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Sure, why not? If marijuana can't be legal, why should tobacco be legal?

Tobacco doesnt make you high, numbnuts

No, let people smoke their lungs out (in their own home, not in public where it affects the rest of us).
If they're too stupid to realize that it'll kill them, the world is better off without them.

Hell no. This should've been a new poll.

I suppose it's hypocritical to legislate against one harmful substance and not another...

Hell no. No drug should be legislated against.

Tobacco doesnt make you high, numbnuts
There is no need to flame me. How utterly infantile.

besides, Marijuana doesn't make you high. It depends on how long you hold the smoke for and how you intake the smoke...

marijuana makes people stupid. cigarettes make people cough. both kill people due to lung crap. which is worse?

sorry, numbnuts is a funny word, and i couldnt resist.

marijuana makes you high. i've been with my cousin before when hes done it. it makes you stupid. he didnt recognize his own cousin while he was high. he tries to do stupid crap like lifting 300 lbs of weights, and he ended dropping them.

bottom line, marijuana makes you stupid.

marijuana makes people stupid. cigarettes make people cough. both kill people due to lung crap. which is worse?
Marijuana does NOT make people stupid.

Also, when people first start smoking tobacco, the plant does make them high. Very high. So, please, don't give me any infantile remarks about how it doesn't make you high.

Yes, once you've grown accustomed to it, it no longer affects you, but even still, tobacco IS a drug and it can make you high if you are not used to it.

Geez, you've really been forcefed a lot of crap from the War on Drugs propoganda trough.

marijuana makes people stupid. cigarettes make people cough. both kill people due to lung crap. which is worse?



HUH?

sorry, numbnuts is a funny word, and i couldnt resist.

marijuana makes you high. i've been with my cousin before when hes done it. it makes you stupid. he didnt recognize his own cousin while he was high. he tries to do stupid crap like lifting 300 lbs of weights, and he ended dropping them.

bottom line, marijuana makes you stupid.

Your cousin sounds stupid, but are you sure it was the marijuana?

Marijuana does NOT make people stupid.

Geez, you've really been forcefed a lot of crap from the War on Drugs propoganda trough.

ive been around high people. yes, they are stupid. they do stupid things. they act stupid. they talk stupidly.

Your cousin sounds stupid, but are you sure it was the marijuana?

i was with him all night. he wasnt on anything else

i was with him all night. he wasnt on anything else

And, you are certain all he had was marijuana? Nothing else?

ive been around high people. yes, they are stupid. they do stupid things. they act stupid. they talk stupidly.
I know plenty of marijuana smokers and they are fairly intelligent people. Besides, the affect of marijuana on the individual person depends on the potency of the stash you have.

I smoke it and I have yet to do something stupid (that I've been told of). Besides, last I checked, having cravings for salty food and being giddy didn't constitute being stupid.

It is someones own choice if they smoke. I choose not to. However, I think smoking in some places should be illegal. I choose not to smoke, but every time I walk out the main door to my dorm, I get about a packs worth of smoke per breath.

he smoked a nickel bag of pot. no alcohol, no other drugs. straight pot.

I know plenty of marijuana smokers and they are fairly intelligent people. Besides, the affect of marijuana on the individual person depends on the potency of the stash you have.

I smoke it and I have yet to do something stupid (that I've been told of). Besides, last I checked, having cravings for salty food and being giddy didn't constitute being stupid.

dropping weights on the floor because he thought he could lift them is stupid. not recognizing your family (and giving the finger to his own cousin for a matter of a fact) is stupid. slurring speech and talking incohrantly is stupid.

he smoked a nickel bag of pot. no alcohol, no other drugs. straight pot.

Huh. Because you know, there is no physiological reason for a pot user to develop delusion or hallucinations. Its not a dissociative or hallucinogen. Plus, theres a whole lot of people who smoke pot and DONT feel compelled to impress people by dropping weights on themselves... and there are a lot of people who don't smoke pot, who do stupid things.

Bottom line, some people are stupid, and stupid people smoking pot will continue to be stupid.

dropping weights on the floor because he thought he could lift them is stupid. not recognizing your family (and giving the finger to his own cousin for a matter of a fact) is stupid. slurring speech and talking incohrantly is stupid.
Are you sure he wasn't stupid to begin with?

I mean, I give the finger to my cousin when we're talking and she says something to me I disagree with. It's very straight to the point,

Lack of sleep, food etc can also make a person intoxicated.

So, how long had you been with him that day?

Huh. Because you know, there is no physiological reason for a pot user to develop delusion or hallucinations. Its not a dissociative or hallucinogen. Plus, theres a whole lot of people who smoke pot and DONT feel compelled to impress people by dropping weights on themselves... and there are a lot of people who don't smoke pot, who do stupid things.

Bottom line, some people are stupid, and stupid people smoking pot will continue to be stupid.
what ive been trying to say is... pot has ruined my cousins life. He smokes four times a day. once in the morning, once during school, once when he gets out of school and once before he goes to bed.

he's addicted. he can't pay attention in school without it. he cant sleep without it. hes failing school, hes spending all his money on pot. everyone recognizes him as the family idiot. before he started, he was a star player on the football team. he always made the deans list. he was active at church. he was a great kid. now, hes a pothead party-animal with no future unless he stops, and quick.

Are you sure he wasn't stupid to begin with?
see my previous post

I mean, I give the finger to my cousin when we're talking and she says something to me I disagree with. It's very straight to the point,
after my other cousin walked out he said "who the hell was that?"

Lack of sleep, food etc can also make a person intoxicated.
he eats and sleeps normally.

So, how long had you been with him that day?
all day. from the time we woke up till the time he went to bed.

If you're an idiot, pot will make you more so.

If you're an asshole same thing.

If you're smart, it can help your focus.

If you're talented, it can be inspirational.

I don't think any low level drugs ought to be illegal. I think they should be regulated and taxed. This way the profit would be taken out of crime, and anyone that got stupid and died from their habit would be the hell out of the gene pool.

SCORE!

Huh. Because you know, there is no physiological reason for a pot user to develop delusion or hallucinations. Its not a dissociative or hallucinogen.
His behaviour sounds a bit like when people get handed a joint with a little bit of PCP on it...
Slurring words, abnormal behaviour, disconnection from reality...
Phencyclidine will do that to you in low doses.

Maybe someone spiked his nickel bag?

It's a psychological, not a physical addiction.

Tobacco however, constitutes a physical addiction. There is a BIG difference there.

Yes, an excessive amount of anything can ruin a person's life, at which point they become an addict and no longer a recreational user.

You are unfair to compare a recreational user of marijuana to an addict of the same substance. There is a world of difference.

what ive been trying to say is... pot has ruined my cousins life. He smokes four times a day. once in the morning, once during school, once when he gets out of school and once before he goes to bed.

he's addicted. he can't pay attention in school without it. he cant sleep without it. hes failing school, hes spending all his money on pot. everyone recognizes him as the family idiot. before he started, he was a star player on the football team. he always made the deans list. he was active at church. he was a great kid. now, hes a pothead party-animal with no future unless he stops, and quick.

Sounds like hes got problems and that blaming pot is an excuse - for you and for him. Its the problem with drug abuse in general. People get weird about addictions and treat them as diseases which the person inflicted has no choice about, like they become hapless slaves with no free will! Thats BS, a cop out that will only become a self fulfilling prophesy if you believe that.

There is personal responsibility in life. Its his decision to smoke constantly and fail in school, etc. The pot didn't make him do it. If it wasnt pot, it'd be alcohol, or obsession with washing hands, or something. If you ask me, it sounds like he had huge expectations heaped on him by his family, and he burned out quickly (as is often the case in that situation) and now you and your family treat him like an idiot. Well you'll never help him that way. If you believe him to be stupid and weak and slave to a drug, chances are he'll think that too, and nothing will change. If you believe people DO have a choice, convince him to make the choice you believe is right, and challenge him to find the willpower to do it.

Don't just berate him and blame a passive plant for everything. That gets nowhere.

That's my friendly advice.

what ive been trying to say is... pot has ruined my cousins life. He smokes four times a day. once in the morning, once during school, once when he gets out of school and once before he goes to bed.

he's addicted. he can't pay attention in school without it. he cant sleep without it. hes failing school, hes spending all his money on pot. everyone recognizes him as the family idiot. before he started, he was a star player on the football team. he always made the deans list. he was active at church. he was a great kid. now, hes a pothead party-animal with no future unless he stops, and quick.
Well, marijuana is not physically addictive. Cigarettes and alcohol are far worse than pot.

His behaviour sounds a bit like when people get handed a joint with a little bit of PCP on it...
Slurring words, abnormal behaviour, disconnection from reality...
Phencyclidine will do that to you in low doses.

Maybe someone spiked his nickel bag?
he got a $5 nickel bag from the ghettos of fitzgerald, ga. hes always like that when he smokes.

I have another friend at school who gets really paranoid when he smokes.

I think all the potheads i know are stupid.

His behaviour sounds a bit like when people get handed a joint with a little bit of PCP on it...
Slurring words, abnormal behaviour, disconnection from reality...
Phencyclidine will do that to you in low doses.

Maybe someone spiked his nickel bag?

Possible.

But then its PCP, not pot thats the real problem...

Well, marijuana is not physically addictive. Cigarettes and alcohol are far worse than pot.

He ain't "normal" without it... without it, he gets withdrawl. yes, he is mentally addicted.

he got a $5 nickel bag from the ghettos of fitzgerald, ga. hes always like that when he smokes.

I have another friend at school who gets really paranoid when he smokes.

I think all the potheads i know are stupid.
Hmm, I know some potheads that are geniuses.

One of my uncles went through college smoking 2-3 times per day, and did all sorts of other drugs. He still managed to get through with flying colors, and he now has a high-level job in some bank in California. He plays bass. and he's an absolute genius with it. He programs in C++ in his spare time. And on top of it, he still smokes about once every one or two days.



You see, anecdotal evidence doesn't work. You can come up with some that supports you, I can come up with some that supports me, but it don't prove a thing.

Well, marijuana is not physically addictive. Cigarettes and alcohol are far worse than pot.
Testify!

It's nice to know not everyone is brainwashed into believing that marijuana is the epitome of evil drugs, when there are worse things out there.

I smoke pot, but, there are times when if I don't have a stash of Mary Jane, I don't care if I don't have any. Or, even right now, I have a small stash, but I don't feel the need to have any.

I like it on weekends... Sort of a way to relax and enjoy a little pleasure.

Possible.

But then its PCP, not pot thats the real problem...
Ja, I was just saying one thing that could have been a possibility there.

Tobacco should remain legal and I am in favor of ending prohibition.

Funny thing is I do not use any of those substances I do not even drink alcohol. I just want to dispose of the blackmarket.

He ain't "normal" without it... without it, he gets withdrawl. yes, he is mentally addicted.
Then you can't compare it to tobacco which is physically addictive.

Hmm, I know some potheads that are geniuses.

One of my uncles went through college smoking 2-3 times per day, and did all sorts of other drugs. He still managed to get through with flying colors, and he now has a high-level job in some bank in California. He plays bass. and he's an absolute genius with it. He programs in C++ in his spare time. And on top of it, he still smokes about once every one or two days.



You see, anecdotal evidence doesn't work. You can come up with some that supports you, I can come up with some that supports me, but it don't prove a thing.

pot makes some people smart, but at the same time others stupid. so why should pot be legalized if it had adverse mental effects and incapacitates some people (like my cousin)?
cigarettes dont make you smart or stupid. they just kill your lungs.

...thats the dfference

Then you can't compare it to tobacco which is physically addictive.
i can compare it to tobacco because:
-they're both addictive. addictive being the key word, not mentally or physically.
-you smoke them both
-they both hurt your health
-there is controversy involving both

no tobacco should not be illegal

while were on the subject, neither should marijuana

Tobacco should remain legal and I am in favor of ending prohibition.

Funny thing is I do not use any of those substances I do not even drink alcohol. I just want to dispose of the blackmarket.
sorry to bust your bubble, but it's 2004, not 1924.

pot makes some people smart, but at the same time others stupid. so why should pot be legalized if it had adverse mental effects and incapacitates some people (like my cousin)?
cigarettes dont make you smart or stupid. they just kill your lungs.

...thats the dfference
Why should alcohol be legal then? It makes plenty of people do bad things, and it's worse than pot.

How 'bout money? It causes more death and hardship than anything else in the US, I bet. It incapacitates plenty of people when they get shot in a hold-up. And it certainly has adverse mental effects for those "addicted" to it.

On top of that, what should give you the right to tell other people whether or not they get to screw up their bodies? If I wanna be a heroin junkie, I will. Why should you be able to make me not be one?

i can compare it to tobacco because:
-they're both addictive. addictive being the key word, not mentally or physically.
Anything can be mentally addictive. Chocolate, sports, television, running, computer games, music, etc.
-you smoke them both
So what?
-they both hurt your health
One less than the other.
-there is controversy involving both
Okay, so what?

Why should alcohol be legal then? It makes plenty of people do bad things, and it's worse than pot.

How 'bout money? It causes more death and hardship than anything else in the US, I bet. It incapacitates plenty of people when they get shot in a hold-up. And it certainly has adverse mental effects for those "addicted" to it.

On top of that, what should give you the right to tell other people whether or not they get to screw up their bodies? If I wanna be a heroin junkie, I will. Why should you be able to make me not be one?
nice one. i'm a bit too dull to think of a rebuttal to that one right now.

money: that aint illegal because its needed to buy stuff. we dont barter anymore.

if you wanna screw up your body, go for it. sucks for you when you die early. just dont put other people in jeopardy when youre hi

Its bad enough that I can't smoke the green stuff whenever I want...but if tobacco involved as much of a hassle...i think i would go crazy....

*throws on coat and sprints outside to puff on marlboro*

Anything can be mentally addictive. Chocolate, sports, television, running, computer games, music, etc.

So what?

One less than the other.

Okay, so what?

pot and tobacco are a lot alike. one makes you high, one doesnt. there you go. i can compare them now.

its like comparing zima and bud. theyre both beer. one makes you drunk, the other doesnt

if you wanna screw up your body, go for it. sucks for you when you die early. just dont put other people in jeopardy when youre hi
Well, you didn't respond to the point about why you should be allowed to decided what's illegal.

sorry to bust your bubble, but it's 2004, not 1924.

Not sure where you live but it is 2005 here. And prohibition has never been completely ended.

Its bad enough that I can't smoke the green stuff whenever I want...but if tobacco involved as much of a hassle...i think i would go crazy....

*throws on coat and sprints outside to puff on marlboro*
dont tempt me....

im having a hard time quitting :(

Well, you didn't respond to the point about why you should be allowed to decided what's illegal.
i didnt quite understand that.

if im writing about what i tihnk youre trying to say... we can decide whats illegal on the basis of whether or not it has adverse effects. pot is illegal cuz it makes you hi. chocolate isnt cuz its tasty.

man, its 10:30 and im fading fast.

dont tempt me....

im having a hard time quitting :(

Sorry...

Not sure where you live but it is 2005 here. And prohibition has never been completely ended.
ahh crap. i keep writing 2004 on my papers at school too. im so dull right now. i need sleep.

i can compare it to tobacco because:
This will be amusing...

-they're both addictive. addictive being the key word, not mentally or physically.
Now here's where we run into a bit of a problem - while people are easily addicted to tobacco due to its physically addictive properties, the mental addictiveness of marijuana doesn't always play a part in one's choice to smoke it. So, it's a per-user basis with the mental aspect.

-you smoke them both
No...you can also use marijuana stems to make tea! So you don't have to smoke it to get high.

-they both hurt your health
Marijuana doesn't nearly as much. It is also proven to have medicinal benfits that tobacco lacks.

-there is controversy involving both
Only because of the War on Drugs - thank you very much Richard Nixon!

Sorry...
ah fuck it, im off for a smoke

i didnt quite understand that.

if im writing about what i tihnk youre trying to say... we can decide whats illegal on the basis of whether or not it has adverse effects. pot is illegal cuz it makes you hi. chocolate isnt cuz its tasty.

man, its 10:30 and im fading fast.
You know what?
It's kinda funny we're debating chocolate vs. pot. There was that report recently about chocolate containing chemicals a lot like the THC in marijuana, which makes it ironic we're debating between the two.
:D

i didnt quite understand that.

if im writing about what i tihnk youre trying to say... we can decide whats illegal on the basis of whether or not it has adverse effects. pot is illegal cuz it makes you hi. chocolate isnt cuz its tasty.

man, its 10:30 and im fading fast.
See, you don't have to smoke Marijuana to say stupid things. By writing here while you're falling asleep, you are proving that lack of sleep can do the same thing as marijuana.

No...you can also use marijuana stems to make tea! So you don't have to smoke it to get high.


WHOA! thats pretty cool. i didnt know that.

WHOA! thats pretty cool. i didnt know that.
See, marijuana isn't all that bad. However, you need a lot of stems for it, that's the only downside.

I think that smoking should be legal, but not in any public places, indoors or outdoors.

Execute anyone who violates this law on the spot.

but that can be fixed with sleep, caffiene or phsical activity. If i got up and got my blood flowing and back to being alert, i'd be just as normal as usual.

you cant just say... eh im done being high. back to being normal.

See, marijuana isn't all that bad. However, you need a lot of stems for it, that's the only downside.
heh its bad if its unsweet. since i live in the south, tea has to be sweet ^_^

but that can be fixed with sleep
so can being high

heh its bad if its unsweet. since i live in the south, tea has to be sweet ^_^
Some tea is good without sweetner, especially Green Tea.

But, adding honey makes tea nicer, especially mint tea. But, I take my tea straight (unlike my coffee which has to be black with double sugar - no double double). And a coffee and donoughnut is always nice after a joint. ^_^

so can being high
but i can fix my sleepiness right now. almost instantly. i can run around the house and get blood in my brain. right now im lazing in front of my computer growing duller.

but that can be fixed with sleep, caffiene or phsical activity. If i got up and got my blood flowing and back to being alert, i'd be just as normal as usual.

you cant just say... eh im done being high. back to being normal.
I can make myself high by drinking Diet Pepsi and spinning in circles. *smirk* and then decide when I'm doing being high!

All we need is another Prohbition! It didn't work the last time with alcohol, and it wouldn't work this time with tobacco.

The best option is to restrict tobacco from being used in public buildings, malls and other places where people congregate, and leave the rest up to individual businesses and organizations.

Tobacco doesnt make you high, numbnuts

Okay, as a smoker of both weed and cigarettes.

1. Tobacco does give you a buzz. It can be considered a three-minute high.
2. Neither should be illegal, its our body, our right to trash it if we want. The only place I agree on banning smoking is indoors, just because it makes whatever building you're in smell like crap.
3. Banning won't have any affect, look at the alcohol prohibition in the US during the twenties ( I think)
4. I know I'm killing myself. So what?

We must prevent people to kill themselves and/or put them in jail!