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That is Correct Ladies and Gentlemen!

Canada has Fox News Channel now. Maybe this'll bring the other side of the world to Canada.

BTW: Bill O'Reilly just welcomed the Canadian viewers.

Somehow I don't think it'll catch on...

Somehow I don't think it'll catch on...
Maybe in Alberta.

Nova Scotia too.

You never know though. It could catch on in unexpected places.

They should have at least called it Moose News, eh?
Maybe i can start a proper parody broadcast.

What's the channel number? I need to check this thing out... :p

Don't know what the channel number is!

I watch it here in the USA but not sure about the channel in Canada's TV Markets.

Can't find it. But I don't have digital cable or satilite or any of that junk.

From what I have heard, it's in the upper range of channels...90 or 100 and something. Be sure to check it out. If you watch it along with the other news channels you will get a "fair and balanced" view of world events. You'll have more information to make informed decisions and you might actually figure out a little of what makes Americans tick.

From what I have heard, it's in the upper range of channels...90 or 100 and something. Be sure to check it out. If you watch it along with the other news channels you will get a "fair and balanced" view of world events. You'll have more information to make informed decisions and you might actually figure out a little of what makes Americans tick.

Well said Zooke!

Can't find it. But I don't have digital cable or satilite or any of that junk.

So, how many local stations can you pull in? What do you watch?

So, how many local stations can you pull in? What do you watch?
Well, I only get up to channel 60, so Fox is a no-go. As for news programming I actually read the newspaper more than I watch television news media. But when I do watch the news, I watch CBC (based in Canada) and sometimes CNN.

Well said Zooke!

Thank you! Without a well reasoned and presented view of conservatism, people come to believe everything the liberals say. They just don't realize there is another side to the coin. Drop me an email when you've got time.

We already have a right wing media monoply operating here. Canwest Global.
Do we really need more of this crap ? I think not.

Well, I only get up to channel 60, so Fox is a no-go. As for news programming I actually read the newspaper more than I watch television news media. But when I do watch the news, I watch CBC (based in Canada) and sometimes CNN.

I know CNN is notorious for liberal view broadcasting. I don't know about CBC. Go to www.foxnews.com and you can catch the high points of their news programs. I watch FOX, CNN, a little MSNBC, and the local news on Big FOX. This way I get several slants on the same stories and can make up my own mind.

PS...Yes, I'm a news junkie. Know of a 9 step program?

Thank you! Without a well reasoned and presented view of conservatism, people come to believe everything the liberals say. They just don't realize there is another side to the coin. Drop me an email when you've got time.

Will Due! Been Busy with School.

Your right though! The variety of the news you watch will make you a more rounded person. You shouldn't trust just one news source.

If you think CNN is "notoriously liberal", you'd probably think CBC is socialist or something :\

I know CNN is notorious for liberal view broadcasting. I don't know about CBC. Go to www.foxnews.com and you can catch the high points of their news programs. I watch FOX, CNN, a little MSNBC, and the local news on Big FOX. This way I get several slants on the same stories and can make up my own mind.

PS...Yes, I'm a news junkie. Know of a 9 step program?

CNN is considered Liberal in the USA ? Dude, up in Canada we see it as as right wing as you can get without the Bush administration writing the news reports...

If i want fair and balanced - I will watch CBC, though CNN or CTV are not that bad either.

My point - stick with news channals that start with "C"

I know CNN is notorious for liberal view broadcasting. I don't know about CBC. Go to www.foxnews.com and you can catch the high points of their news programs. I watch FOX, CNN, a little MSNBC, and the local news on Big FOX. This way I get several slants on the same stories and can make up my own mind.

PS...Yes, I'm a news junkie. Know of a 9 step program?

Subscribe to the Wall Street Journal?

If you think CNN is "notoriously liberal", you'd probably think CBC is socialist or something :\

Well, truth is, in America, Canada is viewed as pretty much a socialist country. CNN is bad about reporting all of the news that hurts the conservatives, but gives passing notice if any to pro-conservative stories. How many reports on CNN have you seen on the reconstruction in Iraq or interviews with Iraqis that are excited about getting to vote?

Subscribe to the Wall Street Journal?

I get it at work and check the financial news for investing purposes. Other than that.... :rolleyes:

Well, truth is, in America, Canada is viewed as pretty much a socialist country. CNN is bad about reporting all of the news that hurts the conservatives, but gives passing notice if any to pro-conservative stories. How many reports on CNN have you seen on the reconstruction in Iraq or interviews with Iraqis that are excited about getting to vote?

Hardly any whereas on Fox News, I'm constantly seeing such interviews.

Hardly any whereas on Fox News, I'm constantly seeing such interviews.

I doubt that they reported that over 80% of our military in Iraq and Afghanistan voted for Bush. Ever wonder why Kerry never visited the service people at war...other than being a coward? Because most of our folks over there didn't like him! Bush went and they loved him.

I doubt that they reported that over 80% of our military in Iraq and Afghanistan voted for Bush. Ever wonder why Kerry never visited the service people at war...other than being a coward? Because most of our folks over there didn't like him! Bush went and they loved him.
Well people like to believe they're fighting for a reason. I hardly see your point here.

Well people like to believe they're fighting for a reason. I hardly see your point here.

Have you talked to anyone returned from Iraq or Afghanistan? I live within a mile of an Air Force base. Most of my neighbors are Air Force. The ones that have been in Iraq tell about how warm and wonderful the people are, the horrible conditions when they first arrived, and all of the reconstruction going on. Almost all of them tell about how most of the people behaved like whipped dogs. But, now that they know that no one is going to drag them away in the middle of the night, they're more social, more cheerful, and they're coming up with innovative ways to make a living. Every one I have talked to says that we have a just mission over there and that the people deserve all the help we can give them.

Kerry, on the other hand, they view as a coward and a traitor to his men. He has little or no respect.

Umm...I know plenty of people in the military who can't stand bush, the problem is that Kerry didn't have any better message than "look at me I'm not bush" Thats why I ended up not voting for either of them. By the way, Fox News going to Canada happened like more than a month ago, its nothing new.

BTW as far as my personaly views on Iraq, I believe that whether going in there in the first place was a mistake or not is a moot point, now that we are there we have to stay the course and finish the job or else all that have died over there, including 2 friends of mine have all died in vain.

Cpl Monastyrsky, Ilya USMC
4th Force Service Support Group
6th Engineer Support Battalion
Headquarters & Service Company

From what I have heard, it's in the upper range of channels...90 or 100 and something. Be sure to check it out. If you watch it along with the other news channels you will get a "fair and balanced" view of world events. You'll have more information to make informed decisions and you might actually figure out a little of what makes Americans tick.

As I've said repeatedly, we're all rather pitiably aware of you jokers already through countless decades of massive saturation of our airwaves. And see what it's done to us? It's made us want more than anything to not be like you. That's interfered with our own natural development, of course - as we've spent far too long defining ourselves by what we AREN'T instead of, as most nations do, by what they ARE, but we're coping. And the last four year years of Bush have made it easier for us to to define who we are, 'cause we sure as hell aren't you.

FoxNews? Feh. Just another mouth organ for Bush and cronies. My news needs are well met by the wide variety of news sources available to me - even kneejerk, right-wing reactionary news ( except insofar as it's CANADIAN kneejerk, right-wing reactionary news, and so falls just to the left of the Democratic Party ).

If market forces truly prevail, I predict FoxNews will enjoy a bit of an initial bump in ratings, followed by a steady decline 'til it's only seen in Red Deer, Alberta. That oughtta take about 18 months.

Umm...I know plenty of people in the military who can't stand bush, the problem is that Kerry didn't have any better message than "look at me I'm not bush" Thats why I ended up not voting for either of them. By the way, Fox News going to Canada happened like more than a month ago, its nothing new.

BTW as far as my personaly views on Iraq, I believe that whether going in there in the first place was a mistake or not is a moot point, now that we are there we have to stay the course and finish the job or else all that have died over there, including 2 friends of mine have all died in vain.

Cpl Monastyrsky, Ilya USMC
4th Force Service Support Group
6th Engineer Support Battalion
Headquarters & Service Company

Have you been?

As I've said repeatedly, we're all rather pitiably aware of you jokers already through countless decades of massive saturation of our airwaves. And see what it's done to us? It's made us want more than anything to not be like you. That's interfered with our own natural development, of course - as we've spent far too long defining ourselves by what we AREN'T instead of, as most nations do, by what they ARE, but we're coping. And the last four year years of Bush have made it easier for us to to define who we are, 'cause we sure as hell aren't you.

FoxNews? Feh. Just another mouth organ for Bush and cronies. My news needs are well met by the wide variety of news sources available to me - even kneejerk, right-wing reactionary news ( except insofar as it's CANADIAN kneejerk, right-wing reactionary news, and so falls just to the left of the Democratic Party ).

If market forces truly prevail, I predict FoxNews will enjoy a bit of an initial bump in ratings, followed by a steady decline 'til it's only seen in Red Deer, Alberta. That oughtta take about 18 months.

Coming from you, I take all of that as a compliment. Thank you! and good night!

Coming from you, I take all of that as a compliment. Thank you! and good night!

My comment wasn't directed at you, it was directed at the thread.

Are you the thread?

Indeed you're not. And I'm not going anywhere, so there's no need to say goodnight. Unless it's past your bedtime, that is...

Hey, I made a thread like this a month ago! So, does anyone know its ratings in Canada?

That is Correct Ladies and Gentlemen!

Canada has Fox News Channel now. Maybe this'll bring the other side of the world to Canada.

BTW: Bill O'Reilly just welcomed the Canadian viewers.

What? Bill just welcomed Canadians....today????

That guy just can't keep up with current events can he? I mean - Fox has been broadcasting in Canada for over a month.....

My comment wasn't directed at you, it was directed at the thread.

Are you the thread?

Indeed you're not. And I'm not going anywhere, so there's no need to say goodnight. Unless it's past your bedtime, that is...

Well, since you quoted me for your response, I naturally assumed you were addressing me. And, since I have to get up in about 7 hours, it is my bedtime. So, nite all.

Hey, I made a thread like this a month ago! So, does anyone know its ratings in Canada?

http://www.nielsenmedia.ca/

click 'NMR top 20' to see weekly TV ratings for various Canadian markets in .pdf format - they appear to be updated, but not immediately. The latest ratings I saw available were for the first week of January.

I guess that's as close to the real story as you're going to get.

Well, truth is, in America, Canada is viewed as pretty much a socialist country. CNN is bad about reporting all of the news that hurts the conservatives, but gives passing notice if any to pro-conservative stories. How many reports on CNN have you seen on the reconstruction in Iraq or interviews with Iraqis that are excited about getting to vote?

1) Are they supposed to be pro-conservative at the expense of truth? If they were to provide a "pro-conservative" story on how well reconstruction is going, they might be able to show a story of Baghdad Iraqi's turning on the lights and singing/dancing, but they'd also have to omit the fact that those lights can only be turned on 12 hours per day. Given that this is going on two years since the invasion, that isn't exactly progress, nor is it something that you can be both honest about and positively spin it for the Bush administration.

Moreover, there are plenty of Iraqis ready to get out the vote, but those votes look like they are going to sweep in the most anti-American candidates possible. This isn't just a view from the "biased" CNN; it's based on the fact that there are no frappin' pro-Western candidates in the election, because being pro-Western would be both electoral and actual suicide.

Apparently, you have a liberal bias if you refuse to report that the mushroom cloud does indeed have a silver lining from your account, Zooke.

2) I'm kind of curious about this view of liberal and conservative bias as a theme generally, and perhaps you can clear it up: on the one hand, conservative commentators like Rush Limbaugh routinely deride the "liberals" for their "relativism", or their refusal to stand up for any moral values at all. However, one of the central tenets of relativism is the idea that truth is a relative notion; what is right for me is different from what is right for you because I have a fundamentally different outlook on the world.

Ah, but wait, isn't this exactly what you are saying with your attack on the "liberal media": that it has a fundamentally different outlook from your view, and your view isn't being represented with equal time or strength? If that is the case, then how exactly do you differ from those limp-wristed liberals and their effete values? It seems as if you can only have one or the other. . .or you can just throw out intellectual consistency, I suppose. Perhaps you can elaborate on this?

Well, since you quoted me for your response, I naturally assumed you were addressing me. And, since I have to get up in about 7 hours, it is my bedtime. So, nite all.

Feh, you were the one who started the thread.

Good night.

I think that FOX News will be viewed more as comedy than information up here. Seriously. I know I'd watch it just to laugh at the blatant lies they tell. That is, if my parents would shell out for anything other than basic satellite.

I just watched something on the fifth estate about the "liberal bias". From what I saw... looked alot more like a conservative bias to me.

Canadian conservatives are palatable. I find them fun, at least they have a sense of humour. Hell, my very own father is about as far to the right as anything east of Alberta - and he thinks Bush is a complete and utter moron. This from a man who served in the Canadian Forces for 20 years, and who works within easy range of North Korean artillery.

FOX News is, in my humble opinion, one of the greatest groups of hypocrisy and lies every assembled upon this planet. I think it has to rank up there with the Nazi Ministry of Propaganda and the whole Soviet information distribution scheme in its sheer abscence of anything resembling truth. I've watched enough of it to see that - it disgusts me.

I bet it'll get a decent viewing among Canadians. The ultra left Canadians on this forum may be surprised about their neighbors' beliefs.

I bet it'll get a decent viewing among Canadians. The ultra left Canadians on this forum may be surprised about their neighbors' beliefs.
No.

Do you live here? Do you work here? Do you interact with those neighbours every single day of every year of the vast majority of your life?

No.

Canadians that actually bother to watch the news watch our own, home-grown channels. They don't watch CNN. They don't watch MSNBC. And they certainly won't watch FOX.

I interact with the people who are as far right as you'll get here, and even they view FOX as stark raving mad. My father isn't the only uber-conservative (by our standards - there, he'd just be an anti-abortion Democrat) that I know.

Even Albertans aren't that conservative.

No.

Do you live here? Do you work here? Do you interact with those neighbours every single day of every year of the vast majority of your life?

No.

Canadians that actually bother to watch the news watch our own, home-grown channels. They don't watch CNN. They don't watch MSNBC. And they certainly won't watch FOX.

I interact with the people who are as far right as you'll get here, and even they view FOX as stark raving mad. My father isn't the only uber-conservative (by our standards - there, he'd just be an anti-abortion Democrat) that I know.

Even Albertans aren't that conservative.

Well, I do live on the southern shore of Lake Ontario.

It's on Channel 197 and i think 217....

well technically i think i'm just watching American Fox...but that's what it is on my TV.

Meh I'm a conservative but I can only watch 2 minutes of Fox News and then I get irritated. And actually if you go by the seats in the last federal election saskatchewan is as conservative as alberta. only mine didn't go conservative and thank god, they had the biggest idiot running for the party.......

I bet it'll get a decent viewing among Canadians. The ultra left Canadians on this forum may be surprised about their neighbors' beliefs.

You think I'm ultra-left? How cute. I fall somewhere in the middle, politically speaking.

In Canada, at least.

And my neighbours include married gay couples, single moms, Trotskyites, and nonprofit sector workers. I don't think there's very much about their beliefs that would shock me.

On the other hand, there's not a day that goes by that I don't hear of something shocking bubbling up from south of the border. I've to expect little other than shock, or occasionally dismay, from the mind-bogglingly provincial outlook emanating from what claims to be Earth's sole remaining Superpower.

Feh. Feh, I say.

Well, I do live on the southern shore of Lake Ontario.
*CLAP*

I live on the northern shore - does that mean I know everything about upstate New York? Definitely not.

If you want to talk about cities in that region where it might enjoy some popularity, try Peterborough. They elected a Conservative by a rather wide margin - they still won't be too into it.

Think of FOX News in another way, though: like Krispy Kreme. When Krispy Kreme first came to Canada, it was enormously popular. Now? Now, nobody cares at all about them. Just another American import - it'll be popular at first, then the novelty will wear off and people will forget all about it. But FOX News contains an ideological tilt to it that tends to leave the taste of ashes in my mouth, as it does with many other Canadians.

Remember: by our standards, I'm just centre-left.

I bet it'll get a decent viewing among Canadians. The ultra left Canadians on this forum may be surprised about their neighbors' beliefs.


you're right, the ultra left in canada is nieve and thats why jack layton is leading their party.

you're right, the ultra left in canada is nieve and thats why jack layton is leading their party.
So is the ultra-right. Both sides have more than their fair share of idiots. So, for that matter, do the Liberals.

you're right, the ultra left in canada is nieve and thats why jack layton is leading their party.

Give me a break, the ultra left in Canada is represented on a federal level by not one, but TWO Communist parties,

a) Communist Party of Canada (CPC),

and

b) Communist Party of Canada, Marxist-Leninist (CPC-ML)

Of course, they're both far too small to field candidates in every riding nationally, but where there are dedicated Commies you'll usually find a Communist candiate come elction time.

Jack Layton and the NDP are politically left-of-centre, but no way are they ultra left. That is the arena of the Wobbly.

The communist parties are a joke. mind you i think the ndp is too. id rather have the green party with the 20 seats. and im centre to right and im not suggesting the ultra right is even better, infact they are worse. i just really dont like the left. i heard that when the marxist-leninist part leader went on a radio station in alberta, then got chewed and spat out faster than those farmers spit out tobacco.

The communist parties are a joke. mind you i think the ndp is too. id rather have the green party with the 20 seats. and im centre to right and im not suggesting the ultra right is even better, infact they are worse. i just really dont like the left. i heard that when the marxist-leninist part leader went on a radio station in alberta, then got chewed and spat out faster than those farmers spit out tobacco.

That's pretty uncool. My late mother taught me that if I can't say anything nice, it's better not to say anything at all. Shame on those masticating the CPC-ML leader, if that's who he was. Teeth, tongue and saliva should be reserved for friends...

My comment wasn't directed at you, it was directed at the thread.

Are you the thread?

Indeed you're not. And I'm not going anywhere, so there's no need to say goodnight. Unless it's past your bedtime, that is...

She isn't but I created this thread and I echo her sentiments.

Hey, I made a thread like this a month ago! So, does anyone know its ratings in Canada?

Didn't know you did Armandian! :)

What? Bill just welcomed Canadians....today????

That guy just can't keep up with current events can he? I mean - Fox has been broadcasting in Canada for over a month.....

Unless he has done so in the Past Zeppistan. I've been to busy to watch him so this is the first I heard him welcome Canadian viewers. I am sure that he has already welcomed them before now.

Feh, you were the one who started the thread.

Good night.

It was me that started this thread Dobbs Town.

I bet it'll get a decent viewing among Canadians. The ultra left Canadians on this forum may be surprised about their neighbors' beliefs.

I actually agree with you New Anthrus.

Well, whaddaya know, you're right Corneliu. I lost track of who wrote what.

Thanks so much.

Well, whaddaya know, you're right Corneliu. I lost track of who wrote what.

Thanks so much.

Your Welcome!

If you think CNN is "notoriously liberal", you'd probably think CBC is socialist or something :\
CNN is known in conservative circles as the "Clinton News Network". Then there's C -- BS, A BS, and N BS.

CNN is known in conservative circles as the "Clinton News Network". Then there's C -- BS, A BS, and N BS.

*yawns*

I think that FOX News will be viewed more as comedy than information up here. Seriously. I know I'd watch it just to laugh at the blatant lies they tell. That is, if my parents would shell out for anything other than basic satellite.

I just watched something on the fifth estate about the "liberal bias". From what I saw... looked alot more like a conservative bias to me.

Canadian conservatives are palatable. I find them fun, at least they have a sense of humour. Hell, my very own father is about as far to the right as anything east of Alberta - and he thinks Bush is a complete and utter moron. This from a man who served in the Canadian Forces for 20 years, and who works within easy range of North Korean artillery.

FOX News is, in my humble opinion, one of the greatest groups of hypocrisy and lies every assembled upon this planet. I think it has to rank up there with the Nazi Ministry of Propaganda and the whole Soviet information distribution scheme in its sheer abscence of anything resembling truth. I've watched enough of it to see that - it disgusts me.
Careful - anytime someone descends to using the word "Nazi" in an argument, it's a sure sign they've nothing intelligent left to say.

I bet it'll get a decent viewing among Canadians. The ultra left Canadians on this forum may be surprised about their neighbors' beliefs.

Oh yes, I'm sure exporting a product of American nationalism is going to sell really well in another nation. Tell me, why would any Canadian give a rat's ass about news coverage with a pro-Neoconservative American slant? They may as well try to start a marketting gimmick for fireworks on the Fourth.

And, of course, you know that if and when they fail there, it won't be because it's propagandistic news tailored for people of a certain ideology, it'll be because those damned commie leftist Canadians can't appreciate real news!

Careful - anytime someone descends to using the word "Nazi" in an argument, it's a sure sign they've nothing intelligent left to say.

Anytime someone looks at a bit of creative writing, sees the word 'nazi' contained therein, and starts squawking, it's a sure sign that anything intelligent or witty that might have been gleaned from the offending text has been filed, briefed, debriefed, and numbered.

Welcome to the Village.

And, of course, you know that if and when they fail there, it won't be because it's propagandistic news tailored for people of a certain ideology, it'll be because those damned commie leftist Canadians can't appreciate real news!

Oh, I'm just waiting to hear that one...heh.

Careful - anytime someone descends to using the word "Nazi" in an argument, it's a sure sign they've nothing intelligent left to say.

How convenient of you to write off a valid comment in that way. Now, some of us actually can look at the Holocaust academically, and those of us who do can see that a comparison between Fox News and Hitler's state-run media is quite valid. The only difference is that Fox does it because it sells, not because of state sponsorship (then, as now, selling to xenophobic nationalism works). Of course, perhaps they are on the take, too...how many more Neocon talking heads do you think Bush & Co have on the public payroll?

Any wagers? ;)

Oh, I'm just waiting to hear that one...heh.

You know it'll happen...these are the same people who claim that they know that European news is biased to the left because they've watched the news there and see how anti-American it is. Yes, that was a paraphrased quote, care of Laura Ingraham, to give "credit" where credit is due.

Anytime someone looks at a bit of creative writing, sees the word 'nazi' contained therein, and starts squawking, it's a sure sign that anything intelligent or witty that might have been gleaned from the offending text has been filed, briefed, debriefed, and numbered.

Welcome to the Village.
Explain to me how this is "creative", or even an intelligent arguement:
"FOX News is, in my humble opinion, one of the greatest groups of hypocrisy and lies every assembled upon this planet. I think it has to rank up there with the Nazi Ministry of Propaganda and the whole Soviet information distribution scheme in its sheer abscence of anything resembling truth. I've watched enough of it to see that - it disgusts me."

No facts to back it up, name calling, etc, and tops it off with comparing it to Nazis and Soviets.

Not creative, it is a classic sign of nothing intelligent to say - some law from Usenet about using Nazi in an arguement, can't recall the name at the moment. Don't see anything intelligent or witty in the quote.

By "Village", are you referring to the recent movie, Hillary Clinton's "It Takes a Village", rural backwaters in general, or some other reference that I am not aware of?

You know it'll happen...these are the same people who claim that they know that Europe is biased to the left because they've watch the news there and see how anti-American it is. Yes, that was a paraphrased quote, care of Laura Ingraham, to give "credit" where credit is due.

Of course I know it'll happen. It's been painful as all get-out watching America collectively clamber all over each other for a berth on the USS Despotism these last four years. It's a prison ship, you see. Airtight, secure, impenetrable to any threat from within or without. And inescapable.

Just like the Village. And you're all Prisoners. I wonder how long it will take for it to really sink in. Certainly there are those among you who will never learn, but most of you, if confronted with it, will simply look away or find someting of little or consequence to latch onto and so yet again redirect your analytical powers. It's hard realizing you've been had.

Be seeing you.

How convenient of you to write off a valid comment in that way. Now, some of us actually can look at the Holocaust academically, and those of us who do can see that a comparison between Fox News and Hitler's state-run media is quite valid. The only difference is that Fox does it because it sells, not because of state sponsorship (then, as now, selling to xenophobic nationalism works). Of course, perhaps they are on the take, too...how many more Neocon talking heads do you think Bush & Co have on the public payroll?

Any wagers? ;)
I am writing off the comment because it simply makes denigrating comments without any facts to back it up. I could say CNN is the "Clinton News Network", as I did in a previous post, and it would be perfectly valid for you to write that off, as I did not support my insult with any supporting evidence. Comparing anything to Nazis or the Soviet Information ministry or some such, and not having anything to back it up, is very easy to write off.

How convenient of you to write off a valid comment in that way. Now, some of us actually can look at the Holocaust academically, and those of us who do can see that a comparison between Fox News and Hitler's state-run media is quite valid. The only difference is that Fox does it because it sells, not because of state sponsorship (then, as now, selling to xenophobic nationalism works). Of course, perhaps they are on the take, too...how many more Neocon talking heads do you think Bush & Co have on the public payroll?

Any wagers? ;)
Dan Rather was found to have spoken at a Democrat fundraiser. Polls have shown that journalists in the major network news are overwhelmingly liberals. How many more lefty talking heads do you think McCauliffe & Co have on the public payroll?

Dan Rather was found to have spoken at a Democrat fundraiser. Polls have shown that journalists in the major network news are overwhelmingly liberals. How many more lefty talking heads do you think McCauliffe & Co have on the public payroll?

An interesting question you proposed as has Anbar! How many jounalists are in the payroll of BOTH PARTIES?

Of course I know it'll happen. It's been painful as all get-out watching America collectively clamber all over each other for a berth on the USS Despotism these last four years. It's a prison ship, you see. Airtight, secure, impenetrable to any threat from within or without. And inescapable.

Just like the Village. And you're all Prisoners. I wonder how long it will take for it to really sink in. Certainly there are those among you who will never learn, but most of you, if confronted with it, will simply look away or find someting of little or consequence to latch onto and so yet again redirect your analytical powers. It's hard realizing you've been had.

Be seeing you.
The Village was started and run by a professor and a bunch of social workers - liberals all. I guess the irony was lost on you ...

An interesting question you proposed as has Anbar! How many jounalists are in the payroll of BOTH PARTIES?
Would be interesting to find out. The most recent one was actually not paid for her capacity as a journalist, as she was a respected expert in the field of marriage, and the journalism side was marginal.

Explain to me how this is "creative", or even an intelligent arguement:
"FOX News is, in my humble opinion, one of the greatest groups of hypocrisy and lies every assembled upon this planet. I think it has to rank up there with the Nazi Ministry of Propaganda and the whole Soviet information distribution scheme in its sheer abscence of anything resembling truth. I've watched enough of it to see that - it disgusts me."

No facts to back it up, name calling, etc, and tops it off with comparing it to Nazis and Soviets.

Not creative, it is a classic sign of nothing intelligent to say - some law from Usenet about using Nazi in an arguement, can't recall the name at the moment. Don't see anything intelligent or witty in the quote.

By "Village", are you referring to the recent movie, Hillary Clinton's "It Takes a Village", rural backwaters in general, or some other reference that I am not aware of?

I stand by my assertion. You're haranguing someone for writing creatively. See, he's comparing FoxNews' unofficial status as Mouth Organ for the Bush administration and the Republican party to the official Mouth Organ of Hitler's regime and the National Socialist party, as well as to unnamed Soviet propoganda organizations. That may indeed offend some people - some of those offended might even include Communists and Nazis!

I didn't say that I thought there was anything particularly insightful or outstanding about the bit of writing we're discussing, but I make note of a certain effort having been made to inject some interest into what would otherwise simply be a statement of opinion. It's flourishes like that that define 'creative writing' for me.

By 'Village', no. You obviously aren't. Not yet, maybe soon. Most likely never.

Be seeing you.

I stand by my assertion. You're haranguing someone for writing creatively. See, he's comparing FoxNews' unofficial status as Mouth Organ for the Bush administration and the Republican party to the official Mouth Organ of Hitler's regime and the National Socialist party, as well as to unnamed Soviet propoganda organizations. That may indeed offend some people - some of those offended might even include Communists and Nazis!

I didn't say that I thought there was anything particularly insightful or outstanding about the bit of writing we're discussing, but I make note of a certain effort having been made to inject some interest into what would otherwise simply be a statement of opinion. It's flourishes like that that define 'creative writing' for me.

By 'Village', no. You obviously aren't. Not yet, maybe soon. Most likely never.

Be seeing you.
So "creative writing" is name-calling that you agree with. Irrational emotionalism with no supporting evidence triumphs over logic once again. Yeehaw! :cool:

The Village was started and run by a professor and a bunch of social workers - liberals all. I guess the irony was lost on you ...

It was also run by the military-industrial complex. The news media. The government. Foreign governments. Private interests. And most importantly, it was run internally as well. I guess the irony of that was lost on you, too.

So "creative writing" is name-calling that you agree with. Irrational emotionalism with no supporting evidence triumphs over logic once again. Yeehaw! :cool:

That's just the sort of nonsensical, absolutist tripe I've come to expect from a nation of cowering Supermen. Don't think you'll pull me down with you as you slide towards Despotism. That's your own lookout. I'm right with my world; are you?

From what I hear about FOX news, it is by no means "conservative," it simply glorifies every single action taken by the current administration.

From what I hear about FOX news, it is by no means "conservative," it simply glorifies every single action taken by the current administration.

Hence, 'unofficial Mouth Organ' of the Bush administration.

Hence, 'unofficial Mouth Organ' of the Bush administration.
If that is the case, than that is, by definition propaganda. It propagates a specific cause.

That's just the sort of nonsensical, absolutist tripe I've come to expect from a nation of cowering Supermen. Don't think you'll pull me down with you as you slide towards Despotism. That's your own lookout. I'm right with my world; are you?
No more nonsensical than the original Nazi quote - and more factually based. Seems you don't have much left to say either:
"nation of cowering Supermen" - how so? What actions or behaviors have led you to believe this? If I were to respond in kind, I doubt you would appreciate it either. How am I trying to pull you down to Despotism by arguing that comparing anything to Nazis is simple name-calling, without any supporting evidence? And never said you weren't "right with your world", whatever that means.

If that is the case, than that is, by definition propaganda. It propagates a specific cause.

I think the Republican elves who post here wouldn't regard it is true until and unless FoxNews broadcasts the headline, 'Bush administration licenses FoxNews official Homeland Propaganda Outlet' sometime in the next four years.

From what I hear about FOX news, it is by no means "conservative," it simply glorifies every single action taken by the current administration.

Not accurate at all!

That's just the sort of nonsensical, absolutist tripe I've come to expect from a nation of cowering Supermen. Don't think you'll pull me down with you as you slide towards Despotism. That's your own lookout. I'm right with my world; are you?
You don't even try to argue against my point, you just throw a few insulting adjectives at it and consider that a decent response. *Sigh* Alright, let's try this again:
1. WHY is what I said "nonsensical, absolutist tripe".
2. WHAT makes USA (I assume you are referring to the USA, you might want to try to use more specifics even in your insults) a "nation of cowering Supermen".
3. HOW is the USA (I am assuming again you are referring to the USA) sliding to despotism?
4. HOW am I trying to pull you down with me? (that sound kinda sexual - referring to pulling you down to the level of despotism, not me personally, I hope ;)

Haha, well whether they like it or not, logical reasoning suggests that FOX seriously lacks credibility. I suppose they still have the right to plug their ears and yell "LALALALALA" (even in the face of reason).

Hence, 'unofficial Mouth Organ' of the Bush administration.

Spoken like a true liberal Democrat considering they are the only ones saying that. I have not heard moderate democrats saying what you just stated.

How am I trying to pull you down to Despotism by arguing that comparing anything to Nazis is simple name-calling, without any supporting evidence?

Don't worry, it's all just a dream...you won't remember any of this in an hour or two...

It's perfectly valid to compare against or allude to any governmental system wherein political power rested in the hands of a select few and the means of voicing dissent was quashed by state-mandated news providers when discussing entities such as FoxNews.

There. Happy?

I'll bet you aren't.

Be seeing you.

Not accurate at all!

Did I say 'elves'? Whaddaya know, there's a dwarf in every crowd...

Spoken like a true liberal Democrat considering they are the only ones saying that. I have not heard moderate democrats saying what you just stated.

No, spoken like someone who doesn't fit into your country's political system. Spoken like a moderate center-left Canadian. You guys think you know us, you don't. Our Tories think they can chummy up to you - but by American standards, our Conservative party is to the left of your Democrats!

You'll never understand us anymore, you know. We're beginning to speak different languages, it seems.

Don't worry, it's all just a dream...you won't remember any of this in an hour or two...

It's perfectly valid to compare against or allude to any governmental system wherein political power rested in the hands of a select few and the means of voicing dissent was quashed by state-mandated news providers when discussing entities such as FoxNews.

There. Happy?

I'll bet you aren't.

Be seeing you.
Not without supporting evidence, it's not. "The Democrats are all just a bunch of godless, babykilling communists, no better than Stalin and his regime." Is that creative to you? Probably not, because you probably violently disagree with this statement. But the same sort of statement comparing Fox News doesn't seem to bother you at all.

And you've said "Be seeing you" at least three times already. ;)

Did I say 'elves'? Whaddaya know, there's a dwarf in every crowd...
Your prose is astonishing! What amazing creativity! And what logic! :rolleyes:

Not without supporting evidence, it's not. "The Democrats are all just a bunch of godless, babykilling communists, no better than Stalin and his regime." Is that creative to you? Probably not, because you probably violently disagree with this statement. But the same sort of statement comparing Fox News doesn't seem to bother you at all.

And you've said "Be seeing you" at least three times already. ;)

That's what you say in the Village. When dismissing people.

You're from Texas, right?

Your prose is astonishing! What amazing creativity! And what logic! :rolleyes:

...I never promised you a prose garden...

I think the "factual evidence" you're looking for is right in Dobbs Town's post. He's simply pointing out that Canadians won't take a liking to FOX because our Conservative Party in Canada still supports welfare, public healthcare, and a wide variety of policies that simply don't match up with American conservatism. I don't believe he was the one making comparisons to the Nazis.

Did I say 'elves'? Whaddaya know, there's a dwarf in every crowd...
And I thought conservatives/Republicans were supposed to be the haters that use such "hate-speech" - how politically incorrect of you - what if I really was a dwarf? You are not being a good little liberal, talking like this ... :rolleyes:

the point i was trying to make was that by clobbering someone for alluding to the nazi party, or an organ thereof, you're allowing yourself to not see the forest for the trees.

is that digestible, my little nest of vipers? shall i cut it into even smaller bite-sized morsels for you?

I think the "factual evidence" you're looking for is right in Dobbs Town's post. He's simply pointing out that Canadians won't take a liking to FOX because our Conservative Party in Canada still supports welfare, public healthcare, and a wide variety of policies that simply don't match up with American conservatism. I don't believe he was the one making comparisons to the Nazis.
But the point we are arguing is that is it valid to compare something to the Nazis, without any evidence to back it up? He did not make the original post. I commented on how often when one has nothing intelligent left to say, they start name calling and calling them Nazis, and he is arguing that it is simply creative writing. You, at least, are trying to make an intelligible argument, while all he can seem to do is hurl insults.

...I never promised you a prose garden...
Very punny!! ;)

But the point we are arguing is that is it valid to compare something to the Nazis, without any evidence to back it up? He did not make the original post. I commented on how often when one has nothing intelligent left to say, they start name calling and calling them Nazis, and he is arguing that it is simply creative writing. You, at least, are trying to make an intelligible argument, while all he can seem to do is hurl insults.
Well to be frank, I find you rather irritable, so I can understand why someone would be insulting :p

Back to the topic at hand:

I promise not to watch FOX "news" under any circumstances. I'm quite fine with the CBC and the BBC, thanks.

Likewise, I don't watch CNN.

the point i was trying to make was that by clobbering someone for alluding to the nazi party, or an organ thereof, you're allowing yourself to not see the forest for the trees.

is that digestible, my little nest of vipers? shall i cut it into even smaller bite-sized morsels for you?
Have you read ANY of my posts? I have not once said it was, without exception, wrong for the poster to allude to the Nazi party. I have repeatedly said it is wrong to do so without ANY SUPPORTING ARGUMENTS OR EVIDENCE!

It is about time that Canada has a news channel that is fair and balanced such as fox news. Finally it can see how the liberal way has been destroying thier nation. Now true politicians such as Sean Hannity, and Bill O'Reilly can be shown not only to the U.S. but also with a nation that looks up to us for many of things, Canada.

And I thought conservatives/Republicans were supposed to be the haters that use such "hate-speech" - how politically incorrect of you - what if I really was a dwarf? You are not being a good little liberal, talking like this ... :rolleyes:

"Elves" - derivation: response to Republican reference 'donks', slang term for Democrats (symbol: donkey). Republican symbol is elephant, hence "Eleph" "Elf" "Elves". Call it populist tit-for-tat.

"Dwarf" referenced by Lord of The Rings, "Elves" and seemingly gruff response by original poster, not unlike Gimli.

Happier now? It's yummy, open wide now...

Well to be frank, I find you rather irritable, so I can understand why someone would be insulting :p
Yes, logic is always irritable to those who can't argue intelligently themselves ... yourself excluded, of course. :rolleyes:

"Elves" - derivation: response to Republican reference 'donks', slang term for Democrats (symbol: donkey). Republican symbol is elephant, hence "Eleph" "Elf" "Elves". Call it populist tit-for-tat.

"Dwarf" referenced by Lord of The Rings, "Elves" and seemingly gruff response by original poster, not unlike Gimli.

Happier now? It's yummy, open wide now...
How do these definitions make them any less name-calling? And keep that thing to yourself, please! I'm not that kind of guy ... :D

You're from Texas, right?
Yes. And your point is ...?

Yes, logic is always irritable to those who can't argue intelligently themselves ... yourself excluded, of course. :rolleyes:
You're just playing on the fact that no concrete evidence can be provided to support the fact that FOX resembles propaganda. One person sees facts, another sees fiction. Nobody can know for ABSOLUTE SURE what is happening in Iraq, or any other part of the world, that's impossible. So I have every right to say FOX is bending truths to glorify Bush, and you can kick and scream and argue otherwise--but neither side can provide factual evidence. Unless you can provide a first-hand account of what happens around the world, you cannot prove FOX provides "fair and balanced" news.

Have you read ANY of my posts? I have not once said it was, without exception, wrong for the poster to allude to the Nazi party. I have repeatedly said it is wrong to do so without ANY SUPPORTING ARGUMENTS OR EVIDENCE!

Take a chill pill dude.

You're so hung up on this guy's post, you find a supporting argument or evidence. Besides, even if I went to the trouble of digging either of them up, what'd be the point? Even our own moderate right-wingers are the type to disregard such evidence (what I like to call conservative naivete), so what are the odds an extreme right-winger like you (and I call you that more as you'd fit in with our political spectrum, not as a term of abuse) would so much as skim the header before saying it's all a malicious frame-up to make UbergruppenPresident Bush look bad?

Thanks but no.

Yes. And your point is ...?

I knew it. By the bleeding head of Arnold Palmer, it's true!

Stang was right! He was RIGHT!

aieeeeee!

Back to the topic at hand:

I promise not to watch FOX "news" under any circumstances. I'm quite fine with the CBC and the BBC, thanks.

Likewise, I don't watch CNN.
BBC is about as far left as you can get on the news. For election night coverage, they had as their guests Michael Moore, and just to balance it out, Madeleine Albright - the former Clinton SecState.
I watch FoxNews, sometimes MSNBC. I listen to NPR just about every day. And I check out the network news two or three times a week. I am on the Democrat email list, also from Townhall (a site with conservative columns). I try to get as broad a perspective as possible.

Take a chill pill dude.

You're so hung up on this guy's post, you find a supporting argument or evidence. Besides, even if I went to the trouble of digging either of them up, what'd be the point? Even our own moderate right-wingers are the type to disregard such evidence (what I like to call conservative naivete), so what are the odds an extreme right-winger like you (and I call you that more as you'd fit in with our political spectrum, not as a term of abuse) would so much as skim the header before saying it's all a malicious frame-up to make UbergruppenPresident Bush look bad?

Thanks but no.
I'm not the one that made the statement! I'm not hung up on it, just made an observation that it was simply insulting and contributed nothing to the debate, as it had no supporting evidence. You have tried to argue that it was simply creative writing, but have failed to prove your point.

I knew it. By the bleeding head of Arnold Palmer, it's true!

Stang was right! He was RIGHT!

aieeeeee!
And this proves what? :rolleyes:

I'm not the one that made the statement! I'm not hung up on it, just made an observation that it was simply insulting and contributed nothing to the debate, as it had no supporting evidence. You have tried to argue that it was simply creative writing, but have failed to prove your point.

No I haven't failed to prove that it was creative writing. Haven't YOU read any of MY posts?

And this proves what? :rolleyes:

Well for starters, for someone who claims to be well-informed, there seems to be an awful lot that you don't seem to know an awful lot about, and Stang was another Texan, one with a radio show... He once talked about Texans. Interestingly, he was right!

I bet it'll get a decent viewing among Canadians.

Ya, just like what I said a month ago concerning this subject. It will do well in Canada, because we like our entertainment. Also we like to see American's especially FOX's complete ignorance of Canada. That is why we had a popular show called talking to Americans where a Canadian comedian named Rick Mercer would go down and talk to mostly ordinary Americans about important news issues in Canada like the overpopulation of seals in Saskatchewan. We get our kicks this way out of Americans and Fox has shown some of that ignorance of Canada which we love, or certainly I do.

If you are watching FOX NEWS make sure you have popcorn and a soft drink.

now canada has to deal with those morons too? maybe i'll have to reconsider moving to canada. :(

No I haven't failed to prove that it was creative writing. Haven't YOU read any of MY posts?
Yes, I have read them, and as near as I can tell, you define creative writing as any statement including inflammatory rhetoric that you agree with. If that is your definition, then you win.

Yes, I have read them, and as near as I can tell, you define creative writing as any statement including inflammatory rhetoric that you agree with. If that is your definition, then you win.

Hey Selgin, define creativity (and no googling).

Well for starters, for someone who claims to be well-informed, there seems to be an awful lot that you don't seem to know an awful lot about, and Stang was another Texan, one with a radio show... He once talked about Texans. Interestingly, he was right!
Quote me one of my posts where I state that I am "well-informed". I am knowledgeable in some subjects, less knowledgeable in others. For someone who seems to think he is well-informed on anything and everything, you sure don't read the fine print very well.

Hey Selgin, define creativity (and no googling).
You define it. You are the one who defined the content of the poster comparing FoxNews to Nazis as creative. From what I gather, your definition is just what I said in the previous post.

Quote me one of my posts where I state that I am "well-informed". I am knowledgeable in some subjects, less knowledgeable in others. For someone who seems to think he is well-informed on anything and everything, you sure don't read the fine print very well.
For someone who claims to be well informed, you sure don't seem to grasp the concept of "inflamitory rhetoric" very well. This here is a good example of it. Besides, while you demand factual evidence supporting any "liberal" claim, you cannot hold the burden of proof yourself. Give me "factual evidence" that states FOX News provides "fair and balanced" news.

For someone who claims to be well informed, you sure don't seem to grasp the concept of "inflamitory rhetoric" very well. This here is a good example of it. Besides, while you demand factual evidence supporting any "liberal" claim, you cannot hold the burden of proof yourself. Give me "factual evidence" that states FOX News provides "fair and balanced" news.
I have not claimed in any of my previous posts that FoxNews does provide "fair and balanced" news. I am not, and have not in this entire thread, argued that point. Not saying I couldn't, just not interested in it right now. I simply wish that debate could occur without name-calling, or, at least, if name-calling is used, some sort of supporting evidence is provided.

Quote me one of my posts where I state that I am "well-informed".

As you request, o commander of the Djinn:

*poof*

I watch FoxNews, sometimes MSNBC. I listen to NPR just about every day. And I check out the network news two or three times a week. I am on the Democrat email list, also from Townhall (a site with conservative columns). I try to get as broad a perspective as possible.

Well, you did say 'as broad a perspective as possible'. Close enough for jazz. Oh, except you're Texan. Then it's obviously a total distortion. I understand Texas has the finest marching bands in all the USA.

I am knowledgeable in some subjects, less knowledgeable in others. For someone who seems to think he is well-informed on anything and everything, you sure don't read the fine print very well.


*yawns*

blah blah blah. Show me where I've said that and I'll quit making pop cultural references that you don't get.

EDIT: (adding the quote I was refuting)
if name-calling is used, some sort of supporting evidence is provided.

Oh please, you want name calling to be based on factual evidence? "I think you're an asshole. I have used deductive reasoning to conclude that you are an asshole; as a human you certainly own one, and your posts suggest that you constantly talk through it."

This (of course) is just an example of insult based on "fact" or "logic". It by no means applies to you. :fluffle:

lol

I just took another look at the title of this thread - it's like a psychosexual thing...always a need to penetrate, to exploit...

lol

I feel violated by that title.

yes, but i dont have digital cable anyway. FoxNews isn't going to make me get it, either. Especially not to have to pay for the privilege of being lied to.

Well, you did say 'as broad a perspective as possible'.

Exact quote: "I try to get as broad a perspective as possible."
That is nowhere near stating "I am well-informed on a wide variety of topics." If you look at the news sources I referred to in that post, do you see any that you think I might glean a lot of pop references from? Have I claimed to have a broad knowledge of pop culture?

By the way, you still have not answered any of my questions in post 83.

As you request, o commander of the Djinn:

That's Lord High Emperor of the Djinn, thank you. Infidel! :p

are they actually meeting canadian content requirements like the law says?

if not, fuck off, they shouldn't be permitted to broadcast here.

I feel violated by that title.
hahahahahahaha!

Exact quote: "I try to get as broad a perspective as possible."
That is nowhere near stating "I am well-informed on a wide variety of topics." If you look at the news sources I referred to in that post, do you see any that you think I might glean a lot of pop references from? Have I claimed to have a broad knowledge of pop culture?

By the way, you still have not answered any of my questions in post 83.

Would you stop being so Texan for five minutes? It's getting old fast. Always fussing, always fiddling and fidgeting everything to pieces. I hardly feel moved to look at 'post 83', now.

EDIT: (adding the quote I was refuting)


Oh please, you want name calling to be based on factual evidence? "I think you're an asshole. I have used deductive reasoning to conclude that you are an asshole; as a human you certainly own one, and your posts suggest that you constantly talk through it."

This (of course) is just an example of insult based on "fact" or "logic". It by no means applies to you. :fluffle:
Finally! Someone recognizes the statement for what it is! Name-calling! That's what I have been arguing with Dobbs about - he says it is simply creative writing, and I should not have commented negatively about it because of it being creative writing. I was simply stating that when you start name-calling, it just means that you haven't yet come up with a valid refutation or logical point of your own.

Would you stop being so Texan for five minutes? It's getting old fast. Always fussing, always fiddling and fidgeting everything to pieces. I hardly feel moved to look at 'post 83', now.
Not that you would stereotype - another fallacy of logic.
Anyway, I thought us Texans were viewed as ignorant hicks, hardly capable of comprehending any complex thought greater than our guns and our pickups.

I think its perfectly valid to compare FoxNews, in its' unofficial capacity as Mouth Organ for The Bush administration, with the official propaganda outlets of repressive 20th century regimes, such as the Nazis or the Soviets.

Not that you would stereotype - another fallacy of logic.
Anyway, I thought us Texans were viewed as ignorant hicks, hardly capable of comprehending any complex thought greater than our guns and our pickups.

Not the Texans I've met. Online or in person. Anyway, what's logic got to do with it? I'm not logical. I'm intuitive. It's infuriating trying to deal with linear thinkers. I think laterally.

I think its perfectly valid to compare FoxNews, in its' unofficial capacity as Mouth Organ for The Bush administration, with the official propaganda outlets of repressive 20th century regimes, such as the Nazis or the Soviets.
Perfectly valid to say that, but not valid as a debating point. Comparing to the Nazis just to be insulting just diminishes any convincing logic the poster might have used to convince anyone otherwise. Comparing to the Nazis and doing a point-by-point comparison - something like "The Nazi regime paid journalists to promote their political views, the Bush administration paid Fox News to do the same", would at least be arguable. Saying that FoxNews is just the Mouth Organ of the Bush administration, just like the repressive Nazi regime", simply inspires either ignoring of the statement, or flaming back.

I believe I speak for the majority of Canadians when I say:

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, Eh?

Not the Texans I've met. Online or in person. Anyway, what's logic got to do with it? I'm not logical. I'm intuitive. It's infuriating trying to deal with linear thinkers. I think laterally.
That may explain why we (both?) seem to be completely missing the other's points? It probably would not surprise you to know that I am a computer programmer (COBOL). I would guess you work or participate in some sort of creative enterprises.

It's so long ago now...but the reference to the nazi propaganda outlets wasn't made as a point of debate, it was a colourful, and I maintain, appropriate, comparison given the overall thrust of his original post.

It's so long ago now...but the reference to the nazi propaganda outlets wasn't made as a point of debate, it was a colourful, and I maintain, appropriate, comparison given the overall thrust of his original post.
I respectfully disagree (obviously), but I respect your opinion as well. Wish you would have said that an hour ago! I need some sleep!

That may explain why we (both?) seem to be completely missing the other's points? It probably would not surprise you to know that I am a computer programmer (COBOL). I would guess you work or participate in some sort of creative enterprises.

Well, you're doing your utmost to fill the stereotype of Texans as I've known them, Selgin. You would guess correctly. And before, when I mentioned the Djinn? I was inferring that I was the Djinn.

It's obvious that there's probably very little common ground between us. Maybe it'd be for the best if we just stopped trying to communicate further on this point. Otherwise I think this will just prove enervating and fruitless in the end.

Well, you're doing your utmost to fill the stereotype of Texans as I've known them, Selgin. You would guess correctly. And before, when I mentioned the Djinn? I was inferring that I was the Djinn.

It's obvious that there's probably very little common ground between us. Maybe it'd be for the best if we just stopped trying to communicate further on this point. Otherwise I think this will just prove enervating and fruitless in the end.
Agreed. However, I am interested in what your version of the typical Texan is. Most blue-staters, as I understand it, view Texans as ignorant, backwater hicks, only interested in guns, the death penalty, and oil. Is your picture somewhat different?

I am writing off the comment because it simply makes denigrating comments without any facts to back it up. I could say CNN is the "Clinton News Network", as I did in a previous post, and it would be perfectly valid for you to write that off, as I did not support my insult with any supporting evidence. Comparing anything to Nazis or the Soviet Information ministry or some such, and not having anything to back it up, is very easy to write off.

In light of there being no argument there, alright, I can see your point.

Dan Rather was found to have spoken at a Democrat fundraiser. Polls have shown that journalists in the major network news are overwhelmingly liberals. How many more lefty talking heads do you think McCauliffe & Co have on the public payroll?

1) Great, anchors and reporters. Now, let's talk about editors and management - you know, the ones who make the decisions, and who have been found to lean decidedly to the right.
2) McCauliffe...head of the DNC, who as far as I'm aware has not been outed as having paid off any pundits to push the party's agenda, much less with taxpayer money. Perhaps I missed a story somewhere, but that seems to be 0 to 2 against Bush, whose administration has been found to have paid pundits with tax dollars to endorse his education and "family values" agenda (one cause each).

An interesting question you proposed as has Anbar! How many jounalists are in the payroll of BOTH PARTIES?

Would that we could lay bare the machinations of both sides, the nation would be saved.

Best exemplified by the statement, "Don't you just love Texans? They're like a monkey humpin' a football. They're not happy with something until they've taken it apart and put it back together but they break it and ruin things for everybody else, and they're loud, loud, LOUD!" delivered grinningly, of course.

Computer and high-tech industry workers...button-down, linear minds...inflexibility, a sense of loss where change is concerned. Exaggerated sense of self, not necessarily harmful, but to be monitored occasionally.

More or less covers it. I've never met any 'rustic' Texans. Have you?

In light of there being no argument there, alright, I can see your point.



1) Great, anchors and reporters. Now, let's talk about editors and management - you know, the ones who make the decisions, and who have been found to lean decidedly to the right.
2) McCauliffe...head of the DNC, who as far as I'm aware has not been outed as having paid off any pundits to push the party's agenda, much less with taxpayer money. Perhaps I missed a story somewhere, but that seems to be 0 to 2 against Bush, whose administration has been found to have paid pundits with tax dollars to endorse his education and "family values" agenda (one cause each). Somehow, I think my comment, backed with actual cases, stands up against yours with none.

Is this where I write you off?
Nope. Dan Rather's producer called Kerry's campaign manager, telling him about the documents and story regarding Bush's National Guard Service. And is still on the job after running the story based on false documents, unlike Armstrong Williams.

As to the management, I find it hard to believe they have much to do with the day-to-day decisions of what stories to run, etc. Dan Rather ran the CBS newsroom - are you trying to tell me he ran to upper management about every story he wanted to run? Can you seriously say that CBS, ABC, and NBC have no liberal bias whatsoever.

Why do you have to be so combative, with the "write you off" comment?

Would be interesting to find out. The most recent one was actually not paid for her capacity as a journalist, as she was a respected expert in the field of marriage, and the journalism side was marginal.

Paying experts, paying journalists...it's all dirty business, I see little difference. To argue, though, a expert with influence in journalism? How is purchasing that under the table any less shady than just a journalist?

Best exemplified by the statement, "Don't you just love Texans? They're like a monkey humpin' a football. They're not happy with something until they've taken it apart and put it back together but they break it and ruin things for everybody else, and they're loud, loud, LOUD!" delivered grinningly, of course.

Computer and high-tech industry workers...button-down, linear minds...inflexibility, a sense of loss where change is concerned. Exaggerated sense of self, not necessarily harmful, but to be monitored occasionally.

More or less covers it. I've never met any 'rustic' Texans. Have you?
Quite a few. My stepfather owns a horse ranch out in Coldspring, TX. My mother and sister both live there.

As to the linear minds, I am for the most part a linear thinker, but I indulge my creative side as well. My Bachelor's degree is actually in Music, Voice Performance. To make a little extra money, I sing on a contract basis with the Houston Grand Opera Chorus. Just had a performance tonight of Verdi's Il Trovatore.

Paying experts, paying journalists...it's all dirty business, I see little difference. To argue, though, a expert with influence in journalism? How is purchasing that under the table any less shady than just a journalist?
She wasn't paid for writing articles. She was paid for giving seminars for low-level politicians in DC regarding the Bush administration's policies towards marriage.

She wasn't paid for writing articles. She was paid for giving seminars for low-level politicians in DC regarding the Bush administration's policies towards marriage.

That sounds rather sordid. Couldn't they have circulated a memo?

Somehow I don't think it'll catch on...

Somehow, I don't either. I wonder why? (http://mediamatters.org/static/video/cc-200412010011.wmv)

That sounds rather sordid. Couldn't they have circulated a memo?
It is sordid. And very unethical journalism. And probably just the tip of the iceberg for both sides.

Somehow, I don't either. I wonder why? (http://mediamatters.org/static/video/cc-200412010011.wmv)

This is absolutely hilarious! Doesnt necessarily reflect the views of Fox, but I wouldnt be suprised if it did. I doubt it will go down well with the Canadians though.

Nope. Dan Rather's producer called Kerry's campaign manager, telling him about the documents and story regarding Bush's National Guard Service. And is still on the job after running the story based on false documents, unlike Armstrong Williams.

As to the management, I find it hard to believe they have much to do with the day-to-day decisions of what stories to run, etc. Dan Rather ran the CBS newsroom - are you trying to tell me he ran to upper management about every story he wanted to run? Can you seriously say that CBS, ABC, and NBC have no liberal bias whatsoever.

Why do you have to be so combative, with the "write you off" comment?

Actually, I added that comment to point out that you were casting guilt on various persons without backing it up...and since you'd justified writing off DT for making an unsubstantiated claim, I felt it only appropriate to point that out. That line lasted about 5 minutes...then I deleted it because it sounded too hostile. How you managed to quote it 5 pages later is beyond me, but check again, it's been gone for some time, for the very reason you mention.

I don't really regard the CBS story as much, quite frankly. It's a tangle of who-said-what-to-whom, easily written off as a few people who got too wrapped up in a story they wanted to see run. CBS did their purgings, and as far as the substance of the report goes, it was "case closed" when the dead man's secretary came on and said that the content was true but the documents may be false. So what happened? Who cares? I'll call your bluff of one sloppily researched story (let's not get into the theory that Rove planted it) and raise you a study which shows that Fox News viewers are ridiculously misinformed compared to viewers of other news channels:

http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/special_packages/iraq/6918170.htm

And coming in second on for most misinformed viewers, as far as the three decidedly pro-Bush beliefs go, is CBS. Now, how does that follow with the accusations of liberal bias? Those misperceptions work in Bush's favor.

If you want to believe that editors and other managers have no influence in the newsroom, well, that's your business. I find it interesting that you can't make the point without mentioning Dan Rather, though. I seem to recall that CBS than what he presides overt. I seem to recall that Rather has no sway over those other networks. Finally, I seem to recall that, despite what the talking heads say, the only credible study which has ever found news bias is the one I cited above.

Somehow, I don't either. I wonder why? (http://mediamatters.org/static/video/cc-200412010011.wmv)

I really don't want to get into another "Why I think Ann Coulter's brain ought to be fed to fire ants for the good of the nation" rants; so I'll just say, god I f-cking hate the tw-t.

Somehow, I don't either. I wonder why? (http://mediamatters.org/static/video/cc-200412010011.wmv)

WTF?

THIS IS BULLSHIT.

FUCK ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING I SAID. FUCK FOXNEWS. FUCK THAT BITCH COULTER.

THAT'S FAIR AND BALANCED? ARROGANT OPINION AND SMUG SELF-SATISFACTION IS MORE LIKE IT. I'M NOT USUALLY ONE FOR ALLCAPS, BUT YEAH, I'M YELLING THIS.

TAKE FOXNEWS AND SHOVE IT. HARD. THIS CANUCK ISN'T PAYING FOR THE PRIVILEGE OF BEING BELITTLED BY SOME EMACIATED DYEJOB.

Ann Coulter has a really nice grasp of language considering her apparent intelligence o.o

Hey, you should still look at Fox every now and then when the arrogant airbags arent on. They occasionally have pretty fun stories. It is entertainment in news, sometimes downright satarical (eg Coulter.)


EDIT: I like the way the Canadian and the Idiot try to psychoanalyze each other.

No, spoken like someone who doesn't fit into your country's political system. Spoken like a moderate center-left Canadian. You guys think you know us, you don't. Our Tories think they can chummy up to you - but by American standards, our Conservative party is to the left of your Democrats!

Ahh Canadian. That is even better. Fine let me rephrase it then. Spoken like a true Liberal Canadian that has no compunction to hear the other side of the story because it doesn't fit your political view points.

You'll never understand us anymore, you know. We're beginning to speak different languages, it seems.

Just like you'll never understand Americans.

Back to the topic at hand:

I promise not to watch FOX "news" under any circumstances. I'm quite fine with the CBC and the BBC, thanks.

Likewise, I don't watch CNN.

Aww Good. At least your equal opportunity! LOL!!!!

lol

I just took another look at the title of this thread - it's like a psychosexual thing...always a need to penetrate, to exploit...

lol

Dobbs Town. I call that out of line!

I think its perfectly valid to compare FoxNews, in its' unofficial capacity as Mouth Organ for The Bush administration, with the official propaganda outlets of repressive 20th century regimes, such as the Nazis or the Soviets.

NOw what is your proof?

You don't have any proof of this statement and you know it.

It's so long ago now...but the reference to the nazi propaganda outlets wasn't made as a point of debate, it was a colourful, and I maintain, appropriate, comparison given the overall thrust of his original post.

You may think it is appropriate but you haven't provided proof to back it up.

Would that we could lay bare the machinations of both sides, the nation would be saved.

I actually agree with this.

I dont think even Fox takes Coulter seriously.

That videoclip is very funny. It also looks strangly profitable.

She wasn't paid for writing articles. She was paid for giving seminars for low-level politicians in DC regarding the Bush administration's policies towards marriage.

With an Invoice to prove it too!

Ann Coulter has a really nice grasp of language considering her apparent intelligence o.o

Hey, you should still look at Fox every now and then when the arrogant airbags arent on. They occasionally have pretty fun stories. It is entertainment in news, sometimes downright satarical (eg Coulter.)


EDIT: I like the way the Canadian and the Idiot try to psychoanalyze each other.

There are time where I turn off Fox News and that is when Ann Coulter is on and a few other people from both sides of the aisle.

There are time where I turn off Fox News and that is when Ann Coulter is on and a few other people from both sides of the aisle.

I find that it is like a bonus screening of The Daily Show (except that, unlike the daily show, it is actually funny,) and keep it on if something else like "Yes, Prime Minister," Fraiser, Keeping up Appearances, or The Red Green Show is on. It is quite a suitable replacement.