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With Iraq never haveing a democracy in history (or at least on recently), how can the people all the sudden grow accustomed to a democracy. Turkey is probably the only country with anything close to a democracy among arabic countries (besides Afghanistan which is very new). Could the people willingly or unwillingly turn to a dictatorship once US troops move out?

Personally I think that it can become a democrcy and that it is just a select few, mostly not even Iraqi's who are causing all the problems over there.

Oppinions please...
dont make fun of my grammar

With Iraq never haveing a democracy in history (or at least on recently), how can the people all the sudden grow accustomed to a democracy. Turkey is probably the only country with anything close to a democracy among arabic countries (besides Afghanistan which is very new). Could the people willingly or unwillingly turn to a dictatorship once US troops move out?

Personally I think that it can become a democrcy and that it is just a select few, mostly not even Iraqi's who are causing all the problems over there.

Oppinions please...
dont make fun of my grammar

I agree with this. For those of us who have known nothing but freedom, it is virtually impossible to understand the bone-deep longing of those who have never been free.

Long answer: If the people truly want democracy, they will take it upon THEMSELVES to carve out a society where voting is widespread, and the people will be safe.

Short answer: No.

It could happen. Over time.

The elections mean nothing for the current problem.
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Those that oppose us, will scream it's a puppet goverment.
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The shrub will then say "They voted for their goverment and now we have these anti-democratic forces trying to crush a fledgling democratic state. We must help, etc., etc.,"

We aren't leaving Iraq for a couple years.....

I believe it is possible for Iraq to become a democracy, however I feel that as soon as the US led forces withdraw (eventually) from Iraq the Country will be plunged into Civil War. After this, and only after, will the Country settle down and become...whatever it becomes (theocracy, dictatorship or democracy) but as long as the Iraqis feel that the US is forcing democracy upon them they will never accept it to its fullest degree. IMHO.

I believe it is possible for Iraq to become a democracy, however I feel that as soon as the US led forces withdraw (eventually) from Iraq the Country will be plunged into Civil War. After this, and only after, will the Country settle down and become...whatever it becomes (theocracy, dictatorship or democracy) but as long as the Iraqis feel that the US is forcing democracy upon them they will never accept it to its fullest degree. IMHO.

Ive actually heard a theory that if stuff keeps looking shitty in Iraq and looks like democracy isnt working out or that the new government isnt strict enough and terror camps open up, that the US could declare the Kurdish areas of Iraq up near Turkey its own sovereign nation and launch attacks again from there. Because the Kurds are actually not involved with the bombings or anyhting at all and it is actually quite peaceful there now.

Oppinions please...
dont make fun of my grammar
Well just 'cause you said that... for the most part there isn't actually much wrong and most of it can be attributed to typing errors but hey it is more fun ti tease ya. :D

Well just 'cause you said that... for the most part there isn't actually much wrong and most of it can be attributed to typing errors but hey it is more fun ti tease ya. :D

Oh, thanks i think

I have a belief that democracy comes naturally to most humans. That doesn't exactly mean a liberal democracy, for remember, as autocratic as they are, Vladimir Putin and Hugo Chavez are both elected. However, democracy mixed with constitutionalism is a potent mix, and the latter is what Iraq is developing.

Ive actually heard a theory that if stuff keeps looking shitty in Iraq and looks like democracy isnt working out or that the new government isnt strict enough and terror camps open up, that the US could declare the Kurdish areas of Iraq up near Turkey its own sovereign nation and launch attacks again from there. Because the Kurds are actually not involved with the bombings or anyhting at all and it is actually quite peaceful there now.

To be honest, even that is debateable. The two main Kurdish political groups (PUK and KDR) have been after each other for years - sometimes even going so far as to rat out each other to Saddam in order to gain an edge. The violence between them has never fully abated. Indeed, a few of the recent bombings attributed to that nebulous entity called "the insurgents" were targetted directly at each other's leadership groups.

It would not suprise me in the least if at least some of those were not continuations of the bloody rivalry between them.

Democracy will never be possible in Iraq for a long long time. America seems to think that installing a democratic system of government will fix the country. Iraq has never had a democracy, how can you think it's people would accept a form of government thats jammed down thier throats by their "liberators". As soon as American forces pull out of Iraq (assuming they do) the government will be overthrown and another dictator will take over, only he will hate America with a passion.