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I was just wondering, what are all of your opinions on masturbation. Let me know, as this is still a grey area for me.

Feels good, harms no one. However, it should only be done in private. Nothing wrong with it though.

Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
When a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is good.
Every sperm is needed
in your neighborhood.


That aside, it's better than sex. 8)

I was just wondering, what are all of your opinions on masturbation. Let me know, as this is still a grey area for me.

It's sex with someone you love, and who you will stay with till the day you die.

It's safe sex; it carries practically no pregnancy risk AND it's safe in terms of contagious illnesses.

It releases endorphins into the body, which have positive healthful effects.

It reduces stress, which has a positive healthful effect.

It doesn't reduce female fertility, and sperm die all the time anyway, and are discharged in urine... so - you might as well get SOME fun out of it.

Good times...good times :p

Imaginary lovers never turn you down
When all the others turn you away, they're around
It's my private pleasure, midnight fantasy
Someone to share my wildest dreams with me
Imaginary lover, you're mine anytime
Imaginary lovers, oh yeah

When ordinary lovers don't feel what you feel
And real life situations lose their thrill
Imagination's unreal
Imaginary lover, imaginary lover
You're mine anytime

Imaginary lovers never disagree
They always care
They're always there when
You need satisfaction guaranteed
Imaginary lover, imaginary lover
You're mine all the time
My imaginary lover
You're mine anytime ATLANTA RHYTHM SECTION

Just a thought.

First off, everybody does it, and many lie about it. I see no problem with it at all.

Besides, scientific studies show that it's HEALTHY to do so (the ailment of prostate cancer comes to mind).

No probs with me, I know everyone does it.... and who does it harm?

Sure why not.... It's always more fun with a partner, a vibe and some oral sex! Yep, masterbation while in the presence of another performing sexual acts...

Great time waster.
Great tension reliever.
I can get me off faster than any guy can.
But it's still more fun with a partner. :fluffle:

eh. I believe masturbation is sexual immorality. I fight against the temptation to look at pornography, to have lustful thoughts, to check babes out, and to masturbate. I fail, but I just get back up again and fight for my purity. When you rip me for what I just said, do it nicely, I just opened up a pretty serious topic of my christian life to you.

eh. I believe masturbation is sexual immorality. I fight against the temptation to look at pornography, to have lustful thoughts, to check babes out, and to masturbate. I fail, but I just get back up again and fight for my purity. When you rip me for what I just said, do it nicely, I just opened up a pretty serious topic of my christian life to you.

So - really.. it's not the 'masturbation' you object to... it's 'lust', right?

no masturbation to, it can/does become addictive/habit forming. Again, I believe Adonia doesn't want me to live a life that is bent to when I will get my next fix. Whether I masturbate and lust or just masturbate to release the tension, it is relying on something else and is impure. Of course some smart person is going to bring up whether I believe in the use of medicine or not, because that is relying on something else as well...

eh. I believe masturbation is sexual immorality. I fight against the temptation to look at pornography, to have lustful thoughts, to check babes out, and to masturbate. I fail, but I just get back up again and fight for my purity. When you rip me for what I just said, do it nicely, I just opened up a pretty serious topic of my christian life to you.


Well said. I also try to fight the temptation but its just too hard......

eh. I believe masturbation is sexual immorality. I fight against the temptation to look at pornography, to have lustful thoughts, to check babes out, and to masturbate. I fail, but I just get back up again and fight for my purity. When you rip me for what I just said, do it nicely, I just opened up a pretty serious topic of my christian life to you.

Well, I personally believe that there's nothing wrong with masturbating--everything I've read on the topic says that it isn't unhealthy, and it's perfectly normal. However, that doesn't mean that you're not perfectly normal if you _don't_ do it. I respect you, The Doors Corporation, for attempting to stay away from what you believe is wrong, and for stating your opinion without resorting to flaming and calling us all a bunch of sinful pervert whackos who are going to hell.

(Please, no-one take the sinful pevert whacko comment seriously! :) )

eh. I believe masturbation is sexual immorality. I fight against the temptation to look at pornography, to have lustful thoughts, to check babes out, and to masturbate. I fail, but I just get back up again and fight for my purity. When you rip me for what I just said, do it nicely, I just opened up a pretty serious topic of my christian life to you.


All consensual sex is good.(Provided you do it right)
I consent= mastrubation good.

Well along with masturbation, what do you people belive about pornography, I am geussing it will be similar to the majority thought on masturbation.

Well along with masturbation, what do you people belive about pornography, I am geussing it will be similar to the majority thought on masturbation.

Well, I don't particularly want to watch other people have sex... I don't exactly think it's sinful and immoral, but I do disaprove of it.

Having said that, I can see how some people would have the urge to look at it, and am not going to condemn them for it.

And child pornography is always wrong. No joke.

It's sex with someone you love, and who you will stay with till the day you die.

It's safe sex; it carries practically no pregnancy risk AND it's safe in terms of contagious illnesses.

It releases endorphins into the body, which have positive healthful effects.

It reduces stress, which has a positive healthful effect.

It doesn't reduce female fertility, and sperm die all the time anyway, and are discharged in urine... so - you might as well get SOME fun out of it.

I dont have any issue against masturbation, but in order to balance this, I should elaborate a few things.


It can make sexual arousal far more difficult (especially with the lack of a real relationship,) and it is highly addictive. Masturbation to orgasm worsens these problems and creates the additional issues of fatigue (especially with powerful orgasm, since the more powerful the climax the longer the paralysis lasts and the more intense its effects become,) and the (slight) drain of essential minerals (in males.)

Also, there is no evidence masturbation itself reduces stress. But it does relax a great deal of the body's muscles (possibly involuntarily, which can create problems especially in those who suffer from unirary incontinence, however, some people do intentionally attempt to urinate during or after orgasm, usually females since doing so as a male takes some willpower, which can obviously have an indirect effect on stress. Also, I could guess that this relaxation may render one more limber, but I have not tested this.

Orgasm creates involuntary movement of the lower pelvic muscles which most people do not exercise regularily, although people should do so.

In males, masturbation prevents nocturnal emmisions, which actually makes it somewhat neccessary since nocturnal emmisions are *very* difficult to clean up.

If overdone, there is a chance that there may be a dulled perception of pleasure, as what happens when mentally (not to be confused with chemically) addictive drugs such as THC and Cocaine are used. Also, masturbation related deaths are particularly common in confirmed Darwin Award nominations, to the point that Darwin no longer accepts most of them.

On the subject of pornography...

If the woman is over 18, and chose of her own free will to be naked in front of a camera, then I see nothing wrong with it, as it's her body to do with what she pleases.

can't wait? masturbate!

and whoever said masturbation is only for in private is obviously not a girl.

i can do it any time anywhere and no one is the wiser. a simple squeezing of the thighs and a day dream...

On the subject of pornography...

If the woman is over 18, and chose of her own free will to be naked in front of a camera, then I see nothing wrong with it, as it's her body to do with what she pleases.

It also gives her an oppurtunity to sell her body, which can be argued to be the exact equivalent to drug dealing, and there is no real contribution to society. For those who do not believe in Consumerism or who believe Consumerism is evil, pornography will be a very logical practice to pronounce, unless the consenting subject does not accept payment.

Since masterbation is a sin in most religions - as it is wasting the "seed"...is not menstration also a sin?

Consistently and thouroughly.

good question? is menstration sexual immoral by religious standards. masturbation isn't a sin because of the waste, it is a sin because of the lust and habit/addictiveness

I dont have any issue against masturbation, but in order to balance this, I should elaborate a few things.


It can make sexual arousal far more difficult (especially with the lack of a real relationship,) and it is highly addictive. Masturbation to orgasm worsens these problems and creates the additional issues of fatigue (especially with powerful orgasm, since the more powerful the climax the longer the paralysis lasts and the more intense its effects become,) and the (slight) drain of essential minerals (in males.)

Also, there is no evidence masturbation itself reduces stress. But it does relax a great deal of the body's muscles (possibly involuntarily, which can create problems especially in those who suffer from unirary incontinence, however, some people do intentionally attempt to urinate during or after orgasm, usually females since doing so as a male takes some willpower, which can obviously have an indirect effect on stress. Also, I could guess that this relaxation may render one more limber, but I have not tested this.

Orgasm creates involuntary movement of the lower pelvic muscles which most people do not exercise regularily, although people should do so.

In males, masturbation prevents nocturnal emmisions, which actually makes it somewhat neccessary since nocturnal emmisions are *very* difficult to clean up.

If overdone, there is a chance that there may be a dulled perception of pleasure, as what happens when mentally (not to be confused with chemically) addictive drugs such as THC and Cocaine are used. Also, masturbation related deaths are particularly common in confirmed Darwin Award nominations, to the point that Darwin no longer accepts most of them.

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i really don't think you know what you're talking about. at all. i've never felt the need to pee after masturbation, masturbation does not make sexual arousal more difficult (if anything it makes it easier, the more you practise, the better you know how to do it, the better you can direct a partner to do it) it's not really addictive, and what are you talking about, there's no evidence it reduces stress?

listen: it does reduce stress, a lot of it, and masturbation and better still masturbation to orgasm are excellent if you can't sleep, want soemthing to put you out like a light, nothing short of an extended oral or intercourse session will do it better.

masturation does not dull sensation, unless you're using a vibrator with a vibration that's too strong, the rule of thumb is if it hurts, stop. otherwise you're not going to do any harm... your nerve cells will not shrivel up and die from sensation, you will not go blind, your palms won't get hairy.

and hell, it's better for a man's prostate if he gets off at least once a day.

no masturbation to, it can/does become addictive/habit forming. Again, I believe Adonia doesn't want me to live a life that is bent to when I will get my next fix. Whether I masturbate and lust or just masturbate to release the tension, it is relying on something else and is impure. Of course some smart person is going to bring up whether I believe in the use of medicine or not, because that is relying on something else as well...

How is masturbation 'impure'?

Surely, being a solitary act, it is about as pure as can be?

I would be thinking more of the teachings of the New Testament, which teach that one should avoid lust - it being better to marry than to burn.

Well, an individual can quite easily avoid walking in the flesh, by reducing the pressure... by 'marrying' in preference to 'burning'.

So - by lights of the words of Jesus and Paul - Masturbating is better than not-masturbating.

Since masterbation is a sin in most religions - as it is wasting the "seed"...is not menstration also a sin?

Which religions?

I don't recall seeing anything about it when I read the Koran, but I could have missed it.

I do know that the Bible doesn't describe it as sinful... which religion did you mean?

can't wait? masturbate!

and whoever said masturbation is only for in private is obviously not a girl.

i can do it any time anywhere and no one is the wiser. a simple squeezing of the thighs and a day dream...

Although I do not doubt this to be possible due to the blindness of most people to the environment around them, female orgasm has visible consequences and can sometimes be "smelled" by sensitive males (and more rarely, females.) In addition, some females ejaculate a substance similar to it's male counterpart (but much less viscous) from their urethra. This is usually voluntary, however. Orgasm causes (occasionally involuntary) muscle relaxation and all stages of sexual arousal has some subtle effects like enlargement of the capillaries, which can manifest in posture or complexion, in fact, if this is a total non issue, I reccomend you alter technique or strengthen the lower pelvic muscles. Some people have more unconventional involuntary responses to orgasm, plateu, or culmination, I have heard of cases where people curl into fetal position involuntary when they near orgasm.

However, even if someone did notice, it is dubious that they would bother to inform you of this.

Hm, masturbation while lusting is well..impure. You are lusting.You just said the new testament says lusting is bad.
Masturbation for release, what caused your desire for sexual release? A soft core video, walking up the stairs behind hot babes a couple times that day? Masturbation for release also means you are relying on that release to take away stress (even though I think the stress comes more from addiction/habit to it) instead of being uh.. faithful to El Shaddia and turning to him for refreshment.

It is better to marry if you can not control your sexual temptations. What would I want? An amazing preacher who has lost the trust of all others because he raped a girl, just because he wasn't married and lost control of his sexual temptations? Or a preacher who is married and struggling for sexual purity? What would you want? And I just realized that scenario makes no sense to our agenda at hand(tee hee, at hand!) but I won't delete it because I think I had some point for that idea.

Jesus and Paul would not agree that masturbating is better. and not-masturbating doesn't mean you are automatically lusting.

I dont have any issue against masturbation, but in order to balance this, I should elaborate a few things.


It can make sexual arousal far more difficult (especially with the lack of a real relationship,) and it is highly addictive. Masturbation to orgasm worsens these problems and creates the additional issues of fatigue (especially with powerful orgasm, since the more powerful the climax the longer the paralysis lasts and the more intense its effects become,) and the (slight) drain of essential minerals (in males.)

Also, there is no evidence masturbation itself reduces stress. But it does relax a great deal of the body's muscles (possibly involuntarily, which can create problems especially in those who suffer from unirary incontinence, however, some people do intentionally attempt to urinate during or after orgasm, usually females since doing so as a male takes some willpower, which can obviously have an indirect effect on stress. Also, I could guess that this relaxation may render one more limber, but I have not tested this.

Orgasm creates involuntary movement of the lower pelvic muscles which most people do not exercise regularily, although people should do so.

In males, masturbation prevents nocturnal emmisions, which actually makes it somewhat neccessary since nocturnal emmisions are *very* difficult to clean up.

If overdone, there is a chance that there may be a dulled perception of pleasure, as what happens when mentally (not to be confused with chemically) addictive drugs such as THC and Cocaine are used. Also, masturbation related deaths are particularly common in confirmed Darwin Award nominations, to the point that Darwin no longer accepts most of them.

1) I argue strongly against your first point... that it makes arousal more difficult. On the contrary, a knowledge of how your own body works and reacts... a knowledge of what makes it 'tick', is far more likely to increase sexual arousal.

2) The 'fatigue' is ridiculous. Sure, a guy who beats his meat all day will end up with cramps... but, muscle fatigue?

3) The slight drain of essential minerals? Once again, pretty much ridiculous - since the sperm are not Made-to-Order, and, those minerals are already 'used up'... also - even wthout masturbation, a man loses his older sperms through urination, on a continuous basis. Masturbate or not, that 'material' is wasted.

4) Masturbation HAS been proved to have a direct impact on stress, through the release of endorphins. Think... natural morphine.

5) I don't know where you picked up the 'incontinence' idea.. but I would really need a source to even accord this one the time to bother arguing against.

6) I have never encountered a story of anyone lacking 'perception of pleasure' due to masturbation... well, not regular masturbation... I have heard of Masochists who masturbated with cheese-graters, for example... which I am willing to believe COULD impact sensitivity.

7) Masturbation related deaths rely on such factors as dangerous driving, or auto-erotic asphyxiation. Both of which could be factors without the hand-to-genital contact.

Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
When a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is good.
Every sperm is needed
in your neighborhood.

Heh, awesome monty python song.

Well, I have never been misinterpreted quite so badly before. I did not at any point state anything untrue.

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i really don't think you know what you're talking about. at all. i've never felt the need to pee after masturbation, masturbation does not make sexual arousal more difficult (if anything it makes it easier, the more you practise, the better you know how to do it, the better you can direct a partner to do it) it's not really addictive, and what are you talking about, there's no evidence it reduces stress?.

Involuntary urination or inclement to do so will only occur in cases where incontinence is induced by muscle weakness or atrophy, or this condition has enhanced close to urinary incontinence. If this is the case, I highly recommend that one promptly begins to perform an exercise regiment with the lower pelvice muscles, although one should do so anyway since it will intensify orgasm on the long term. This inclination to urination will be more common in females due to slightly simpler urinary anatomy. However, some people find great pleasure in urination and do so voluntarily. Involuntary incontinence and urination for sexual pleasure should not be confused.

I actually was referring to sexual arousal in all senses, but this only really applies if you use pornography or sexual fantasy to enhance masturbation.

Orgasm hasnt been conclusively proven to be addictive but with research into the two drugs I have mentioned earlier, it is becoming more and more apparent that anything pleasurable can be addictive, and behavioural patterns have shown that people who masturbate to orgasm very many times a day often require support very similar to that required by drug addicts (males tend to be able to achieve orgasm more frequently without becoming addicted, but I do not remember the reason for this.

listen: it does reduce stress, a lot of it, and masturbation and better still masturbation to orgasm are excellent if you can't sleep, want soemthing to put you out like a light, nothing short of an extended oral or intercourse session will do it better. .

There is nothing that proves masturbation reduces stress, period. There is plenty of evidence the consequences reduce stress, as I pointed out quite clearly earlier.

Some people find that afterglow prevents sleep, but orgasm does cause physical relaxation which will aid those who do not encounter this problem.

masturation does not dull sensation, unless you're using a vibrator with a vibration that's too strong, the rule of thumb is if it hurts, stop. otherwise you're not going to do any harm... your nerve cells will not shrivel up and die from sensation, you will not go blind, your palms won't get hairy. .

I never spoke of anything to do with sensation. I spoke of sensitivity to pleasure. This is actually a central nervous degeneration and only occurs in situations where orgasm has become a destructive addiction, which requires a great deal of free time on the part of the victim.

and whoever said masturbation is only for in private is obviously not a girl.
Damn you and your extremely compact and discreet sexual organs. :p

4) Masturbation HAS been proved to have a direct impact on stress, through the release of endorphins. Think... natural morphine.
Except mega less powerful.
6) I have never encountered a story of anyone lacking 'perception of pleasure' due to masturbation... well, not regular masturbation... I have heard of Masochists who masturbated with cheese-graters, for example... which I am willing to believe COULD impact sensitivity.
I have one thing to say about that:
HOLY FUCKING SHIT!
Eww, I wish I didn't have to picture that in my mind...

Pain+pleasure is well and good, but bloody hell, that sounds like a bit much on the pain side of things...

(males tend to be able to achieve orgasm more frequently without becoming addicted, but I do not remember the reason for this.

Assuming this is true, I would assume it's because us males have about 1/2-3/4 of the number of "pleasure sensing" nerves in a bigger area. Therefore the high that one would become addicted to is less intense.

Orgasm hasnt been conclusively proven to be addictive but with research into the two drugs I have mentioned earlier, it is becoming more and more apparent that anything pleasurable can be addictive, and behavioural patterns have shown that people who masturbate to orgasm very many times a day often require support very similar to that required by drug addicts (males tend to be able to achieve orgasm more frequently without becoming addicted, but I do not remember the reason for this.
I thought we'd known that for years?

Although I have nothing against masturbation, I must point out that you have with each response either misinterpreted me, ignored my point, or have been simply wrong.

Most of these arguments I have already addressed and it would be quite boring to point out the same inaccuracies again.

2) The 'fatigue' is ridiculous. Sure, a guy who beats his meat all day will end up with cramps... but, muscle fatigue?

There is nothing ridiculous about it. It is part of the reason why orgasm is so pleasurable. It induces muscle relaxation which helps accelerate muscle healing.

3) The slight drain of essential minerals? Once again, pretty much ridiculous - since the sperm are not Made-to-Order, and, those minerals are already 'used up'... also - even wthout masturbation, a man loses his older sperms through urination, on a continuous basis. Masturbate or not, that 'material' is wasted.

That isnt true. Sperm are not made to order, but ejaculate isnt just a product of the testicles. There are constituents that are prepared before climax but after arousal. The loss is so minor, however, that this simply doesnt matter.

4) Masturbation HAS been proved to have a direct impact on stress, through the release of endorphins. Think... natural morphine.

Enrophins reduce stress, masturbation does not.

7) Masturbation related deaths rely on such factors as dangerous driving, or auto-erotic asphyxiation. Both of which could be factors without the hand-to-genital contact.

Yes, that is true. It is still an interesting fact. Quite a few have involved bleeding to death.

You would have to be pretty creative to kill yourself in this way though. Which is why I reccomend that nothing not intended to be used as a sex toy should be used as one.

Hm, masturbation while lusting is well..impure. You are lusting.You just said the new testament says lusting is bad.
Masturbation for release, what caused your desire for sexual release? A soft core video, walking up the stairs behind hot babes a couple times that day? Masturbation for release also means you are relying on that release to take away stress (even though I think the stress comes more from addiction/habit to it) instead of being uh.. faithful to El Shaddia and turning to him for refreshment.

It is better to marry if you can not control your sexual temptations. What would I want? An amazing preacher who has lost the trust of all others because he raped a girl, just because he wasn't married and lost control of his sexual temptations? Or a preacher who is married and struggling for sexual purity? What would you want? And I just realized that scenario makes no sense to our agenda at hand(tee hee, at hand!) but I won't delete it because I think I had some point for that idea.

Jesus and Paul would not agree that masturbating is better. and not-masturbating doesn't mean you are automatically lusting.

Starting with your last point... I think you are wrong.

We are told that we should walk in the spirit, not in the flesh. We are told that the flesh is weak. We are told that lust is 'burning'.

So - the Bible acknowledges that we will ALL lust, and that we should try to avoid that... and that this task will be impossible (for "all fall short"), but we should try.

Well, it just so happens, we are designed with a choice. You CAN masturbate (which is not condemned scripturally), which frees you to walk in the spirit, since it removes the temptation. Thus - one 5 minute 'exercise' saves you from hours or days of lustful distraction, by greatly reducing the need.

Jesus and Paul clearly advocated combatting lust (you'll note, they both suggest castration), and thus, it is not hard to believe that they would have favoured a "non-lust" outlook (as engendered by masturbation) over a lustful outlook.

See, masturbation would help you... you cite as a motivation, "walking up the stairs behind hot babes a couple times that day"... well, masturbation helps you to IGNORE things like that - by combatting a hormonal stockpiling.

Regarding addiction. Is eating an addiction? No - it is a necessary function, you NEED to take in new chemicals. It CAN be an addcition, if you let it.

Well, masturbation let's you remove old chemicals... and it COULD be an addiction (just as eating can) IF you LET it.

I thought we'd known that for years?

Well yes, but we are only beginning to understand the reason for this. IIRC, Cocaine is a textbook case of this type of addiction and is rarely physically addictive. I think you may want to check some back issues of Scientific American or Nature to see if you can find any papers on this. I am a bit too lazy.

Enrophins reduce stress, masturbation does not.
Well, masturbation releases endorphins, which is one of the reasons it's so pleasurable.

The reason that a heroin rush feels a lot like an orgasm is that they're both releasing the same chemicals.

Orgasm hasnt been conclusively proven to be addictive but with research into the two drugs I have mentioned earlier, it is becoming more and more apparent that anything pleasurable can be addictive, and behavioural patterns have shown that people who masturbate to orgasm very many times a day often require support very similar to that required by drug addicts (males tend to be able to achieve orgasm more frequently without becoming addicted, but I do not remember the reason for this.



You are confusing Sex Addiction, and manifestations of Nymphomania and Satyrisis, with Masturbation.

Masturbation is a process... Sex Addiction COULD include masturbation, but it doesn't have to.

Well yes, but we are only beginning to understand the reason for this. IIRC, Cocaine is a textbook case of this type of addiction and is rarely physically addictive. I think you may want to check some back issues of Scientific American or Nature to see if you can find any papers on this. I am a bit too lazy.
Whoa, I thought coke was phsyically addictive, but I'm probably confusing it with ice.

Hmm, I checked Erowid, and you're right. Cocaine isn't physically addictive.

Except mega less powerful.

I have one thing to say about that:
HOLY FUCKING SHIT!
Eww, I wish I didn't have to picture that in my mind...

Pain+pleasure is well and good, but bloody hell, that sounds like a bit much on the pain side of things...

Lol... sorry... true though, although FAR OUT, I imagine, on the masochistic limb...

Much like the guys who can only get off if a woman in stilletto boots stamps on their scrotum....

As a possible matter of interest... I believe it was the original version of Nine Inch Nails "Happiness in Slavery" video, that was banned, for graphic images of grater-related-onanism.

is a process... Sex Addiction COULD include masturbation, but it doesn't have to.

I know that, but this topic was on masturbation and the original post was to "balance" the positive aspects of masturbation.

Lol... sorry... true though, although FAR OUT, I imagine, on the masochistic limb...

Much like the guys who can only get off if a woman in stilletto boots stamps on their scrotum....

As a possible matter of interest... I believe it was the original version of Nine Inch Nails "Happiness in Slavery" video, that was banned, for graphic images of grater-related-onanism.
Some of Nine Inch Nails's videos were pretty messed up...
Mr. Reznor has a mind that's up there on the darkness & evil scale.

Some of Nine Inch Nails's videos were pretty messed up...
Mr. Reznor has a mind that's up there on the darkness & evil scale.

I would say that he is up there on the contrived morbid level. His lyrics are laughable at times.

I would say that he is up there on the contrived morbid level. His lyrics are laughable at times.
You do have a point... With some of them, it's a bit hard not to laugh at him saying in such an eeevil voice lines that aren't quite so evil.

I still maintain that those videos are extremely messed up, though.

That isnt true. Sperm are not made to order, but ejaculate isnt just a product of the testicles. There are constituents that are prepared before climax but after arousal. The loss is so minor, however, that this simply doesnt matter.

Males can train themselves to orgasm w/o ejaculating. If you don't believe me, google it.

There is nothing ridiculous about it. It is part of the reason why orgasm is so pleasurable. It induces muscle relaxation which helps accelerate muscle healing.


There is a big difference between relaxation and 'fatigue'. A muscle fatigue actually requires starvation and possible damage to a muscle.


That isnt true. Sperm are not made to order, but ejaculate isnt just a product of the testicles. There are constituents that are prepared before climax but after arousal. The loss is so minor, however, that this simply doesnt matter.


I am aware of this - but ALL constituents of ejaculate are dumped, if not used.


Enrophins reduce stress, masturbation does not.


Masturbation liberate endorphins, it also occupies the mind and body. All three of those factors affect stress in a positive fashion.


Yes, that is true. It is still an interesting fact. Quite a few have involved bleeding to death.

You would have to be pretty creative to kill yourself in this way though. Which is why I reccomend that nothing not intended to be used as a sex toy should be used as one.

So - what about those unfortunates who end up dead on a ball-gag? Designed for sex play - but they asphyxiate...

The most famous example of death by masturbation would be Michael Hutchence, I would guess... who hanged himself with a belt thrown over a door, but... who, in the end, couldn't free himself.

Some of Nine Inch Nails's videos were pretty messed up...
Mr. Reznor has a mind that's up there on the darkness & evil scale.
Of course he does, he did create the entire soundtrack for the original Quake, after all.

Males can train themselves to orgasm w/o ejaculating. If you don't believe me, google it.

Or read up on Tantric sex.

Of course he does, he did create the entire soundtrack for the original Quake, after all.

And, an excellent soudtrack it was, too.

He also assembled (and contributed 3 tracks to) the Natural Born Killers soundtrack.

I know that, but this topic was on masturbation and the original post was to "balance" the positive aspects of masturbation.

And so, I should balance out the 'positive effects' of milk, by discussing deaths from Vodka induced drunkenness?

The positive effects of masturbation does not equate to the negative effects of sex addiction... yet you treat the two things, as though they were one.

There is a big difference between relaxation and 'fatigue'. A muscle fatigue actually requires starvation and possible damage to a muscle.



Well, fatigue does not require that at all but there is one issue I overlooked in that the "fatigue" induced by orgasm does not leave the toxic residues of fatigue induced by exertion (although many sexual acts involve exertion anyway, which is partially why orgasmic "fatigue" exists.

You were possibly thinking of degeneration and/or atrophy.

I am aware of this - but ALL constituents of ejaculate are dumped, if not used.

They are still only produced when the body reaches arousal, plateu, or culmination. So unless you were involved in sexual activity or in nocturnal emmision, they would not be produced in the first place.

Masturbation liberate endorphins, it also occupies the mind and body. All three of those factors affect stress in a positive fashion.

Occupies the mind and body? Huh? What type of jargon is this? Remember that "mind and body" are just complex mathematical models which could, with a unrealistically powerful computer, be simulated down to the quantum level. Dont introduce metaphysical or philosophical abstractions if they no longer make sense, especially when they are not neccessary in understanding the topic involved.

Back on topic:

Masturbation does not directly affect relaxation in any way.

Reduced/comprised endorphin response in the CNS, which corrosponds to some people with addictions to orgasm, can dampen or aliminate any relaxing effects.

So - what about those unfortuantes who end up dead on a ball-gag? Designed for sex play - but they asphyxiate...

The most famous example of death by masturbation would be Michael Hutchence, I would guess... who hanged himself with a belt thrown over a door, but... who, in the end, couldn't free himself.

Quite entertaining. And it is true that anyone creative and foolish enough could terminate him or herself with a sufficiently "foolproof" sex-toy. It has made for amusing urban ledgends as well as some funny real situations, and is certainly a decent base for a work of humour.

You do have a point... With some of them, it's a bit hard not to laugh at him saying in such an eeevil voice lines that aren't quite so evil.

I still maintain that those videos are extremely messed up, though.

I was confused and thought this was the Songwriter thread and was ready to slam Reznor to the ground, but since we are discussing the M-Word, he fits.

That masturbating son of a bitch.

And so, I should balance out the 'positive effects' of milk, by discussing deaths from Vodka induced drunkenness?

The positive effects of masturbation does not equate to the negative effects of sex addiction... yet you treat the two things, as though they were one.

Vodka and milk are rarely related to each other. Next to prostitution, masturbation is probably the most destructive to develop and hold an addiction to orgasm.


They often are. I have seen one webpage which I believe has been taken down (Males101) which involved a great number of examples of people who have developed addictions specifically to masturbation due to reliance pornography to induce arousal. (This really does happen! It is possible that aids and sex toys, if used exclusively and too often, will make you unable to find arousal in actual human beings.)

In addition, orgasm is addictive and if you find yourself masturbating 6 times a day you probably should find help.

Sexual acts are time consuming (at least when you do them correctly, even males should preferably take 60-80 minutes or longer if they wish a strong orgasm,) and when you hold a job or do more than 25 credits (or do both) you may find that you are not too confident in saying that the good of masturbation outweighs the bad.

Sexual acts are time consuming (at least when you do them correctly, even males should preferably take 60-80 minutes or longer if they wish a strong orgasm,) and when you hold a job or do more than 25 credits (or do both) you may find that you are not too confident in saying that the good of masturbation outweighs the bad.
What?
5-10 is like tops for most guys, in my experience...
Unless they do that Tantric stuff or something.

What?
5-10 is like tops for most guys, in my experience...
Unless they do that Tantric stuff or something.

Stop & Go + Porn to maintain erection. Its sooo good.

P.S. Strengthening the lower pelvic muscles can increase endurance and intensify orgasm.

Co(g)ito Ergo Sum

Well, fatigue does not require that at all but there is one issue I overlooked in that the "fatigue" induced by orgasm does not leave the toxic residues of fatigue induced by exertion (although many sexual acts involve exertion anyway, which is partially why orgasmic "fatigue" exists.

You were possibly thinking of degeneration and/or atrophy.


If that is not what you mean by fatigue, then I have no idea what you DO mean.

I really think you need to explain this better... I can't make out what you mean, and it seems you shift goalposts from post to post.


They are still only produced when the body reaches arousal, plateu, or culmination. So unless you were involved in sexual activity or in nocturnal emmision, they would not be produced in the first place.


Well, NOT masturbating would increase the possibility of nocturnal emission... but, on topic: those chemicals are otherwised used, recycled, replenished ANYWAY, regardless of sexual activity, are they not?


Occupies the mind and body? Huh? What type of jargon is this? Remember that "mind and body" are just complex mathematical models which could, with a unrealistically powerful computer, be simulated down to the quantum level. Dont introduce metaphysical or philosophical abstractions if they no longer make sense, especially when they are not neccessary in understanding the topic involved.


Jargon?

Okay- where I come from the 'jargon' runs like this... the "Body" is a word we use to decribe your 'body'... that's the meaty phyical part of you... the part that eats, drinks, exercises and relaxes.

The 'Mind' is a special name we use for the part of you that is your 'mind', i.e. NOT the body. This 'mind' is the part of you that 'thinks'.

It is said you can 'affect ths 'mind' and 'body', through certain activities... like distracting your 'mind' with a pleasurable 'mental' process, or 'distracting' the 'body' with a similar 'mechanical' process.


Back on topic:

Masturbation does not directly affect relaxation in any way.

Reduced/comprised endorphin response in the CNS, which corrosponds to some people with addictions to orgasm, can dampen or aliminate any relaxing effects.


Not true. Endorphins ARE released... but, once again, you are confusing 'Sex Addiction' with 'Masturbation'.

They are NOT the same thing!

Males can train themselves to orgasm w/o ejaculating. If you don't believe me, google it.

Wow, this seems to be accurate. But it looks like eventual ejaculation is still desirable.

Stop & Go + Porn to maintain erection. Its sooo good.

P.S. Strengthening the lower pelvic muscles can increase endurance and intensify orgasm.

Beginning to understand why you confuse masturbation with sex addiction...

If you are shooting down 80 minutes a time, however many times a day, with SOLO play, you really need to get out more.

If you are shooting down 80 minutes a time, however many times a day, with SOLO play, you really need to get out more.
I was gonna say, I thought it was more of like a quick before-bed thing or in free time...

Wow, this seems to be accurate. But it looks like eventual ejaculation is still desirable.

In Tantric technique, if an 'ejaculation' is sought at all (which it often is not), it is by 'internalising'... mastering the technique of 'ejaculating' into the bladder.

I was gonna say, I thought it was more of like a quick before-bed thing or in free time...

A couple of hours WITH somone, yes.

By yourself for an hour or more?

I'd say... go for a walk, or read a book or something.

Damn. Some people obviously don't have enough to do in their lives...

i find it hilarious you are all arguing these complicated, vast philosophical points about something everybody does.

I was gonna say, I thought it was more of like a quick before-bed thing or in free time...


Or a when you're bored at work thing....

If that is not what you mean by fatigue, then I have no idea what you DO mean.

I really think you need to explain this better... I can't make out what you mean, and it seems you shift goalposts from post to post.

I didnt, but you have been chasing the wrong goalposts since you looked at my first post. By fatigue I meant... fatigue... is there a better word for it than that? I have seen some people talk of "tired" muscles but this doesnt make a lot of sense to me.

Well, NOT masturbating would increase the possibility of nocturnal emission... but, on topic: those chemicals are otherwised used, recycled, replenished ANYWAY, regardless of sexual activity, are they not?

No, both of those are simply wrong.

Nocturnal emmisions usually only happen about twice a month, and only when you do not masturbate regularily enough. Personally, I perform the act about once a day, so I am doing it about 15 times more frequently than would be naturally. How often do you do so? Do nocturnal emmisions 2-3 times a months still seem like a bigger loss.

And as I pointed out earlier, although the chemicals are wasted, replenished, and otherwise used, the reproductive system does not use much of those involved in the composition of ejaculate until sexual arousal, plateu, or culmination. So you do have an insignificant nutrient drain, which can probably be replenshid to some degree by consuming the ejaculate.

Not true. Endorphins ARE released... but, once again, you are confusing 'Sex Addiction' with 'Masturbation'.

They are NOT the same thing!

As I have pointed out three times earlier, I never said they were the same things. And I never said that endorphins arent released. You obviously didnt read what I wrote.

What does happen though, is with the addiction so common in those who masturbate too often, endorphin response is lowered. Hence reduced relaxation from its release.

As I have pointed out three times earlier, I never said they were the same things. And I never said that endorphins arent released. You obviously didnt read what I wrote.

What does happen though, is with the addiction so common in those who masturbate too often, endorphin response is lowered. Hence reduced relaxation from its release.
Okay, so sex addiction is bad. What I believe he's asking is why you're trying to use thta point against masturbation.

Beginning to understand why you confuse masturbation with sex addiction...

If you are shooting down 80 minutes a time, however many times a day, with SOLO play, you really need to get out more.

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A couple of hours WITH somone, yes.

By yourself for an hour or more?

I'd say... go for a walk, or read a book or something.

Damn. Some people obviously don't have enough to do in their lives...

For the last time, I do not confuse the two. And I rarely take a full 80 minutes but I do when I am able. In fact, its been over an hour since I began posting here.

As for walks, I do a bit of tai-chi or paqua walking exercises before classes, and I am a second year lit student. You need better examples.

Also, attacks on personality is a common illogical argument.

In Tantric technique, if an 'ejaculation' is sought at all (which it often is not), it is by 'internalising'... mastering the technique of 'ejaculating' into the bladder.

Oh dear, this is extremely dangerous, unless you are referring to ejaculating into the male bladder, which is also dangerous and is an act known as injaculation that can cause permanent damage to the tissues in the pelvic region.

If you mean the female, I doubt this to be physically possible, but even if it was, NOTHING foreign should EVER enter the urethra.

No, both of those are simply wrong.

Nocturnal emmisions usually only happen about twice a month, and only when you do not masturbate regularily enough. Personally, I perform the act about once a day, so I am doing it about 15 times more frequently than would be naturally. How often do you do so? Do nocturnal emmisions 2-3 times a months still seem like a bigger loss.

And as I pointed out earlier, although the chemicals are wasted, replenished, and otherwise used, the reproductive system does not use much of those involved in the composition of ejaculate until sexual arousal, plateu, or culmination. So you do have an insignificant nutrient drain, which can probably be replenshid to some degree by consuming the ejaculate.


So - what you are saying is, YOU brought up mineral loss as an adverse side effect, and now YOU (same person) are saying that it isn't worth considering.

If I leave you alone for an hour, will you tear down ALL your own posts?


As I have pointed out three times earlier, I never said they were the same things. And I never said that endorphins arent released. You obviously didnt read what I wrote.

What does happen though, is with the addiction so common in those who masturbate too often, endorphin response is lowered. Hence reduced relaxation from its release.

Same thing again, friend.

Sex Addiction MAY have an effect of causing people to masturbate (or ANY other type of sexual act) too much.

You are attacking it backwards... MUCH masturbation doesn't make you a sex addict...

But, being a sex addict, CAN make you masturbate much.

Your logic is reversed... and would only be relevent if we were discussing Sex Addiction... which we are not... we are discussing masturbation.

Oh dear, this is extremely dangerous, unless you are referring to ejaculating into the male bladder, which is also dangerous and is an act known as injaculation that can cause permanent damage to the tissues in the pelvic region.

If you mean the female, I doubt this to be physically possible, but even if it was, NOTHING foreign should EVER enter the urethra.
I somehow doubt that he meant the female bladder.
;)

Okay, so sex addiction is bad. What I believe he's asking is why you're trying to use thta point against masturbation.

Because I think humans generally tend to suck maybe?

I do not think that people should be made to feel that nothing can be bad about masturbation. This was my original motive for posting in this thread. If they do, it disrupts their balance and renders them blind to the counterargument, in which there lies lessons just as useful if not more than the ones which support their belief.

Also, saying that sexual addictions arent tied to masturbation is not only false but also dangerous. It is like saying you cant get pregnant from rape, or that you cant suffer alcohol poisoning from drinking a lethal dose of beer.

I somehow doubt that he meant the female bladder.
;)

Yes but there have been some people who, much to the dismay of the female, have attempted to do so. I have not heard of successus from this act, but I have heard of males inserting rather large objects into their urethra, so someone particularly badly endowed may manage.

For the last time, I do not confuse the two. And I rarely take a full 80 minutes but I do when I am able. In fact, its been over an hour since I began posting here.

As for walks, I do a bit of tai-chi or paqua walking exercises before classes, and I am a second year lit student. You need better examples.

Also, attacks on personality is a common illogical argument.


How am I attacking personality?

I said that... faced with the option of masturbation for more than an hour (by myself)... or well, NOT masturbating for 80 minutes... I would read a book or go for a walk.

I would do something I consider constructive... rather than beating my life away.

There is only a personal attack there, if you choose to see one.

How am I attacking personality?

I said that... faced with the option of masturbation for more than an hour (by myself)... or well, NOT masturbating for 80 minutes... I would read a book or go for a walk.

I would do something I consider constructive... rather than beating my life away.

There is only a personal attack there, if you choose to see one.

Well, I thought that the implication was pretty blatant, but I will dismiss this, since you either did not make a personal attack or you retracted one, and I do not care about whether or not you made one in the first place, save to note errors in rhetoric.

Because I think humans generally tend to suck maybe?

I do not think that people should be made to feel that nothing can be bad about masturbation. This was my original motive for posting in this thread. If they do, it disrupts their balance and renders them blind to the counterargument, in which there lies lessons just as useful if not more than the ones which support their belief.

Also, saying that sexual addictions arent tied to masturbation is not only false but also dangerous. It is like saying you cant get pregnant from rape, or that you cant suffer alcohol poisoning from drinking a lethal dose of beer.

Nobody said that Sex addiction couldn't be connected to masturbation.

But:

Several times, YOU have presented the downsides of Sex Addiction..

AS THOUGH:

they were the downsides of masturbation.


It is possible to be a sex addict without masturbating... how does your talk of addictions, etc apply in that case?

Answer: Not at all.

And MOST masturbation is NOT a symptom of Sex Addiction... so where is the relevence there? Answer: There is none.

Hence, I say - stop confusing the one with the other.

Well, I thought that the implication was pretty blatant, but I will dismiss this, since you either did not make a personal attack or you retracted one, and I do not care about whether or not you made one in the first place, save to note errors in rhetoric.

"Errors in rhetoric?"

See, what THAT looks like to me, is you don't like being argued down, so you claimed 'ad hominem'. I told you straight up that any insult was in your own perceptions, but you can't let it lie.

Well done. You have acheived a win of sorts... since I will no longer waste my time on your posts. Good day.

Nobody said that Sex addiction couldn't be connected to masturbation.

But:

Several times, YOU have presented the downsides of Sex Addiction..

AS THOUGH:

they were the downsides of masturbation.


It is possible to be a sex addict without masturbating... how does your talk of addictions, etc apply in that case?

Answer: Not at all.

And MOST masturbation is NOT a symptom of Sex Addiction... so where is the relevence there? Answer: There is none.

Hence, I say - stop confusing the one with the other.


For the fifth time, I am not confusing the two.

And sex addiction is most often a symptom of masturbation, although they do often work the other way around.

Also, the downside of masturbation, particularily in excess, generally is sex addiction! (although, as I elaborated earlier, there are a few others, such as the effect on arousal when aids are used.) So the downsides of sex addiction do logically follow to be the downsides of masturbation. But if you balance yourself and moderate the activity, it is possible to drastically limit this.

Extremes in celibacy have consequences too, after all.

I mean, you sit down with your Orange Juice and your croissant and you open up nationstates to see what's happening and, y'know, somehow the old appetite has just mysteriously vanished. For the record, I don't reckon it's such a big deal. It's pretty normal. At least you don't have to worry about whether or not your partner will still respect you in the morning!! For those who dwell on tantric versions of it, I have three words;

Get out more!!!!! ;)

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What for did I put the IMG tags now??? Damn

"Errors in rhetoric?"

See, what THAT looks like to me, is you don't like being argued down, so you claimed 'ad hominem'. I told you straight up that any insult was in your own perceptions, but you can't let it lie.

Well done. You have acheived a win of sorts... since I will no longer waste my time on your posts. Good day.

That is interesting. I was quite enjoying this argument and was hoping to continue a while longer.

I am saddened to hear that you were seeking to identify any sort of victory in this, but I will not currently ponder this.

Also, if it should comfort you, at no point did I feel insulted by you. But you did make a post which could easily have been interpereted as attack on character and I did what I believed was a service in pointing it out to you.

Sorry if I wasnt clear on that. Well, it was pleasant.

And sex addiction is most often a symptom of masturbation
:confused:
Ég skil yður ekki...

I mean, you sit down with your Orange Juice and your croissant and you open up nationstates to see what's happening and, y'know, somehow the old appetite has just mysteriously vanished. For the record, I don't reckon it's such a big deal. It's pretty normal. At least you don't have to worry about whether or not your partner will still respect you in the morning!! For those who dwell on tantric versions of it, I have three words;

Get out more!!!!! ;)

Oh, but these techniques raise interesting questions and may have implications elsewhere. Learning them and understanding the means by which they function can be just as enlightening as learning about the physics of inward-billowing shower curtains and their implications on larger scales

:confused:
Ég skil yður ekki...

Well, other than prostitution, it is one of the few easily accessible means to achieve climax, and it often accompanies addictions to pornography which can become so problematic for some people. Think about it.

Oh, but these techniques raise interesting questions and may have implications elsewhere. Learning them and understanding the means by which they function can be just as enlightening as learning about the physics of inward-billowing shower curtains and their implications on larger scales
Wait, we're comparing Tantric techniques to shower curtains?
There's no contest here, the Tantra wins!
:D

Well, other than prostitution, it is one of the few easily accessible means to achieve climax, and it often accompanies addictions to pornography which can become so problematic for some people. Think about it.
Oh, sorry, I got all confused and thought you said that sex addiction was a common symptom of masturbation.
Whoops!

Wait, we're comparing Tantric techniques to shower curtains?
There's no contest here, the Tantra wins!
:D

Well, the way air currents generated by moving water effects shower curtains is very complicated and difficult to understand.

Although I have to agree that tantric techniques would be more interesting to read a research paper on (not that shower curtains would not be interesting.)

Oh, sorry, I got all confused and thought you said that sex addiction was a common symptom of masturbation.
Whoops!

Subtlety points = +1

Oh, sorry, I got all confused and thought you said that sex addiction was a common symptom of masturbation.
Whoops!

Well, in a respect it is the most common severe consequence, but the only thing that really competes as a "severe" consequence is accidental death or injury, so that is really a pretty obvious conclusion to draw.

Wow, I haven't looked at this thread until now. Y'all really went on a tear. Interesting thoughts for me to contemplate. Thx.

ITS ^%&$ING GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.............

oh uh.....i mean its uh.....nice.....bye...*runs out the door*

I was just wondering, what are all of your opinions on masturbation. Let me know, as this is still a grey area for me.


My opinion on it? I don't think anything is wrong with satisfying the urge. Men seem to have the urge more so than women. Men that have sex often still spank their monkey. I think its just a natural occurance. But anything can be taken to an extreme. I'd advise against that.

That aside, it's better than sex. 8)

Ooh... you must lead a sad, sad life.

Good sex is always better than masturbation... it's kinda like getting your back rubbed - it always feels better when someone else does it!

There's nothing wrong with it.
Personally, I'd rather see (well, not see, but you get the point) people masturbating rather than going out and screwing the first person they see.

But that's just my opinion.

Hey, if God didnt want me to play with it....he would have put it on the middle of my back! :D

I see no problem with it, unless you start masturbating more then say...going out with friends*?

I did however date a Mormon boy once who DID have a problem with it, but he felt the same way about sex before marriage. In the end he didn't seem to have a problem with either :). I suppose it was just how he was raised, but when he really thought about it, he realized it wasn't so bad.


(*There was an episode of Sex and the City where Charlotte gets a "rabbit" and begins calling to cancel plans with the rest of her friends saying she has to stay in because "she's sick/needs to finish laundry/fix something", they finally have an intervention, and take the rabbit....after which her social life/sex life returns to normal)

From a personal point of view, masturbation is great. When there's no sex around, you can engineer it yourself. Masturbation can help you get to sleep. Masturbation is exercise. Masturbation builds wrist muscles.

But even if all this proposterous "masturbation damages your health" talk carries any weight, who are you to stop people doing it? Smoking and drinking damage your health, but they're not illegal. What people do with their bodies should surely be entirely up to them.

There's not even danger of anybody else getting harmed by someone's wanking, it doesn't involve another party.

What's the coloquial word for masturbation? (I'm latinoamerican)

What's the coloquial word for masturbation? (I'm latinoamerican)

Wanking, Jerking/jacking off, Beating the meat, to name just a few.

I don't think I do it too frequently, but I don't have any moral qualms about it apparently.

Wanking, Jerking/jacking off, Beating the meat, to name just a few.

Choking the chicken, beating off

Here's what I've learned:

1. 95% of guys do it.
2. 5% of guys lie.

3. The ones who have hangups have always been traumatized by being busted as a teen by their mother... who may have impacted the damage by telling them it was wrong or dirty.
4. Spanking the monkey semiregularly will keep your prostate happy and healthy.
5. Don't depend on porn too much or your faculty for creating vivid sexual fantasies will deminish.

Masturbation is good because:
1: It's cheaper than a hore
2:It prevents cancer
3: it's nice
4: Nobody gets pregnant
5: Your cock never has a haedache
6: You can do it several times a day
7: The only thing you need is paper (sometimes not even that)
8: You make stronger your hand's muscles

Wow..I just caught up on the thread, and I think I will shut up for now.

Here (http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?Farivanos) is why you shouldn't masturbate.

Choking the chicken, beating off

spanking the monkey

well, i think it's about time to chime in here. I picked up the habit around 7th grade, if not earlier, and though i never officially heard it was wrong I felt very dirty doing it. As I grew more mature through my spiritual life, I realized that it fell in the catagory of lust and that it was a very bad thing. No, technically it doesn't hurt anyone, but what I've learned in my quest is that it can cause some serious relational problems, and problems to your own psyche. An addiction can develop, causing you to crave and need it (I know this by personal experience). As far as relations with your spouse/future spouse go, he/she may not be able to satisfy your addiction. You may turn to it because he/she doesn't satisfy you, in turn hurting him/her...I'm a guy so i'm just gonna use she from now on so it's easier...this can cause massive problems hurting her feelings, and create a gap in your relationship. That's not something you want to develop between you and the one you'll spend the rest of your life with. Now for all the christians and others who desire to quite this habit, there is hope. The lie that all guys do it is not true. Recently through a ton of prayer and hard work, I quit, Saturday marks 10 weeks since the last time, and a friend of mine is also on the verge of quitting. Don't lose hope, because no matter how bad you think you are with it, I can assure that I was as bad, if not worse. I would suggest being smarter than myself and killing the habit before it develops into an addiction. For all of you who've taken my warning to heart and try to quit, my prayers are for you and I sincerely hope you can quit.

eh. I believe masturbation is sexual immorality. I fight against the temptation to look at pornography, to have lustful thoughts, to check babes out, and to masturbate. I fail, but I just get back up again and fight for my purity. When you rip me for what I just said, do it nicely, I just opened up a pretty serious topic of my christian life to you.
Good for you! Standing up for your morals without imposing them on others! I wish more christians were like you.

As for masturbation, I don't think I'm doing it right...

Hehe..

Boys are shexy!



As for me..

I am a girl, i do participate in the matter at ..er..hand.., and i have only one slight feeling of remorse while doing so..

I ride horses, and this sport can, well, dull down your ....i dunno...um..pleasure button.!..if youre a girl.

I guess its probably happened to me, but i dont have problems when im with a guy, i think its a heat of the moment thing..like you dont really need the actual clit to experience the surge brought on by different sexual activities..

boys are silly!

have fun discussing!

the something or other A cows person rocks my world...like i could hehe beat off to his comments 24/7

johnny depp works too, but this cow guy..
and dogburg too....from the che guevara project thread

but i mean jesus christ(heh) cant the bible guys just bugger off..
holy shit everyone should just be Jewish like me!

i know my rabbi doesnt have a problem with wanking off..he does it all the damn time!

anyways you guys rock...minus bible men..well theyre ok but not good for pleasure extension...but oh well

love,
Cardi ;)

i do agree with the post below. ..my other..
all christians should be as unimposing as the Door Corporation.
Thanks good sire! :D


love,

well, i think it's about time to chime in here. I picked up the habit around 7th grade, if not earlier, and though i never officially heard it was wrong I felt very dirty doing it. As I grew more mature through my spiritual life, I realized that it fell in the catagory of lust and that it was a very bad thing. No, technically it doesn't hurt anyone, but what I've learned in my quest is that it can cause some serious relational problems, and problems to your own psyche. An addiction can develop, causing you to crave and need it (I know this by personal experience). As far as relations with your spouse/future spouse go, he/she may not be able to satisfy your addiction. You may turn to it because he/she doesn't satisfy you, in turn hurting him/her...I'm a guy so i'm just gonna use she from now on so it's easier...this can cause massive problems hurting her feelings, and create a gap in your relationship. That's not something you want to develop between you and the one you'll spend the rest of your life with. Now for all the christians and others who desire to quite this habit, there is hope. The lie that all guys do it is not true. Recently through a ton of prayer and hard work, I quit, Saturday marks 10 weeks since the last time, and a friend of mine is also on the verge of quitting. Don't lose hope, because no matter how bad you think you are with it, I can assure that I was as bad, if not worse. I would suggest being smarter than myself and killing the habit before it develops into an addiction. For all of you who've taken my warning to heart and try to quit, my prayers are for you and I sincerely hope you can quit.

You felt bad afterwards because you felt a general shame around sexual things. No one has to explicitly say its wrong, but attitudes around you in childhood can make it abundantly clear. If parents always tried to change the subject when sexual topics came up, or just avoided mentioning it in general children learn that something like that must be shameful.

As for the rest of the stuff, from a medical standpoint its not exactly the best idea. But hey, whatever makes you happy.

well, i think it's about time to chime in here. I picked up the habit around 7th grade, if not earlier, and though i never officially heard it was wrong I felt very dirty doing it. As I grew more mature through my spiritual life, I realized that it fell in the catagory of lust and that it was a very bad thing. No, technically it doesn't hurt anyone, but what I've learned in my quest is that it can cause some serious relational problems, and problems to your own psyche. An addiction can develop, causing you to crave and need it (I know this by personal experience). As far as relations with your spouse/future spouse go, he/she may not be able to satisfy your addiction. You may turn to it because he/she doesn't satisfy you, in turn hurting him/her...I'm a guy so i'm just gonna use she from now on so it's easier...this can cause massive problems hurting her feelings, and create a gap in your relationship. That's not something you want to develop between you and the one you'll spend the rest of your life with. Now for all the christians and others who desire to quite this habit, there is hope. The lie that all guys do it is not true. Recently through a ton of prayer and hard work, I quit, Saturday marks 10 weeks since the last time, and a friend of mine is also on the verge of quitting. Don't lose hope, because no matter how bad you think you are with it, I can assure that I was as bad, if not worse. I would suggest being smarter than myself and killing the habit before it develops into an addiction. For all of you who've taken my warning to heart and try to quit, my prayers are for you and I sincerely hope you can quit.

If you actually think you had become morbidly dependent on self-satisfaction, then good for you on quitting.

Personally, I think that approach is actually targetting a symptom, rather than a problem... and, that what you really needed to do was work through the issues... rather than making a token 'sacrifice'.

Whether I masturbate and lust or just masturbate to release the tension, it is relying on something else and is impure.
What "something else"?

I personally don't see any problems with it. It is good for you on both a medical and, usually, psychological basis. Even in a relationship it can be okay. I'm perfectly comfortable discussing such things with my partner, and we've come to the agreement that there's nothing wrong with it. If partners can't discuss such things with each other, they really need to work on some aspects of their relationship.

Honestly, there's no reason to discuss this. I mean, whatever I do whit my cock and my hand is just MY problem

Masturbation isn't wrong as long as its done correctly. ;)

Grave digging and necromancing threads is wrong! Wrong, wrong, wrong!

Masturbation is teriffic! I was a little late getting to it but the last 5 years have been good. I can't imagine actually being addicted to masturbation. It's perfectly healthy :)

Personally, I think its a perfectly natural action that most humans do. As others have stated, there are health benefits to doing so, besides the fact that it does feel rather nice.

Of course, being female, there are other benefits. For one, its one of the few reliable methods for getting rid of cramps. I can't take most pain stuff because of blood clotting issues, so masturbation is quite helpful.

everybody does it, whats the big deal?

It's my only friend. :(

My grandma told me it was against the Catholic church. My mother has never really reinforced anything even though she told me that too...

Dude, i don't need masturbation :fluffle: ;) :D

Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
When a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is good.
Every sperm is needed
in your neighborhood.


That aside, it's better than sex. 8)

lmao :D

Masturbation: Something I need to do more often.

I was just wondering, what are all of your opinions on masturbation. Let me know, as this is still a grey area for me.
It's better than nothing ... but not much!

It's my only friend. :(
Bah, that can't be true. Have a [insert your favourite snack here].

As for masturbation, there are far worse things one can do with one's time...

I was just wondering, what are all of your opinions on masturbation. Let me know, as this is still a grey area for me.
like any consentual or solitary sexual activity, there's nothing wrong with masturbation unless it starts to interfere with your life.

I was just wondering, what are all of your opinions on masturbation. Let me know, as this is still a grey area for me.
I am religious Jew, so it's tabu for me. Therefore, I don't do it.

everybody does it, whats the big deal?

Why must everybody say that? It makes me feel sad. :( Hah, no. But I don't do it.

I am religious Jew, so it's tabu for me. Therefore, I don't do it.

You're lying, then.

You're lying, then.
No i'm not. It is often assumed by people who I tell that I don't masturbate, that I am lying. Since there is no possible way for me to prove it, less hooking up a webcam and having someone observe me 24/7, i grew to just saying:
If you believe me, good. If you don't, too bad. Nothing changes from you not believing me.