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in my mind some of the music genius's of our time include:
Neil Young
Eric Clapton
Luciano Pavarotti
John Lennon
Jimi Hendrix

All these people have done something special that is the result of pure genius. But there has been no modern achievments than that of Bob Dylan. but i want to know your opinions.

I'd add Nick Drake and Elliot Smith, even though Smith was fairly contemporary.
While I'm talking about Smiths, Robert Smith from The Cure wrote beautiful lyrics:

""i think it's dark and it looks like rain" you said
"and the wind is blowing like it's the end of the
world" you said "and it's so cold it's like the
cold if you were dead" and then you smiled for
a second.

"i think i'm old and i'm in pain" you said
"and it's all running out like it's the end of the
world" you said "and it's so cold it's like the
cold if you were dead" and then you smiled for
a second

sometimes you make me feel like i'm living at
the edge of the world like i'm living at the edge
of the world "it's just the way i smile" you said"
-"Plainsong", by The Cure, off Disintegration

http://www.obscure.org/~vlad/lyrics/cure/disintegration.html

Kurt Cobain. He has influenced thousands of shitty copycats who should have taken the emulation of their idol to the obvious final step. Not that he wasn't good, but...

Ooh, i'm mean today. :p

I'd add Nick Drake....

Time has told me
You're a rare rare find
A troubled cure
For a troubled mind.

And time has told me
Not to ask for more
Someday our ocean
Will find its shore.

So I`ll leave the ways that are making me be
What I really don't want to be
Leave the ways that are making me love
What I really don't want to love.

Time has told me
You came with the dawn
A soul with no footprint
A rose with no thorn.

Your tears they tell me
There's really no way
Of ending your troubles
With things you can say.

And time will tell you
To stay by my side
To keep on trying
'til there's no more to hide.

So leave the ways that are making you be
What you really don't want to be
Leave the ways that are making you love
What you really don't want to love.

Time has told me
You're a rare rare find
A troubled cure
For a troubled mind.

And time has told me
Not to ask for more
For some day our ocean
Will find its shore.

- "Time Has Told Me" by Nick Drake

in my mind some of the music genius's of our time include:
Neil Young
Eric Clapton
Luciano Pavarotti
John Lennon
Jimi Hendrix

All these people have done something special that is the result of pure genius. But there has been no modern achievments than that of Bob Dylan. but i want to know your opinions.

I agree with both of the below posters... Robert Smith and Kurt Cobain have both left visible legacies in modern music. Personally, I would add Genesis P Orridge, Nivek Ogre, Blixa Bargeld, Andrew Eldritch, Nick Cave, Coil, and Martin Atkins, in terms of 'importance' and genius.

But, in terms of MOST influence?

Well - Modern punk, industrial and dance music owe huge debts to Throbbing Gristle.

The ambient, techno and darkwave scenes also owe huge debts to people like Pink Floyd and Tangerine Dream.

Most of the 'indie-punk' music of today owes it's root to people like The Damned, The Cramps, Christian Death and The Misfits.

I agree with both of the below posters... Robert Smith and Kurt Cobain have both left visible legacies in modern music. Personally, I would add Genesis P Orridge, Nivek Ogre, Blixa Bargeld, Andrew Eldritch, Nick Cave, Coil, and Martin Atkins, in terms of 'importance' and genius.
Industrial fan?

Paul Simon. He's right up there with Dylan, IMO. Esp. in his garfunkel days. Some songs like The Sound of Silence and I Am a Rock just kick ass.

Industrial fan?

Erm... no... what is this 'industrial' of which you speak?

:)

Anything with good lyrics and some kind of passion, that's all it takes for me.

So - yeah, I guess. :)

I was industrial-gothic before people dreamed of attaching such labels to little Brian Warner...

Jimmy Page?

Jimmy Page?

Yeah, agreed.

Paul Simon. He's right up there with Dylan, IMO. Esp. in his garfunkel days. Some songs like The Sound of Silence and I Am a Rock just kick ass.
Oh hell yeah, but also add Tim Buckley and Roger Waters.

Hmm, Paul Simon, Ozzy Osbourne, which is it? I can't decide.

Hmm, Paul Simon, Ozzy Osbourne, which is it? I can't decide.

Between those two? Simon, undoubtedly.

Bob Dylan

I was industrial-gothic before people dreamed of attaching such labels to little Brian Warner...
Haha, I hate it when some middle-school kid is walking around with lipstick smeared on and a Marilyn Manson tee-shirt and saying "Look at me! I'm cool!"

What's really funny, is that in that one song that Warner has off his latest album that's ferociously popular that's mostly just an incoherent stream of profanity, the beginning of it says something like thi:
"Everything has been said before, nothing left to say anymore..."

Yup, he just summed up all this faux-counterculture stuff right there.

Glenn Benton.

Haha, I hate it when some middle-school kid is walking around with lipstick smeared on and a Marilyn Manson tee-shirt and saying "Look at me! I'm cool!"

What's really funny, is that in that one song that Warner has off his latest album that's ferociously popular that's mostly just an incoherent stream of profanity, the beginning of it says something like thi:
"Everything has been said before, nothing left to say anymore..."

Yup, he just summed up all this faux-counterculture stuff right there.

Honestly, I've always interpreted much of his music as poking fun at the absurdity of himself and his fans and so forth. He seems to realize how stupid his fans are, and actively mocks them.

Yeah, agreed.

I get the feeling that you are the only other person on NS that is as hardcore a Zeppelin fan as myself.

Haha, I hate it when some middle-school kid is walking around with lipstick smeared on and a Marilyn Manson tee-shirt and saying "Look at me! I'm cool!"

What's really funny, is that in that one song that Warner has off his latest album that's ferociously popular that's mostly just an incoherent stream of profanity, the beginning of it says something like thi:
"Everything has been said before, nothing left to say anymore..."

Yup, he just summed up all this faux-counterculture stuff right there.

If I recall correctly... the next line is even MORE telling... "When it's all the same, you can ask for it by name".

Not that I am dissing the eminent Mr Warner. He's certainly more to say than the Misfits wannabees like Good Charlotte... but... he's no Al Jourgenson or Cevin Key.

Honestly, I've always interpreted much of his music as poking fun at the absurdity of himself and his fans and so forth. He seems to realize how stupid his fans are, and actively mocks them.

If you REALLY want to see that done, I'd say the band would be Slipknot...

I get the feeling that you are the only other person on NS that is as hardcore a Zeppelin fan as myself.

*grins* Yeah, it seems that way sometimes. They're probably hiding somewhere though.

I get the feeling that you are the only other person on NS that is as hardcore a Zeppelin fan as myself.
I ADORE Zeppelin.

If you REALLY want to see that done, I'd say the band would be Slipknot...

I hate Slipknot sooooooooooo much. You don't even know.

*grins* Yeah, it seems that way sometimes. They're probably hiding somewhere though.

Okay. Only other hardcore Zep fan as vocal as myself.

edit: And heh, I'm listening to Led Zeppelin right now, and it wasn't even because of this thread.

I get the feeling that you are the only other person on NS that is as hardcore a Zeppelin fan as myself.

Wouldn't bet on it. I had Led Zepplin I when it was their ONLY album. I learned words and tune to "Dazed and Confused" before I knew what sex was. I'm an old fart who grew up in Britain ('68 - 73).

BTW, some obviously did not get the sarcastic/joking nature of my earlier post.

Well, not really as a musician, but Bob Rock has done a lot for the music industry as a producer (ex. Metallica's Black Album, and right up to currently I believe)

*grins* Yeah, it seems that way sometimes. They're probably hiding somewhere though.
*pokes head out*
Is there anybody out there?

If I recall correctly... the next line is even MORE telling... "When it's all the same, you can ask for it by name".

Not that I am dissing the eminent Mr Warner. He's certainly more to say than the Misfits wannabees like Good Charlotte... but... he's no Al Jourgenson or Cevin Key.
His stuff was okay earlier, but it sounds like much of it now is just a rehash of what everybody's doing. Sometimes he has a message, but it doesn't come out too great.

I hate Slipknot sooooooooooo much. You don't even know.

LMAO.

I find it amusing that they inspire such passion in you. :)

I find them generally a poor mans' Mushroomhead, with one or two worthwhile moments... they certainly don't incite any earnest reaction.

Just curious... how do they inspire such ire?

Wouldn't bet on it. I had Led Zepplin I when it was their ONLY album. I learned words and tune to "Dazed and Confused" before I knew what sex was. I'm an old fart who grew up in Britain ('68 - 73).

BTW, some obviously did not get the sarcastic/joking nature of my earlier post.

Okay, I apologize to all Led Zeppelin fans that I may have offended. Kanabia and I are just the two most likely to remind everyone how great Led Zeppelin is in any thread even remotely dealing with music, and we've been doing it for a while, too.

LMAO.

I find it amusing that they inspire such passion in you. :)

I find them generally a poor mans' Mushroomhead, with one or two worthwhile moments... they certainly don't incite any earnest reaction.

Just curious... how do they inspire such ire?

They have two percussionists, yet the drum lines are incredibly mundane. With two percussionists, they should be doing some really imaginative stuff, but they do not. As a drummer, this offends me.

*pokes head out*
Is there anybody out there?
I'm not what you'd cal a "Hard Core" Zep fan (couldn't name all their albums, first tour dates, etc), but I love their music. (Methinks I was born in the wrong era to be a huge fan and know all their bios inside out)

Just curious... how do they inspire such ire?
I've always wondered why everybody, instead of disliking them, actively hates them.
I'm just like, "Meh, I don't like them."
Everybody else is too busy hiding outside the member's houses with shotguns to answer any questions.

*pokes head out*
Is there anybody out there?

No. Go back to sleep. :p

Wouldn't bet on it. I had Led Zepplin I when it was their ONLY album. I learned words and tune to "Dazed and Confused" before I knew what sex was. I'm an old fart who grew up in Britain ('68 - 73).

Ah...That song was the first I learned to play on guitar by ear. I sat down, and before I knew i'd done it, I had the main riff. :D

They have two percussionists, yet the drum lines are incredibly mundane. With two percussionists, they should be doing some really imaginative stuff, but they do not. As a drummer, this offends me.
Whoa...
I never noticed they had more than one drummer, so I guess you have a really good point there.

His stuff was okay earlier, but it sounds like much of it now is just a rehash of what everybody's doing. Sometimes he has a message, but it doesn't come out too great.

Well, that's the risk when you follow... and Marylin has (admittedly) borrowed from the best: Raymond Watts, Trent Reznor, Ministry, Bowie.

I agree, the market is tending towards Radio Friendly Unit Shifters - and that is hurting any attempts at subversion.

I hate to say it, but his most subversive and counter-cultural move since "Portrait of an American Family", is that brief cameo in an Eminem video...

I've always wondered why everybody, instead of disliking them, actively hates them.
I'm just like, "Meh, I don't like them."
I'm with you, but that could be just because I'm too lazy to actively hate anyone.

Whoa...
I never noticed they had more than one drummer, so I guess you have a really good point there.

Well, they have one drummer, one guy that sits behind a drum set. The other guy just bangs on random shit and calls himself a percussionist.

They have two percussionists, yet the drum lines are incredibly mundane. With two percussionists, they should be doing some really imaginative stuff, but they do not. As a drummer, this offends me.

Yeah, point.

I heard that on some songs one of the percussionists uses trash cans instead of drums though. I dunno. I have a couple of copied slipknot CDs hiding here somewhere but I can't be bothered finding them...do you blame me? :p

I hate to say it, but his most subversive and counter-cultural move since "Portrait of an American Family", is that brief cameo in an Eminem video...
Hehe, I bet he was surprised when Wal-Mart wouldn't carry Eminem's lcd, but they still carried Holy Wood.
:D

They have two percussionists, yet the drum lines are incredibly mundane. With two percussionists, they should be doing some really imaginative stuff, but they do not. As a drummer, this offends me.

Does this mean you love the early 90's incarnation of Ministry? The Evil Mothers? MOST of the touring line-ups for Pigface?

Actually - I have Slipknot with 4 of the members as nominal "drummers"... and I agree, they are certainly NOT capitalising on what should, therefore, be an incredible percussion section.

Sad, yes... but insanity-provoking?

Does this mean you love the early 90's incarnation of Ministry? The Evil Mothers? MOST of the touring line-ups for Pigface?

Actually - I have Slipknot with 4 of the members as nominal "drummers"... and I agree, they are certainly NOT capitalising on what should, therefore, be an incredible percussion section.

Sad, yes... but insanity-provoking?

I have not heard of Evil Mothers or Pigface, sorry. What genre are we looking at here, because I can be quite selective.

Okay, I apologize to all Led Zeppelin fans that I may have offended. Kanabia and I are just the two most likely to remind everyone how great Led Zeppelin is in any thread even remotely dealing with music, and we've been doing it for a while, too.

Apology accept :D

BTW, I've noticed ya'lls posts in support of Bonneham and the Boys and this thread inspired me to put on II - Love "What is and What Should Never Be."

Yeah, point.

I heard that on some songs one of the percussionists uses trash cans instead of drums though. I dunno. I have a couple of copied slipknot CDs hiding here somewhere but I can't be bothered finding them...do you blame me? :p

You make that sound like a bad thing...

Some of my very favourite music uses just such 'found sound' percussion - I would STRONGLY advocate anyone should listen to Einsturzende Neubauten - especially the "Malediction" disk, and the "Tabula Rasa" album.

And, if you can find it, their song "Salamandrina", for which a large part of the 'percussion' is created by pouring sand.

William Shatner. His rendition of Mr. Tambourine Man shaped the world of music in a way no one will ever imagine.

Apology accept :D

BTW, I've noticed ya'lls posts in support of Bonneham and the Boys and this thread inspired me to put on II - Love "What is and What Should Never Be."

Currently listening to "Good Times Bad Times." Up next: "Houses of the Holy."

You make that sound like a bad thing...

Nah, not my intention. It's creative, if probably done many times before. Though I don't see why they need an extra member. They could dub it over on records, and live, noone would miss him.

William Shatner. His rendition of Mr. Tambourine Man shaped the world of music in a way no one will ever imagine.

ROFLMAO!!!

Eminem, RUN-DMC, Grateful Dead, Beatles, Rolling Stones, Skip James, Johnny Cash, Red Hot Chili Peppers, and all the other bands listed before this post, and every band that supports Satanism!

Posted by Satanist, Lord Medivh

Oooh, Johnny Cash. Good call.

I have not heard of Evil Mothers or Pigface, sorry. What genre are we looking at here, because I can be quite selective.

Evil Mothers are, basically, an industrial outfit - but with some fantastic percussion work buried in there (I'm thinking of tracks like "Orisha", which is an almost industrial approach to tribal drumming).

Pigface - it's hard to define. The line-up changes every tour, and every album. Some of it is metal, some techno, some ambient. A revision of the list of past alumni might give you an idea - Flea, David Yow of Jesus Lizard, Lesley Rankin of Silverfish, Frank Black of the Pixies, Trent Reznor, En Esch of KMFDM, Michael Gira of The Swans... the ONLY constant member is Martin Atkins.

Evil Mothers are, basically, an industrial outfit - but with some fantastic percussion work buried in there (I'm thinking of tracks like "Orisha", which is an almost industrial approach to tribal drumming).

Pigface - it's hard to define. The line-up changes every tour, and every album. Some of it is metal, some techno, some ambient. A revision of the list of past alumni might give you an idea - Flea, David Yow of Jesus Lizard, Lesley Rankin of Silverfish, Frank Black of the Pixies, Trent Reznor, En Esch of KMFDM, Michael Gira of The Swans... the ONLY constant member is Martin Atkins.

Wow. I can't imagine Frank Black and Trent Reznor doing anything together.

William Shatner. His rendition of Mr. Tambourine Man shaped the world of music in a way no one will ever imagine.

hang on a second you could argue that, but how would he of been able to shape the musical world with no lyrics. you need to get your priorities straight Bob Dylan deserves far more praise.
im only 14 and i know that.

Eminem, RUN-DMC, Grateful Dead, Beatles, Rolling Stones, Skip James, Johnny Cash, Red Hot Chili Peppers, and all the other bands listed before this post, and every band that supports Satanism!

Posted by Satanist, Lord Medivh

Does this mean that you're not a "Stairway to Heaven" fan?

Nah, not my intention. It's creative, if probably done many times before. Though I don't see why they need an extra member. They could dub it over on records, and live, noone would miss him.

To be honest... apart from a relatively uninspiring singer, there isn't MUCH to miss about Slipknot, at all.

What they DO have in their favour, is a 'performance'... and that is what they sell, and that explains why a guy in a clown suit, hitting his head against trashcans, is in the lineup.

They are Alice Cooper, for a more cynical and unshockable generation.

To be honest... apart from a relatively uninspiring singer, there isn't MUCH to miss about Slipknot, at all.

What they DO have in their favour, is a 'performance'... and that is what they sell, and that explains why a guy in a clown suit, hitting his head against trashcans, is in the lineup.

They are Alice Cooper, for a more cynical and unshockable generation.

They still suck. Two percussionists!

To be honest... apart from a relatively uninspiring singer, there isn't MUCH to miss about Slipknot, at all.

What they DO have in their favour, is a 'performance'... and that is what they sell, and that explains why a guy in a clown suit, hitting his head against trashcans, is in the lineup.

They are Alice Cooper, for a more cynical and unshockable generation.
Agreed

im back, and what a nice thread to find.

as for my picks:

i would say kurt cobain, because of his pure feeling and angst put into every song, and their all sorta spacy but not to cryptic... all in all, he is my favorite writer ever.

i also like black frances/frank black.. he has so many hidden meaning and creative thoughts in his songs. genius, that guy.

layne staley/jerry cantrell - they write songs that i can relate to, with so much emotion. helps with the addition of staleys voice and cantrell helping at the end of the lines, sounds perfect.

there are many others, but i figure three is enough for the moment.

Wow. I can't imagine Frank Black and Trent Reznor doing anything together.

Same tour - didn't appear on the same tracks.

But, yes... that is the appeal of Pigface.

The downside is, some find it inaccesible, since it spans so many bases... I have played Pigface to people before, and seen their ears jump up when they recognise someone in the mix... but at the end of it they say things like, "I WANT to like it, but I don't know how".

(That IS an actual quote encountered...) :)

Evil Mothers are, basically, an industrial outfit - but with some fantastic percussion work buried in there (I'm thinking of tracks like "Orisha", which is an almost industrial approach to tribal drumming).

Pigface - it's hard to define. The line-up changes every tour, and every album. Some of it is metal, some techno, some ambient. A revision of the list of past alumni might give you an idea - Flea, David Yow of Jesus Lizard, Lesley Rankin of Silverfish, Frank Black of the Pixies, Trent Reznor, En Esch of KMFDM, Michael Gira of The Swans... the ONLY constant member is Martin Atkins.
Ooh!
The Swans were awesome. Unfortunately, I seem to have lost the one album of theirs I own and can't find any of their stuff around here.

As an aside, does anybody know if the CD that Jarboe and Neurosis did together is any good?

tubular bells is pretty mind blowing

They are Alice Cooper, for a more cynical and unshockable generation.

Except he's actually good. :p

Oh, and *puts on Led Zep III*

They still suck. Two percussionists!

It isn't 'two percussionists' that's the problem though... it's 'two percussionists' and then not USING two percussionists.

For me, with Ministry, the HIGHPOINT of the "Mind is a Terrible Thing to Taste" era tour, was dual drummers... ESPECIALLY on tracks like "New World Order"... yum.

tubular bells is pretty mind blowing

I have that somewhere.

Except he's actually good. :p

Oh, and *puts on Led Zep III*

Aye, but 'being good' wasn't what 'sold' him.

That's the point I was aiming for... :)

Ah...That song was the first I learned to play on guitar by ear. I sat down, and before I knew i'd done it, I had the main riff. :D

heh, strangly enough, that was the first song i learned by ear.. simple yet awesome as hell.

*grins* Yeah, it seems that way sometimes. They're probably hiding somewhere though.

heh, i just wasnt online.. i happen to be a huge zepplin fan.

Except he's actually good. :p

Oh, and *puts on Led Zep III*

I'm on Kashmir. I have a playlist going of all the Zeppelin albums I own, randomized. That way I get the full experience.

Aye, but 'being good' wasn't what 'sold' him.

That's the point I was aiming for... :)

True enough. I'll actually be seeing Slipknot live this Sunday. It's like a festival thingy, but they're not the main drawcard for me. :p

*maybe* they are worth their salt live. I'll see.

heh, strangly enough, that was the first song i learned by ear.. simple yet awesome as hell.

Cool, and we're both Nirvana fans too. Freaky. :D

I'm on Kashmir. I have a playlist going of all the Zeppelin albums I own, randomized. That way I get the full experience.

That's a good idea...though I don't have a disc changer or enough space on my computer for all of those MP3's. Ah well. :)

That's a good idea...though I don't have a disc changer or enough space on my computer for all of those MP3's. Ah well. :)

Yeah, the benefits of a brand new computer. 160GB.

*drools*

Yeah, the benefits of a brand new computer. 160GB.

*drools*
that's it? no 4 TB for you?

that's it? no 4 TB for you?

Heh, no. I didn't need that brand new of a computer.

Yeah, the benefits of a brand new computer. 160GB.

*drools*

Meh, i'll have one in a couple of weeks. Then i'll be broke and have to save up for that new guitar amp.

Ah, i'm such a consumerist. :p

Heh, no. I didn't need that brand new of a computer.
fair enough, i'm only running 40 GB myself.


but 768 MB Raam (W00t!)

Ooh!
The Swans were awesome. Unfortunately, I seem to have lost the one album of theirs I own and can't find any of their stuff around here.

As an aside, does anybody know if the CD that Jarboe and Neurosis did together is any good?

I can't REALLY recall - most of my album collection being nearly 4000 miles away at the moment. The 'solo' project "Jarboe", was pretty.. I think the Neurosis project struck me as somewhere between "Girls Against Boys" and "Christian Death". ( I think, that's a 'yes' :) )

I recall that the Gira-driven Swans sideproject "Angels of Light" was awesome - much like classic Swans

I'm on Kashmir. I have a playlist going of all the Zeppelin albums I own, randomized. That way I get the full experience.

hey... thats a good idea. how come i didnt think of that? i have a ton on my computer so i usually just pick a bunch i feel like listening to.

Cool, and we're both Nirvana fans too. Freaky. :D

well the only answer is that you have good taste in music :p

fair enough, i'm only running 40 GB myself.


but 768 MB Raam (W00t!)

You're still using megabytes of RAM? How 10 minutes ago.

True enough. I'll actually be seeing Slipknot live this Sunday. It's like a festival thingy, but they're not the main drawcard for me. :p

*maybe* they are worth their salt live. I'll see.


And, shall we all now be expecting a "Reviewing Slipknot" thread? :)

well the only answer is that you have good taste in music :p

Hehe, thanks. :D

Meh, i'll have one in a couple of weeks. Then i'll be broke and have to save up for that new guitar amp.

Ah, i'm such a consumerist. :p

what kind of amp do you have now?

And, shall we all now be expecting a "Reviewing Slipknot" thread? :)

Sure, why not. :p

what kind of amp do you have now?

It's a 15w practice amp. A good brand (Laney) but simply tiny. I'm looking for a 50w or so tube amp.

I played acoustic for a couple of years before picking up my electric, see. :)

You're still using megabytes of RAM? How 10 minutes ago.
I'm sorry, I don't have the time or money to update my computer every 30 seconds.

well the only answer is that you have good taste in music :p
And then there's me, a totally different story. I'm what you'd get if you took your standard goth, slipped two tabs of MDMA into her food, then made her listen to bunch of Elliot Smith and the Flaming Lips, all of this while at a punk festival.

Basically, I listen to almost anything somebody throws at me. Unless it's terrible, which is the case about 3/4 of the time nowadays.

It's a 15w practice amp. A good brand (Laney) but simply tiny. I'm looking for a 50w or so tube amp.

I played acoustic for a couple of years before picking up my electric, see. :)
Ha, I'm rocking one of those tiny Roland Cube 15w things. It's actually not bad compared to my old one, which was a piece-of-shit Crate that was just the epitome of terrible. But I wanna get something that actually sounds lean and mean, instead of weak and tinny.

I suck badly enough without my amp sounding shitty to make me sound worse.
:D

Basically, I listen to almost anything somebody throws at me. Unless it's terrible, which is the case about 3/4 of the time nowadays.

3/4th of todays music is good? my, your being generous.

and you were in that thread naming nirvana songs with me, so you get points for that

Ha, I'm rocking one of those tiny Roland Cube 15w things. It's actually not bad compared to my old one, which was a piece-of-shit Crate that was just the epitome of terrible. But I wanna get something that actually sounds lean and mean, instead of weak and tinny.

heh, you should do what i do - become intrested in pseudo-art feedback noise jams and anything you do will sound "good" to an open minded person.

i have been lucky enough to be blessed with a "guy" who can get me cool stuff cheap, so i have a nice marshal.. and you still probably sound better then me.

I'm sorry, I don't have the time or money to update my computer every 30 seconds.

Haha. I feel sorry for you.

Haha. I feel sorry for you.
yeah, well I have better things to spend my money on.
Like my $35,000 tuition!

3/4th of todays music is good? my, your being generous.
No, I meant 3/4 of it is junk.

yeah, well I have better things to spend my money on.
Like my $35,000 tuition!

Bah. That's how I got the money for my new computer, student loan excess.

Bah. That's how I got the money for my new computer, student loan excess.

Yeah, Student loans are only paying for 1/2 my tuition.

Sure, why not. :p

My last real experience with Slipknot was a few years ago, and I admit I had pretty much lost interest.

They were directionless and far too focused on packaging.

In effect, they were Britney Spears - in a jumpsuit. (Well, 9 jumpsuits).

I did recently hear (what I assume is) a new Slipknot single, and it sparked some interest, certain elements being ALMOST reminiscent of Chuck Mosely era "Faith No More" - so, perhaps they have 'evolved'.

No, I meant 3/4 of it is junk.

errr.. thats what i meant to say.. let me try again.

3/4th of todays music is junk? my, your being generous..

damn failed attempts at sarcasm.

As the complete antithesis to everything Slipknot accomplishes percussion-wise: "Moby Dick" just came on my playlist.

In effect, they were Britney Spears - in a jumpsuit. (Well, 9 jumpsuits).
Hee.
That brought to mind an absolutely hilarious mental image...
:p

certain elements being ALMOST reminiscent of Chuck Mosely era "Faith No More" - so, perhaps they have 'evolved'.

Was he before or after "King for a Day, Fool For A Lifetime"? That's the only album of theres I have and he's not credited. It rocks though :D

My last real experience with Slipknot was a few years ago, and I admit I had pretty much lost interest.

They were directionless and far too focused on packaging.

In effect, they were Britney Spears - in a jumpsuit. (Well, 9 jumpsuits).

I did recently hear (what I assume is) a new Slipknot single, and it sparked some interest, certain elements being ALMOST reminiscent of Chuck Mosely era "Faith No More" - so, perhaps they have 'evolved'.

Agreed, saw them at Leeds Festival a few years ago (2002)...even on of my mates who is/was a huge fan was extremely dissappointed. Its like, "oh wow you can jump around...yeah thats right, use your head as a drum stick...ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz whu?!? they finished? WOOHOO!" :D

They were after Incubus too, so their relaxed set followed by Slipknot was a bad plan really...

...and they were followed by The Offspring...who know how to make a crowd enjoy themselves.

...and they were followed by The Offspring...who know how to make a crowd enjoy themselves.

saved by the offspring. not a huge fan personally, but i bet their concerts kick all sortsa ass.

saved by the offspring. not a huge fan personally, but i bet their concerts kick all sortsa ass.

Smash was awesome...probably the same story for their earlier stuff...but anything after it sucked. The worlds biggest sell-out band.

Smash was awesome...probably the same story for their earlier stuff...but anything after it sucked. The worlds biggest sell-out band.

Well, it matters not whether they sold out or not...they rocked, they entertained and the crowd were up for it. Made Slipknot look like complete muppets :D shame that!

Smash was awesome...probably the same story for their earlier stuff...but anything after it sucked. The worlds biggest sell-out band.

yeah, i cant stand to listen to "hit that"... brings a tear to my eye.

Well, it matters not whether they sold out or not...they rocked, they entertained and the crowd were up for it. Made Slipknot look like complete muppets :D shame that!

Meh. I suppose by comparison I know who I'd probably enjoy more. :p

yeah, i cant stand to listen to "hit that"... brings a tear to my eye.

Compared to a song like Self Esteem...yeah. :(

Meh. I suppose by comparison I know who I'd probably enjoy more. :p

To be honest i would've like to have seen Slipknot in a concert hall, where the stage was dedicated to that band. They might be better, and they aren't trying to be all things to all people, unlike offspring, who are pretty much a good bet at any festival.

Compared to a song like Self Esteem...yeah. :(

we shouldve seen it coming with "pretty fly for a white guy."

Was he before or after "King for a Day, Fool For A Lifetime"? That's the only album of theres I have and he's not credited. It rocks though :D

Oh, long, LONG before King For A Day - which was about where FNM and I parted company, to be honest.

"KFAD,FFAL" was the start of mass appeal for FNM, and the loss of much of their identity. If you LIKE FNM, you should try picking up "Angel Dust" next, I suggest... and continue working chronologically backwards till you dfind something you don't like.

A sadly forgotten band, and the inspiration for much creativity... Dub War, Skindred, Mushroomhead, Mudvayne... all take leaves from the FNM book.

Compared to a song like Self Esteem...yeah. :(

And Self Esteem was just Offsprings version of Nirvana "About a Girl"...

I think that "Come Out and Play", and "Bad Habit" are the tracks by which modern Offspring should be measured.. and, against which, they are found sadly lacking.

Oh, long, LONG before King For A Day - which was about where FNM and I parted company, to be honest.

"KFAD,FFAL" was the start of mass appeal for FNM, and the loss of much of their identity. If you LIKE FNM, you should try picking up "Angel Dust" next, I suggest... and continue working chronologically backwards till you dfind something you don't like.

A sadly forgotten band, and the inspiration for much creativity... Dub War, Skindred, Mushroomhead, Mudvayne... all take leaves from the FNM book.

Yeah. I've heard some of their later stuff and it doesn't inspire much, so i figured it was probably earlier. Just starting to get into them myself. I used to think they were crap until i heard KFAD which was a pleasant surprise. :)

we shouldve seen it coming with "pretty fly for a white guy."

I did, believe me :p

And Self Esteem was just Offsprings version of Nirvana "About a Girl"...

I think that "Come Out and Play", and "Bad Habit" are the tracks by which modern Offspring should be measured.. and, against which, they are found sadly lacking.

Yeah, true.

That whole album is awesome. I don't think there's a real dud song on it.

Yeah, true.

That whole album is awesome. I don't think there's a real dud song on it.

yeah, your right.. now what have we got? splinter. pshh

Yeah, true.

That whole album is awesome. I don't think there's a real dud song on it.

True - it was a great album.

Which makes everything that came after so... depressing.

Okay - "Pretty Fly" would have been okay if it was the ONE 'light relief' moment... rather than the indicator for a career.

Wasn't Smash the most successful independent album ever as well?

I may be thinking of something else though.

Tom Lehrer

depending on your mood, Van Morrison's earlier songs are lyrical works of genius. But Lennon/McCartney are probably the winners.

Tom Lehrer

Poisoning pigeons in the park! stupidly funny songs written by a master :)