for an Invasion of Iran. The Backlash all over the world has been HUGE, and world Governments know this, The Russians will Aid Iran if USA invades.
Noy when Im around. If the French think they can send Europe againsty America thay can piss off. Only the French and Germans hate America. UK, Spain amd rest of Europe = pro US
Putin is a worry but i doubt he'll bring back communism.They only support their oil interests in Iran.
China is gradually heading for reform and they need US tarde so I doubt they'll piss off uncle sam

Just goes to show how the average person erroneously equates control with force of arms. America has controlled us very effectively without need of force - by economic control, and diplomatic control. And yes, we are being forced to do things. Like sign on to the laughable missile defence shield program. Nobody wants it here. You do. You control us. We sign on to the stupid useless waste-of-time-and-money-and-manpower missile defence shield program.

If you dont like the missile shield, then petition your government to withdraw. For christ sakes dont bitch about it. You must be from Canada with an attitude like that. Its not like Canada has was ever really big on the international scene in the first place. You were pawns of the Empire before and now you're in the shadow of the U.S. Get over it. Its not going to change anytime soon.

Who gives a damm. Might is right. US = mightiest

People who have to FIGHT the wars give a damn. You, cuz all you do is sit here hoping people will die on TV so you can have something else to do besides jerking off to nazi videos, don't give a damn, and that is why your opinion doesnt mean a damn.

Dr. Twist-

The Chinese military at this point in time doesnt compare to the U.S. An invasion of China would also never really occur, and if it did, the PLA would bleed bad. Possibly bad enough that the pro-democracy movement in the country would again try holding a rally..and with little military left to stop them I wonder how long the communist government would last..numbers does not equal superority..which leads me to...

Europe, Europe can never do anything together. They cant even agree on a common foreign policy. Chirac had to tell Eastern European nations to shut up and stop supporting Bush, and the Eastern European nations still didnt listen. The European militaries themselves would be rather fragmented and disjointed, there is no united command and frankly aside from NATO they dont know how to work together unless the US is mediating all the egos of various European commanders who think they are better than their counterparts. Or do you think Europe gets along in absolute harmony? Hah..speaking of harmony..

Silence is golden. Most of Russia's nuclear arsenal would be silent. Why? Because God knows they dont have the money to keep every last ICBM at 100%. While I dont doubt they still have enough nukes to help destroy the planet one has to wonder how many delivery vehicles are still operational. See thats the thing, US nukes are still upkept and still heavily protected as if the Cold War hadnt ended.
The reason that Europe isn't a thrteat is beacuse the Uk has the only good army and only effective nuclear deterrent.

Most of the Russian nukes are no longer deployable or operational - their main CBM force has been sharply reduced - their sub force is mothballed - their artillery force is at an all time low, and their air force is no longer a credible international nuclear strike force.

The Chinese Army can't count on size to win. Iraq lost two divisions in a single airstrike - it's possible for the US to do this to a standard organized military. It's possible that the US could decimate the Chinese Army in a few weeks.

No, I think everyone knows who the gorilla is. Now, the gorilla should have better behavior, but honestly there's no way to stop the gorilla.

The USA has become very Dependant on China to help its Economy continue how it has, If it wasn't for China's Secured Currency towards the US dollar after 9/11 the Standard of living in the USA would of dropped nearly 25%.

The USA has become very Dependant on China and China on the USA, they need each other and a War between them could easily destroy both Economy’s, so would a War Between Europe and the USA. War itself is no longer the Main issue anymore, Its Economic War, once its Begins it wont stop and it will only hurt those involved.

As for Russia, i do Agree but they have Enough Nukes still Active that have the ability to Wipe out the USA. After 9/11 the Russian Government quadrupled the Spending on Offensive Nuclear weapons.

People who have to FIGHT the wars give a damn. You, cuz all you do is sit here hoping people will die on TV so you can have something else to do besides jerking off to nazi videos, don't give a damn, and that is why your opinion doesnt mean a damn.
If they sign up they take the risk. That's what an army's for. You'd rather we nhad an entire army being mainatianed for world class 'doing jack-all'

If you dont like the missile shield, then petition your government to withdraw. For christ sakes dont bitch about it. You must be from Canada with an attitude like that. Its not like Canada has was ever really big on the international scene in the first place. You were pawns of the Empire before and now you're in the shadow of the U.S. Get over it. Its not going to change anytime soon.

By 'big on the international scene' you mean wholesale slaughter, interfering with sovereign nations, setting neighbouring countries at war, encouraging arms dealers and profiting mightily over the amputated children maimed by landmines, then I guess you're quite right. We haven't. And there's nothing to get over. Why do you assume that all nations aspire to being warmongering death-merchants, anyway?

If you dont like the missile shield, then petition your government to withdraw. For christ sakes dont bitch about it. You must be from Canada with an attitude like that. Its not like Canada has was ever really big on the international scene in the first place. You were pawns of the Empire before and now you're in the shadow of the U.S. Get over it. Its not going to change anytime soon.
How come UK doesn't get missile shiled coverage?Doesn't the 'special relationship' get us that?

Not really fair. America has many advantages that Europe doesn't. Th Uk is at laest as developed as America. You had slavery until 1856. We got rid of it in 1836. In some ways the UK could teach America something. However in essence you are correct.

These are advantages America made-with a far shorter history than any other nation on earth. It comes from having heart and doing what we think is right. Slavery is certainly a dark period of American history. Its something most of us are ashamed of, even though we had absolutely nothing at all to do with it. And the UK man-handled most of the known world for a very long time. The UK taught America a lot-I dont argue there. And they continue to be a steadfast ally. I dont know if the people like the US too much, but the leaders stick with us.

The USA has become very Dependant on China to help its Economy continue how it has, If it wasn't for China's Secured Currency towards the US dollar after 9/11 the Standard of living in the USA would of dropped nearly 25%.

The USA has become very Dependant on China and China on the USA, they need each other and a War between them could easily destroy both Economy’s, so would a War Between Europe and the USA. War itself is no longer the Main issue anymore, Its Economic War, once its Begins it wont stop and it will only hurt those involved.

As for Russia, i do Agree but they have Enough Nukes still Active that have the ability to Wipe out the USA. After 9/11 the Russian Government quadrupled the Spending on Offensive Nuclear weapons.

Face it - that is complete rubbish. Before you go ignorantly claiming this nonsense, I think you check this out for the real information: www.fact-index.gov/home_page/987680/ntech/911.html (http://www.georgeidephillips.co.uk/)

If they sign up they take the risk. That's what an army's for. You'd rather we nhad an entire army being mainatianed for world class 'doing jack-all'

I'd rather have the entire army defending the US. Did you know, we don't have an infinite number of volunteers in the military? And in fact we don't have infinite troops, no matter how "mighty" you think we are. You think that all amounts to invincibility, don't you! I suppose you fought in Vietnam right, so you'd know firsthand? Or maybe you have family in the military, and you're just fine with starting an aggressive war where they could die, for no fucking reason other than "might is right?" I don't think so.

Contrary to what you and Mr Hitler thinks, invading another country is NOT a defensive measure.

Armies that don't do jack-all is a GOOD thing, because war is a BAD thing. Get it?

How come UK doesn't get missile shiled coverage?Doesn't the 'special relationship' get us that?

Oh God! Your from the UK?

Siezed the US embassy and held the diplomatic staff hostage until Regan's administration gave them weapons in return, backed terrorists who blew up a US marine barracks in Lebanon. I can't remember anything more at this time.
Not to mention continuing to defy nuclear proliferation laws and sending fighters into Iraq to resist the US Occupation...

Aside from that, they also run an oppressive, extremist, theocracy of a government.

These are advantages America made-with a far shorter history than any other nation on earth. It comes from having heart and doing what we think is right. Slavery is certainly a dark period of American history. Its something most of us are ashamed of, even though we had absolutely nothing at all to do with it. And the UK man-handled most of the known world for a very long time. The UK taught America a lot-I dont argue there. And they continue to be a steadfast ally. I dont know if the people like the US too much, but the leaders stick with us.
Most people here find the US ok. Its the bloody commies stirring up trouble. P.S when r u going to pay us for the 'boston tea party' Tea is expensive and we want to get paid

How come UK doesn't get missile shiled coverage?Doesn't the 'special relationship' get us that?

Your 'special' relationship ends with your generous contribution to the occupation forces in Iraq. That's how America operates - take, take, take - and when it's time to live up to their word, they'll bail. Or more likely, try to find new ways for you to give, give, give - with the promise of living up to their word at a later date, which will be quickly forgotten by an incoming administration. That's just how these crooks deal with everything and everyone.

That 'special' relationship and a buck buys you a coffee.

By 'big on the international scene' you mean wholesale slaughter, interfering with sovereign nations, setting neighbouring countries at war, encouraging arms dealers and profiting mightily over the amputated children maimed by landmines, then I guess you're quite right. We haven't. And there's nothing to get over. Why do you assume that all nations aspire to being warmongering death-merchants, anyway?


Oh please. Like the US has the market cornered on that..tell me how are those Canadian Indians anyway?

Most people here find the US ok. Its the bloody commies stirring up trouble. P.S when r u going to pay us for the 'boston tea party' Tea is expensive and we want to get paid

Most people here dont find the US 'ok'. What are you, a fucking BNP supporter??

I'd rather have the entire army defending the US. Did you know, we don't have an infinite number of volunteers in the military? And in fact we don't have infinite troops, no matter how "mighty" you think we are. You think that all amounts to invincibility, don't you! I suppose you fought in Vietnam right, so you'd know firsthand? Or maybe you have family in the military, and you're just fine with starting an aggressive war where they could die, for no fucking reason other than "might is right?" I don't think so.

Contrary to what you and Mr Hitler thinks, invading another country is NOT a defensive measure.

Armies that don't do jack-all is a GOOD thing, because war is a BAD thing. Get it?
So when U get nuked by rogue nations you'll think its 'good' that we didn't stop them? Might is right and that right is being used to protect the free world. Im not advocating invasion for the sake of it, its to protect the rest of the world.

Not to mention continuing to defy nuclear proliferation laws and sending fighters into Iraq to resist the US Occupation...

Aside from that, they also run an oppressive, extremist, theocracy of a government.

If I were from that part of the world, I'd be doing everything I could to repel the forces that had invaded and occupied my nation. and so would most people, especially Americans.

Oh God! Your from the UK?
Your point is?

Oh please. Like the US has the market cornered on that..tell me how are those Canadian Indians anyway?

You mean the ones who were taken from their parents as children and never returned? The ones sexually abused and forced to speak English and convert to Christianity?

Oh, those Canadian aboriginals...

the ones whose land was taken away.

Face it - that is complete rubbish. Before you go ignorantly claiming this nonsense, I think you check this out for the real information: www.fact-index.gov/home_page/987680/ntech/911.html (http://www.georgeidephillips.co.uk/)

What nonsense? The American Dollar in the last 4 years has Completely Stalled and even pulled Back giving other 1st World Nations the ability to close the Gap, in Australia Alone, The Australian Dollar went from 49 cents to the US dollar before 9/11 to 78 Cents to the US dollar for this Month Alone, we have seen the EU dollar Rise again as well, If the Chinese Currency wasn't Fixed on a US Dollar Rate the Standard of living in the USA would of dropped because of the Attacks.

Most people here find the US ok. Its the bloody commies stirring up trouble. P.S when r u going to pay us for the 'boston tea party' Tea is expensive and we want to get paid

Thats good to hear. As far a the Boston Tea Party-I think the original funds were squandered on 4th of July fireworks. We will probably re-imburse when we have collected some of the interest on the hundreds of billions of dollars we have loaned to the countries that really, really love us.

Your 'special' relationship ends with your generous contribution to the occupation forces in Iraq. That's how America operates - take, take, take - and when it's time to live up to their word, they'll bail. Or more likely, try to find new ways for you to give, give, give - with the promise of living up to their word at a later date, which will be quickly forgotten by an incoming administration. That's just how these crooks deal with everything and everyone.

That 'special' relationship and a buck buys you a coffee.
It also saved us in WW2 despite the attempts of those isolationist bastards to leave us high and dry.

If I were from that part of the world, I'd be doing everything I could to repel the forces that had invaded and occupied my nation. and so would most people, especially Americans.
Except that Iran is supposedly our ally.

EDIT Iran wasn't invaded. Duh. :rolleyes:

Your point is?

Who said I have a point? Im just expressing my displeasure.

Your point is?To quote Gollum from LoTR:
Leave now, and never come back

Most people here dont find the US 'ok'. What are you, a fucking BNP supporter??
Being anti-Us is just a fad. Ps have you forgotten their saving of our arse on many occoasions? Have you ever considered that you're just a lefty surrender monkey and that im normal?

Oh please. Like the US has the market cornered on that..tell me how are those Canadian Indians anyway?

I'm assuming you're referring to the First Nations?

What about them? We have consistently and most generously offered continuing services, support and funding for First Nations, they have self-governance, aren't taxed, and we frequently revisit land claims and fishing rights disputes.

Are things perfect here? No, but we actively improve the status quo we inherited from our forefathers.

Why?

To quote Gollum from LoTR:
Why eaxactly should i leave?

Except that Iran is supposedly our ally.

HAH! Nice talk of invading your ally, then. Sucks to be an American 'interest' these days...

HAH! Nice talk of invading your ally, then. Sucks to be an American 'interest' these days...
Iran is not a US ally. They are dangerous hardline extremists who should be pre emptively destroyed before they start launching nukes.

Being anti-Us is just a fad. Ps have you forgotten their saving of our arse on many occoasions? Have you ever considered that you're just a lefty surrender monkey and that im normal?

So you were lying when you said that most of us are ok with the US? Which times have they saved our arse? I dont know, are you referring to WW2? Maybe if the US had the common sense to join in the war, in time to save millions of deaths.

Nope, sorry. Considering that you speak for the majority of the UK, is unthinkable and just a plain horrible thought.

You mean the ones who were taken from their parents as children and never returned? The ones sexually abused and forced to speak English and convert to Christianity?

Oh, those Canadian aboriginals...

the ones whose land was taken away.

...the same First Nations people who have been reimbursed for past wrongs, who have had land claims found in their favour, who govern and police themselves, whose culture is rebouding very nicely thank you very much for noticing?