NationStates Jolt Archive

I've just read the news about another atrocity committed by those great allies of the USA, the Israelis, and specifically their "defence force".

http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article3560.shtml

And for those of you that think this site is just a propaganda machine, you can think again. This story is reported elsewhere.

I just hope you all remember this story the next time suicide bombers get mentioned as being an example of your average Palestinian.

Hmmmm, let's see. The article is from something called "electronic intifada". No sign of any such story on CNN.com or MSNBC.com. I think... yeah, I think I'm going to have to call bullshit unless I see this from a news source that isn't so obviously biased.

Heaven forbid a news service be biased...

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/532454.html

Believe it or not, CNN and Fox are not the only news services. I would have included the Al Jazeera link, but that being so "anti democracy" I didn't see the point...

Stormeforge... at least bother looking at the site a little more and proving your assumption with examples of it's bias, otherwise I'm just going to ignore your point.

While I agree that Belperia has slanted the artical himself, my first responce to the article is that they are at least reporting who said what:

Palestinian sources said Israeli soldiers manning an army watchtower at the nearby colony of Kfar Darom opened machinegun fire randomly on Palestinian homes around dawn on Wednesday.

An Israeli army spokesman acknowledged the killings, saying the army was looking into the "incident". The spokesman said soldiers thought that Palestinian resistance activists were present in the neighbourhood.
I won't deny that there is probably some bais, I won't jump to conclusions yet.


Belperia: I find it hard to believe that Israelis are going out of their way to "murder" children and I don't like how this thread will quickly turn into a flame bait because you are too baised yourself.

Personally, I don't think the facts are all in on this, and I doubt they will be ever all in, at least not in most media. I don't think they are perposefully killing Palestinian children, however I really don't like that this stuff keeps happening.


Both Israelis and Palestinians are more then their sterotype: Most Arabs are not terrorists and I imagine most of them don't support terrorism, though the more which die like this, the more will see it as a better option. Meanwhile, Israelis are not child murderers and while I find their campaign against 'activist' to be questionable, I don't think that demonising them is any solution.

Heaven forbid a news service be biased...

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/532454.html

Believe it or not, CNN and Fox are not the only news services. I would have included the Al Jazeera link, but that being so "anti democracy" I didn't see the point...At least that article provided a possible reason why this happened. The first one just said, "Girl shot in head, Israelis must be monsters!" I never said bias was bad. But to get a clear view of an incident it's better to get the story from multiple sources with multiple points of view. I still don't see what the point of this. Israelis kill Palestinians, Palestinians kill Israelis. Everyone knows this.

EDIT: I did look at the site, and read the article. I would have provided the same response if someone reported a similar story from FOX News. Or the New York Times. Sorry, but I need multiple sources for me to find a story believable.

Look, what I am saying is that when Palestinian extremists kill Israelis and a child is a victim, it's suddenly Major World News! Stop the presses! They're at it again! But when a Palestinian child is killed... nothing. Nothing!

I may be considered biased, but I do not approve of the killing of children. Either by Israelis or Palestinians. And I wish the world would see the humanity of the Palestinian cause and not just the political aspect.

"Cal Yisrael"

Cal Yisrael may be A Israeli news-station but the official one, where the news always gets to first is "Galgalaz" or Israeli Army Radio.

"Imagine that a Jewish child was killed and how Israel would react. They are killing our children in cold blood," Abu Muammar, a Palestinian security official in Dair al-Balah, said."
For Security Official read Hamas Activist.

"They said about 20 officers had taken up positions at the Tufah crossing near a Jewish settlement bloc."
A whole 20 officers? WOW! :rolleyes:

"Khalid Amayreh is a journalist based in the occupied West Bank. This article was originally published by aljazeera.net and reprinted on EI with permission."

SO this is in fact an Al-Jazeera article.

Look, what I am saying is that when Palestinian extremists kill Israelis and a child is a victim, it's suddenly Major World News! Stop the presses! They're at it again! But when a Palestinian child is killed... nothing. Nothing!
NOTHING! SHOCK HORROR!


So the links you provided don't exist?

Look, what I am saying is that when Palestinian extremists kill Israelis and a child is a victim, it's suddenly Major World News! Stop the presses! They're at it again! But when a Palestinian child is killed... nothing. Nothing!

I may be considered biased, but I do not approve of the killing of children. Either by Israelis or Palestinians. And I wish the world would see the humanity of the Palestinian cause and not just the political aspect.Wasn't there a big stink when an Israeli soldier killed an apparently terrified Palestinian girl?

Hopefully the election of Abbas will help people see what exactly the Palestinians are fighting for. Arafat made it too easy to politicize the whole thing, what with the bombings and all (the subsequent War on Terror didn't help either).

In the big scheme of things no terrorist act is ever going to sway things, and when I think of political freedom fighting, I think first of Mahatma Ghandi. Frankly I'd rather see Palestine exercise some restraint, but having said that I'd also like to see Israeli settlers in the Palestinian areas do likewise. But they won't, of course, because it's not in their interests.

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

Aaawwww, self haters. How cute.

Clearly not though, eh?

In the big scheme of things no terrorist act is ever going to sway things, and when I think of political freedom fighting, I think first of Mahatma Ghandi. Frankly I'd rather see Palestine exercise some restraint, but having said that I'd also like to see Israeli settlers in the Palestinian areas do likewise. But they won't, of course, because it's not in their interests.Hey, the solution to the Israel problem! Now if only we could get them to listen...

Thats a slight problem. Their ultimate aim is to "Drive all the Jews into the sea". I have no respect for scum like that. There are normal palestinians who want to live an everyday life, but unfortunately I don't know if there's enough of them for a state.

My feelings about this....

[anti-israel rage]

http://img56.exs.cx/img56/7527/nuclear_explosion.png

[/anti-israel rage]

Right now is as good as it gets for Israel. As long as the Palestinians persist with their losing, low level, pathetic little intifada then Israel can pretty much do whatever.

Look, what I am saying is that when Palestinian extremists kill Israelis and a child is a victim, it's suddenly Major World News! Stop the presses! They're at it again! But when a Palestinian child is killed... nothing. Nothing!
I may be considered biased, but I do not approve of the killing of children. Either by Israelis or Palestinians. And I wish the world would see the humanity of the Palestinian cause and not just the political aspect.Actually, exactly the opposite is true. Everyone hears when the Israelis kill a Palestinian kid, and though everyone hears when the Palestinians intentionally blow up a school bus, most news networks apologize for them, make excuses, ask us to understand the "plight of the Palestinian people." And that is the major diffference between the Israelis and the Palestinians: the IDF accidentally kills children (very rarely though) and generally this is because Hamas is using the kids to run ammunition around knowing they'll get shot and they can score propoganda points from it; the Palestinians intentionally target innocent children and call them "seeds of the oppressors." I don't approve killing children either, especially not with the murderous lunatic joy of Al-Aksa and their ilk, and at least the Israelis (with one or two exceptions) haven't done it on purpose.

Here's even a quote from that article:
The girl's mother, Fathiya Abu Shamas, said there were no armed Palestinians in the area at the time of the incident. Israeli military sources contended that the forces had opened fire on a cell that had launched Qassam rockets. It seems to me the Israelis were defending themselves, and considering their track record, they wouldn't have intentionally killed the little girl.
Sorry about the double post.