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What do you think? I got this from other thread:On the simple grounds that it is a school, and the school reserves the right to have rules that govern the behaviour and dress of the pupils.
(In Finland, where I live, we don't have school uniforms. Just wanted to hear your opinions 'bout them.)

Girls dress much too provocatively these days. There has to be a solution. I know! Let's put them all in short plaid skirts with knee high stockings and patent leather shoes.

Heh I had to wear uniform, but I'm a college student now... I wear what the hell I want.

Girls dress much too provocatively these days. There has to be a solution. I know! Let's put them all in short plaid skirts with knee high stockings and patent leather shoes.

Yes please!! :))) LOL

Yes please!! :))) LOL

And watch the rape rates soar.

They never had uniforms at my schools, but for me it wouldn't be a problem either way.

Trousers + 38C heat - aircon = ineffective learning enviroment.

And watch the rape rates soar.
It's a price society has to pay....

We didn't have school uniform at out school, though we did have restricted clothing. Essentially, anything that caused offense, or provoked violence (football team shirts, obscene t-shirts) was banned. There was a uniform, but nobody wore it unless it was an event.

And watch the rape rates soar.

whoa....I think you might want to reconsider that statement.

we had a uniform

everyone was equal, noone got the upper hand becuse they had the "latest" clothing, and it helped reduce the gaps between different groups of people because they werent all dressed differently

And watch the rape rates soar.
Nobody was raped at the catholic school I attended. It's weird how recently the schoolgirl uniform has become a fetish among some.

whoa....I think you might want to reconsider that statement.

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i had a school unifrom for all my primary school years and secondary school years... it was a bit of a pain because the uniform was really really awful, ugly as sin but at least i didn't spend a fortune on clothes then. i do now ,and i make up for all the years i spent wearing grey and red, and then blue/green with horrible navy.....

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1- you are implying that I am a rapist

2- schoolgirls have been wearing school uniforms for decades and decades in the UK and there are no mass rapes of school girls as far as I am aware

School uniforms are essential in teaching children the importance of conforming to society. We all lead double lives - the public and the private. So long as you are in public, you must try to act as though you want to be part of society. Uniforms do exactly that.

1- you are implying that I am a rapist

I know you're not a rapist-Don't take offence.

2- schoolgirls have been wearing school uniforms for decades and decades in the UK and there are no mass rapes of school girls as far as I am aware
In the UK they've seriously made uniforms boring, to put anyone off. It's why they're so plain.

How about we just let people wear what they want to wear instead of being anal retentive dickheads?

School uniforms are essential in teaching children the importance of conforming to society. We all lead double lives - the public and the private. So long as you are in public, you must try to act as though you want to be part of society. Uniforms do exactly that.

Never had problems of being part of society, even without uniform.

Ps. Interesting choice of name.

School uniforms are essential in teaching children the importance of conforming to society. We all lead double lives - the public and the private. So long as you are in public, you must try to act as though you want to be part of society. Uniforms do exactly that.
Assuming I actually care about society and conforming.

I know your not etc

I know that but others don't...and you know what this place is like with a bit of titilation

Girls dress much too provocatively these days. There has to be a solution. I know! Let's put them all in short plaid skirts with knee high stockings and patent leather shoes.
Not in Catholic schools though. Apparently patent leather shoes allow you to see up a girls skirt.

Assuming I actually care about society and conforming.

If you dont care about the society in which you live, get out and make room for someone who does.

If you dont care about the society in which you live, get out and make room for someone who does.
I assume that because Neo-Anarchists is an anarchist, she does care about society, but is not too keen on conforming.

Conforming deadens the mind.

I am glad of uniforms, I think they are nice, comfortable and make everyone on the same level. It would be a fashion show everyday at school and unbearable, I am glad for uniforms. And yes, patent leather is not allowed in many schools including mine.

I assume that because Neo-Anarchists is an anarchist, she does care about society, but is not too keen on conforming.

Conforming deadens the mind.


Indeed and I agree with her. Being of that persuasion.

However consider this....

If everyone wants to wear what they want then is that not also conforming?

And yes, patent leather is not allowed in many schools including mine.

Is it for their apparent "looking up skirts" properties?

If yes, is it a Catholic school?

we had a uniform

everyone was equal, noone got the upper hand becuse they had the "latest" clothing, and it helped reduce the gaps between different groups of people because they werent all dressed differently
See we did that by just ... understanding one and other

If everyone wants to wear what they want then is that not also conforming?
Hmm, depends I suppose. I live in Manchester and if you go into town on a Saturday say. You'll see many people conforming to some sort of social standard (nearly everyone, not just the goths and the mini-moshers).

In fact, probably the only non-conformist you will see is the busker who plays outside of Boots on Market Street.

I am glad of uniforms, I think they are nice, comfortable and make everyone on the same level. It would be a fashion show everyday at school and unbearable, I am glad for uniforms. And yes, patent leather is not allowed in many schools including mine.
Unbearable yet millions of kids love it

Indeed and I agree with her. Being of that persuasion.

However consider this....

If everyone wants to wear what they want then is that not also conforming?

It really doesnt matter because when we talk about school uniforms, we are talking about high school and grade school kids. In elementary school there may be some amount of true non-conformance, but lets face the facts here. Almost no one in high school is non-conformant. They all find a group that they like and then they all dress alike and listen to the same music. There is almost no uniqueness or non-conformity in high school.

Nothing wrong with school uniforms. I'm for it actually.

Whats so bad about conforming? In fact, teens do it everyday even without needing uniforms. Their already dressing alike outside.

It really doesnt matter because when we talk about school uniforms, we are talking about high school and grade school kids. In elementary school there may be some amount of true non-conformance, but lets face the facts here. Almost no one in high school is non-conformant. They all find a group that they like and then they all dress alike and listen to the same music. There is almost no uniqueness or non-conformity in high school.

There was when I was in High School....but then I was self professed Anarchist...not many of those in the boondocks of Missouri!!! LOL :)

It really doesnt matter because when we talk about school uniforms, we are talking about high school and grade school kids. In elementary school there may be some amount of true non-conformance, but lets face the facts here. Almost no one in high school is non-conformant. They all find a group that they like and then they all dress alike and listen to the same music. There is almost no uniqueness or non-conformity in high school.

I hung around with a group of people with which I had no common ground, little shared interest, and I neither dressed the same way nor had similar taste in music. I'd call myself a non-conformist if it wasn't a form of conformity in itself.

I'd rate myself far more in the nonplussed section.

It really doesnt matter because when we talk about school uniforms, we are talking about high school and grade school kids. In elementary school there may be some amount of true non-conformance, but lets face the facts here. Almost no one in high school is non-conformant. They all find a group that they like and then they all dress alike and listen to the same music. There is almost no uniqueness or non-conformity in high school.

You make the assumption that people in groups listen to certain music to fit in. Rather then just liking the music and hanging about with like minded people.

Ha ha, you reminded of the South Park episode when Kyle becomes a Goth.
"To be a non-conformist you must dress like us, act like us, listen to the same music as us and drink coffee."

Ours is uncomfortable and unpractical. Also very ugly. It doesn't stop bullying or teasing, people will always find stuff to pick on and people will always find ways to be 'cool' (jewellery, top buttons undone, shirts untucked etc). Its also very unflattering whereas if people could wear their own clothes they could look half decent and prevent teasing. Its also very expensive, all the various things you're supposed to have, yet is of poor quality. Aswell as it taking away individuality.

Wearing your own clothes doesn't negativly affect your learning which is what school is about. Uniform has more of a negative affect. People just complain about it, rebel against it, hold grudges against the school. And it is also seriously uncomfortable and too cold in winter but too hot in summer. You aren't allowed outdoor coats in winter and aren't allowed to take your blazer off in summer. Makes it harder to concentrate and work well.

And it's maroon. Yes, maroon. Pity me :(

I'd rate myself far more in the nonplussed section.

Bit like me, I was too lazy and uncaring (tending more to lazy though) to try and be a non-conformist or conformist.

That and I prefered to spend my money on books, CDs and the like rather then expensive clothing to 'fit in'

Whilst school uniforms may smack a little of concerning issues, it does mean that all the students at at school are rendered equal. Students able to afford labels, designer gear etc are unable to flaunt this fact around school, and therefore a cash-based hierarchy inside school is prevented. :fluffle:

Bit like me, I was too lazy and uncaring (tending more to lazy though) to try and be a non-conformist or conformist.

That and I prefered to spend my money on books, CDs and the like rather then expensive clothing to 'fit in'
same here ... we were a massive group of well everybody ... was great eventualy had most of the school hangin out with us cause they were tired of there little "clicks"

Whilst school uniforms may smack a little of concerning issues, it does mean that all the students at at school are rendered equal. Students able to afford labels, designer gear etc are unable to flaunt this fact around school, and therefore a cash-based hierarchy inside school is prevented. :fluffle:
So you want students protected from recognizing that people are different?

same here ... we were a massive group of well everybody ... was great eventualy had most of the school hangin out with us cause they were tired of there little "clicks"

Truth be told, an informal clique was formed in Sixth form. But it was informal and open to everyone, basically it involved drinking copious amounts of coffee and tea together.

Truth be told, an informal clique was formed in Sixth form. But it was informal and open to everyone, basically it involved drinking copious amounts of coffee and tea together.
Yeah that sort of thing with us too ... replace coffee and tea with Mt.Dew ya got our group :)

I was told today to remove my che and commie badges from my tie, its also "illegal" at my school to have tramlines in your hair, jewelry (because they melt them down to Reichmarks) and "outragous" hairstyles.

There is almost no uniqueness or non-conformity in high school.
Whoa, um, really?
When I was in high school, about 4/5 of the school consisted of the conformist groups, the skaters, the kindergoths, the chavs, all that great stuff. But there was a fair bit of the school that didn't conform at all. Like one girl who wore almost only clothes she made herself, to my friend Kate who was just really weird. Actually, now that I think of it, most of the nonconformists were like me and just thought "Fuck it, we'll wear whatever we want, no matter who the hell else thinks it's "cool" or "uncool". But there's still nonconformity around, as far as I know,

School uniforms are one step away from communism. Making everyone look the same. Sure didn't helped Cuba or Russia.

I only went to one school where there was any kind of uniform and that was the one enforced by the county but half of the teachers didn't enforce or choose who they enforced it with.

Err, to put it bluntly, if they implent Uniforms in schools here in Sweden, you will see me be the one that leads the demonstrations.

I will never go in a school where they don't let me wear what I want, and that is a mix between "nerdy" clothes, "punkish" clothes and "hiphop" clothes. Making everyone the same removes the little spirit of difference we have.


STOP ENFORCING THE FUCKING JANTE-LAW.

A friend of mine who used to sit on the school council regularly affronts his teachers with claims that our uniform-enforcing school is in fact "a microcosm of a fascist state" (of course, every time he's laughed off and considered eccentric). In fact, I once had a go at my chemistry teacher for him saying that attending parents evening was compulsory. Needless to say after muttering words of dissent, I was in trouble and "opressed", so to speak. But I don't care what regime the school carries out. I just want to learn in a civil environment and retain some degree of dignity.

I've had to wear a school uniform from 7th grade all the way through high school... and it was bad. Uniforms don't encourage conformity OR equality, our school was VERY racist (and catholic too), everyone and their 3rd cousin was VERY trendy, and people still got picked on for whatever reasons that were found. :headbang: I had a grand total of about 7 friends, (out of a school of 1500), and avoided all other people at all costs. In fact, i hated them. Uniforms will not change people, and assholes will still be assholes. Our uniforms were also terribly uncomfortable. We couldn't wear sweaters or anything etiher, so i had to sit outside with 2 of my friends IN SHIRTS during winter time. Why outside, because everyone in the cafeteria was a loud, ignorant piece of shit that made any half-decent person nauseous... School uniforms do nothing except for making people hate the system more, if anything...the opposite of what they're supposed to accomplish... OK, i'll stop now about how much my high school sucked, as i think i've already made my point quite clear. I'm in college now, and, there are no uniforms anymore... and i only hate about 1/3rd of the people here. Which is really good for me, overall i'm actually really enjoying myself. What i'm trying to say is that uniforms will accomplish nothing, everything utlimately depends on the people that wear them. (or don't)

I'd personally stick with uniforms but i'm not massively bothered one way or the other.

I've had to wear a school uniform from 7th grade all the way through high school... and it was bad. Uniforms don't encourage conformity OR equality, our school was VERY racist (and catholic too), everyone and their 3rd cousin was VERY trendy, and people still got picked on for whatever reasons that were found. :headbang: I had a grand total of about 7 friends, (out of a school of 1500), and avoided all other people at all costs. In fact, i hated them. Uniforms will not change people, and assholes will still be assholes. Our uniforms were also terribly uncomfortable. We couldn't wear sweaters or anything etiher, so i had to sit outside with 2 of my friends IN SHIRTS during winter time. Why outside, because everyone in the cafeteria was a loud, ignorant piece of shit that made any half-decent person nauseous... School uniforms do nothing except for making people hate the system more, if anything...the opposite of what they're supposed to accomplish... OK, i'll stop now about how much my high school sucked, as i think i've already made my point quite clear. I'm in college now, and, there are no uniforms anymore... and i only hate about 1/3rd of the people here. Which is really good for me, overall i'm actually really enjoying myself. What i'm trying to say is that uniforms will accomplish nothing, everything utlimately depends on the people that wear them. (or don't)

This really is true … people find ways to do things and be in “groups” even without cloths
One of my favorite quotes from M.A.S.H is “you treated a symptom while the disease goes merrily on”

Is it for their apparent "looking up skirts" properties?

If yes, is it a Catholic school?

No, it is not a catholic school. It is a northern Ireland school so naturally we wear uniforms like the rest of the UK.
I never really questioned why it is not allowed but that could be an option.

My daughter started Kindergarten at a catholic school this year. Next year I'm sending her to the local public school (for more important reasons other than the uniform one I'm about to rant on.)

The uniforms are NOT inexpensive, but they are cheaply made. The fabric they are made from is horrendous, both from a comfort standpoint and a quality standpoint. (I have a $4.00 khaki pants bought at an outlet mall that held up both for her and my youngest, while her $28.00 uniform pants pilled after the first wash.) There's not a natural fiber to be found in the whole selection of uniforms. I am, on a weekly basis, sewing up holes that appear in the pockets of her jumper, while her dance outfit, which gets a regular beating, hasn't needed anything more than a trip through the washer.

Someone is making a ton of money off these things, that's for sure.